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Flyers’ Luke Schenn on first-period brawl: ‘That’s the way it goes’

Mar 6, 2014, 12:14 AM EDT

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The bad blood between the Philadelphia Flyers and Washington Capitals continued, as the two teams engaged in a line brawl in the first period of Wednesday’s game.

Oh yeah, the Flyers managed to hang on for the 6-4 win over their Metropolitan Division foes. The melee, however, was a topic of discussion afterward. It also led to the ejection of Flyers’ forward Vincent Lecavalier, who found himself in a secondary altercation with John Erskine. Lecavalier is known best for his talent with the puck than his fisticuffs. 

“Obviously, you don’t want to see guys like Vinny get kicked out of the game,” Flyers’ defenseman Luke Schenn, who fought Washington’s Tom Wilson in the main event, told CSN Philadelphia.

“That’s a bad trade-off for us. But sometimes guys are standing up for each other and that’s the way it goes sometimes.”

  1. chaseutley - Mar 6, 2014 at 12:48 AM

    This would be a great first round series if both teams can edge out the Rangers and Jackets for the 2 and 3 seed in the Metro.

  2. jrclark1978 - Mar 6, 2014 at 6:35 AM

    Another startling example of what can go wrong when the Flyers rely on defense to maintain a lead. This is a team that couldn’t win a Cup with Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn and Mezaros patrolling the blue line – and most of them were in their prime. We won’t win a series with the current blue liners. Can someone explain why Mez was traded for a 3rd round pick when we have a chance at going to the playoffs? Wouldn’t Mez be more valuable now than any potential pick later? I can’t figure out why you spend on McDonald, then give away Mez.

    Btw, really fun game to watch. Gr

    • valoisvipers - Mar 6, 2014 at 8:18 AM

      There is this thing called the salary cap.

    • bowman20 - Mar 6, 2014 at 8:26 AM

      Not just the cap though. I do not like that they traded Mez and ESPECIALLY don’t like that they traded him to the Bruins! That’s dumb as sht. Anyway, although he’s been playing well lately, Mez is on the down-slope of his career. Best days are behind him for sure. Plus his inconsistencies and veeeery injury prone. Should have sent him out west and definitely wouldn’t have gotten anything better than a third round pick for him. Hate he’s gone personally, but makes the most sense. He’ll score on us at least once this season.

      • emerc88 - Mar 6, 2014 at 10:17 AM

        The difference in salary between Meszaros ($4.1 million) and MacDonald ($550,000) is significant enough to save the Flyers about $700,000 for the remainder of this season. Couple their $6.4 million in cap space with the expected $6 million increase in the cap next year and the possibility of about $11 million in money that will come off the books with current unrestricted free agents. So, if they sign MacDonald to a 4-year, $16 million contract like the one he turned down in New York, they’d still have plenty of room to address other needs as well. this is why they made the trades. and go figure its word for word off the flyers website… good place to get the info ur looking for before complaining about homers first good trade deadline.

    • flyerspsu - Mar 6, 2014 at 8:49 AM

      1st off Mez wasnt on the 2010 team that went to the Cup finals

      2nd he was on an expiring contract

    • dku5 - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM

      I am not trying to be sarcastic, but you have to understand more than just the fundamentals of the game. The Flyers are built around the offense. This team is still the Laviolette team – Offense first; score early and often and don’t worry about the goals you do let up. The blue line is mainly built off scoring D-men who pinch often. Berube seems to have more of a balanced team philosophy.

      Thus, the Flyers took the opportuinity to go after a defensive D-man with great puck movement skills. Furthermore, Mac & Streit reunite to rekindle their chemistry. This move is a step in the right direction (provided Mac signs to stay.)

      The Mez trade is more simle management. Mez will be a UFA next year: Trade him now and get a conditional pick or keep him and sit empty handed next year. Mez is not that valueable, so trade him.

