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Dallas writer: Seguin’s partying ways won’t mean much if he plays well

Aug 12, 2013, 11:40 PM EDT

Tyler Seguin

This hasn’t necessarily been an ideal summer for Tyler Seguin, at least when it comes to the public’s perception of him.

Seguin has been labelled as a young player who likes to party, perhaps too much and to his and his team’s detriment. (Read all about it here, here, here and here)

The Boston Bruins, after finishing as the runner-up in the 2013 Stanley Cup Final, traded Seguin to the Dallas Stars, and even then the controversy into his wild ways didn’t subside.

A Twitter scandal in which Seguin maintained his account had been hacked, resulting in a tweet with homophobic language hitting the social media site.

So, it’s been a rough go these past few months.

But perhaps things will turn around in Dallas, regardless of whether or not Seguin gives up his ways. And if he hasn’t, he can always look to past members of the Stars who found a way to balance an active social life with their best results in the professional realm.

Below is a snippet of what Dallas Morning News sports reporter Mike Heika wrote about Seguin. (Read the full version here)

Had the Bruins won it all, the parties would have been excused, the Twitter foibles pushed aside, and the tales of playoff distraction buried.

But, the Bruins lost, and now there needs to be a reason why. That’s how this entertainment business works.

But it can also work in your favor if you play well and win. The 1999 Stars had plenty of wildmen. They were seen as charming. Heck, Brett Hull and Ed Belfour became fan favorites because they could party and still show up and play their best. That’s how they did it in the old days.

  1. pensman29 - Aug 12, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Ya, and in the old days people didn’t train all year round. I mean seguin could pull his head out of his ass and turn into sober Patrick Kane but the partying (if true) might catch up to him before then.

    • bruinspaw - Aug 13, 2013 at 5:56 AM

      Was it not only last off season that Patrick Kane was accused of strangling a women and other misdemeanours…… as the reporter said if the bruins had won it all it wouldn’t matter how much he partied just like Patrick Kane.

      I really think he can bounce back one bad season does not make him a lost cause and I do believe his partying was blown out of proportion as an excuse for trading a 21 year old with high potential.

    • ravenscaps48 - Aug 13, 2013 at 8:41 AM

      He and Johnny Manziel should buy a house in Texas and just have mad drunken orgies….. Or did that already happen? You never know with those two

  2. bigbadbruins77 - Aug 13, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    He’s really good at hitting the goalies logo…

  3. pastabelly - Aug 13, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    His game was the problem, not the partying. He needs to put on some weight and learn how to play a more physical game.

    • tdrusher225 - Aug 13, 2013 at 9:41 AM

      He needs to take note of how David Krejci plays the game. The guy is barely 170 lbs, but he never shies away from contact and is constantly finding ways to win puck battles. Seguin’s got the physical tools, he just has to figure out how to use them.

      • pastabelly - Aug 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM

        Krejci is 6 feet and 188 pounds and is also one of the most skilled players in the NHL. I would argue that he has way more in his tool chest than Seguin. I wouldn’t suggest that David Krejci is not an effort guy (although he seems to lose interest for stretches during the regular season and there were trade rumors surrounding him last year at this time too). However, Krejci can get by on his skills more easily than Seguin can.

      • tdrusher225 - Aug 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM

        I love Krejci, but Seguin was by far the most gifted player the Bruins have had for the past couple years. He wasn’t picked #2 overall for nothing. Krejci’s skill level isn’t what makes him so good and his “tool chest” isn’t at an elite level. It’s what he does with the tools he possesses that makes him so good.

        Krejci is never shy about getting into the dirty areas and he never panics with the puck. Those are two things that Seguin does consistently, and it’s the biggest reason he hasn’t played to a higher level. If he were to improve that part of his game, he would probably be a Hart Trophy candidate in the coming years. That and being put at his natural position.

  4. hockeyflow33 - Aug 13, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    Supposedly the issue had nothing to do with partying and more to do with lack of respect for the veterans.

    Also, can we stop acting like writing the word queer is an atrocity against mankind.

  5. Moop - Aug 13, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    HIs “partying ways” wouldn’t have meant much in Boston if he had played well there. I’m a Seguin fan and believe he can reach his full potential if he does commit himself, but can we stop assuming he was traded solely for partying too much and having no respect for the veterans and all these other rumors that have been flying around? Nobody ever brings up the fact that the Bruins wanted to clear up cap space it just so happened that Seguin’s contract was both a bit too much money, along with the fact that he was more expendable in a trade than, say, Lucic, Krejci, or Bergeron.

    Tyler Seguin can turn out to be a great NHL player. He’s already shown signs of this. But I think the “partying” stuff has been a bit overblown.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 13, 2013 at 2:11 AM

      The worst part is that over a large majority of the guys with numbers up in the rafter at the Garden are beloved for their hard-partying ways.

      Too many non-hockey guys in the Boston media.

