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Toews honored to be compared to Crosby

Aug 2, 2014, 10:10 AM EDT

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When it comes to individual accomplishments, there’s no question that Sidney Crosby has achieved more than Jonathan Toews, but Toews is the one that’s captained his team to a pair of Stanley Cup championships and has won the Conn Smythe Trophy.

NBC analyst Jeremy Roenick said in May that while Crosby is the better player, he would sooner build a team around Toews. The fact that the comparisons are being made was brought up to Toews during a FAN 590 interview and he was asked what he thinks of them.

“I think you’ve got to take it with a grain of salt,” Toews said. “I mean, I think there’s many situations where our team success in Chicago could hit a rough patch and myself and Kane or whoever else normally gets the credit for that could take most of the responsibility. So it goes one of two ways.

“I think it’s an honor to hear something like that, but like I said, I still feel every year I’ve got a lot to prove and as a team we want to win more than ever, having had that experience twice already.”

As Toews suggested, those conversations will likely swayed by how Chicago and Pittsburgh do going forward. Both teams are great on paper and while the Blackhawks have excelled while the Penguins have struggled to live up to expectations, there’s no guarantee that those trends will persist going forward.

(h/t CSN Chicago)

  1. phtjoey - Aug 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    suffice it to say that right now Mr. T is the better of the the two, and anyone who has a thorough knowledge of the game would rather build a team around T. he’d be my first choice too. Crosby’s failures in the playoffs are the main reason T should be #1 on every list.

    • getadealdonealready - Aug 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

      actually potential long term health would be #1 factor for picking Toews IMO

  2. c1md6 - Aug 2, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Honored? Crosby should be honored to be mentioned with Toews. Toews has 2 cups and actually won a conn Smythe while being a leader in both those runs. Yeah I know Crosby won it in 09 but we all know that Malkin was batman and Crosby was an injured Robin, that’s why Malkin brought home the hardware. Year in and year out Towes leads his team deep into the playoffs and makes his team a better team soley off of leadership, and Crosby, well, his whining and crying year in and year out has blown the rails off of Pittsburgh’s playoff chances and season. Would rather have Towes any day of the week.

    • c9castine - Aug 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

      crosby was injured in game 7 of the finals and up to that point recorded 15 goals and 31 points in 24 games played.

      he has 114 career playoff points in 95 games played over 7 seasons. 1 stanley cup, 2 conference titles. has also led team canada to 2 gold medals.

      toews scored 29 points in 22 games in 2010 and was a -1 on a team that crushed that post season. patrick kane scored the big goal for the blackhawks. he had a great post season, but stop acting like he broke gretzky’s playoff record of 45 pts and did it all alone.

      in 2013, toews went an 11 game stretch without a goal and finished with 3 goals and 14 pts in 23 games. kane had 9 goals, sharp had 10, hossa had 7, and bickell had 9. brent seabrook had to give him a pep talk in the penalty box.

      jonathon toews is one of the top players in the game but hes not better than crosby. if you think so, your not looking at the big picture.

  3. lakeshoreleafsfan - Aug 2, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Jonathan Toews might be too polite to say he’s offended to being compared to Sidney Crosby, so I’ll say it. Comparing Toews to Crosby is the dirtiest, cheapest form of an insult one can make. Toews is NOT a whiny, diving crybaby…Crosby is. Toews is a grinding, hard-working hockey player who has earned the success he has so far…unlike Crosby, who has the “success” he has because it was handed to him on a silver platter. Anybody who compares Toews to Crosby is an insulting butthole, and I’m offended at that comparison

    • blynasty - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:02 AM

      I just wish the people commenting on these boards actually watched hockey instead of being spoonfed what to saying regarding current players. Maybe switch of your local broadcast every other night and watch other games than your team’s. Somebody get the shepherd because we got a sheep on the loose…

      • lakeshoreleafsfan - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:15 AM

        Awww….did I hurt your widdle feelings because I didn’t say something nice about Crosby as per NHL, NBC, and CBC protocol. Look, I realize it’s almost a criminal offence to have negative thoughts and to make negative comments about the so-called “greatest player in the world” but I don’t buy into that crap. Just because the NHL and media say he’s the “greatest player in the world” doesn’t mean it’s a fact. It’s people like you who are brainwashed into the thinking that Crosby is great. I would put Jonathan Towes, Patrick, and Drew Doughty on my team before I even think of putting Sidney Crosby, Wayne Gretzky, and PK Subban on my team; because I think and see for myself who earned their success and who was handed their success. You, and everybody like yourself, should think for yourself and stop believing everything NBC and NHL tells you

      • blynasty - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:59 AM

        I don’t care if Jesus himself comes down and dubs Crosby the best player in the world. There is not another player in the league that is nearly as fun to watch as 87. Toews is surrounded by all-star wingers and one of the deepest teams in the salary cap era. Opponents can afford to have two guys on Crosby at all times when all it means is opening up time and space for guys like Kunitz and Dupuis. Give that space to Sharp and Hossa and they will make you pay all night. Crosby hate all you want, but as far as passion goes Crosby hasn’t been “given anything” the kid works his ass of every offseason to become a more well rounded player.

