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Morrison on today’s meeting: “I thought the gap would be closed much quicker”

Dec 12, 2012, 6:30 PM EDT

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After today’s round of talks with mediators, Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said no conclusion was reached with mediators, but the offer theNHL pulled off the table last Thursday was back there today. Free agent forward Brendan Morrison said that made things frustrating today.

“It wasn’t much of a decision,” Morrison said referring to the NHLPA refusing the NHL’s once-removed offer. He also shared with Tom Gulitti of Fire & Ice that the NHL is treating the current financial status the way they did when the league lost a full season in 2004-05.

“I never thought the issues were as big as they were back in 04-05. Apparently, I was wrong,” Morrison said. “I thought the gap would be closed much quicker, but it hasn’t come to fruition yet, so we have to keep working.”

Continuing to work is noble, but if the league is unwilling to negotiate off their last offer there’s not much work that can be done. Then it’s up to the players to decide if they want to take the offer or continue with this staring contest.

  1. id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Jamal Mayers, “we’re not going to present the latest offer to our membership because we are too far from a deal.” Apparently the proposal today was the same as last weeks.

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 12, 2012 at 10:00 PM

      And, apparently they weren’t quite as close to a deal as Fehr would have liked us all to believe.

      This funny thing about all this is that Fehr being “the master negotiator” that he supposedly is……..figured he was finally getting the owners to crack when moderates like Burkle were willing to convince the hardliners to negotiate. And, instead of allowing it to play itself out, he injected himself into the most postive talks that have occured between the two sides in months because he thought “we can get more”.

      Forget the fact that most of the owners have made of living out of negotiating contracts. And forget the fact that people like them don’t become billionares from miscommunication. Fehr simply emboldened men who look at the MLB and see a league of 10 to 15 “haves” who always make the playoffs and 15 to 20 “have nots” who hope for a winning record. Why would the NHL want that? Why would the owners agree to create that type of future.

      The player’s are off the hook at this point. They hired Fehr and their loyalty to him will go down with the ship. Mianly because loyalty is ingrained in the culture of hockey.

      Fehr is a moron! He is fighting against a group of owners who now are willing to sink the season to defeat him. And considering how little the players have gained and what a mess this has become it’s probably best that they do.

    • id4joey - Dec 13, 2012 at 5:26 PM

      47 thumbs down. All you got to read was what Jamal Mayers said. What the F is wrong with you people? Are you all brain dead? On meth?

  2. ducksk - Dec 12, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    Take it or leave it. Sounds like easy choice. Like, play or not play. You may not like it, may hate it. Take it or leave it. Negotiating seems over. It’s ultimatum time. Sucks, but it’s real.

    • chrisvegas - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:02 PM

      Owners think of the season is lost the players will give in over the supper like they did 7 years ago. It makes you wonder if the players hold out longer then that if the owners will cave. The owners prepared to miss this whole season, that is why they are playing hardball.

      • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:20 PM

        They are playing hardball because Fehr decided to play games with Bettman and the owners. Explain to me again how playing a sport for a living is right and not a priviledge? The unemployment line in the regular world awaits gentlemen….Oh right….The player’s think their above that kind of thing, but we’re not.

  3. chrisvegas - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    I really hope this whole lockout comes back to bite the owners in the Arse.

    • id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:11 PM

      How? If anything history shows that they can make up for lost revenues over time. Players can’t do the same.

      • chrisvegas - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM

        I didn’t say it would, I said I hope it does. How? If it did happen it would be from angry fans who didn’t come back to hockey.

    • duster1982 - Dec 13, 2012 at 11:05 AM

      the owners getting “bit in the arse” means this whole thing failed, there’s still trouble in the league, and the league itself is in trouble. So you hoping that happens is short sighted and dumb.

  4. id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Details of the process are emerging.

    October 16 offer
    82 games
    211 million make whole
    5 year term contracts
    6 year CBA
    Owners were pissed off with the short CBA

    Dec 5 offer
    Shortened schedule
    300 million make whole
    5 year term contracts
    10 year CBA
    No more than 5% variance year over year on salaries
    Owners were not happy with 300 million

    Donald Fehr said no to both because he said he can get more.

    To me, this is proof that Bettman is in a precarious position. He wants to end the conflict, but he’s getting a lot of pressure from owners.

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM

      Soooooooooo the union waited two months for 39 million of make whole and 50 million of pension while losing 6 paychecks and turning a 4 billion dollar league into a 2 billion dollar league and losing fans. Oh aaaaaaanndd they still lost 7% percent of HRR.

      Somehow that strikes me saving the barn while the farm falls apart around you. Fehr has unified them alright…..into a bunch of morons!

      They didn’t want to be a bunch of cattle……fair enough. Their food is withering away in the cold of winter while they huddle together and proclaim how strong of a union they are.