      • jpelle82 - Mar 6, 2014 at 11:20 AM

        calling macdonald a defensive dman is pretty comical. just because he was cannon fodder in long island doesnt mean he’s good at playing defense. defensemen that block a lot of shots are usually blocking all those shots because they are not good at closing gaps and getting the puck to the outside and clearing their own zone…blocked shots by defensemen are the direct result of sustained pressure in the zone and therefore the fault of the defensemen getting shot at because he cant do his job and muddle the attack and clear the puck out….that and they just play on terrible teams like the islanders.

      • moarjam - Mar 6, 2014 at 1:20 PM

        I really don’t want to burst your bubble but you will soon find out that Mac is not a solid defensive Dman. He kinda sucks at playing D…

        Also Mac and Streit will not be rekindling lost chemistry. They are both LHD and never played together. Mac was Hamonic’s long term partner until this year.

      • dku5 - Mar 6, 2014 at 3:50 PM

        Jpelle…The NHL is made up of Defensemen whose role is to put points on the board, and there are defensemen whose role is to keep points off the boards. Macdonald is of the latter. You think he is a goal scoring defensmen, and that is enough cause for your post to be banned for life. It is worse when you say that defeseman that block shots are weak. I am not gong to waste any more time on your drivel.

        Moarjam….All I said was macdonald was a defeseive defenseman; I never implied he was the next Linstrom, Chelios, or Stevens. I said it was a step in the right direction, not the final step. It is hard to gage the quality of his performance when he was surrounded by mediocre players, but I think he is a solid 2nd or third line D-man. I thought he and Streit were together in 2012 and on the PK, but I will take your work on that.

      • jpelle82 - Mar 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM

        dude he’s ranked 47th out of 51 defensemen that have played 1000 minutes this year in HARD rating. his corsi/fenwick numbers are real bad. the only thing he has going for him was shot blocks and i already explained that…

        http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=201314&sit=5v5&pos=defense&minutes=1000&teamid=0&type=corsi&sort=HARDp&sortdir=DESC

      • dku5 - Mar 8, 2014 at 8:51 PM

        Math lesson: 30 teams in the NHL x 2 defenseman per line = 60 first line defensemen. You already ranked him as a first line. This conversation would be much easier and productive if you would just ask questions instead of spouting nonsense on a subject you don’t know.

    • matthewmacisaac - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM

      I think the Flyers would have been better off trading Timonen. He would have brought more return, he isn’t the top notch player he used to be (at this point Meszaros is better), and he is supposed to be retiring at the end of the year. I know Mez could be resigned in the off season but it would be great to see if he can hold up to the grind of playing every game, while retaining his negotiation rights. If the experiment failed because he became injured, they have Gill (mostly a healthy scratch) or Manning/ Lauridsen down on the farm to step up. My biggest fear is that Kimmo will reconsider retiring and the Flyers will resign him. Some nights its like watching Willie Mays trotting out to centerfield for the Mets.

  3. kastout11 - Mar 6, 2014 at 8:05 AM

    You knew one of the Schenn boys were going to try to get a piece of Wilson after the hit that Wilson laid on Brayden earlier in the season. Even though it wasn’t Rinaldo, Simmonds or Hartnell fighting for Philly, I though Vinny and Luke held their own, especially Vinny.

    • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM

      except Wilson started that fight, hence the instigator.

      • matthewmacisaac - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:58 PM

        As a Flyers fan, I have to say that while Wilson started the fight, he showed a lot of class in not hitting Schenn once he realized that Schenn’s legs were caught up with another Capitals player. He waited until Schenn was able to get to his feet and fight back. If he was a scumbag like Carcillo , he’d have been sucker punching away.

  4. runhigh24 - Mar 6, 2014 at 8:18 AM

    This game was a powder keg that was ready to explode. It was just a question of what big hit would spark the line brawl. It actually served well to defuse the situation as afterward it was a pretty normal and entertaining hockey game to watch.

  5. thailer35 - Mar 6, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    The main thing I take away from that fight is consistency throughout the flyers organization. If you compare that fight with the one the phantoms has with the pirates during the Olympics, you can clearly see a 3 on 1 jumping in both videos. Now that’s how farm teams should be, playing the same system as the team in the bigs. Way to go Philly.

    • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:51 AM

      dude, come off it. it was 3 on 1 for like 3 seconds…. about how long any mismatch lasts in the NHL. quit your crying.

      • thailer35 - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM

        Haha, no crying here, totally indifferent about the Flyers and Caps, and even though I am a Coyotes fan, I didn’t have any problem with the phantoms/pirates brawl, just a simple observation that I thought was comical.

    • emerc88 - Mar 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM

      it actually started as a 2 on 1 in Washingtons favor until the rest of the flyers came in to even it up. and and club in the nhl you’ll always see the fighters pulling guys off the skilled players. it takes a real scum bag to go after vinny yet your capitals did it

      • thailer35 - Mar 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

        Again, not a Caps fan. You people are touchy.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM

        why’s it matter who you’re a fan of? we’re replying to what you said, not the team you like.

      • thailer35 - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

        I was just responding to emerc88 saying “it takes a real scum bag to go after vinny yet your capitals did it” and pointing out they are not “my” Capitals.

  6. jpelle82 - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    how simmonds got out of that with just a couple minors is pretty lucky. he crosschecked erskine in the back, then jumped on his head from behind all while he was already engaged with another player. then, once erskine had dropped the gloves with lecavlier, he reached in again and dragged erskine down by the face from behind. pretty gutless from a guy who is usually pretty good about the code. hats off to wilson though, even as a kid he knew better than to swing on schenn while he was tangled up and on his knees.

    • dku5 - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM

      It is common sense. The second fight is automatic ejection. Simonds did not see the trade off as fair – Flyers loose Lecavilier, Caps loose Erskin. Lets put it in a Caps’ fans’ perspective: Chimera would not see loosing Backstrom a fair deal if it was for Rinaldo. He would do everyting he could to stop that fight.

      If you wanna talk about codes, you should think about how the Erskin/Lecavalier match up fits. Simmonds was trying to preserve the code, while Washinton’s Erskin was doing the opposite.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM

        here’s what happened. Lecavalier willingly started that fight with Erskine. Simmonds, as well as myself, didn’t see that fact until the replay. put in Simmonds skates, any of us would do the same if we saw Erskine wailing on a star. it’s that simple. Simmonds was protecting his star who he didn’t realize didn’t need/want protecting (not that Vinny would have WON that fight, but he can at least stand with actual fighters). it’s really a non-issue that’s only being harped on because it’s the Flyers.

      • dku5 - Mar 6, 2014 at 11:40 AM

        Ibie…Not 100% accurate. Schenn hit Stoa, legally. Wilson “paried up” with Schenn (insitigating). Simmonds stood over Stoa while the Wilson/Schenn fight was beginnig. Erskin stood up for Stoa and went after Simmonds. Beagle then sucessfully broke that up, and as the Schenn vs Wilson fight came to an end, Erskin was yelilng at Lecaviler and the scrum broke out. Lecavialier was definitly not looking to fight, as he kept his golves on and backed away form the scrum untl he was tackled.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

        ok, “started that fight” might be wrong, but my point stands regardless. vinny ENTERED a fight willingly, I don’t think Simmonds saw that. i’m not saying he’s blameless, but i can see why he did what he did and can see why he didn’t get a misconduct or more.

    • dku5 - Mar 6, 2014 at 12:56 PM

      Agreed : )

  7. kantnockdahustle89 - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    How Simmonds wasn’t given a misconduct is beyond me. For jumping on Erskines back at the start then holding him back allowing Vinny to get a clean punch in. Just not kosher to do that.

    • emerc88 - Mar 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

      you have to be kidding. you honestly think simmons held erskine back for the sole purpose of allowing vinny to get a free punch?! simmons was protecting vinny and vinny had no idea simmons was even there. although it made me smile watching vinny throw that last punch landing on erskines nose.

