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Video: Kreider suspension coming for hit on Upshall? (Update: No)

Nov 11, 2013, 9:07 AM EDT

Brendan Shanahan may be busy in Toronto being enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame, but his office could have some work to do after the Rangers-Panthers game Sunday night.

Rangers forward Chris Kreider was given a minor penalty for cross-checking Florida’s Scottie Upshall in the final two minutes of the Rangers’ 4-3 win over the Panthers. The problem here is Upshall had no idea a hit was coming.

For the record, Upshall was not hurt on the play although on the video he didn’t look like he was feeling so hot.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post believes the league might come calling because of the hit, but Kreider at least said he was sorry to his teammates for putting them on the penalty kill in the closing minutes of the game.

The Rangers host the New Jersey Devils on Tuesday night. Whether they’ll have Kreider with them we should find out before the day is over.

Update (9:10 a.m. ET): PHT has learned Kreider will not face further action from the league for the hit.

  1. ibieiniid - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    lol what can you say? away from the play, defenseless target, dangerous distance from the boards, 3rd guy into a little scrum, crosscheck (although that one’s tough to tell). he should get a game or two.

  2. valoisvipers - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Cheap shot for sure but hardly suspension worthy.

    • ibieiniid - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:21 AM

      even for the boarding? that’s what I based “a game or two” on.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:24 AM

        didn’t see the update. I guess, by Shanahanahanahan’s standards, I’m wrong.

      • stakex - Nov 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

        Despite not being clearly defined in the rule book, boarding is generally only called on hits from behind. Also, boarding is hardly an automatic suspension.

  3. billyhauntswizards - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    definitely a cheap shot but that’s not suspension worthy at all.

  4. nunan - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    Good. Definitely not worthy of suspension. It’s why we have referees. People still aren’t understanding the point of supplemental discipline…it’s not to suspend for simple penalties.

    • ibieiniid - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:28 AM

      simple penalties usually happen where the puck is. the only intent Kreider had on that play was to put a hurtin’ on Upshall, and he did it at the wrong distance from the boards. shouldn’t have been a huge suspension, but we’ve seen 1-gamers for less. (Lucic on Rinaldo)

      • nunan - Nov 11, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        I get you’re unhappiness with the play but that is still not how suspension decisions are made – just bc it was away from the play or it was a certain distance from the boards. Dirty, yes…but that stuff happens ALL the time. The refs make the call and the players move on. There is a fine line between trying to discipline players for dangerous hits and changing the game completely because of over-intervention from the league. If they suspend for stuff like this, then every game, players are going to get suspended and it all becomes a big joke. Lucic on Rinaldo was completely different. They suspended him for the simple fact that it was from behind. The hit itself was nothing..I would say the Kreider hit was worse but the league specifically wants to get rid of hitting from behind so anyone that does it is gone.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 11, 2013 at 10:52 AM

        but they’ve also made clear they want to do away with dangerous distance from the boards hits. The fact that it was away from the play DOES play in, in that it wasn’t a “hockey play.” it was a move by Kreider that had no significance to the game other than to hurt Upshall (I don’t mean he meant to break the dude’s neck, but he did mean to lay a hit on the guy).

        no suspension, it is what it is. I’m not that bothered by it. coulda gone either way IMO, but it was a dangerous play. that’s all.

      • mp1131211 - Nov 11, 2013 at 2:10 PM

        nunan- I’m not of the opinion that this was worth a suspension, but I am curious about your reasoning. You say the league intervenes in hits from behind because they want to get rid of that, right? But we know for a fact that the both the NHL and the players are interested in minimizing cheap shots that put each other in potential injury positions. This is a blind sided dump into the boards and honestly, he could have seriously hurt his neck there. Like crack-a-vertebrae hurt, not like ouch-my-back-hurts hurt.

        I would argue that the NHL hands out suspensions in a very methodical way, and it has nothing to do with the reasoning that you provided. The NHL suspends a player when it makes them look good. If this had ended up in a paralysis from the neck down, it would have been all over the news (I think that’s fair to assume), and the NHL would have been making announcements and suspensions and making attempts to act involved and in control. The NHL’s consistency is not based on the type of hit/play/or even injury that occurs. Its consistent only in its attempt to maintain a carefully constructed brand which, these days, is all about cleaning up the game.

