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PHT Morning Skate: That Lindros story that’s making the rounds

Jul 17, 2014, 9:08 AM EDT

Eric Lindros Philly

PHT’s Morning Skate takes a look around the world of hockey to see what’s happening and what we’ll be talking about around the NHL world and beyond.

Ex-NHL referee Paul Stewart, now blogging for Huffington Post, make some waves yesterday with an anecdote about Eric Lindros during Lindros’ rookie campaign. (HuffPo)

Sidney Crosby won the “Best NHL Player” award at last night’s ESPYs. (NHL.com)

On Nashville’s low-risk, high-reward offseason. (SB Nation)

Ottawa’s Stephane Da Costa is one of the big reasons France has made a significant push on the international hockey scene. (Pressconnects)

The Florida Panthers won’t rush Mike Matheson — the defenseman taken in the first round (23rd overall) at the 2012 draft — into the NHL. (NHL.com)

Veteran NHLer Taylor Pyatt knows his 13-year NHL career might be done, so he’s considering options in Europe. (Thunder Bay News Watch)

  1. tyler4richardson - Jul 17, 2014 at 9:16 AM

    The only Lindros story that matters is the one where Elvis Stoijko kicks his ass.

    • myspaceyourface - Jul 17, 2014 at 4:15 PM

      This ranks up there for me.

      • broadstreetbeatdown - Jul 18, 2014 at 12:49 AM

        I prefer Crosby getting his brains scrambled, but hey thats just me.

  2. rbbbaron - Jul 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM

    “Low-risk, high-reward? No, never heard of it,” says modern-day Ken Holland

  3. reeggss - Jul 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    What a great article by Paul Stewart

    • smarterthantheauthor - Jul 17, 2014 at 10:44 AM

      As a TB fan, it’s pretty scary to think how we all once felt Gratton was awesome. I’m ashamed of that.

      • c9castine - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:14 PM

        i just commented on another article about the ridiculous amount of money he got paid

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM

        Yeah we in Philly are guilty of it too. Fortunately the honeymoon only lasted a handful of games before we realized he was a total waste. He should’ve been the perfect #2C behind Lindros but instead he completely misused his talent. And, according to this article, was an incessant whiner as well. No big surprise there.

      • flyboystransport - Jul 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM

        Gratton got too much hype for no reason. All he was was a checking line center which with the flyers already having brindamour at the time made no sense

  4. justanotherphillyfan - Jul 17, 2014 at 9:57 AM

    They don’t make Lindros -kinda players anymore thats sad! We need a new Lindros-factory in junior.

    The only player who comes a little bit close to Lindros is Tom Wilson of the Capitals, (trade for him) not afraid of anything and would drop his gloves with almost anybody if he has to but on the other side he also lacks the scoring and vision part of the game that Lindros had.

    Eric Lindros – 75 points – 150PM (rookie year).
    Tom Wilson – 10 Points – 150PM (rookie year).

    • WillIEverSeeACupInMyLife? - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM

      Just another philly fan that wants tough guy fighters and not a cup…..

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:35 PM

        Give it a rest. How can you actually listen to a guy who’s trying compare Tom Wilson and Eric Lindros? That’s idiotic. And you’re doing nothing but putting forth an equally asinine stereotype that’s completely untrue. Of course Philly fans are not averse to fighting, but I’d like you to find one legitimate Flyers fan who would rather see fights than a Cup return to the City. It’s impossible.

      • broadstreetbeatdown - Jul 18, 2014 at 12:41 AM

        Yup its confirmed. You sir are an idiot.

  5. eagles512 - Jul 17, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    Paul Stewart sounds like a d’bag ref. Personal feelings shouldn’t affect the way you call a game.

    • JoeAvg - Jul 17, 2014 at 10:07 AM

      But they will. They’re only human beings.

      • micasa81 - Jul 17, 2014 at 12:34 PM

        True enough, but some human beings are exceptionally good at stuffing their personal feelings and being robotically impartial. This guy is clearly not one of those people.

