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Friedman: Players want Fehrs to do more negotiating

Nov 3, 2012, 3:45 PM EDT

Sidney Crosby; Dan Cleary; Jonathan Toews AP

Lost in the talk of the NHL apparently looking to own up to their “make whole” proposal as well as the two sides meeting in private today is something CBC’s Elliotte Friedman made note of in his piece yesterday on this.

Friedman says in the union’s conference call with the players on Thursday, the players wanted Donald and Steve Fehr to do more in the way of negotiating with the owners rather than sitting in silence.

Obviously there’s no way to know what the owners are thinking when it comes to the lack of talks, but hearing from the players that they’re looking for more action in negotiations is, at the very least, curious.

The next question is: Will the urgency of the players help get a deal done to get the season started?

  1. braddavery - Nov 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    They are starting to realize that the money they will lose by not playing this season (a full season’s pay) vastly outweighs the money they will be giving up in the future if they get this deal done. Dollars and cents starting to create sense.

    • manchestermiracle - Nov 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM

      Lack of dollars is starting to create desperation. It’s beginning to look like they’ll cave, just like they did in the last stoppage.

      • stangz11 - Nov 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

        I don’t necessarily think that it means too much. There’s two parties to every negotiation, so it’s going to take an effort from the owners to meet as well. The lack of direct dialogue these last two weeks shows the lack of urgency, even with the Winter Classic in danger. It’s disappointing to say the least, and I’m glad to see the players want to see more negotiating, but the owners and Bettman have to be on board too

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Nov 3, 2012 at 9:28 PM

        They just recently got a check for 7.8% of their pay from last year, I’m not sure desperation would be there yet, maybe in a couple more months.

      • esracerx46 - Nov 4, 2012 at 12:30 AM

        A couple more months? If they wait 2-3 more months their wont be a season. You cant have a 30 game season. Then up to 28 games of playoffs. If the season doesnt start by christmas i doubt theirs a season at all.

  2. puckhogg - Nov 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    The next question is: Will the urgency of the players help get a deal done to get the season started?

    of course it will….urgency is don fehrs middle name……..

  3. bjbeliever - Nov 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    I think a few players are pulling out their calculators
    A years pay is more than 15% less over a 4 year career

    • tmoore4075 - Nov 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

      I also think the players don’t want to lose a season because no one was talking. If you lose the year while negotiating at least it wasn’t in silence like most of the fall back in 04.

  4. rbern11162 - Nov 3, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    The players are starting to figure out what an ass fehr is

    • polegojim - Nov 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

      EXACTLY!!! Fire Fehr…. and you’ll see results.

  5. ducksk - Nov 3, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Time to Fehr the reaper. Oops I mean Fehr needs to fear the reaper. The old guys, free agents, and 3 and 4 liners are beginning to bear pressure on the Donald. Take that for the Truth!!!!!

  6. manchestermiracle - Nov 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    How do you do “more negotiating” when the other side won’t meet with you? Unless the players give up and accept the owners’ last offer, the owners have no incentive to go back to the table. Rest assured this hasn’t been “lost in the talk” by the owners. You can bet they saw this and are licking their collective chops.

    • stakex - Nov 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

      No one is actually sure if thats true or not… thats just what Fehr was telling the media. Did you ever think that perhaps every time the owners met with the players, Fehr simply said “This is what we want… we’ll talk when you’re ready to accept”?

      I mean it had to be something along those lines since the players that actually know whats happening behind the scenes are starting to demand Fehr actually start negotiating. They wouldn’t be doing that if it was the owners who refused to talk.

  7. eyeh8goodell - Nov 3, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    This doesn’t mean the “players will cave”. They’ve already stood their ground through one season lost. They’re even more determined and pissed this time around. Saying they want more negotiation isn’t an indicator of “caving”. They players are doing just fine for money, they’re getting their escrow from last season and they get 10K per month from the PA. Think about that……10K per month. I think that’s enough to live on. LOL.

