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Parenteau says Avs didn’t have a plan for him

Jul 21, 2014, 9:00 AM EDT

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One of the more intriguing trades of the offseason saw somewhat-underrated forward P.A. Parenteau get traded from the Colorado Avalanche to the Montreal Canadiens for “clutch” but often-criticized forward Daniel Briere.

To a decent number of stats-leaning types (not meaning those who lean toward playoff scoring stats), it seemed like a landslide victory for the Canadiens.

Sometimes the numbers involved in a trade can obscure the human element. Like, say, when a head coach and a player simply don’t see eye-to-eye.

It seems like Parenteau and Patrick Roy got off on the wrong foot and never really recovered, according to what the 31-year-old forward told Le Journal de Montreal. To avoid browser translator headaches, the basic vibe was this: Parenteau felt like he was never really part of the plan in Colorado and saw a trade coming a mile away.

OK, full disclosure: it’s tough not to linger on the on-paper disparity between Parenteau and Briere a little bit. This post’s main image is perfect: Roy hovering unhappily over an equally or even more unhappy Parenteau (seen to the right of Nathan MacKinnon) all the way back in a preseason game.

Break things down from most perspectives and the advantage seems heavy for Parenteau; his possession stats are basically universally more promising and he scored more points (Parenteau collected 33 in 55 games) than Briere did in fewere opportunities (Briere scored 25 points in 69 games).

Of course, Briere’s playoff numbers give at least some credence to the belief that he might be a “big-game player” even as his overall game seems to wane at age 36.

One way or another, the Avalanche seem to be doing things their way. It remains to be seen if hindsight will prove that to be a wise direction.

(H/T to The Score)

  1. polegojim - Jul 21, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    This is a ‘MEH’ moment. PA was mediocre for the Avs, I like their decision to mix it up with some experience.

    Nothing really lost and some potential gain with Briere’s experience.

    • avscup - Jul 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM

      Mediocre might even be a compliment. I remember when they picked him up from NYI and I was hopeful. Just never really seemed to convert all the opportunities given to him and was not hard to play against in his own end. A lateral trade at worst.

      • bsaures - Jul 21, 2014 at 11:20 AM

        How is putting up .74 ppg not converting especially when for the majority of the games the coach was actively trying to make you not suceed

      • avscup - Jul 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

        Made to not succeed by playing you on a line with Duchene and Tanguay or o’reilly and Mackinnon?

        He was just fair and perhaps he can have a good career in MTL. There is a reason NYI unloaded him after he played with Tavares. PA has had the benefit of being on top lines with top players and I think those teams would rather have higher talent playing with those top lines. .74 PPG is impressive on it’s own until you see who he was with. It should have been higher. He is easy to play against in his own end and thus not a favorite of a goalie/coach (Roy) and if he is simply an offensive threat, .74ppg doesn’t cut it at his contract.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

        I’m sorry but it’s not a lateral move, and certainly not “at worst”. The Avs got the short end of this deal (at least in production terms). I can understand the Avs wanting to get out of Parenteau’s final year on his deal, but if you’re expecting the clutch Briere it’s asking too much. I’ve watched him for a long time and there’s a reason he was moved two straight years. Briere is a great lockerroom presence but on the ice he’s nothing more than an undersized defensive liability. Parenteau has far more production left in him and I’d expect a 50 point season with Montreal this year. For Danny I’d say about 12 goals and 30 or so points is the limit. And if the Avs make the playoffs again don’t expect the 09-10 playoff Briere to show up… he just doesn’t have much left.

        Your quote about Parenteau… “just never really seemed to convert all the opportunities given to him and was not hard to play against in his own zone”, can be easily applied to Briere.

      • avscup - Jul 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

        Fair enough. Let’s see what happens!

      • bsaures - Jul 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

        The reason nyi let him go was because they were cheap and didnt want to pay him what he is worth. He will be playing with good players in montreal with plenty of pp time so to expect 60-70 points isnt totally unreasonable. Briere on the other hand will be lucky to get 30 points

    • bricevjohnson - Jul 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

      It seems the unanimous for most fans outside of the Colorado fanbase that Montreal won this trade by a landslide. I don’t think last year’s stats are indicative of determining the winner of this trade at this point.

      For a player who was fell out of favour in Colorado, Parenteau still managed to get more than enough opportunities with the top two lines. In the case of Briere, he was essentially relegated to third and fourth line duties from the get go, rarely being placed in position to succeed. Both Parenteau and Briere are fairly linear players, but Briere (at this point in his career) can be successful with limited, yet quality time on the ice, similarly to how Colorado effectively used Tanguay before injuries took him out for the remainder of the season. Roy will likely slot him in as a floating 2nd B/3rd line center, but he’ll allow him play his offensive game instead of pretending to be 3rd/4th line grinder in a defense-first Therrien system. Parenteau in the mean time needs nothing short of first line minutes in order to be successful, requiring players who will create opportunities for him, and will still promise you a minus +/- season in his best years due to his virtually none existent defensive zone coverage during his 19+ average minutes of ice time.

