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Campbell: NHLers want to “embarrass” divers, distribute list league wide

Aug 22, 2012, 8:30 PM EDT

Kesler Dive

Following the commencement of the NHL’s Rule Enforcement Meetings, Senior Executive Vice President Colin Campbell highlighted one of the key developments from the two-day affair:

Players want to eliminate diving. Big time.

Here’s the skinny from Dan Rosen of NHL.com:

The players in the session, including Ottawa center Jason Spezza, Vancouver defenseman Kevin Bieksa and Toronto defenseman John-Michael Liles, led an impassioned discussion on enforcing the diving/embellishment rule (Rule 64.1), Campbell told NHL.com. He said the players want to distribute a list of divers around the League so it can be posted in all 30 dressing rooms and be delivered to the on-ice officials.

“They want to get [the list] out there,” Campbell said. “They want the player to be caught, whether it’s on the ice by the referee or by us on video. They are all tired of diving. The object is to make them stop eventually and, by doing that, they can get it out there around the League, embarrass them. The referees will know it, too, so the divers don’t get the benefit of the doubt.”

The “diver’s list” became big news following the last lockout when, early in the 2005-06 season, then-Kings forward Sean Avery blasted Campbell after being placed on the list — one that publicly identified him not just as a diver, but a repeat offender.

Campbell responded to Avery’s criticisms with comments similar to those he made on Wednesday.

“We can tell a dive most of the time,” he said. “We’re just trying to get the emphatic ones and hope that players don’t want to be on a list with their names up in every dressing room.”

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  1. scionofflame - Aug 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    Absolutely agree. Diving is a spineless practice and it’s got no place in hockey. Get it out of the NHL and embarrass the ones that keep it up.

    • Eberwizzle - Aug 23, 2012 at 5:16 PM

      How about refs grow “stones” and call a 2 minute penalty along with a 10 minute unsportsmanlike penalty…..have all “dives” sent to league office and if found a dive fine them like NFL does for helmet to helmet infractions? They’ll stop.

      • cardsandbluesforever - Aug 24, 2012 at 5:11 PM

        yup, there is a simple soloution to the problem. enforce already existing rules.

  2. upyourstodd - Aug 22, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    I hope for Brad Marchand’s sake that Brad Marchand is on that list. Kids gotta wake up before he isn’t taken seriously anymore.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:26 PM

      As an actual Bruins fans, I completely agree. I hate that aspect of his game

      • upyourstodd - Aug 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM

        A Bruins diehard myself. While Playing for a team that is predicated on tough, bruising hockey (much to many teams dismay) there is no room for a diver wearing the Black and Gold.

    • loinstache - Aug 23, 2012 at 12:45 AM

      As a Canucks fan I appreciate the sentiment, and hope players like Kesler will do so as well. Simply takes
      a lot out of the game, rivalries aside

    • greenmtnboy31 - Aug 23, 2012 at 8:38 AM

      Habs fans agree, he’s a Marchmallow punk.

      • drewsylvania - Aug 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM

        A Habs fan talking about how the OTHER team dives and acts like punks?

  3. bearcountry17 - Aug 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    Jason Spezza…. really?

    • greenmtnboy31 - Aug 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM

      Considering what a cheap shot artist and guy afraid to go toe to toe with guy’s his size, that Chara is; that’s a good play by Spezza. Go to youtube and you’ll see video after video of Chara going turtle and dragging big guys to the ice as soon as he can when he’s in a scrap with Laraque, Brashear, Boogaard and others that he knows will knock him out if he tries to go toe to toe. Biggest wuss in the league.

      • drewsylvania - Aug 23, 2012 at 9:48 AM

        Given that you’re drinking the idiot kool aid, why not try some of Mr. Jones’?

        Chara doesn’t fight. At all. He used to, but that was years and years ago. And skill-less, pointless players like Laraque and Brashear are a poor trade for 5 minutes.

        One last point really makes me laugh:

        “guy afraid to go toe to toe with guy’s his size, that Chara is”

        What’s he supposed to do, fight Tyler Myers every day? Myers only has one team, and half the time he’s a healthy scratch.

      • bearcountry17 - Aug 23, 2012 at 1:24 PM

        Besides the Pacioretty incident, can you show me another cheapshot by Chara?
        No matter what your feelings on Chara are this is exactly what the league wants to get rid of,
        Embellishing in order to draw a call therefor belittling the integrity of the game.
        I know Marchand dives sometimes and I cant stand it but atleast he isnt leading the charge to try to rid the game of it. Hypocrisy much?