      • ruston11 - Aug 2, 2014 at 1:18 PM

        @lakeshoreleafsfan it sounds like he hurt your feelings because you know he’s right

    • pitpenguinsrulez - Aug 2, 2014 at 1:52 PM

      If Crosby lead your Queafs to a Stanley Cup victory you wouldn’t be bashing him.

    • c9castine - Aug 2, 2014 at 6:15 PM

      im curious as to why you would have the word success in quotation marks and would be shocked if you give me a decent explanation

  4. pone27 - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    I am a Hawks fan, so I will right off the bat say that my opinions will be slightly biased.

    But with all the Crosby haters out there, and there are many, you have to admit Sid is the best offensive player in the game today, zero debate on that.

    All around skills, well that’s when I have to give it to Tazer. Not only does this guy show true, genuine leadership, he is arguably the best all around player in the NHL. Guy almost is a PPG player, and nearly a 30 goal scorer. Top that off with being one of the best faceoff players in the league, and easily one of the top defensive forwards in the game and you have yourself IMO the best all around guy in the league.

    I understand that it is next to impossible to say that if you take all of your fan biased thoughts out the window, and the league started from scratch and you have the first overall pick to select any hockey player in the world, to pass up on Sid first is definitely a tough pill to swallow. But I can bet that these two would go 1-2 in many, many drafts.

    Except blomfeld or whatever your name is. You would take Dustin Brown (insert some google’d poem with words completely out of his dictionary, and insert some Elvis video that only he could find on youtube and probably 3% of the community on here knows.)

    • blomfeld - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:28 AM

      BACK OFF PONE !!! … SERIOUSLY

      “invite the infidel to the River Jordan and there where the current is strongest, push him in so that he may drown like the rat he is” … Luke 33:8

      • jpelle82 - Aug 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

        your blasphemy makes me physically cringe when I read it

      • thesportsjudge - Aug 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM

        Why do you even read the trash blom posts? I skip directly to the thumbs-down.

    • jpelle82 - Aug 2, 2014 at 2:04 PM

      I normally wouldn’t and don’t but I have a scripturally trained eye and immediately was drawn to the format he used, it stands out if you are skimming a paragraph. knowing full well there is no chapter 33 in Luke I then had to read what he wrote, therefore completely falling into his trap….

      • 19to77 - Aug 2, 2014 at 6:49 PM

        You’ve never read Chapter 33? It’s a classic. The Second Coming happens, Jesus shows up in a Kings jersey, inappropriate quotation marks are strewn absolutely everywhere and Roberto Luongo is torn apart by lions. Good times, good times.

      • blomfeld - Aug 2, 2014 at 10:17 PM

        FU Sportsjudge ! … seriously

      • blomfeld - Aug 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM

        comrade 19to77 …

        hey man, you need to ‘seriously’ check out Chapter 34 ! … that’s the part where Jesus (replete in his King’s jersey with battle axe in hand) goes absolutely ‘postal’ on Ovechkin, leaving the gathered audience in a ‘stunned’ yet ‘reverent’ silence … definitely ‘good’ times man ! :)

        GO JESUS !!!

        GO ALL LA KING’S FANS SINCE 2012 !!! :) :) :)

    • theorei - Aug 5, 2014 at 2:29 PM

      I appreciate your effort to be unbiased. Nevertheless, I am still lead to believe that Crosby is the best all-around player.

      Even assuming that Crosby’s tremendous edge in productive output is not that important (36-68-104 compared to 28-40-68, a difference of 36 points!), Crosby’s defensive play and sheer dominance on both ends of the ice are still more impressive than Toews’, though he too is incredible.