      Briere is past his prime, but I can still see him putting up 45-50 points if he stays healthy under Roy. He’ll get the opportunity to do so and he’ll get managed quality ice time as compared to the leftover minutes with the Habs. Habs fans can rejoice all they like during the off season, they’ll learn very early on that Parenteau looks a lot better on paper then he does when he’s killing you on the ice.

      • bsaures - Jul 21, 2014 at 12:05 PM

        You obviously didnt watch briere last year he was given way to many opportunities in the top 6 he played almost the entire season with either pacioretty and desharnis (who not coincidently struggled while he was on their l8ne) and plekanec and gionta. He finished the year on the 4th line because he had played so poorly they had to bring in vanek to replace him and guys like dale weise were badly outplaying him.

      • bricevjohnson - Jul 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM

        Winnipeg and Montreal are my 2nd and 3rd favourite teams respectively, so I in fact watched Briere play quite often. When he did play with the top lines, it was extremely limited, for maybe a period. This is a guy who averaged about 12 minutes of ice time per game, he didn’t have nearly enough opportunity as you have exaggerated.

        Briere didn’t play his best hockey with the Habs last seasons, but I do say he’ll flourish under Roy. It’ll take the season to start to prove this right or wrong, so I suppose we’ll have to let time be the judge of that.

      • bsaures - Jul 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM

        Montreal is my favorite team I watched every single game except for 2 last year (and he was hurt during those games) looking at his game log it wasnt until after he got hurt that his ice time dropped. For the first 20 games he was averageing 14+ mins a night which for a 35 year old undersized forward is more than enough. They were premier ofensive mins as well. He didnt move around every period like you claimed either. In the end for 12:46 avg ice time with no defnsive responsibility over the year and you cant even put up
        .40 ppg is just sad

      • polegojim - Jul 21, 2014 at 12:58 PM

        Why do you all think PA fell out of favor?

        Results and Return didn’t equate to investment and he did little to establish his place. Period.

        I’d trust Roy and Co on this one folks.

      • rsmaggiemae - Jul 21, 2014 at 10:09 PM

        If Briere gets 45-50 points with the Avs, this player wont be named Danny, it must be another Briere… he is past his prime… why didnt the Habs keep him, if he was so valuable to them?

  2. bsaures - Jul 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Good pickup for montreal getting a playr on pace for 50 points almost all of which are 5 on 5 for a player who produced significantly less with more opportunities

    • welch3319 - Jul 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM

      50 points playing with Tavares, Duchene and Mackinnon… unless Mtl drafted a knew center that I don’t know about ?? I hightly doubt P.A breaks 50 points

      • bsaures - Jul 21, 2014 at 10:35 PM

        They do have a player that scored the 4th most goals last year who he will likely get to play with he will be fine

  3. jernster21 - Jul 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    huh? When did PA wear an alternate captain ‘A’?

    • shaundre93 - Jul 21, 2014 at 1:14 PM

      The article said that pic was from a preseason game, he probably just happened to be one of the few vets on the team that night so they slapped the “A” on him.

      • jernster21 - Jul 21, 2014 at 1:31 PM

        Reading > Me.

  4. flyboystransport - Jul 21, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    And briere still produced in the playoffs. Last season had what 5 goals as a 4th liner in the playoffs? Still one of the most clutch playoff performers so if they get far in the playoffs this will be a good trade for the avs

  5. dmspear - Jul 22, 2014 at 1:09 AM

    There’s a lot more to this deal than stats. PA was beggining to fall out of favor with the Avs. With Tanguay coming back from injury and McGinn playing very well, PA was going to primarily see 3rd line playing time. They would have been paying him $4 million for 2 more years to play 3rd line. They decided to try to trade him and the market was very slim, so they traded for Brierre at $4 million. Brierre will bring needed play off experience and the Avs only have to pay Brierre $4 million for 1 year. If Brierre works out they will resign him for cheaper. If he doesn’t then they just freed up $4 million for resigning and bringing in some more talent a year earlier than if they had kept PA. If you look at the big picture, this is a lateral trade where both teams get what they are ultimately looking for.

  6. dolphincult - Jul 22, 2014 at 1:21 AM

    Wow. I cant believe how high people are on Parenteau. This deal is a wash.

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