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NHL-NHLPA mediation over — no progress made, no more meetings planned

Nov 29, 2012, 4:40 PM EDT

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The NHL and NHLPA have ended a second day of meetings with federal mediators, and it appears the two sides are no closer to reaching a new collective bargaining agreement

TSN’s Bob McKenzie reports there’s “no traction or progress” coming from Thursday’s meeting, which was led by FMCS mediators Scot L. Beckenbaugh and John (Jack) Sweeney.

ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun adds that no further mediation sessions have been planned.

The two sides met for most of Wednesday before departing with plans to resume talks on Thursday morning.

NHLPA executive Donald Fehr offered a short statement last night, outlining that a small group of union members met with a pair of FMCS mediators — it was expected that meetings would move from small, separate groups to today’s larger collaborative effort…which probably explains why no progress was made.

Of note, Renaud P Lavioe of RDS passes word that breaking off mediation doesn’t rule out the NHL and NHLPA using it again when (or, if) they get closer to an agreement.

We’ll have more to follow, assuming both the league and players’ union offer statements.

As for what’s next? Talks will inevitably turn to NHLPA/union decertification.

Some links:

Spurs’ Bonner cautions NHLers, says decertification “throws everything into chaos”

Daly says decertification “would likely lead to the end of the season”

Specter of decertification looms over lockout

  1. matt8204 - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    Everyone involved in this process ought to hang their heads in shame. I’ve gotten used to not having hockey. It’s not even a big deal anymore. You better hope that not too many fans share my sentiments.

    • stakex - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM

      You say hockeys not a big deal to you anymore… yet you seem to comment on almost every lockout story there is, meaning you are still following whats going on. If you didn’t plan to watch hockey once this was over, you wouldn’t be here right now.

      Which as I like to point out is why everyone involved will get away with this. People such as yourself who act like you are done with the NHL, will be glued to your TV the day hockey returns.

      • matt8204 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:09 PM

        Maybe…or maybe it’s just a morbid curiosity to see whether these guys will actually blow up another season. The drama is kind of entertaining.

      • matt8204 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:15 PM

        And I didn’t say that I’m done with the NHL. I just said it isn’t a big deal to me anymore…ergo, I probably wouldn’t call myself a diehard again. I won’t go out of my way to watch games, especially in the regular season. I certainly won’t purchase tickets or NHL merchandise. They say they want to grow the game, but how does withholding your product from customers every 8-10 years help you to accomplish that?

    • noisetheorem - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM

      If that were really true, would you be here spouting piss and vinegar at every news article? Face it: we do care. We care a lot. And the owners (and players) know it.

  2. bloominoctober - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    This is the most ridiculous and absurd thing I’ve ever seen. I am completely stunned by the fact that this lockout continues to drag on. I know I shouldn’t be surprised by it (seeing as how it involves Bettman, the Fehr brothers, and Daly), but I am. I can’t believe this has gone on this long, and I find it even harder to believe that there’s STILL no end in sight.

    Here’s an idea: let’s stop trying to determine who’s penis is the biggest, and get back to the game we all love so much.

    • ron05342 - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:57 PM

      Actually, the measurement would be whose penis is NOT the smallest.

      • drcuschieri84 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:00 PM

        to determine whose penis is bigger, one must have one first. This isn’t the case here.

  3. chrisvegas - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    Big surprise there… There won’t be any progress made until the players give the baby owners exactly what they want. If the players are going to win this one they will have to be willing to miss a season plus, or else just give in now so we don’t have to hear the owners cry anymore. The NHL is pathetic.

    • ron05342 - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:59 PM

      It is my conclusion now that the owners will not budge an inch. They are prepared to trash the season, just as they did 8 years ago.

      We should have known this was going to happen. Just one year ago, NHL owners were telling NBA owners that it was better in the long run to lose a season, rather than compromise with the players.

      • matt8204 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:11 PM

        Did the NBA listen? Apparently not.

      • ron05342 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:17 PM

        @matt8204: Whether the NBA listened or not is irrelevant. The point is clearly how the NHL owners’ have mapped out their strategy.

