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Subban seeking $8.5 million in arbitration, versus the Habs at $5.25 million

Jul 30, 2014, 10:10 AM EDT

From Ken Campbell of The Hockey News:

Try not to be too surprised at the numbers being reported. Is the Canadiens’ submission low for a Norris Trophy winner? Yep, it is. But that’s just how these things go. (And why players and clubs typically try to avoid actually going to arbitration, which can be an uncomfortable exercise for all involved.)

On that second tweet, see Ryan O’Reilly in Colorado as an example of a restricted free agent who was taken to arbitration by his club. In that case, the move was not received particularly well by the player and his agent, even if the two sides eventually settled on a two-year deal before an arbitrator actually got involved.

In Subban’s case, it would not be a huge shock if he and the Canadiens came to an agreement on a long-term contract before Friday’s hearing. The 25-year-old defenseman has said he wants to be a “lifer” in Montreal, and we’re quite certain the Habs would like to keep him for a while, too.

  1. 950003cups - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    Wow! That’s a spicy meatball!!!

    • leafsilluminati - Jul 31, 2014 at 3:52 AM

  2. esracerx46 - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Subban wins if it goes to arbitration. Maybe not the full 8.5, but close to it

    • chanceoffleury - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:26 AM

      Yeah. I mean Letang got 7.25 on an 8 year deal and he is the most comparable player signed under the new CBA. Subbans got a Norris, is younger, is asking for a shorter term, and is generally much healthier to boot. Montreal is just prolonging the inevitable. Either trade the guy or give him his huge long term contract. This road doesn’t have any other destination. Unless you want to include the one where PK walks as soon as he turns 27 and leaves Montreal with nothing.

    • cfol44 - Aug 1, 2014 at 11:45 AM

      I’m sure he’s looking for $7 mill per. I’m. OT a Habs fan at all, but love this kid, he plays like a rest most of the time, but he’s the real deal. Top 10 D player in the league, and he’s only 25. What is this organization doing messing with the best player???? What, they don’t have the money? Yeah right, very few players come along like this, and when they do, latch on and get something done before you piss him off and he just waits until he can leave. How can they low ball a player that can beat teams just by playing like a rat. He fits the mold of a Habs player 100%. It amazes me why they don’t just make him a solid offer and get it done. This is a huge reason why lots of players won’t consider going there. How needs the penny pinching and the micro media reports on your game every day. If you miss a pass in practice, it’s a major headline for the next 3 days in the media, who wants to deal with garbage like that??? This guy wants to stay, pay him and move on, if not trade him for some prospects because this team is a long way off from winning the cup again. Long way off, even if they get lucky in the next 2-3 years to win the East, unless your Boston, the west will destroy the East team. So stop the crap and sign him so the team can move on and start to get better. Without him there a low to middle of the pack team. Much better with him.

  3. withseidelinn - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    Brutal move by Bergevin. Gardiner gets $4.05 yesterday, and now they’re offering their best player/Norris winner $1.2 more than him? Doesn’t make sense. They have $11.6 million in cap space. Give him between $7-8. He has earned it. (This coming from the opposite of a Habs fan).

    • bsaures - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:40 AM

      The offers were made quite a while ago and also we cant all go by what the leafs offer their players if we did every above average dman would be making 7+ million per year

    • spezzdispenser - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:40 AM

      it’s a negotiating tactic… Bergevin lowballed and Subban asked too much. an arbitrator will probably award somewhere in the middle (around $7M) which is what he’s worth. everybody wins!

      • esracerx46 - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:48 AM

        He’s worth what someone would pay on the open market. As a right handed 25 year old Norris trophy winner I think the open market would pay quite a bit more than 7 million. Unfortunately he isn’t able to hit the open market

      • spezzdispenser - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:13 AM

        @esracerx46 I agree with you but the fact that he can’t hit the open market is what gives Montreal some advantage. that’s part of the reason the RFA rules exist.

      • avscup - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:18 AM

        Esracerx46- I agree with you that Subban wins if it gets to Arb but how can he be worth what a team would pay him on the open market? He’s an RFA so he will never hit the open market. Therefore, he is worth what an arb will decide or the sides agree to. That amount is much different than UFA.