        Because this hit had very little coverage, the NHL simply doesn’t care.

      • dku5 - Nov 11, 2013 at 3:35 PM

        Nunan, I am not following you, either. I can’t agree with your logic that dirty play is acceptable because it happens all the time. If it is dirty, it should not happen, and if it does, corective manners should be in effect to prevent it from continuing.

        I consider hits away fromt he puck as unnecessary. It has no direct implact on the game. The indirect impact is an injury. The difference is injuries sustained while creating seperation from the puck is normal in the progress of the game, but injuries not related to the flow of the game are personal and uncalled for.

        This was a hit that was away form the play of the game. Upshaw and Stepan were heading away from the puck and toward the bench. This hit had no direct impact on the game. Morover, the unneceaarly hit could have resulted in concussion or other injury including broken neck. I believe this qualifies as a dangerous hit.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 11, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        I wouldn’t even bother. PHT has decided otherwise, so whatever you say that’s against that will get 10 thumbs downs…. no matter how right you are.

  5. devilsarethebest - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    Boo

  6. thehabsnation - Nov 11, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    There is always pushing and shoving around the benches, this time Krieder gave Upshall a push when we was not expecting it and was in a vulnerable position from the boards and it looked a lot worse then what it actually was.

    • blaars60 - Nov 12, 2013 at 6:17 AM

      That was not pushing and shoving around the benches, when you come in from someones blind side, cross check him and send him flying back into the boards like that it’s more than pushing and shoving. How many times have you been hit like that into the boards where you are in a position to say it looked a lot worse than it was? That’s a chicken sh!# play right there and the kind of b.s. that needs to stop. Upshall was in no position to defend himself and in no way could embellish that play. When you are face to face engaged with stick work that’s one thing, what this was is garbage. To say it’s hockey, it happens all the time is not a valid defense for the play. He’s very fortunate his head did not take a direct blow to the top of the board or everyone would be talking a different story.

  7. matt14gg - Nov 11, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    It’s the one play in hockey I really hate. Launching a guy into the boards when he’s defenseless drives me crazy. I’m not saying it’s suspension worthy, cuz it really happens a lot more then most people think, but this is a place where players need to have more respect for their opponent. Just cuz you can do it doesn’t mean you should.

  8. stakex - Nov 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    “Update (9:10 a.m. ET): PHT has learned Kreider will not face further action from the league for the hit.”

    And indeed there shouldn’t be.

    Look, anyone who knows hockey should understand that this kind of pushing and shoving (that wasn’t a cross-check) happen behind the play all the time. Upshall was himself engaged with a cross checking match with Stepan at the time of this push, and Kreider was coming to his teammates defense. Yes, Upshall was caught by surprise and feel awkwardly into the boards… but that’s just unfortunate, there is nothing about it that’s suspension worthy.

    • blaars60 - Nov 12, 2013 at 6:27 AM

      Ok, enough with everyone saying this was pushing and shoving that’s not what that was. To also say he was engaged with a cross checking match with Stepan therefore justifying the actions of Kreider is silly. Key word ENGAGED, they were both ENGAGED with cheap stick work, Kreider came in from the blindside and cross checked Upshall, who was a defenseless player because he was ENGAGED with Stepan. This is the exact crap that needs to be taken out of the game, no respect for the opponent and there was no need for him to come to the “aid” of Stepan, he was taking care of himself just fine. If this is a hockey play then why was there a penalty at all called? Since he wasn’t injured is that why it was ok? If he smacked his head on the boards and blood came spilling out was this still just an “unfortunate” thing that happened? We condone the action because hey it’s hockey, he was comnig to the “aid” of a teammate who needed no aid, he wasn’t injured so it’s all good? Stupid argument, stupid play.

  9. elvispocomo - Nov 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Being the 3rd guy into the situation when it was winding down if anything really irks me. If he came in a grabbed him or if it was clearly accidental contact would be one thing, but this is Kreider doing a fly by to not just brush Upshall but hit him pretty solidly.