      • matt8204 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:23 PM

        Well, I’ll say this. If people come back right away, they forfeit all right to complain when they do this dance again when the next CBA expires. Even if people don’t walk away forever, at least put a scare into the league. Boycott the first season, stage a walkout during a game, something. Why further embolden these guys?

      • woodstakes - Nov 30, 2012 at 1:00 AM

        Actually the NBA owners did listen… but the NBAPA went to decertification and the owners decided they didn’t want to get sued in an federal antitrust lawsuit and they had a deal in 13 days. The players need to realize this season is over unless they are willing to give up on virtually everything.. 50/50 and all contract rights. So they’re best bet would be to decertify now. They should have threatened it after the NHL’s first 3 offers. But they didn’t and now really they have no other alternative. If they decertify now at least we will have a season next year… if they just stick to their guns on this we will probably lose most if not all of next season too.

  4. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Merry Christmas to all and to the NHL season a goodnight!

  5. gc19 - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Typical. In just a few days the new CBA deadline will be Oct 2013

  6. bleed4philly - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Queue the fat lady cuz this season is over! My amazing 2013′ fantasy drafted team gone to waste!

  7. Stiller43 - Nov 29, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    Everyone involved should be fired.

  8. buff80 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Say goodnight! Bettman leads another idiot parade

    • acieu - Nov 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM

      Say Goodnight! Fehr leads another idiot parade.

  9. kyzslew77 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Honestly, I’m really surprised. I don’t mean I’m surprised that this didn’t create any progress–I haven’t been surprised at anything that’s happened day-to-day since the lockout started. But in the big picture I am shocked. When the NBA and NFL were locked out last year, I said “big deal, they’ll play, they’ll figure it out” and both did. Same story this fall, and look how wrong I am. Today is the day I have come to terms with the fact that they probably will cancel this season. (Go ahead and thumbs down me for not reaching that conclusion sooner.) Man, if you had told me back on Sept. 15 that there wouldn’t be a deal by Dec. 1, I would have told you there was no way that would end up being true.

    This sucks.

  10. tfaltin - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Beckenbaugh: Okay Gary, the players are willing to meet your demands on the make whole, and 99 the 100 contract right issues….Gary: we are done here, no deal.

  11. stakex - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    Barring some sort of revolt on either side, it would seem decertification will be the next big step… which all but means the NHL season is probably lost.

    Unless of course as time ticks down to zero hour, cooler heads prevail. Fat chance on that though.

  12. sjsharks66 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    This has turned into a comedy. Not even upset anymore, just laughing. No talks until Thursday? Later

  13. drcuschieri84 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    absolutely ridiculous. Its truly sad that the negotiations have solved nothing over the past two months. As an avid hockey fan, I come to this website each day hoping to see something positive and time after time, optimism gets shot down. Hopefully owners reevaluate bettman as the man in charge and the players Fehr.

  14. fortwaynekomets - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Bettman is single handily ruining the sport of Hockey. RIP NHL to what potential you “could have had”. sure the sport will never go away and fans will come back… but what about taking the sport to another level instead of settling for what you have now and raping the players for all they’re worth? this sport could have been HUGE in America. HUGE.

    I am so thankful for America One Sports online where you can watch the ECHL, CHL, & College Hockey!!! Getting to watch every past game On Demand is amazing too!

    F*** Y** NHL!

    • matt8204 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:20 PM

      Easily the most mismanaged sports league in North America…and probably in the entire world. It has every element of athletics that people like…speed, skill, violence, fast-paced. Terrible marketing and abysmal leadership is holding it back IMHO.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:38 PM

        I completely agree, the sad thing is that I don’t think the people at the NHL realize this or that they’re the 7th most popular sport in the United States, NFL, MLB, NBA, NASCAR, college football and college basketball are all more popular, if the NHL keeps going the way they are they’ll quickly be comparing themselves with the MLS and WNBA….sadly that’s not even a joke.

  15. id4joey - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Well! No real surprise. I think the NHL will cancel the last 2 weeks of Dec games on Dec 7 if the new CBA is ratified or if they are far apart. If they are close to a deal by Dec 7 then they may save the last week in case there is a deal before the 14. I remain optimistic and hopeful.