  4. sjtorpitt - Aug 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    Please, keep the diving for the soccer players.

  5. xaf605 - Aug 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    I love the fact you show a picture of a canuck prime example!

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:32 PM

  6. kneedeepinpujols - Aug 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    While I totally agree that diving needs to be taken out of hockey, I’m a little pessimistic that a list will change things much. Maybe I’m wrong, but I would imagine that players and officials already know who embellishes constantly, would putting them on a list really be all that eye opening?

    • upyourstodd - Aug 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

      Yeah but the do the players that dive get the message that diving is wrong? Thats the purpose of the list.

    • drewsylvania - Aug 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

      We don’t need a list. We just need to call the dives when they happen. Why is this so hard?

      • emoser - Aug 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM

        Well, the main reason guys dive is because refs who don’t have a clear view often mistake it for an actual penalty. But I agree that they need to start calling dives as a solo penalty instead of paired with a penalty by the opposing player. I think they also need to start reviewing video and handing out 1 game suspensions for divers.

  7. sgtr0c - Aug 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    This is very stupid. Go ahead define diving. Ok, now have that same disscussion with a fan from a rival team. It cannot be proven with facts, only opinion. What will happen when some is called out for it and is actually injured, does the nhl have lawyers to explain this stuff? They allow fighting, but will bust you for faking getting hurt. It is insane.

    This is like sueing someone who gave you the finger. Stop it please, it is to subjective to define in every case.

    I will admit to calling it out every time I believe I see it, but I was prolly wrong every time.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:25 PM

      Thanks for trying to watch hockey, go back to basketball

    • drewsylvania - Aug 23, 2012 at 9:52 AM

      Ugh. To any student of the game, most dives are obvious.

  8. biffnasty - Aug 22, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    Cindy would be #1 on this list. He got a concussion last time he embellished a hit. What a girl

    • vanfoodman - Aug 25, 2012 at 1:58 AM

      Biffnasty, grow up ya misogynist nitwit.

    • grlscout - Aug 26, 2012 at 9:47 PM

      What a girl?? Im sorry, the year 1950 called. They’d like you to know your a small minded, uneducated individual who is hell bent on believing his sex has an imagined superiority. Let me guess; You cant wait for the semester to start so that you can pledge for that bit time fraternity you’ve been fantasizing about. What a guy!

  9. mpg44 - Aug 22, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    Yea…. Cause Avery had an argument there!! Yea right!!! That guy is the cause of at least two rules and maybe even more!

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:34 PM

      • ron05342 - Aug 24, 2012 at 1:57 PM

        If you want some comic relief today, click on the “news anchor fail 2012″ that appears in the related content videos in the upper left hand corner at the end of the video…

        ROTFLMAO!

  10. sjsharks66 - Aug 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Nice petty Crosby comment. Did you come up with that by yourself? Its really like beating a dead horse. It gets really old.

    • claude28giroux - Aug 22, 2012 at 9:43 PM

      It will only be old once Crosby shows more class. As long as still does it fans will still bring it up

      • chizmo - Aug 23, 2012 at 8:31 AM

        OWWW MY WRISTIES, SIDNEY CWOSBY HUWT ME!!!!!! OUCHIES IT WAS HIM HE DID IT SOMEONE CALL THE WAHHHHMBULANCE!!!!

  11. claude28giroux - Aug 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B53W-7tk4Uw

  12. dcent87 - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    List reads as follows

    1.Sidney Crosby
    2. Kris Latang
    This is all

  13. philly4lyfe - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM

    Crosby
    Crosby
    Crosby
    Crosby
    Crosby
    Crosby
    Crosby

    List complete.

    • danphipps01 - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM

      You’re missing at least fifteen Ryan Keslers.

      • bucrightoff - Aug 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM

        Hey leave a few spots for Luongo, Burrows and Lapierre

  14. herc883 - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    I’m a die hard Flyers fan and even I must admit… Danny Briere would be top 10 on this list. Just behind Crosby and Letang.

  15. pastabelly - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    1. Subban.
    2. All other Montreal players.

    • ballistictrajectory - Aug 23, 2012 at 7:53 AM

      Coach and management too.