    • micasa81 - Jul 17, 2014 at 12:30 PM

      Yeah, I agree. This guy loves the spotlight, loves to hold forth about his fantastical reffing exploits, loves talking about how smart he is…pretty much the last type of person you want as a ref. Read Kerry Fraser’s stories, and the tone is completely different. He realises that the value of his experience is being able to show his audience a unique perspective on the people they’re really interested in: the players; and how a ref decides in the heat of the moment to mete out justice. Paul, on the other hand, seems to think he was always the most interesting person on the ice (which is laughable considering he was the ref). I’m sure the players loooved that act.

    • c9castine - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM

      i agree paul stewart was KNOWN for calling the game the way he saw fit, not the way it was supposed to be called.

      i will say this, he was not a pens fan. he basically tried to beat the penguins for the capitals in the 97 playoffs and it didnt work.

    • imleftcoast - Jul 17, 2014 at 3:20 PM

      I totally agree. No one is buying a ticket to watch that idiot ref. I’m sure Lindros didn’t know those poster were going to go to charity when he ripped them up. And Yzerman is pretty universally respected to be on the top 5 whiners list.

  6. JoeAvg - Jul 17, 2014 at 10:11 AM

    Man if Lindros was that cocky with a ref as a rookie….

    • govtminion - Jul 17, 2014 at 10:35 AM

      “I’m not saying KILL him, Scott, but… you know, if you see #88 with his head down, sometimes things happen, right? Anyway, check’s in the mail if you do… say, you spell it ‘STEVENS’, right, with a ‘V’ and not a ‘PH’? Thanks man- hey, if you do drop him, make sure to tell him Paul Stewart says ‘hi’.”

  7. Wineshard - Jul 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    I miss the “old refs”. They had some sort of personality, which I think the players also appreciated. They seemed to communicate more openly and players knew where they stood throughout the game.

    I don’t see a: VanHelamond (sp), Fraser, Koharski or Stewart in today’s NHL. Too bad IMO.

    • claudegirwho - Jul 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM

      I’m pretty sure refs are still talkative with the players I’ve seen it on the pens in the room and also on 24/7 I would love if they mic’d the refs some more for us to hear. I’ll never forget in pens in the room the ref comes over yelling “f*** you both! F*** you both! Your both out of here!

  8. purpleguy - Jul 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Wonder if anyone saved those ripped up posters? They’d probably be worth something now.

  9. geejon - Jul 17, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    Jerk or not, I wish the league had more players like Lindros. Too many games in today’s NHL feel like glorified exhibitions. Very few “characters”, little hitting (everything’s a penalty nowadays) … some games come and go and you thought you were watching figure skating. No one wants to watch a bunch of goons skating around but it’s gone way too far towards the other end of the spectrum IMO. The days of legit power forwards (Lindros/Shanahan) and d-men who chose taking the body over stick-checks (Stevens/Beukeboom) seem gone for good and that’s not a good thing.

    • hockey412 - Jul 17, 2014 at 2:26 PM

      As good as Lindros was, you do know that he very rarely was able to finish (or start) a season due to concussions/other injuries, which was because of being a “character” right? Hard to win a cup that way.

      Not that I’d think anyone would argue that a physical game isn’t entertaining – but I don’t know that I agree that these guys aren’t out there these days. But guys also seem to keep the prize in mind these days.

      • geejon - Jul 17, 2014 at 2:58 PM

        Guys are turning away from hits like never before. The game is being whistled differently and it’s made them scared to death that they’ll pick up boarding or charging majors. You see guys whistled for completely clean checks that just “looked” like they should be penalties but in reality were completely clean and so guys don’t even want to risk it.

        It’s happening in football as well. Every week safeties are called for totally clean (even under new rules) hits on receivers and so they’re being forced to adapt even more.

