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Report: Players willing to receive percentage of HRR

Nov 21, 2012, 11:16 AM EDT

Fehr and players

Today in New York, in what one observer is calling “a big move in the owners’ direction,” the NHLPA has reportedly proposed that the players’ share of hockey-related revenue be calculated as a percentage, as it was under the last CBA.

The NHL recently expressed frustration with the union’s demands for a guaranteed dollar amount going towards the players. The league has also indicated it won’t accept such a proposal.

Of course, we don’t know what percentage of HRR the NHLPA has requested, so don’t get too excited yet. The devil, as they say, is in the details.

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Update 2:

  1. id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Yep! Here it comes.

    id4joey | Nov 21, 2012, 8:52 AM EST
    Well! Today is a big day for the PA. Their true colors will be revealed based on the proposal they will present this morning 10am. Now, if they are totally off the mark, then it will be another short meeting. If the players insist on any sort of guaranteed returns over percentage of HRR, then you can expect the NHL to announce later today the cancellation of all games from Dec 1 to 14. If not, then they will be in a negotiation marathon trying to resolve this conflict by the end of this week. What will it be for the players? Another lost pay check or an agreement?

    • silversun60 - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      List of things for you to do:
      1) Stop Quoting Yourself.

      That is all.

      • mgp1219 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM

        See “Joey”, I’m not the only one who is tired of you and your boyfriend “blom”.

      • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

        mississippimudslinger – Nov 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM
        joey and blomfeld are the same person …. 1-800-bipolar

  2. coreydm80 - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    COME ON

  3. id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Note to silversun, NEVER! but thanks for caring.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM

      He speaks for all of us.

  4. erika29 - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    Can all of you please stop arguing over each other’s comments. It’s just about as annoying as the lockout. JUST IGNORE EACH OTHER!!

    • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM

      Erika, yes! That would be the sensible thing to do. But sometimes our testosterone gets the better of us. It’s in our DNA.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM

      What exactly is this reply button for?

  5. id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Mojo, read my note to silver sunshine. And add a FU. As long as there are a holes who dump their venom, I will re- post simply to stuff it in their faces. And if it bothers you, then move on and skip over it.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      That was venom? I thought it was a snide remark.

      P.S. I almost always do skip over your comments.

      • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM

        Then why are you constantly replying to my comments? Bimbo! LMAO

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

        Constantly? Don’t flatter yourself.

      • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM

        And yet again. Are you so ignorant that you can’t catch on? Easy as fishing I suppose.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM

        These ones are short enough that I can read and reply to them without feeling like I’ve totally wasted precious seconds of my life.

  6. mississippimudslinger - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    A sucker is born every hour! LOL and you stupid fans will crawl back on your hands and knees to these players ! and this very sport that did not give a rat’s rotten rectum about …YOU… the “fanatics”

    but nonetheless I’ll stick by my guns… it’s over ……there will be no 2012-2013 NHL campaign !

    • mississippimudslinger - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM

      typo should have said a** rotten rats rectum**

      • ibieiniid - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:52 AM

        OHHHH i thought you meant a rotting rectum of a rat. not a rectum of a ROTTING rat. makes complete sense now

        but wait would the rectum of a rotting rat not also be rotting.
        get back to me please.

      • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:59 AM

        Missi, are you so socially ill at ease that you can’t overcome your urge to correct your own typo? Wow! Pathetic! Get some help!

    • mgp1219 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

      yes, Mrs. Sippee,
      All the nascar drivers and owners care deeply about their fans.

      Still married to your sister or did you divorce her so you can marry your cousin?

  7. sjsharks66 - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Joey is actually a creepy dude. What he says basically comes true. But honestly, today is the day.

    • mississippimudslinger - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM

      joey and blomfeld are the same person …. 1-800-bipolar

      • bcjim - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM

        I fail to see why you believe this.

        Blomfeld is a long time contributor to PHT why would he bother creating some other identity now?

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

        Either that’s true or they are two of the most truly…ahem…unique personalities out there.

    • blomfeld - Nov 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

      Bcjim – Thanks friend ! :)

      To those of you who are fixated with this “Blomfeld=Id4Joey” crap … you can just take a quick look back, not even three months ago, where you’ll find me on the receiving end of some pretty disparaging remarks from Joey. So “no” we are not the same person, even though the notion is rather flattering from my point of view. Blomfeld is just my handle and I’m just a basic person who happens to love the LA Kings, Elvis and “good times” … and I have an eternal soft spot for all of God’s creatures and anyone who is downtrodden. With Id4joey, it should be obvious that I’m not even in his league when it comes to his knowledge and understanding of hockey and how it works behind the scenes. The difference between his posts and mine, is as stark as the difference between night and day … and you people should see that. What we do likely have, is a shared sense of humor ? And on that score, I’d venture to say that there’s probably a few of us here who do that, eh ? :) So to those who keep going on about this “Blomfeld=Id4joey” crap, please give it a rest as it’s now becoming boring. Not to mention the fact that it makes my Bettman “conspiracy” theories appear almost worthy of a Pulitzer Prize !