    • avscup - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:56 AM

      You do understand how negotiations work…right?

  4. wutangwild - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    With the way the market is right now, 5.25 is not ANYWHERE near what he deserves/ is going to get. I know this is how arbitration works…but come on

    • rmccleary97 - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:41 PM

      I’m going to take thumbs down for this, and I’m OK with it – but it’s a real pet peeve.

      Subban doesn’t *deserve* $8.5 million – nor does any other player in the NHL. He may have earned the chance to be paid that amount by virtue of winning the Norris, his young age, and still untapped upside – but he doesn’t *deserve* that amount of money by simply existing, being a hockey player in the NHL, or anything else attributable to him.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 30, 2014 at 3:18 PM

        Does any professional athlete really deserve what they make? People are always going to complain every time a new record breaking contract hits the news, then it slowly becomes the status quo. NHL contracts have been escalating faster than I can remember but still guys are worth what the ever fluctuating market says.

      • 950003cups - Jul 30, 2014 at 3:49 PM

        And the NHL teams don’t “deserve” $150 ticket prices (not even a good seat). It’s not about what you deserve, its about what you could get from another payer. If nobody paid him $8.5 mil then he wont get it. If some team is willing to pay it, he’ll get it. Same as with ticket prices.

      • guitarhunterdude - Jul 30, 2014 at 6:29 PM

        Compared to what team owners (generally) make, player salaries are chump change. In any sport.

      • wutangwild - Jul 31, 2014 at 12:46 AM

        Ok I get what you’re saying, and I generally agree. But, it comes down to supply and demand. There is a small supply of players that generate the entertainment, production, marketing etc. to teams and a huge demand for being able to watch, buy jerseys etc. I understand where you’re coming from, and I hope you understood what I was trying to say. A wise man once said “Deserve’s got nuttin to do with it” :)

  5. norskhelgen - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    If Gardiner is worth 4.05 mill per and O’Reilly 6 mill, Subban is at least in the ballpark of 7.5-8.5. Montreal’s offer is a virtual slap in the face, even if it’s simply to try and meet somewhere in the middle.

    • nyrnashty - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:00 PM

      Agreed and he’s becoming one of the bigger faces of the NHL and a household name with non hockey fans in the U.S.! Right or wrong, it’s true and he is better than I thought he would be at this age. He’s going to get paid somewhere in that ballpark he is asking.

  6. hockey412 - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Isn’t Brooks Orpik making more than this next year? I understand it’s a lowball…but damn that’s an awfully offensive lowball.

  7. ribs108 - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    Take the decision and then get outta town. In any other city he’d be a TV star in the off-season and 100% popular. Truly bad luck to be drafted by those deadbeats in the only North American city where the public display of english is actually regulated – and now they’re being cheap with you, as well as benching you for every time you take a risk. Win another Norris and then leave – no matter what they offer you after the barn door’s been shut…

    • charlie24zz - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:57 AM

      This is just an arbitration tactic. PK will get signed longterm, in the $7-8.5 million range for the first couple of years, and then his AAV will probably increase to 8-9 million in the later years of his contract due to the salary cap rising.

      And deadbeats? As a Montrealer, I find that offensive. Yes, language laws are a bit wacky, but they are kept to preserve the French heritage in this great city. Without them, Montreal would just be another diluted, American-type city (hello Toronto). Leave your politically charged and xenophobic comments at home, you deadbeat.

      • phtjoey - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:24 PM

        ribs, matter of fact, the city of Montreal does not have a governing body within its political system that is responsible for regulating english. if you’re going to include political comments, then make sure you have the facts straight.

    • phtjoey - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM

      i agree. it may seem like taking as much as he can for no longer than 2 years and getting out in 2 years may be the way to go. on the other, behind the scenes i’m sure both parties are working to make a deal before friday.

      BTW ribs, Montreal is NOT the only NA city that has laws protecting the language of origin, which is french.