    • matt8204 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:24 PM

      Why? What gives you such optimism?

    • id4joey - Nov 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

      Meant to weird of the new CBA is not ratified by Dec 7

  16. fortwaynekomets - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    ^^^ because he is paid to post positive, optimistic posts on this website, duh.

  17. fortwaynekomets - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    I say boycott the first game too, or Tue first month.

    watch it on TV while not contributing a dime to the NHL. that’s what I am going to do when Hockey resumes. I will spend and donate all my hockey related money to youth & minor leagues.

    I will never buy another item with the NHL hologram on it, ans that’s a fact.

    • tatdue - Nov 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

      You are accusing people of being paid to post crap? You’re the biggest troll on this site!!! Joey might be a bit off with his optimism sometimes but I’ll take his optimism over your douche bag trolling efforts any day! Go get a real job loser and quit trying to capitalize on other peoples emotions……A$$hole!

      • valoisvipers - Nov 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM

        Alright Tatdue didn’t know you had it in you. Thumbs up this time.

  18. General Lee 1175 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    nah nah nah nah
    nah nah nah nah
    hey hey hey

  19. General Lee 1175 - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    where’s dumbfeld ?? anyone know??

    (insert sounds of crickets)

    • valoisvipers - Nov 29, 2012 at 6:43 PM

      General Lee is lonely again.
      (insert sound of crickets) no wait the cricket sound is live.

      • General Lee 1175 - Nov 29, 2012 at 6:52 PM

        lol getting you to react like you are , makes it less “lonely”

  20. id4joey - Nov 29, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Part optimistic by choice, and part optimistic the players will eventually see the lesser of 2 evils and take the deal. I just can’t come to terms that they would lose a year’s salary. The owners have cancelled a season before, and I’d be damn concerned they will do it again if I were a player.

    • General Lee 1175 - Nov 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

      yeah well you’re not a player so , quit trying to perceive your views as one or as any type of “insider” to the sport like you claim to be , moron.

      • valoisvipers - Nov 29, 2012 at 6:40 PM

        General Lee is that your sister Sara calling you in the bushes? Why don’t you take your Viagra and redneck out around the barn and go see.

      • General Lee 1175 - Nov 29, 2012 at 6:50 PM

        you sound pretty mad valerieisvipers lol!!

      • id4joey - Nov 30, 2012 at 7:14 AM

        Well! I don’t know what you’re talking about, General. Never was there a claim made that I had insider information. I would never use my contacts to get inside info to post here. Matter of fact, I never ask for such info and they are not the type to kiss and tell.

      • valoisvipers - Nov 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

        @ General Lee Joey doesn’t need insider info he just holds the envelope to his forehead and tells us what will happen in a couple of days and “presto” a couple of days later PHT does a story on it. Call it Voodoo,The Great Carnack or whatever Joey knows all, sees all and tells all and for that we should all thank him. Thanks Joey. See Gen Lee that was easy wasn’t it.

      • id4joey - Nov 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

        You re welcome, valoisvipers. You too General Lee.

    • tatdue - Nov 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM

      Joey, that’s the exact reason why the players cannot give in!!! If they give in they will most assuredly be going through this same bullsh!t when the next CBA comes up for negotiation….they have to make a stand to put a stop to this lock out first – negotiate later (until they get everything they want) crap once and for all!!!

  21. id4joey - Nov 29, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    tatdue, I don’t disagree that the owners are using strong arm tactics to bully the players. The reality of it, and it’s a personal opinion, the owners can wait out the players much more than the opposite. Take Brodeur or Iginla, they stand to lose a combined $25 million if there is another lockout. How can they make up for that lost? They can’t. They are a product, that over time depreciates in value and marketability. The value of NHL teams, if history is an indicator, appreciate over time. Be it 10, 15, or 20 years. The owners will have the opportunity to make up for lost revenues.

  22. LoyalFan34yrsGoKings - Nov 29, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    Bull Sh*t. Bull Sh*t. Bull S*it Bull Shi*

  23. LoyalFan34yrsGoKings - Nov 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    That’s bull $hit, man.

  24. flyeredup - Nov 29, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    Please kill the 2012,2013,2014 Season as well! Great news here! Rot NHL Pigs!

