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Erskine to have disciplinary hearing for elbowing Simmonds

Feb 2, 2013, 10:51 AM EDT

John Erskine‘s elbow to the face of Flyers forward Wayne Simmonds that sparked a brawl between Zac Rinaldo and Matt Hendricks has earned him a meeting with the NHL.

Katie Carrera of The Washington Post tweets that Erskine has a 2 p.m. hearing with the league to determine his punishment for the flagrant shot. Erskine has no suspension history, but the blatant blow to Simmonds’ head will likely earn him some time off.

Simmonds left the game with a head injury thanks to the hit and Flyers GM Paul Holmgren said he had “a little bit of whiplash” as well.

In case you missed it, here’s video of the play (and fight) thanks to CSNPhilly.

  1. icelovinbrotha215 - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Such a dangerous play. This is the epitome of a head shot. Shanaban, this is your time to shine.

  2. matthewmacisaac - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    I’m a Flyer fan and I don’t think it was an intention to injure kind of situation. I think Erskine wanted to knock Simmonds off the puck (otherwise it would be a 1-0 breakaway) and his elbow just came up a little high. I don’t see suspending this guy for this because it was a bang-bang play and he doesn’t have any dirty history. I just hope Simmonds is OK because he is one of the few Flyers that hasn’t been part of the problem.

    • schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      Ha…your kidding right?

    • dagnats - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:29 AM

      i agree, i was listening to the game on the radio and thought the shot was going to look worse than when I saw the replay…bang bang play trying to knock Simmonds off the puck to prevent a breakaway, no prior history, I hope Simmonds is ok but the NHL has to walk a fine line with intent and a bang bang play…

    • phillyphanatic77 - Feb 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

      I’m sorry but you’re dead wrong. If the refs pulled their heads out of their asses for one night that would’ve been a major. It may not have been intent to injure but there was intent to stop a breakaway. Erskine knew Simmonds was about to pass him for a clear scoring chance and clearly raised his elbow to make contact with Simmonds. Whether he meant to clock him squarely in the face isn’t the point, you are responsible for your body. Did he just arbitrarily pull his elbow up? No it was to impede a potential breakaway. It’s disgusting the penalties refs are calling this year, especially when weighed against the ones they’re turning a blind eye towards. Erskine deserves 3 games, too bad it won’t help the Flyers win that game last night.

  3. schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    No doubt about it that this should be at LEAST a three game suspension, however shanny will probably use an excuse (48 game season) to only make it a one gamer. And the fact that NONE of the refs saw that flying elbow is absurd and proves to me that the Buttmann told the refs to favor the crapitals so that they can win a game and get closer to having Ovi in the playoffs for better ratings. Otherwise, can someone tell the flyers that the lockout is over please!?!? This is almost as bad as the 07 season.

  4. sabatimus - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    It’ll be one game, due to the fact that it looked like a reactionary play and not a premeditated one. Unless Erskine has a history of this. Simmonds did get hurt on the play, too. Hmm…

    • schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      Reactionary or not it’s a FLYING ELBOW to the HEAD which is exactly what the league is trying to get rid of. What are you ppl watching?! Besides, who reacts with throwing an ELBOW up high. You just don’t do that. If you get beat on a play then so be it, you don’t just decide to toss an elbow out there as a “reaction.”. Can’t wait to see what Wayne will do next time they play Washington.

      • sabatimus - Feb 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM

        I’m struggling to understand what issue you have with my statement. The criteria I listed are those that Shanahan himself will use to determine suspension and length. I never said I agreed with the hit. I don’t.

      • schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM

        Premeditated or not it’s still a hit to the head. They should all be treated the same. And whose to say this wasn’t premeditated? You can see Erskine look right up at Wayne’s face just before he lifts his elbow. Seems a little suspicious if you ask me.

      • sabatimus - Feb 2, 2013 at 1:42 PM

        They SHOULD all be treated the same. The point is that Shanahan DOESN’T read them all the same. You’re putting words in my mouth that aren’t there.

      • schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 2:25 PM

        Well I’m sorry if you think I’m putting words in your mouth, that wasn’t my intention. This whole situation just frustrates me. And I agree that shanny dosnt treat them the same.

      • hockeydon10 - Feb 2, 2013 at 5:29 PM

        Sir, your caps lock seems to randomly be sticking while you’re typing.