        The new information regarding concussions have changed the sports and it’s understandable but it’s swung so far in the other direction that at times the games are barely recognizable.

  10. narfmoo12 - Jul 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    So Lindros got called for penalties that other players wouldn’t because the ref didn’t like him. That’s not a good statement for the NHL

    • avscup - Jul 17, 2014 at 12:34 PM

      Think that doesn’t happen the NBA, NFL?

      • Hard to BeLeaf - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:10 PM

        Yes, but you don’t expect the refs to admit they did it all on purpose. They’re supposed to be professionals.

      • avscup - Jul 17, 2014 at 7:26 PM

        Perhaps you should re-read the article. I don’t think he said he was biased or unfair.

    • rmccleary97 - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:54 PM

      There were bench clearing brawls in the NHL in the 70s. Probably also not a good statement for today’s NHL.

      :rolleyes:

      • narfmoo12 - Jul 17, 2014 at 7:25 PM

        If you can’t figure out the difference between a hockey fight and a ref calling penalties based on his like/dislike of a player, then I’m impressed that you were even able to get on the internet.

  11. ironmd778 - Jul 17, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    You didn’t read it apparently. Stewart said every penalty Lindros got was deserved. He just didn’t get breaks. I love it.

    Great blog by Stewart. Highly recommend that read.

    • narfmoo12 - Jul 17, 2014 at 7:26 PM

      Then the issue is that he didn’t give penalties to people he liked but who also deserved them.

      • micasa81 - Jul 17, 2014 at 7:35 PM

        Bingo.

  12. charastein - Jul 17, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    Lindros is a cry baby d-bag. A rookie should have more respect and class.

    I never liked him and now I just have another reason justify it.

    • rmccleary97 - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Jul 18, 2014 at 12:43 AM

      But not as big of a cry baby d-bag as Crysby. Thats a known fact.

  13. wranglerick - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    Hey….my team had brett !

  14. Hard to BeLeaf - Jul 17, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    That Lindros story drudges itself up every few years. He’s given more to charities throughout his career than anyone complaining about the posters ever has, so I don’t see the point of holding his actions as a teenager against him.

    Plus, it’s not like people don’t know Lindros was somewhat of a dbag. The league knew what kind of person he was when the Nordiques drafted him and he was anything but humble.

  15. pitpenguinsrulez - Jul 17, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    That article was really enjoyable to read over lunch.

  16. flyboystransport - Jul 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Good stories for a book…..however I did hear that about lindros

  17. girouxvy - Jul 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM

    1. At the time, Lindros’ father was hated around the League for the stand against Quebec, so for Paul Stewart (a known ball buster) to ask how his Dad is, was to get under Lindros’ skin. I’m sure most of us can relate.
    2. Comments on Deadspin about Lindros’ concussions at the hands of Stevens and Kasparitits are demented and revolting.
    3. Tearing up the posters is bad. Know what’s good? A 5-million dollar donation in building of Hospital.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 17, 2014 at 10:21 PM

      Thank you, of course none of the Lindros haters noticed that he was somewhat provoked with that comment about his dad. And Paul Stewart glosses over that aspect as if Lindros hated him simply bc of the delayed puck drop. It was childish to tear up the posters, there’s no arguing that, but id imagine that Lindros would have a different take on how their tenuous relationship started. Also, lets remember this was a 19-20 year old kid who was told by everyone that he was on par with the games greatest before he skated in an NHL game, that would inflate most folks opinion of themselves.

      Also I think it was really unprofessional for a ref to take a players personality into his criteria for calling penalties. The guys in the striped shirts are not supposed to let personal preference or grudges affect their decisions; or, atleast not admit it openly.

  18. broadstreetbeatdown - Jul 18, 2014 at 12:46 AM

    Paul Stewart is a bigger douche bag than Lindros, Fleury, Gratton, etc etc. put together. That is also a well known fact. His fellow officials even thought so. If any official ever deserved to be spit on it was Stewart.

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