  16. stakex - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Considering that the leagues golden boy would be front and center on that list, theres no way the league will let this happen. Its all about marketing, and while we all know Crosby is a huge diver (type Crosby dive on YouTube if you have any doubt), the league would rather that not be a published fact. Its easy to blow off such accusations by pointing out hes almost never called for diving… its so easy to do when your listed as one of the top divers by your peers.

    You know though, the whole diving issue (which is really getting out of hand all over) is the fault of the league and their officials simply refusing to call diving anymore. Why do players embelish so much? Simple… they know they are far more likely to draw a penelty then be called for one, which is the problem. If the refs just called the rule as its suppose to be, this problem would have been stamped out before it started.

  17. capesouth - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    great idea. the only ways this will stop is if the refs start calling it more, which they don’t do enough because it is so hard to gauge in real time, OR the players take it upon themselves to resolve it. Everyone knows respect and doing things the ‘right’ way is big in hockey. that’s why players always want someone to answer for some misdeed by fighting. i can guarantee, if there is a list circulating around the league, players will not want to be on it. to be officially documented as a diver and be up on the bulletin board in locker rooms around the league is not something anyone would want. there will be some that continue to do it but i think this sort of approach to the problem is the best one. put the onus on the players, not the refs….it starts with the players.

  18. slumdog66 - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    It seems Philly fans hate Crosby more than they like their own team. You ppl from Philly are seriously slow….

    • grlscout - Aug 23, 2012 at 5:56 PM

      Im the absolute furthest thing from a Philly fan and I hate Crosby. He is the Tom Brady of hockey: cry baby, poor sport, tantrum thower. He spends more time tattleing to the refs than he does playing.

  19. tcclark - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    great. now that they’re clamping down on this look for many of the players on that list to sign with or demand trades to Pittsburgh seeing as that’s the only way they’re going to be able to get away with it now

  20. sonofsamiam - Aug 22, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    I wonder if Bieksa realizes that the majority of his team will be on ‘the list’

    • davebabychreturns - Aug 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM

      Majority, right. There are about three Canucks who are bad for this and maybe three others who could arguably be lumped in with them, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.

      Like I said elsewhere, if games were called according to the rules players would feel less compelled to ‘sell’ calls to the officials; and if games were reviewed and embellishment subject to supplemental discipline it’d probably be enough on its own to stamp it out.

  21. cosmoandmelovepens - Aug 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM

    Or go crying to philthly were the scum of the league truly live and thrive. 1975!

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 23, 2012 at 2:37 AM

      Horrendous word-play attempt

  22. sjsharks66 - Aug 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    I will say one thing about the Flyers fans. They “roll hard” not just to their teams games, but to the articles to troll.

    I’m awaiting my 70 thumbs down lol

  23. capsfan19 - Aug 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    What? What’s that? You said who… Brad Marchand?

  24. 950003cups - Aug 23, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    Dannie Briere is a pretty bad diver. Crosby doesn’t dive any more. Avery was a diver who embarrassed his team to the point where refs allowed teams to cheap shot the rangers of Avery dove that game. But it’s ok for him. Diving is ok if you’re a 4th liner.

    As much as I am disappointed Parise left NJ, one thing is for sure, he NEVER took a dive. I will call him many things, but a diver he was not.

  25. murtdurt - Aug 23, 2012 at 3:37 AM

    Wow some people need to get off the hater-ade. Must be the world juniors, or maybe the art Ross or rocket? Maybe it’s the hart trophy? No it must be the game winning gold medal because EVERYONE on this site knows it can’t be because he won the cup right?? Why you mad BROS?!

  26. michflaguy - Aug 23, 2012 at 5:03 AM

    Make diving\flopping a team penalty…2-minute minor for 1st call in a game, and a 5-minute major for every subsequent call in the same game. If players start hurting their teams with majors, the practice will stop because the players and coaches will then police any floppers they have on their own team. Think of the scene in Full Metal Jacket where everyone in the platoon took a turn hitting ‘Gomer Pyle’ with a bar of soap wrapped in a towel….*that* is where we need to get this situation to in the minds of the players\coaches in order to eliminate diving\flopping.