      • Moop - Aug 13, 2013 at 2:30 AM

        Seguin “partying” in my opinion is largely an excuse made up by the media for trading a 21 year old with massive potential. Was that part of it? Probably. Was it all of it? Not even close. Nobody seems interested in the fact that his contract was a mistake, or that maybe he wasn’t producing in the playoffs because he was playing third line time with Chris Kelly and Rich Peverley, or the fact that he had some really good defensive games in the playoffs. As far as I’m concerned, his contract was a mistake and too big for a kid his age, the Bruins may have been worried he won’t end up fitting into Julien’s defensive system, and Dallas offered them a great deal.

        It’ll work out great for both teams.

      • pepper2011 - Aug 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

        agree and disagree. Yes, both teams will benefit, and Seguin has a ton of potential, but if he doesn’t start caring it’s not going to matter. He is used to being the best by talent alone. now guys like Marchand, Krejci, Bergeron, and Lucic are all out performing him (2nd and 3rd rd picks) because it takes more than pure talent at this level. They prepare, train, and work harder. I mean seriously this isn’t new anymore. 42 playoff games and 6 goals and 12 A. These numbers would be even scarier if you take away the two games (3g 3a) against Tampa in 2010-11. 3 goals over 40 games. He is too talented to put up those numbers. Once they figured out that if you force him outside he will fire a bullet into the goalies crest or miss picking the corner because he didn’t want to drive the net – it was gonna be tough for him. He’ll put up regular season numbers but I don’t see him doing much in the playoffs.

        Obviously winning lets people turn a blind eye, but it seems like the Bruins realized that you probably weren’t going to win with this guy as your center piece (HA!). People will mention him playing with Peverley and Kelly, but Peverley has put up some pretty damn decent NHL seasons. Sure he had a bad year but he was trending upward and is quite capable of being a 20g 30a guy. I mean if you are a true number 1 center and an offensive beast – you should make those guys better. I mean look at Stamkos – He made Purcell and Downie better players. Marchand started on the 4th line and has worked his way up and maintained a position on one of the top 2 lines (depends on how you look at it).

        By the time Stamkos was his age he had two 90Pt seasons. with 45g and 51g; he then scored 60g as 22 Year old (this year for Seguin).

        Time will tell, but I think they got a great return at a good time.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Aug 13, 2013 at 9:42 AM

      The same kind of rumors swirled around the Flyers organization after Richards and Carter were traded. And they were confirmed regulars at Old City bars the night before game’s. It wasn’t just whispers about what they may or may not do off the clock. So many pundits and fans asked if that was the reason they were traded, when it was really about cap space. Not to mention, like the Bruins, they got a nice return. But those questions disappeared after LA won the Cup. So if Seguin reaches his full potential and/or carries the Stars to playoff success, like the article says, ppl will stop worrying about him.

  6. ray2013 - Aug 13, 2013 at 5:08 AM

    I hope, for Seguin’s sake, that he’s able to straighten everything out and become a perennial all-star for the Stars. But the problem is that he’s already being paid as if he is a perennial all-star (not just a young player with the potential to be one down the road).

    I see it as a problem in the league’s cap structure. You have a cap on ELCs, which is great. But with no cap on RFA contracts, teams are basically gambling on potential, rather than paying for proven results. And if the bets don’t pay off, then the teams are in a pretty difficult situation.

    Living in Edmonton, it’s hard not to wonder about the risk teams take on for heavily investing in the potential of RFAs. Take Gagner, for example. He’s never been a fifty point player, and he doesn’t offer much in the way of size, 2-way playm faceoff % or durability. But the Oilers are betting $14.4 million that he will meet or exceed his 0.79 ppg from last year, and hope it was not an outlier.

    Getting back to Seguin, it would seem like the Bruins are more comfortable investing their cap space in players they feel are proven to fit within the Bruins mold while the Stars are more comfortable rolling the dice on Seguin. Should be interesting to see how the gamble turns out over the next few years.

  7. nhstateline - Aug 13, 2013 at 6:57 AM

    First, the times I’ve seen Tyler Seguin deal with people, he’s been a very decent young man. He’s really good with shy children and is very patient with the fans. It’s easy to see why Chiarelli said that he was basically a good kid because he does seem to be. He’s also 21 years old, lives in a bubble and has millions of dollars. The millions of dollars showing up suddenly has caused problems for lots of people of all ages who’ve won things like lotteries. The bubble and the butt kissing that comes with it are often challenges for young athletes. He’s hardly unique in that. Second, the Bruins did this because it did get them cap space. Chiarelli’s had real problems managing the cap during his tenure in Boston. In this case, having Seguin signed to a long term deal made him easier to trade once the Bruins decided to do it because it meant that he came with cost certainty and term. Third, what it really got them was a player who fit better with the team that they have now and three prospects who will probably play some this year and more in the future. The key to the deal isn’t a player, it’s what happens in the next three years. If they win the Cup again then this works out no matter what Seguin (who did stink here in the playoffs last season) does in Dallas. If not then it has the potential to look really short sighted. The Bruins are built to win now and added to the team that they have right now. Dallas is in a very different spot and got a player who can grow with the younger team they have and in a market where the media microscope doesn’t exist and the bubble is smaller (I mean there are h.s. football players who will get more publicity than Tyler this coming year in North Texas). Going there can be a good thing for him because it gets him the time and space to grow up that he didn’t have there. Fourth, when the Bruins drafted Tyler, I was concerned that this would happen. Boston’s not a great place to try to develop a young star player into an NHL star. Too much media, too much scrutiny and too many distractions. This turned out to be a valid concern. Neither the player nor the organization seemed to deal with it all effectively. Let’s see how they and Dougie Hamilton do (I’ve yet to see a “Mrs. Hamilton” or “Dougie Will You Marry Me ?” nor are there piles of Dougie nightlife stories).