      • mgp1219 - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM

        blomfeld,
        please go away.

      • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

        blomfeld, yeah! You remember those posts. Hahahahaha! Anyway, I agree that we share a sense of humor, and don’t forget our appreciation for not the Kings, but, the ‘King’. EP is a trail blazer and inspiration for so many great members of some of the best bands in the 70s.

  8. bcjim - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    “Donald Fehr says new proposal is “about as good we can do.””

    Uh, no its not, Don.

    You do not seem to appreciate that you have come to a gunfight with plastic knife from McDonalds.

    Delaying/whining/grousing/etc is only costing your players money in the form of missed checks.

    Now, if you are truly acting at the behest of the players, fine, then they are the fools.

  9. ron05342 - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    $189 million apart over 5 years.

    If what he says is true (big if), then we will have hockey soon because the league would be a fool to not just concede the $189 million (over 5 years, that is less than $40 million a year).

  10. id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Missi, first you say we’ll crawl back then say there won’t be a season. Which one is it? Dude! BTW, you’re right on my account, well almost. I won’t crawl, but I will not walk away from the game because of a labor dispute.

  11. savior72 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    There sure are some real losers here

  12. jimw81 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    ball officially in gary ,bill and jermeny’s court if they want to be “partners”

  13. chrisvegas - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    This isn’t surprising to me. The players were never the unreasonable ones. Now it is the owners turn to meet in the middle as this whole mess is their fault.

    • jimw81 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM

      it is their fault. they started this bs with slap in the face offer to players and showing them zero respect.

      • chrisvegas - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

        Very True. If they whine about this latest offer so help me God.

      • shotzongoal - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:02 PM

        Not true…had Fehr negotiated in good faith from the initial 43% offer we would have been at 50/50 weeks ago. What’s the half way point of 43/57? It’s 50/50. An negotiating stratagem, “Come on, meet me halfway!” We all have used it.

      • chrisvegas - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM

        @shotzongoal – So Fehr is to negotiate in good faith on a pathetic and insulting offer that wasn’t offered in good faith? That makes real good sense genius. If they owners wanted a 50-50 split why not just say that to begin with, you know in good faith?

  14. flyeredup - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    Shut the league down Turkeys! You’ve done everything to alienate the fans. Rot NHL!

  15. mississippimudslinger - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    id joey acts like he knew some sort of “insides” to the business lol the only insides he knows is blomfelds pooper

    • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

      No insides at all missi. BTW, again, I repeat, blomfeld and I are the same person. Here it is again in cased you missed it; blomfeld and I are the same person. can you repeat this.

    • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

      mississippimudslinger – Nov 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM
      joey and blomfeld are the same person …. 1-800-bipolar

  16. flyerguy73 - Nov 21, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    You guys are a bunch of moronic idiots. Go argue with your pathetic selves somewhere else.

    • mgp1219 - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM

      flyerguy,
      is that opposed to intelligent idiots?

  17. habsman - Nov 21, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    So it has taken the PA two months to realize that a guaranteed dollar amount won’t fly. Nice.

    Now lets see what percentage they’re willing to accept. If it more than 50-51 percent in the first year, nothing will have been accomplished.

    It’s going to take another one or two lost paycheques before an agreement is made. Hopefully it won’t be too late to salvage a season. Hopefully the players look back on 2004-2005. Those who fail to understand history, are doomed to repeat it. (paraphrasing)

    • davebabychreturns - Nov 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

      Actually waiting the owners out (by repeatedly submitting totally unacceptable proposals) has gained the players a lot, the owners have come a long way from their initial slap in the face offer.

      Now that the players have signalled they are ready to begin negotiations, the owners position is substantially weaker than it was this summer. It sucks that it’s come down to cancelled games but when the owners took such an offensive position that was pretty much guaranteed.

      • habsman - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

        “Waiting out” the owners has also cost the players approximately $400 million in lost salaries. Money they will never recoup. I place the blame 60-40 on the players for their failure to restructure the financial blueprint going forward. As every day goes by, there is less revenue to split.

        Also, lets not forget the seven losts months of negotiating when Fehr was “getting up to speed” last spring. This was an attempt to use the start up of the season as leverage, ultimately forcing the lockout.

