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PHT Morning Skate: Brodeur’s still available? Color Lamoriello unsurprised

Jul 31, 2014, 8:00 AM EST

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PHT’s Morning Skate takes a look around the world of hockey to see what’s happening and what we’ll be talking about around the NHL world and beyond.

Lou Lamoriello isn’t exactly shocked nobody’s signed Martin Brodeur yet. “When you’ve been in the game for as long as I have, you’re not surprised at anything.” (NHL.com)

Stars GM Jim Nill is apparently “engrossed” in advanced statistics. (Dallas Morning News)

Having left the NHL for the Swedish League, Mikael Samuelsson believes he still has plenty left in the tank. (TheScore)

Kyle Turris is looking forward to taking on a larger role in Ottawa. (Ottawa Citizen)

Examining the James Neal-to-Nashville trade, along with the “Malkin Effect” (SB Nation)

Cam Talbot wants to prove his rookie season for the Rangers was no fluke. (NHL.com)

  1. 950003cups - Jul 31, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    Marty has to give himself a chance to win 700 games.

    • govtminion - Jul 31, 2014 at 9:17 AM

      The trick is finding a GM who wants to help give him that chance, it seems. At this point, the best Brodeur can hope for seems to be waiting for a team to need a fresh option after an injury (like Dallas had last year) or a total collapse requiring a player’s replacement (like Edmonton had with Dubnyk). I don’t think at this point he’s getting a deal before training camp, at least- nothing against him, but August starts tomorrow and he hasn’t got a deal yet…

  2. raleighcaniac - Jul 31, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    Best goalie of all time IMO.

    • 19to77 - Jul 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM

      I sometimes wonder what all the rest of the players who skated for the Devils in the glory days think of Brodeur getting all the credit. He’s treated as the patron saint of goalies, but the team in front of him carried a huge amount of that weight by virtue of their strong defensive play. If you want the steadiest, most reliable goalie in the game, you go with Brodeur, as he was still posting elite numbers until his late thirties. If you want the outright best goalie in the game, though? That’s Hasek. Six Vezinas in a frickin’ row, all of which came during the height of the Devils franchise in the mid-to-late 90s. At the height of their respective careers, Brodeur simply could not beat Hasek for the title.

      • govtminion - Jul 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM

        You bring up a good point, but the same could be asked in reverse- would some of those guys on those Devils teams have as great of a career without Brodeur backing them up? And I don’t mean that as a swipe at the Devils- let’s look at the career of a guy like Joe Sakic with Patrick Roy behind him, and vice versa at whether Roy gets even near those two Colorado Cup wins without guys like Sakic and Foote in front of him.

        Hasek, much as I disliked him when he played, did what he did with what were usually pretty average Buffalo teams (or at least average compared to the Detroit/New Jersey/Colorado/Dallas superteams of the time). That, to me, puts him just a slight edge over Brodeur and Roy- and that’s coming from an Avalanche fan.

      • sheckyrimshot - Jul 31, 2014 at 11:55 AM

        Don’t forget his two Hart trophies. I have the utmost respect for Marty but Hasek was the most amazing goalie that I’ve ever seen. Still if it was game 7 of the Stanley cup finals and I could pick any goalie ever, it would be Patrick Roy. He was a killer.

      • kaptaanamerica - Jul 31, 2014 at 3:14 PM

        FYI. @govtminion , Patrick Roy won the cup with Montreal when he stood on his head in,, 1993… He was the major piece that won that cup for Montreal… The avs won their cups cause Roy was a big piece of that puzzle. No Roy, no cups.

      • mb30forlife - Jul 31, 2014 at 7:43 PM

        Yeah… its easy to say that when you are blind… Look back and watch the games. They were heavily out shot in a lot of games and or periods in many playoff runs and cup wins and Marty was there to make HUGE saves. The defense definitely helped but you cannot take anything away from brodeur. Look back at his yearly stats and you will see that the year AFTER Scott Stevens Retired. Brodeur recorded his highest amount of shut outs in that season.

        So yes, goaltending is a team effort but that is like saying Jonathan Quick isnt all that great because his team controls the puck very well and every one plays defense. There are plenty of games that he has kept them in and they are arguably the best TEAM Defensive team in the league right now.

    • nebbah306 - Jul 31, 2014 at 3:12 PM

      Not even the best goalie of his generation. Hasek is the best goalie of all time.