  5. bmoreredfury311 - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Erskine has no history, it was bad timing more then anything. I truly hope Simmonds is alright, hes a very good grinder and a all around a team player. I say there will be a fine and a game at most. There was NO intent, I know, i would have that same knee jerk reaction, if that was one of my guys.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Feb 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM

      Yeah well you ARE looking at it as one of your guys, Erskine. I’m sorry but that was blatant. You don’t just arbitrarily pull your elbow up at the exact second an opposing player is about to pass you on a potential breakaway. There could’ve been a litany of penalties called there: interference, roughing, elbowing etc. It could’ve easily been a major. At the least a double minor (if a high stick drawing blood is a double that has to be). And somehow, with two officials staring directly at, it was clean in their eyes. I’d much rather see the refs fined and suspended bc there are no repercussions for their terrible work across the league this season.

  6. broadstbully33 - Feb 2, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Simmons is not a grinder first of all. There was def intent to hurt, he could have checke him clean on the play but you can clearly see him raise his elbow before contact was made

  7. jeremyroenickdanceparty - Feb 2, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Well let’s hope he’s not still suspended on February 27th, because he’s got a date with Jody Shelley’s right fist that night.

    • schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      I say let Wayne go a round with him first…

      • jeremyroenickdanceparty - Feb 2, 2013 at 12:44 PM

        i dunno, erskine has almost 40 pounds on wayne…

      • schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 1:20 PM

        Tru…But with that added motivation I’d love to see them go at it. But your right, Shelley or sestito are better suited for Erskine.

  8. coreym1945 - Feb 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    How can anybody watch this play and NOT SEE CLEARLY that the guy RAISES & EXTENDS his elbow into the guys face?? The fact that the guy was skating fast only makes it worse it doesnt justify it!! How does one ACCIDENTLY raise their elbow then proceed to extend it outward into anothers face? Using that logic this would happen all the time wouldnt it? Why does the guy have a 2pm hearing with the commish? There was no penalty on the play & the guy accidently threw his elbow into the face of someone, right? I cant understand the thought process behind someone who looks at that as an accident. Ive tried, ive watched the replay several times. Each time I clearly see a guy deliberately attempting to injury another player. I dont care what his history or lack of says it was a dirty cheap shot to the head of an opponent. If you dont believe me then wait until 2:30-3:00pm today when the news of suspension breaks.

    • hockeydon10 - Feb 2, 2013 at 5:29 PM

      Sir, your caps lock seems to randomly be sticking while you’re typing.

  9. chasestern - Feb 2, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    A few things I want to point out. First:

    John Erskine‘s elbow to the face of Flyers forward Wayne Simmonds that sparked a brawl between Zac Rinaldo and Matt Hendricks has earned him a meeting with the NHL.

    Firstly, you can’t have a ‘brawl’ with two people. Secondly, this had nothing to do with the Simmonds hit. The players agreed before the drop (which actually never happened) to square off. So settle down there, chief. Get your facts straight.

    More importantly, I am completely baffled by some posters’ opinions that this was not a premeditated and completely malicious hit directly to the head. If the same exact play happened but Erskine stuck a leg out and tripped him – it’d be a tripping penalty for sure right? Not ‘incidental’ contact (meaning no intention) but a flat out minor for tripping. So why does the standard change when a guy sticks his elbow out and up and completely destroys a guy in the face in the same situation? The answer is it shouldn’t. You can clearly see Erskine lift his head and acknowledge Simmonds before making a clear and determined decision to throw his elbow out and up directly into his face.

    This is easily a 5 minute match penalty and at least 1 game in my book. I’d give him 3 (5 in an 82 game season) because it absolutely defines exactly what the rules are attempting to eliminate from this game.

    Come on everybody. We had plenty of time to do our homework during the lockout and remember the rules of this game. Time to start acting like we remember what they are.

    • schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      Thank you. My thoughts exactly. Some of these posts make me sick to my stomach. Thankfully he seems to be ok, however summoned could’ve been SERIOUSLY injured.

      • schapley18 - Feb 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM


  10. steelers88 - Feb 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM


    • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 2, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      It’s so horrible when these things happen to Flyers. I was more suprised that Rinaldo actually won a fight.

  11. somekat - Feb 2, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    I don’t see why a short season would have any effect on how long the season is. Idiotic idea

    He will get one game, tops. Simmonds is a Flyer. If Simmonds threw that elbow, he’d get 20

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