        I think the owners still have the hammer. They’ll cancell another two weeks or the entire month of December if this thing isn’t worked out in the next couple of days. Lets hope there is a breakthrough soon.

      • shotzongoal - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

        You are contradicting yourself. You just stated that it was the players who, “waited the owners out” and that, “Now that the players have signalled (sp) they are ready to begin negotiations,.” So it was the players who caused the owners to cancel the games using the above strategy!

      • davebabychreturns - Nov 22, 2012 at 2:09 PM

        @habsman – over five years, the 7% of HRR that ownership has moved from their initial offer (and they will move more before this is over) adds up to almost a billion dollars.

        @shotzongoal – that’s not a contradiction. The players avoided meaningful negotiations until the league gave up much of its bargaining position, and now they have begun serious negotiations with an offer that reflects the kinds of terms on which the league wanted to bargain from the start. The problem for the league is that they wanted to bargain in this way with their laughable opening offer, a position from which they could meet in the middle and still make out like gangbusters. Now that the PA have waited and waited and waited the league has given much of that up and the final result (if it occurs while there is time to save this season) will be much closer to what the players wanted than it would have otherwise.

        As for cancelled games being the fault of one side or the other, I’d say each side has a fair bit of responsibility for this mess. The league set the tone for this negotiation in the summer, and has been complaining to anyone who will listen that the PA won’t negotiate seriously (in other words, won’t make an offer the owners like) ever since. Perhaps if ownership had put their best foot forward in the summer, we wouldn’t have seen all of the rhetoric and gamesmanship we’ve seen from both sides ever since.

  18. thomaspratt - Nov 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    If the Twitter buzz is correct and Fehr and some hardline players had to be moved by intense pressure from moderates, fine. We may have hockey soon, but the players will never be able to attract a strong representative, and they are fooling themselves if they don’t think the league will go after guaranteed contracts next time.

    • habsman - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM

      Can we focus on getting this CBA settled before worring about the next one?

  19. shotzongoal - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    If it is in fact a fifty/fifty split for the entire CBA, term then it will be easier and expected for the league to move on contract issues. This may workout!!

    • valoisvipers - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM

      “IF” If the Queen had balls, she would be King.
      Some how I don’t think Herr Fehr 50-50 split means 50-50. He will undoubtedly have the offer tangled with hooks and barbs or he wouldn’t be saying (by his calculations) that they would now only be 189 million apart.

  20. shotzongoal - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    From the offer submitted by NHLPA

    “There are no guarantees or fixed targets, other than a requirement that, beginning with the second year of the Agreement, players’ share, expressed in dollars, may not fall below its value for the prior season. This proposal allows us to determine players’ share regardless of the effects of the lockout and its aftermath.”

    Don’t think the owners will agree to this and not sure how serious the NHLPA considers it to be. This is towards the end of their proposal!

  21. semin28 - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    I’m horny

  22. flyerguy73 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Lol at mgp1219. I come here to read what intelligent people have to say about the lockout, and I read these people fighting with each other. Pretty sad.

  23. joeyashwi - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    I really don’t care how business smart some of you on here are or pretend to be. I’m just a stupid hockey fan who wants to see some Wild hockey this year. Neither side was right and the whole lockout has been a disaster. Let’s just all hope that when the next CBA rolls around that neither Idiot Fehr or Lawyer Bettman are involved. These two have made it personal and hurt the sides they were supposed to represent. Let’s Play Hockey!!!!!

    • id4joey - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:16 PM

      Bro, I hear and agree with you. But, you can’t take the business side out of the game. Once upon a time it was a one way business. Meaning it was all about the owners. Players were being exploited, and many ended up sleeping in box cars after their career ended. Trail blazers like Ted Lindsay and Doug Harvey formed the NHLPA. The owners in their infinite wisdom, started trading players or sending them to the minors, and the PA was eventually broken. Enter Alan Eagleson, Executive Director, and later player rep. Eagleson was convicted of fraud and embezzlement and briefly imprisoned. This guy was in bed with the the ownership and PA membership and screwed over more than one player. None more so than one of the greatest ever to lace on the skates, Bobby Orr. So, you see friend, it’s a big big business. No different than other sports.

  24. omniusprime - Nov 22, 2012 at 9:04 AM

    I hope the two sides stay a billion dollars apart. Time to end the farce known as pro hockey. The NHL is nothing but sissies with sticks on ice, looking to see who gets in the best cheap shot. What’s needed is a women’s pro hockey league, they could show the sissy boys how to play real hockey without resorting to cheap shots. I hope the NHL goes bankrupt and the fans find something intelligent to get interested in. Bye Bye NHL!!!

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