      Career GAA

      Hasek – 2.20
      Brodeur – 2.24

      Career Save Percentage

      Hasek .922
      Brodeur .912

      And finally
      Hasek – 6 Vezina’s in 16 NHL seasons
      Brodeur – 4 Vezina’s in 21 NHL seasons

      Put Hasek on those Brodeur teams and they would have won more than 3 SC’s. Hasek toiled away on a mainly average Buffalo team. What HOF defensemen did he play with there? Sure he had Lidstrom and Chelios in Detroit, but Brodeur had Scott Niedermayer and Scott Stevens.

      • kaptaanamerica - Jul 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM

        @nebbah, you are right. Hasek with six straight trophies gets the call for his generation onwards. I’d argue Bernie parent in the 70s was the best in that era.

      • 950003cups - Jul 31, 2014 at 4:01 PM

        The problem is people always look at stats and awards subject to opinions. The bottom line is. Without the hardware you didn’t get the job done when it counted most. A goalies job is to win. Martin Brodeur did have great defense in front of him. But too many fans who don’t know their butts from their elbows about hockey seem to conveniently forget that Brodeur WAS A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THE DEFENSE. He was called the 3rd defenseman. You know what Martin Brodeur did not have? Offense. He played with mediocre offense. With the exception of 2012, he never had any offensive threats on his teams. Hasek was great. No doubt, but he lacked a lot of what Brodeur had. I could argue that had Brodeur been on Haseks teams, they would’ve won a cup. It’s typical that ranger fans will say anything they can to discredit a 3x champion goalie. It seems to make the groundwork easier for when they start claiming Lindqvist to be the greatest of all time,
        Knowing at this point it’s over for him.

      • mb30forlife - Jul 31, 2014 at 7:44 PM

        You forget that Hasek played on a worse team so that gave him Leverage for the vezinas and the save percentage and career GAA was in a much shorter Career. If you look back at those numbers for the same amount of time Marty’s numbers will be better.

  3. wranglerick - Jul 31, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    Marty….play for $1.00 for the season….someone will sign ya.

    • 950003cups - Jul 31, 2014 at 10:28 AM

      I wouldn’t think it would bother Brodeur to sign for league minimum. Brodeur say for half of 2008/2009 season, came back and posted a shutout. I could see him training and keeping sharp until someone calls him up and posting a shutout in his first game. Even if were in December.

  4. braddavery - Jul 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    I don’t know the details. Why won’t the Devils resign him for just one more season as their backup so he can get to 700+ wins with them and be a lifer?

    • nebbah306 - Jul 31, 2014 at 3:22 PM

      They brought back Clemmenson to back up Schneider.

  5. raleighcaniac - Jul 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Didn’t his ex-wife take for half of his career earnings a few years back? Just maybe this guy needs to padding in his bank account before he’s done?

  6. mizzike20 - Jul 31, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    Hasek was at his best seeing 30+ shots a night. When he moved on to better teams like Detroit and Ottawa he put up very pedestrian numbers and his Cup came playing behind a stacked Red Wing team. In my opinion Belfour was the only goalie I’ve seen that put up dominant numbers seeing a heavy workload (his last years in Chicago and Toronto) or a light one (Dallas).

    • nebbah306 - Jul 31, 2014 at 3:25 PM

      Pedestrian numbers with Detroit? 114 wins, only 39 losses, .911 save percentage, 2.13 GAA and 20 shutouts in 176 games? Oh and he was 37, 39, 42 and 43 years old in his 4 seasons in Detroit. Not bad for an old man.

  7. devilsmetsgiants - Jul 31, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Brodeur’s best attributes were playing the puck and staying healthy. His stick handling was magnificent and helped make sure that chances were few for the opponents. As far as a puck stopper, I wouldn’t put him in the top 5 or 10 maybe. Hasek and Roy were the best I have seen. And it kills me to say, but Richter and Lundqvist were/are better at stopping the puck. Overall, I don’t think Brodeur was a better goalie than guys like Belfour or Joseph. He just had a better support group. My fellow Devil fans get a little overly dramatic and emotional over the guy.

    • 19to77 - Jul 31, 2014 at 10:21 PM

      One thing that should be emphasized with Marty is how long he stayed as good as he was. He was a top-tier goalie from about 1996-97 to 2008-09. Goalies can be lights-out for a season or two and then never play that well again. It’s not even that rare. But Brodeur spent over a decade at or near his best. That alone is a hugely impressive accomplishment for a goalie. How many one- or two-year hot streaks have we seen that result in a huge contract extension just in time for the guy to turn out to suck? Brodeur’s spent about three years over the hill, having posted no better than a .908 in that time, but he spent over a decade near the top. Very few goalies can say that.

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