    • somekat - Nov 4, 2012 at 9:38 AM

      who in the world thinks the player “held their ground” last time around? They gave the owners everything they wanted

      Get a clue

  8. ducksk - Nov 3, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    8% of salary in escrow and $10k month. I don’t think a lot of players are doing just fine! They have big mortgages and big lifestyle. Do you know a 37 yr old free agent or 4th line tough guy making $800k per year how he’s doing? I’d like to hear. They want contracts and want to play and earn thier $. And I want them to. If your talking about the 1st guys making 3 mil and up and accounting for 70% of team cap, no worries!

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Nov 3, 2012 at 9:34 PM

      We’re not talking about nba players here, most NHL players are very good at living a regular lifestyle. In fact that’s probably more than enough right now because they’re only paying the mortgage in their home city not paying for a rental plus living expenses in their team’s city.

      • somekat - Nov 4, 2012 at 9:40 AM

        hooray for the most racist comment of the day

        For a proper translation, the above states “these are white guys, and they take care of their money better than black guys”. Not only is it racist, it’s not true

  9. eyeh8goodell - Nov 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    Big lifestyles? We’re talking about NHL players, not NBA/NFL players. Did you see any NHL players on the ESPN “broke” special? Nope. You see any on MTV Cribs? Nope. You see any mansions, bling, 20 man entourages, strip clubs, or numerous baby mamas on HBO 24/7? Nope. What I’d like to see from you is a single shred of evidence to back that statement.

  10. bubblehead22 - Nov 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    They should have never hired him in the first place. He took almost a year to “get up to speed” he’s a huge part of this problem.

  11. Doesnotmatter - Nov 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

    Fehr is the advocate for the NHLPA. He does not have the power to do what he wants. He’s doing what the players want. Quit blaming him for this lockout. Its a lockout, not a strike. The owners locked out the players. Just like they locked them out when the previous CBA expired. I hope the players don’t cave in. And I hope Bettman and Daly resign right after the deal gets done. They’re more of a problem than Fehr.

    • somekat - Nov 4, 2012 at 9:35 AM

      Someone doesn’t know how business, or unions work. That someone goes by the screen name “doesnotmatter”

      Because I’m sure while Fehr “does not have the power to do what he wants”, Bettman being an employee of the owners, can do whatever he wants to….clown

      • Doesnotmatter - Nov 5, 2012 at 8:04 AM

        No. Not whatever he wants to. He still needs 8 out of 30 owners to back him up. I’m pretty sure he can get 8 votes from the Governors for just about anything. Clown…

  12. somekat - Nov 4, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Wait…..”more” negotiating? Doesn’t that imply that they have done so in the first place?

    Does 3 “offers” where the union didn’t even bother to run the numbers now count as negotiations to these idiots? They CAN’T be that stupid, can they? If they lack of any actual offer from the union is NOT part of a larger already agreed upon strategy from the union, the Fehrs should go to jail for how they’ve handled this.

    They’ve sat back and not given ANY offer that they thought had any chance of being accepted, while waiting for the league to keep moving towards thier position. It worked with MLB, why not with the NHL? News flash for Fehr, MLB was NEVER losing money, and besides, I think if you poll the players, more than 80% would not want the MLB model (you know, 25+ teams just being farm systems for 7-8 elite teams), so it’s an idiotic bargaining position to begin with

  13. bubblehead22 - Nov 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    @doesnotmatter:

    No Feher isn’t the reason for lockout he’s the reason for the difficult and drawn out negation process which has been the theme here, but thanks for the lesson anyway.

    • Doesnotmatter - Nov 5, 2012 at 8:09 AM

      How? Bettman and Daly took 10 minutes and rejected 3 different offers from the PA.

  14. sidneydeane12 - Nov 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    First time I’ve come close to agreeing with either side. As a fan really not happy with the amount of time they’ve spent doing nothing. Don’t think the NHL is in a position to think fans will come rushing back no matter when they decide to. Think as fans we should make it known for everyday they spend not working on a deal, is one day fans won’t be watching or attending a game when they decide to come back.

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