  5. jhunter21 - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    The owners will always win. The last CBA helped the league grow tremendously, and it was the owners deal. There might not be that kind of growth this time around, but when push comes to shove, the owners will always push harder. They might be greedy, but they got to where they are at because they are smart. Whether it’s now, six or twelve months from now, or heaven forbid two or more years from now, the owners will get a deal that will favor them, which in turn will probably favor the game. The truth hurts.

    Take the f**king deal.

    • id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM

      Hear, hear. Well said. It is the truth. It blows my mind that the player’s negotiating committee, as a whole will not present the latest offer to the membership to let them they decide whether it’s a good deal or not. Though I suspect everyone on the membership will eventually find out about the details. Will they break protocol to get the membership to approve this deal? We’ll see. I hope that the players will who want to play will have a voice and put pressure on Fehr. No sense in losing a year’s salary to get the same deal next year. You’ve got to cut your loses at some point. Sooner than letter is smartest.

    • chrisvegas - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:20 PM

      They most likely will win, however I think if the players hold out this whole season and part of next the owners will be forced to give in. Obvously that would take a determined group of players. I’m not saying it will happen, rather if the players won I think that is what it would take.

      • duster1982 - Dec 13, 2012 at 11:08 AM

        and the owners will eventually make back the money they lost, the players…not so much

  6. capesouth - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    Accept the offer or cancel the season. I’d like the owners to simply state (and maybe they have) they are not going to budge any more and the NHLPA only has to decide whether they can accept this or not, maybe put a deadline on it. No more meetings, no more negotiations, just a players acceptance or non-acceptance of the offer. For instance, say “We are not budging any more, you have a week to decide on a yes or no answer, at which point we will either start scheduling training camp or the cancellation of the rest of the season. Your call”. Let the people who know how to run a business do their jobs, for god’s sake.

  7. bcjim - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    The recent NYT article convinced me the owners ain’t playing games. 3 teams make 80% of the profits? 10+ teams losing 10+M a year?

    Players best take what’s on the table and like it.

    • capesouth - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:30 PM

      this in today’s edition? I would like to read that..

    • id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:24 PM

      Holy crap! This information came out months ago.

    • id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM

      Here is another excellent article. This one has to convince you the owners need to make this deal on their terms. 3 issues; length of CBA, 5 and 7 year limit on contracts with a max 5% variance on salaries year ovef year, and compliance issues.

  8. sportsfan69 - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    To NHLPA,

    Agree to 10 CBA with an out clause at 8 years, agree to the percentages, and the owners give you 6 year free agent contracts and 8 years with player’s current team. That’s it, we have a deal. Guys, do you want play hockey? It’s a better deal than the NFL and NBA CBA agreements. Stop your pissing and moaning.

  9. shotzongoal - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    So, if there is in fact a complete offer on the table and the League labels it a full and final offer then the players are required to vote in a secret ballot. If it is not their full and final offer then they (the NHL) are open to further negotiations. Because the session was so private not much coming out in the media. That is good except, I hope that the players do not follow Morrison’s lead. This isn’t going to be settled in a battle of public opinion. I still would like to see only Bettmen and Daly the the Fehr brothers meet.

    • shotzongoal - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:42 PM

      Daly and the…not…Daly the the Fehr….geez

  10. sampa71 - Dec 12, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    Link to NYC article:

    • capesouth - Dec 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM

      Thank you

  11. sportsfan69 - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Donald Fehr and Bill Daly describe themselves.

    That explains why we don’t have a deal.

  12. ducksk - Dec 12, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    Remember the majority of teams In NHL area making $ now because they are loosing less than playing games and player payroll. I have not heard of 1 owner not paying his GM’s, coaches and other team staff right now. Follow Fehr to Armageddon or take what’s on the table. Or decertify, throw it In anti trust court and risk years. My bet is the owners will not be to forgiving for all the sniping from the players, especially the personal stuff. Sign or move on. Sorry to say many of you will have played your last game. Die on the sword. Your call.

  13. ducksk - Dec 12, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Well said.

  14. macjacmccoy - Dec 13, 2012 at 3:35 AM

    If the owners force the entire season to be canceled ( and they are the ones doing it, this is a lockout not a strike) I hope the players remove every concession they have made ( which dont be confused they are the only ones that have given up anything so far) off the table and tell the owners that if they want Hockey in 2013-2014 then they will have to sign an exact copy of the last cba or cut the entire NHL . I would miss hockey but it would be worth it imo. These owners are crying poor while using there vast wealth to convince every day people that they are in the right and Im sick of everyone falling for it. So if missing 2 entire seasons is what needs to happen for these owners to finally get it then so be it.

    • duster1982 - Dec 13, 2012 at 11:10 AM

      lol youre an idiot

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