  25. savior72 - Nov 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    I think the players should give in to the NHL offer.they need more money to help expand and make Hockey more popular. They’ve pretty much maxed out on what they can spend to do that. The last well they can dip their buckets into is the players wallets. Give it up and get on with what you love to do. Peace!

  26. woodstakes - Nov 30, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    IF the players decide to decertify I think this thing will get done rather quickly. Reason being is ALL of the NHL books will have to be handed over to federal antitrust courts… the players don’t even know what ALL the books say, all they know about is whats reported in HRR. All of the NHL owners NHL Business practices will be on display in federal court… probably made public as well. The court will see all these teams at the top making ALL THESE BIG BUCKS and will be left to wonder why they wouldn’t help out these failing teams and why is it the “employee/products” responsibilty to take care of this. The courts will see how teams have intentionally turned away possible revenue increases just in order to make either one of they’re other businesses more profitable or to just keep that increase in profit from going into HRR and the players getting a share of it… or for BOTH reasons. I REALLY don’t think the 1%’ers are ready for all of that to come out. The courts will see record revenues and players increase in salary that goes right along with the “Cap” (the owners killed one season to get) and will be left wondering why these teams are failing if the cap follows revenue and salaries follow cap… hmmm.

  27. westof1club - Nov 30, 2012 at 6:57 AM

    It’s time for the KHL to make a proactive move to finally sink the NHL. Sign Crosby & the NHL can fade into oblivion. NHL owners are too arrogant/stupid to realize the sport will thrive outside North America, especially with elite ex-NHLers leaving. These Scumbags can hold their league hostage, but they can’t stop hockey.

    • valoisvipers - Nov 30, 2012 at 10:33 AM

      @westof1club You say “Sign Crosby & the NHL can fade into oblivion.”
      Wow he must be some player, hey wasn’t he the guy that was hurt most of the last 2 seasons and yet the NHL survived and posted record Revenues?
      Face it no players want to play anywhere else but the NHL. Yes I know right now they are scattered all over the globe but that is just any port in a storm.

    • phntomsoul - Dec 3, 2012 at 1:52 PM

      You couldn’t be more wrong. This is what seems to perpetually annoy Russians and other Europeans – that the capital of the hockey world is Canada. Then. Now. Always.

      I totally agree that the NHL should be sunk; especially if this latest spat ends up cancelling what’s left of the season. As it is now, the NHL has already completely lost the interest of every major American television network except for one, which up until this point would only offer profit sharing and not pay any kind of licensing royalties. After this lockout, NBC/Comcast may have abandoned ship as well. I probably would.

      Why does this matter? Because when things happen on the American stage, people turn to watch. Yes, even still. And since the league with the top hockey talent needs to be in a place where American media is willing and able to showcase it, any league(s) to replace the level of the NHL will have to be in North America.

  28. omniusprime - Nov 30, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Why the long faces? No progress in the mediation is progress! Progress that the NHL will die an ignominious death this season. Rejoice for there is no progress!!! Just too funny that the negotiators didn’t even bother to schedule another bargaining session, that’s the best news yet. Bye Bye NHL!!!

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  30. raulduke11 - Nov 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

    Who cares?

  31. phntomsoul - Dec 3, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    You know, the sad part is that we’re all really just a bunch of whiners, players and owners included. We all know that the day play resumes – be it next week, next month, next season, or however many years from now, every single house will be packed to the legal limit, and maybe then some, and we will have taken nothing away from this experience, other than being pretty sure it’ll happen again once some stubborn a-hole wielding enough power doesn’t get exactly what he wants.

    And it’s not just hockey; it’s entertainment in general. As far as hockey, most of us cannot – nor probably should not – afford such blatantly overpriced ($100 a seat and/or $70+ a month for the most basic cable subscription that includes the local team’s games?) products, yet we keep coming back to them feverishly, demanding them as something we’re entitled to as if nothing else mattered, despite complete unabashed abuse from its providers.

    Shame on all of us. Then, now, as well as in the future.

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