    If this isn’t worth a game (in both the public’s eyes and apparently Shanahan’s) I’d like to see it be at least a fine since that’s just stupid and an unnecessary part of the game that could have resulted in injury.

  10. barkar942 - Nov 11, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Here is the real bottom line- the play by Kreider was an immature one. He had to make a decision to stand up for Stepan who was just harassed by Upshall, or to put the team first and just skate to the bench.
    He made the immature decision at that point in the game that put the Rangers down at the end. I still believe that even with his talent to play the game, the little things like this are why he really needs that time in the AHL to continue to develop his skills, but more so to develop his maturity and decision making.

    • moarjam - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:07 PM

      Back to the Ahl? He’s been arguably the rangers best player the past 10 games…

      • barkar942 - Nov 11, 2013 at 10:37 PM

        Look, I am not saying that he hasn’t been playing better, but good all around players do the right things away from the puck as well as with the puck. The first night he was back against Philly, his poor choice of hitting the Philly player at the opposing blue line two seconds after the Philly player sent the puck up ice left him horribly out of position. He was behind the play spinning to try to get into position to play defense and the Philly player had a clean opening to the goal and scored. These type things are the type of mistakes you can make at the AHL level and usually get away with, but be taught by the coaches what to do. When you get to the NHL level and are brought along too soon and you make these mistakes against full blown pros, you are going to hurt your team and eventually get benched. His wrong choice of what to do away from the puck almost cost the Rangers the game last night.
        I think Kreider has tremendous potential, don’t think I don’t like his potential. I hope he has a great career, but when a player doesn’t learn to do the right things away from the puck (also see Pouliot), it can be detrimental to his career.

    • cofran2004 - Nov 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      Was this a dirty play? Yes… kreider should have skated away, as stepan was doing a fine job defending himself. Has every dirty play ever resulted in a suspension? Nope. I remember Crosby flying into a scrum that was already in progress, and sending an uppercut that would make sub-zero (mortal kombat reference, if you aren’t a gamer) proud into another a player’s crotch from behind. Not even a penalty, let alone a suspension. I was at an AHL game a few weeks ago between the Adirondack Phantoms and Albany Devils…. Cam Janssen skated from his OWN blue line as fast and hard as he could and boarded Matt Mangene… his intent was CLEARLY to injure. That Mangene got up and tried to fight him amazed me, because it was one of the most brutal cheap shots I’ve ever seen. Not even a peep from the AHL about it.

      So kreider knocking a pest off balance and having him fall awkwardly into the boards… not really suspension worthy, as kreider has no history of this, and the hit was borderline at worst.

      This just shows that Kreider has a lot to learn. But to suggest he should still be in the AHL is laughable at best. Once could argue that the turnaround in play of the rangers started when he got called up and joined the stepan-zuccarello line. The fact that he knew he did something stupid almost as soon as it happened was evident, and I’d put money on him NOT doing that again. He’s not a dumb guy. He’ll get it figured out.

  11. pfhockey - Nov 11, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Like his intention was to injure upshall? please….

    • blaars60 - Nov 12, 2013 at 6:39 AM

      What does it matter if it was his intention or not? That’s not a valid defense for the play. Just like it’s not a valid defense in the court of law to say I was not aware the speed limit was only 35mph here not 55mph. It’s your job as a player to not put yourself in a situation where your deliberate actions could end up hurting someone. When Hossa hit Berard in the face with his stick that was an accident and a play where he didn’t mean to hurt him, and part of a hockey play. He was attempting a one timer and things went wrong If had he swung his stick at his face and put his eye out would it have been ok because that’s not what he meant to do? Is what Bertuzzi did to Moore ok? Was his intention to injure him or merley draw him into a fight and it was an unfortuneate accident? If you took a shot like Upshall did in a game would you get up and say, “hey nice play eh, good hockey play.” Chicken sh!$ play that needs to go.

      • pfhockey - Nov 13, 2013 at 8:59 PM

        it apparently was a small cross check that connected with upshall off guard with no balance. I’m not saying he’s not accountable but what are the chances of players falling over like that.

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