  27. michflaguy - Aug 23, 2012 at 5:18 AM

    There is an old playground basketball rule that might work in this situation. In blacktop basketball, if some guy comes on and starts calling a foul every time he takes a shot or is touched, here’s how we deal with that. We start fouling the living CRAP out of him *every* time he touches the ball…and I mean HARD, INTENTIONAL fouls. We he complains, we tell him to either call the fouls fairly, or we will make DAMN SURE they are good fouls. Floppers in hockey should be boarded, slashed, tripped, cross-checked and beaten up after every flop until they stop the practice.

    • michflaguy - Aug 23, 2012 at 5:23 AM

      Seriously…if I get sent to the penalty box because a guy flops and gets away with it, I am going to make SURE that there is NO DOUBT about the next foul I commit against the guy. Hell, might as well speed up, leave the ice and board the guy into the 3rd row if I am going to get called for a penalty anyway. This will start hapeening if the NHL does not get a handle on this.

      • kitshky - Aug 23, 2012 at 3:37 PM

        …and that’s why guys embellish calls.

        You’ve just proven that not only are they likely to get the original call, they’ve clearly got under your skin and shifted your focus from the game at hand to getting him back.

        If you’re a valuable player to your team he’s effectively diminished your impact on the game… and guaranteed at least one or more power play opportunities for his team.

  28. sneeko - Aug 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM

    Joe Thornton. If he’s not on this list, then I don’t know what.

    • wingsdjy - Aug 23, 2012 at 5:02 PM

      Still one of my favorites

  29. gbar22 - Aug 23, 2012 at 9:21 AM

    Good! The most frustrating part as a fan watching the game is when you see terrible calls on clearly embellished falls.

  30. heelbostonfan - Aug 23, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Put PK Subban and the Sedin sisters at the top of the list.

  31. dlk75150 - Aug 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    Doesn’t matter this has been in place already and refs don’t call it

    • davebabychreturns - Aug 23, 2012 at 1:05 PM

      Yep. Officials don’t have a hope in hell of recognizing every penalty on the ice, it’s even less likely when they have to start differentiating between real penalties and fake ones.. doesn’t matter how many zebras you put on the ice.

      To all these people calling for video replay of every penalty or escalating penalties within a game or what have you, all it’s going to do is take even more flow out of the game.

      Leave diving open to review for supplemental discipline, and if the PA won’t agree to allow bigger fines to players (big enough to actually matter to them) then just suspend guys who dive. See how long it lasts when a team has to play its next game short a couple of top six forwards..

  32. comeonnowguys - Aug 23, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    If they do supplemental discipline, Mike Smith’s take-home pay is about to take a hit.

  33. isithockeyseasonyet - Aug 23, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Suspend them if they dive, there is no fine substantial enough because I’ll bet the team ends up covering it if that dive gets called as a trip and the penguins, err I mean the team who dives, win a game due in part to a bogus call…PS Crosby would gain respect from this coming to fruition because I’ll bet it makes him quit diving like the bucked tooth fruit he is

  34. beergold - Aug 23, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    There wouldn’t be a single Leaf on this list as all the Leaf players are too afraid to get THAT close to an opposing player. Burkes’ Pink Pantie Laffs!

    • davebabychreturns - Aug 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM

      Weird, someone cares enough about the Leafs to troll their fans on the internet.

  35. jburrell4 - Aug 23, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    Anyone mention Dustin Brown? Should be a couple of queens on the list beside Cindy. Which, as was already pointed out, is the reason the ‘list’ will not happen. This isn’t exclusively league dirt bags we are talking about – it’s captains and NHL poster girls….

  36. katolungile - Aug 23, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Dustin Browne will be all over this list.

    • ron05342 - Aug 23, 2012 at 10:14 PM

      Who is Dustin Browne? Is he related to Jackson Browne?

  37. habsflop - Aug 24, 2012 at 8:12 AM

    I think diving is seriously ruining the game, teams now actually gameplan for it, it is part of their strategy to get on the PP and win that way and that way only (Montreal, Vancouver) Putting out a list is step 1, make that list public every week to fans and media and start to fine players. If that does not curb the diving start suspending repeat offenders. Follow the NFL’s model for helmet to helmet hits and make it reviewable.

  38. thedavesiknowiknow - Aug 25, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Meh. Like everything else the NHL does to try to better itself- they’ll get tough on it (whenever) the season starts for a month or so, then find a new issue to get tough on, then forget about that one too.

    I may not be the smartest man in the world- but simply enforce diving consistently from one referee to the next. Then, continue to call it. It’ll go away. Oh, and no more of that dive on one player and obstruction on another.

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