      The advanced stats bear this out: http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard?players=7,83
      – Crosby was relied upon more by his team, playing against near-identical quality of competition while eating more minutes
      – He got fewer offensive zone starts than did Toews—50.4% compared to Toews’ 63.6%, implying that Toews spent an awful lot of time in the offensive zone, which explains his high corsi-for % and goals-for%. Crosby nearly matched his incredible CF% and GF%, while taking many more defensive starts and playing with noticeably worse teammates (QoT 30.4 vs. 31.6%)

      To illustrate how imbalanced the usage and quality of teammates were, look at Toews’ rel. GF% of 4.6%. This means that when Toews was on the ice, the Blackhawks’ goals for percentage was 4.6% more than when he wasn’t on the ice. Very good, right? Well, Crosby’s relative goals for % was 10.9%! That means that, if the Penguins’ GF% was 40% when Crosby wasn’t on the ice (ie. for every 4 goals they scored, 6 goals were scored against them), he single-handedly swung that back to the positive numbers—not just because he scored a lot, but because he prevented the other team from scoring a lot. The Penguins were a mediocre possession team, but when Crosby was on the ice they became a good possession team.

      Please don’t get me wrong. I love Toews and think he’s an incredible hockey player. But there’s a reason why Crosby is widely regarded as the best in the world, and his stats bear it out. He’s unbelievable offensively and he absolutely carries the team he plays on, on both ends of the ice. Both of these players are unreal. Crosby wins out.

  5. seniorteacherdot - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    Oviously these are not Pens and/or Crosby fans. They probably do not follow all the Pens games therefore it is bias that controls their comments! The players, coaches etc. all vote Crosby as the best right now. All these anti-Crosby commenters would love their team to have him. Since that is not on the cards they are safe, but they look foolish.

    • lakeshoreleafsfan - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:36 AM

      That’s not true. If the day ever came that it was announced that Sidney Crosby was now a Toronto maple Leafs, that is the day I would no longer be a Leafs fan and my loyalty to the team ends. So, your insinuation is incorrect

      • jpelle82 - Aug 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

        yeah right…no one believes you

  6. Albert T. - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    The whole Sidney Crosby whines, is a crybaby, and dives narrative is old and lazy. That was true to an extent when he first entered the league. Now those thing don’t really occur with him, at least not consistently. His next diving penalty will be his first. The argument could be made he gets special treatment because he is a superstar, but all star players get that treatment somewhat. His work ethic has never been questioned by his peers. He and Toews are both great players and deserve to be mentioned together. Crosby has had moments of failure in the playoffs, but still averages 1.2 PPG in the playoffs. To those who want to compare the two players, Toews averages .86 PPG, but also has one more cup. Both players play along side great teammates, so overall id say they’ve had similar degrees of success. This is coming from a neutral fan who just wants people to respect both players and what they’ve done.

  7. broadstreetbeatdown - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Umm, listening to that interview I understand that Toews was saying that he is honored to be considered one of the greatest hockey players.

    • 19to77 - Aug 2, 2014 at 6:51 PM

      Shhh, don’t spoil the clickbait headline.

  8. wutangwild - Aug 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    Give me Toews as a captain any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Wild/Blackhawks games have been great the past few years, see you in the playoffs Hawks fans

  9. jpelle82 - Aug 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    what is a month of august on pht without a crosby related debate? its like the us congress, neither side is conceding jack and no one will make any progress convincing the other of anything. wasting your breath, all of you

  10. Wineshard - Aug 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    I wouldn’t say Toews doesn’t whine – I recall Seabrook having to straighten him out in the penalty box a couple times when Toews kept taking stupid penalties. Not quite up to Crosby standards, but far from being a choir boy if you ask me.

  11. hockeyfan763 - Aug 2, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    When Sid doesn’t want to get knocked off the puck it’s very hard to do so. When he wants to draw a penalty he flops like a money grabbing politician. That is why he called a diver and if you don’t think he whines to the refs you have never watched him play. He owns all of those comments. That being said, he is a really good hockey player.

  12. enzod91 - Aug 2, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    Toews is the best all-around player in the league. Cindy is the best offensive player in the league. Ill take Toews anyday of the week…just as Team Canada’s head coach who is the better player…”whoever is playing with Toews”

  13. enzod91 - Aug 2, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    Toews is the best all-around player in the league. Cindy is the best offensive player in the league. Ill take Toews anyday of the week…just ask Team Canada’s head coach who is the better player…”whoever is playing with Toews”

  14. blackhawks2010 - Aug 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    Meanwhile Crosby has no business being in the same sentence as Toews in terms of leadership, respect and overall game. Crosby is a goal scorer- nothing more. Nothing wrong with being a great goal scorer, just that’s all he is. Has zero leadership.

    • blomfeld - Aug 2, 2014 at 10:16 PM

      “Crosby is a goal scorer, nothing more” …

      Fair enough friend … and Ovechkin is a ‘power play’ goal scorer, nothing more !

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