      • jpelle82 - Mar 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM

        3 guys jumped erskine for having words with vinny. no one needed to protect him, he couldve skated away once erskine got mugged. instead when erskine gets back to his feet, there’s vinny still talking and ready to drop the gloves – which he did and im fine with. at that point though simmonds needs to back off, grabbing erskine from behind while he’s engaged in a fight is reckless and dangerous, he shouldve gotten the boot.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

        that landed on erskine’s temple lol.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:10 PM

        ummmm…. http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/simmonds-holds-erskine.jpg

      • kyzslew77 - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:56 PM

        GO FLYERZ

  8. irish1136 - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:35 AM

    First thing is this wouldn’t of happened if the caps didn’t overreact on a clean hit by luke, erskine should of just fought simmonds instead of skating at vinny, honestly don’t know why vinny and erskine got games and why wilson got a misconduct, maybe the refs were trying to end it there, i just like the fact that the caps don’t like clean hits when their captain goes high on people….

  9. bp - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    People keep criticizing Simmonds for his role in the brawl, and while that is perfectly fair there are some contributing factors that people are neglecting. Firstly, if you watch the video, Simmonds cross checks Erskine in an attempt to get him to fight. Erskine ignore Simmonds and instead chooses to fight a skill player, which is a violation of hockey code for an enforcer. Also, Simmonds has plenty of cause to dislike Erskine before this brawl. Last year Erskine was suspended 3 games for elbowing Simmonds in the face.

    Not saying Wayne is blameless, only that there were rerasons for his actions.

  10. bp - Mar 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    People keep criticizing Simmonds for his role in the brawl, and while that is perfectly fair there are some contributing factors that people are neglecting. Firstly, if you watch the video, Simmonds cross checks Erskine in an attempt to get him to fight. Erskine ignore Simmonds and instead chooses to fight a skill player, which is a violation of hockey code for an enforcer. Also, Simmonds has plenty of cause to dislike Erskine before this brawl. Last year Erskine was suspended 3 games for elbowing Simmonds in the face.

    Not saying Wayne is blameless, only that there were reasons for his actions.

  11. rsl22 - Mar 6, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    I have a picture of three Flyers taking down Erskine, with Simmonds wrapping his arms around Erskine’s head while Lecavalier reaches back for a haymaker. Simmonds definitely deserved more than he got, but at this point, who cares.

    Caps came out flat, and then when they needed a save, Holtby let them down. He does it every game. Getting Halak will be huge for them.

    • dku5 - Mar 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

      That is called ignorant bliss. The scrum went on for 5 min adn you can only recall 3 seconds, and you recall it incorrectly.

    • cfos00 - Mar 6, 2014 at 12:33 PM

      Caps fans have got to get past blaming Holtby. The defense in front of him is atrocious. Bringing a new goalie in doesn’t stop that problem, it just leaves a new guy to catch the blame. It’s a new coat of paint on a car with a broken axel. Until they have a blue line that does include giving a ton of time to a guy like Mike Green, I really can’t take them seriously in the playoffs. The second that they run into a decent offense, they’re done.

      • jpelle82 - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:52 PM

        couple years ago some nerd parent of a kid on my son’s little league team who has season tickets to the caps wanted to talk to me about it because he saw my pens hat. when they went to the playoffs he bragged he went to all the games, had a front row seat, but still had the nerve to blame holtby and repeat the same old country club fan’s lame “we need a goalie” excuse. it ended up being some of the most painful conversation i’ve ever had on the sidelines of a game. was like talking to a brick wall. most caps fans i encounter here in northern virginia are pretty clueless. no point in telling them a .930 sv% and a gaa under 2.00 in the playoffs is really good…especially when they think ovechkin can do know wrong and mike green is a really good defenseman.

  12. sjsharks66 - Mar 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    There is too much stupidity going on here. Trying to defend 3 flyers on one Cap and defending Simmond’s as a third man in is ridiculous.