    • Moop - Aug 13, 2013 at 7:47 PM

      Dougie Hamilton has kind of flown under the radar so far because he made the team in his second year of NHL eligibility, not his first, like Seguin. He was also drafted and spent his first two years in the Bruins organization in the shadow of the 2011 Stanley Cup victory and the high quality play of the team the past three seasons, as well as the “young star” status of Tyler Seguin. He’ll get more attention this upcoming season, but he’s not 21 yet so it’s likely that if there are nightlife stories to be told of him they won’t start for at least another year.

  8. mpops86 - Aug 13, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    If they had won without Seguin scoring a single playoff goal, the partying would be forgiven but he’d still be gone. People overlook that he had an awful postseason.

  9. mpops86 - Aug 13, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    If they had won without Seguin scoring a single playoff goal, the partying would be forgiven but he’d still be gone. People forget that he had an awful postseason.

  10. joey4id - Aug 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Much more difficult to play well when you party. He can party all summer if wants and come November he’ll still be far behind game shape wise compared to players who didn’t party has much.

  11. blackhawks2010 - Aug 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Don’t compare Seguin to Patrick Kane, he isn’t half the player as Kaner.

    • thesportsjudge - Aug 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

      Why do people, fans and players alike, find it necessary to call someone named like Kane, Kaner? I understand SHORTENING names as a nickname, but why this?
      Peverly…Pevs, makes sense to me. Bergeron…Bergy, okay.

  12. Lupy Nazty Philthy - Aug 13, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    I think this is more Boston trying to justify their trade by throwing Seguin under the bus than anything else.

    The whole thing was a salary dump. Boston has been able to keep their cup winning team together for a while now, but the cap dropped and the team suddenly needed to clear up some space so they could lock down Bergeron and Rask long term. They couldn’t afford to keep everyone anymore so Seguin was the odd man out.

    To me it’s sorta like Patrick Roy’s thrown game in Montreal to justify the trade to Colorado. The hole thing was so staged to make the trade acceptable to Montreal fans. Just like Seguin’s probably not a party total animal. It’s not like he’s missing practices because he’s hung over or anything. It’s just Boston trying to ease the pain of trading away a fan favorite.

  13. nhstateline - Aug 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Disagree. They were making changes no matter how the SCF came out. Their regular season and the Toronto series featured too much inconsistency and disinterest from too many players. Claude and Chiarelli had clearly had enough and rightly so. I didn’t understand why the players thought they had saved their jobs after game 7 against Toronto. There was too much evidence that changes were needed by that point and Chiarelli is usually really good at putting the evidence together into a plan of action. Had Lucic stayed as he was in the regular season, he’d be gone too or he’d be gone and Seguin would still be here. This was about a body of work by a team that had serious motivational problems and some mental frailty during the regular season and the first round. The way game 6 ended, which was shocking in the moment but anyone who’d followed the Bruins knew they were bad at holding multiple goal leads in the third last season so upon reflection it wasn’t, just sealed the deal. The Horton issue solved itself, Lucic played well in the playoffs solving that problem, they found someone to take Pevs, and they moved Seguin. Really the only guy left on the team who disappears for long stretches is Krejci and he’s money in the playoffs. Now if they can hold a multiple goal lead in the third…….

    • Lupy Nazty Philthy - Aug 15, 2013 at 1:42 AM

      I dunno… Everyone will have their reasons for the moves they make, but 2 cup finals in 3 years. I would have went with minor tweeks over a major RW overhaul. Boston was reminding me of the 90’s devils. Just beat you with pure muscle and defense. I would have tried to keep it together.

      Horton left on his own, which was fine. Jagr was a rental, so no biggy he left either. Picking up Iginla would have been enough IMO. He’s a good leader, good influence on the guys… especially a guy like Seguin.

      Giving up Seguin and Peverle for Eriksson and Morrow doesn’t make sense to me. Seguin for Eriksson works out, but Boston already has a ton of good defense prospects. They created a hole on the checking like moving Peverly out and added to a d-man traffic jam adding Joe Morrow with Krug and Hamilton.

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