      • ribs108 - Jul 30, 2014 at 4:42 PM

        There’s no governing body that regulates english? Try the provincial website; to see that english IS regulated. Guys going around private businesses with rulers to make sure english is, at most, half the size as french, in cases that english is allowed at all and inspectors trying to change menus to read “pâtes” instead of “pasta”. I’m just stating that playing in Montreal IS different than other cities. For instance, the highest taxes in North America. When PK has kids they would have to learn french, even in a private school. These are just some of the different things to consider for players that the public should know about when it comes to them picking cities. We often hear of how freezing it is in Winnipeg, which hurts attracting players, so I’m just politely pointing out what potentially makes players avoid Montreal, which also has a press that obsesses on getting the Habs onto the front page. When captain Koivu (whom the french press continually hassled to learn french – funny how that wasn’t an issue with the American Gionta) had his eye injury, a press photographer snuck into his hospital room and took a front page picture of his face. So that might also influence a player who’d prefer not having his privacy invaded by the press. So, it’s not politics, just things that make your great city different in the eyes of professional athletes. Thank-you for listening!

      • phtjoey - Jul 30, 2014 at 5:37 PM

        Ribs, provincial web site…. That is correct. The language regulatory body is not within the city of Montreal. It is a provincial entity. Therefore, every city in the Province of Quebec is subject to the same linguistic rigors. read my comment again. Montreal is NOT the only city I’m NA that must adhere to the linguistic laws. Furthermore, there are many many countries that have language regulations.

  8. billiam55 - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM

    its all about the money

  9. stepanup - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    I feel awesome about McDonagh’s contract right now.

    • 19to77 - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:43 AM

      You should feel awesome about the trade, too. Lord knows the Habs friggin’ don’t.

    • 19to77 - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:48 AM

      You should feel awesome about the trade, too. Lord knows the Habs don’t. Woo, Scott Gomez!

    • withseidelinn - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:01 PM

      Probably the best bargain for that quality of D-man in the league right now.

    • billiam55 - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:12 PM

      and the funny thing is McDonagh is 10x better than Subban is. what a great deal that was.

      • stixzidinia - Jul 30, 2014 at 3:56 PM

        Keep telling yourself that. The rangers would trade McDonagh plus assets for Subban and not even think twice about it.

      • bsaures - Jul 30, 2014 at 4:10 PM

        Subban’s norris trophy, first team all star, olympic gold medal seem to say otherwise

      • garyn1183 - Jul 30, 2014 at 6:14 PM

        McDonagh’s 10 points and +3 to Subban’s 2 points and -1 along with the NYR series win in the ECF show McD doesn’t take a backseat to PK. I’m certainly not saying McD is 10x better but I am saying there would be NO chance the Rangers would trade McDonagh even up for Subban much less give assets. Especially not with where PK’s contract is going and McD being locked up at 4.7 for the next 6 years.

        Also, I don’t think the Olympic gold medal is a strong case for PK being better considering he got it for spectating.

      • guitarhunterdude - Jul 30, 2014 at 6:33 PM

        Ha, because one series outweighs an entire career. Right…

      • 19to77 - Jul 30, 2014 at 9:21 PM

        garyn, are you familiar with the expression “fun with small sample sizes”?

  10. stixzidinia - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    The Habs are lowballing him. He deserves at least 7.5 based on fair market value.

  11. c1md6 - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    With those demands subban will dive right into the open market.

    • thesportsjudge - Jul 30, 2014 at 2:04 PM

      +1 on that goal!

  12. charastein - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    Cheap Habs.

  13. sumkat - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    8.5 is probably a bit hight

    5.25 is crazy low for the current Norris Trophy winner.

    If those are the numbers going into arbitration, I don’t see how Subban doesn’t win

    • bl1nk8fan2529 - Jul 30, 2014 at 6:05 PM

      He is not the current Norris Trophey winner Duncan Keith is.

  14. dboldave - Jul 30, 2014 at 2:23 PM

    Sooner or later you pay for high end talent or you lose it. Delaying a big deal only costs you in the long run.

  15. jinx21fan - Jul 30, 2014 at 11:53 PM

    As a Leaf’s fan I get to hear about Clarkson all the time from my Montreal friends. My question, how’s that “bridge” contract looking now for Subban? Yeah, that’s what I though.

  16. tross16 - Jul 31, 2014 at 6:42 AM

    Andy Greene 5 mil pk 5.25 lmfao I don’t think so! Pay the damn guy he’s a horse!

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