    Everyone just imagine if this happened to the Flyers. Like say, similar to the Pens/Flyers playoff series a couple years ago. We all remember how dirty and gutless the Pens were. It I recall Crosby started getting into it with Hartnell. Just like the Erskine/Lecavallier situation. When Adams came in to “help” Crosby, Flyers fans flipped their lid. When Simmond’s “helps” Lecavallier it’s “well, what was he supposed to do! Don’t be such pussies! This is hockey!”

    We can even go back to the Emery situation. Can anyone ( that’s not a Flyers fan ) imagine how they would react if the other teams goalie ran down and just pounded Mason.

    I guess since Schenn got boarded last game they felt the need to let the Flyers do anything they wanted. Not very often you see 3 on 1 fights and a 3rd man in go unnoticed.

    • zta7991 - Mar 6, 2014 at 11:17 AM

      That wouldn’t happen to mason because a flyer would of stepped in even if the ref said no and I think 90% of the other teams in the league would of as well.

    • flyerspsu - Mar 6, 2014 at 1:09 PM

      You cannot get a 3rd man in penalty if the altercation you stepped into got game misconducts

      As for the Pens playoff instance, Crosby grabbed Hartnell from behind and initiated the whole scrum and then Adams came in and punched Hartnell 5 times in the back of the head …. how is that the same as Simmonds tackling Erskine to prevent him from destroying his skilled non fighting teammate in a fight?

      Everybody loves to say the Flyers are the thugs, when in that Pens series the Pens had 3 different players suspended, the Flyers had 0, going back to last year the Capitals have had 2 suspensions from incidents against the Flyers and 3rd one that was reviewed and deemed a the game misconduct was enough punishment

    • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 6, 2014 at 1:44 PM

      Except Simmonds “help” was to grab Erskine, after those two had been originally grappling at the start of the brawl (and you know Simmonds still holds a grudge for that absurd elbow Erskin threw last season). Craig Adams way to “help” was to come and throw sucker punches to the BACK of Hartnell’s head while he was engaged with Crosby, who instigated about 2/3 of the scraps in that series. Should Simmonds have gotten a third man in? Probably, but there’s a big difference between holding a player and throwing haymakers from behind.

  13. flyboystransport - Mar 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    Gee maybe the caps player that was tied up with simmonds shouldve dropped the gloves. Why is nobody mentioning the three high hits that(2 by ovechkin) werent called as penalties or suspensions. The capitals always do crap like that (see the 2 hits on brayden schenn) and yet I see no comments on that which is kinda funny.

    • flyboystransport - Mar 6, 2014 at 12:03 PM

      And you cant be a 3rd man in if youre already engaged with another player.

    • jpelle82 - Mar 6, 2014 at 1:42 PM

      you want to call ovechkin for his, you gotta call rinaldo for his on green. way too many sticks in the air for sure but it wasnt just the caps.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:11 PM

        he didn’t throw a high hit on green…..

      • jpelle82 - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

        he sure did, open ice – popped him right in the mouth. green tried to sell it, and i wouldnt call it a penalty just like ovechkin’s hit on rafl wasnt a penalty either but he definitely hit him with his hands up high.

  14. sjsharks66 - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    I believe the only elbowing penalty that was called was on Downie. No mention of that one, huh?

    • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:33 PM

      lol downie was BEING hit when he got that penalty, not hitting somebody. it was a bad reaction, not a high hit. downie IS a pretty dirty player though. i don’t like him as a Flyer at all.

  15. twpguy1964 - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:28 PM

    I so miss brawls. The pussification of the sport is sickening. Did you happen to see all those people standing, and booing , when this was happening? Did you EVER see anyone standing and booing when a brawl is happening? Right, YOU DON’T!!!!! Take note Gary Buttman! Screw the panty wastes that cry over fighting, let them go watch Curling and leave the old time hockey too the real men, and women

    • ibieiniid - Mar 6, 2014 at 2:34 PM

      don’t worry, Bettman’s on your side:

      http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/02/bettman-says-debate-over-fighting-is-an-overblown-issue/

      • zta7991 - Mar 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

        Lets hope It stays that way but I doubt it.

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