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Report: Avs, O’Reilly likely headed to arbitration

Jul 10, 2014, 2:42 PM EDT

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From the Denver Post:

Negotiations toward a new, long-term contract between the Avalanche and left wing Ryan O’Reilly proved fruitless, so the parties are headed to arbitration on July 23, an NHL source said.

While the Avs and O’Reilly could still avoid arbitration by agreeing to a deal before that, such a prospect appears unlikely.

The Avs filed for arbitration last month — a move that didn’t sit particularly well with O’Reilly’s agent, Pat Morris.

“Ryan’s unrestricted in two years, and under the model now – given that Colorado has [filed for arbitration] – short-term looks like what the future is for Ryan going forward, possibly year to year, or for the next two years,” said Morris.

It’s worth wondering how much pressure the loss of Paul Stastny in free agency has put on Avs management to get O’Reilly signed to a long-term deal. We’d wager the pressure is considerable.

That being said, there’s a salary “structure” in Colorado, with Matt Duchene‘s five-year, $30 million deal ($6 million cap hit) being a crucial building block of that structure. No player on the Avs has a higher cap hit than Duchene’s, and the Avs would probably like to keep it that way.

If this does go to arbitration, O’Reilly will have the choice of a one-year or two-year award.

  1. jpelle82 - Jul 10, 2014 at 3:07 PM

    hold out, arbitration, arbitration again. tired hearing about this guy and his rich people problems

    • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 3:38 PM

      He’s only exercising the options available to him to get a contract that pays him his value. Maybe the Avs should stop being so cheap before they watch O’Reilly follow Stastny out the door. If they can’t pay him, maybe they should trade him to a team that will.

      • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM

        Wrong. They were willing to give him a fair contract last time but he held out and opened the door for Calgary to blow that up. 2 year $10 million prorated that lockout season leaving him $6.5 this year. He is basing his demands on this season which was a fluke. He is not a $6.5 player and his comparable will be Jamie Benn. If you were Sakic, how do you justify him at $6.5 over Duchene and Landy at $6? O’Reilly needs to be realistic or it’s goodbye. He isn;t worth more than Duchy or Landy but equal on a long term deal is fair.

        If he is realistic and fair, he will be treated well otherwise, adios ahole.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 3:59 PM

        Its market value. That is realistic. Sorry if the Avs don’t want to play the market value game. That arrogance is going to cost them. They already lost Stastny to a division rival, RoR is next.

      • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:24 PM

        BTW, they were not cheap with Stastny, they let him walk because they are deep at center and didn’t feel like he was worth what he got. I think they made the right choice. They need to get ROR worked out but not at an unrealistic number.

      • jpelle82 - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:24 PM

        he has 198 pts in 345 games, a career minus player on a pretty bad team until last year. since when does .57 ppg get you north of 6.5 million per year? Duchene is .78 ppg. he wasn’t even a 1st round pick, yet you want to give him more money than your gold medal winning superstar? he’s a little bit arrogant and comes off as an entitled brat if you ask me.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM

        “yet you want to give him more money than your gold medal winning superstar? ”

        Then trade him. See? That was easy.

        And if the Avs were so deep at center, they would have traded Stastny the summer before. Deep at center? Yup. But you just let talent walk, and are about to do it again. In a parity driven, salary cap league, you can’t afford to do that for long before it bites you.

      • bricevjohnson - Jul 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM

        They are deep at the center position as far as numbers, but no team with half a mind is going to risk throwing off whatever chemistry they have by trading a top two line center going in to the playoffs. As well, having a number of centermen doesn’t necessarily mean they are all ready to step into top line rolls. MacKinnon needed some playoff experience and a summer to work on his craft. He wasn’t exactly a faceoff winning machine, nor a juggernaut in his own end. Hishon is just now getting back on track after almost 2 full years of issues relating to a severe concussion. Bleackley is not NHL ready, though based on his position and style of play, the pick seems like a ‘just in case O’Reilly leaves’ move for a few years down the road.

        It’s easy to say “then trade him” when you obviously have no care for the situation, nor how it affects on the team. The problem is that the team still need to manage their cap situation the best they can before giving players a big pay day, regardless of what the market demands. Chicago just paid Kane and Toews 10.5 million per year, but that was after having success and letting time and success gradually increase the worth of their contracts. O’Reilly may very well get his 6 million+ contract in the future, but him and his agent insist on wanting too much too soon with very little to show for it.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 5:39 PM

        They gambles on Stastny and lost. Good for them that they got Iginla to replace his offense, but that won’t last for long. When RoR wins two cups and plays at the level of Kane/Toews, then he can demand $10.5 mil.. But he’s not. He (and we don’t know exactly what he is asking for) is likely asking $6.5 mil, what Calgary was willing to pay him, and what sever other teams might be looking to pay him as well. Yes, and arbitrator will likely give him less, but if the Avs don’t make him happy, he’s going to walk, and then I guess the Avs can go grab he next 37 yo to fill his place.

        If then are fine with that, then cool. They’d have made Duchene feel special, and will ask more of him as help walks out the door. But, as I said, in a parity salary cap league, mismanaging your assets will only cause you problems.

    • desertfan - Jul 10, 2014 at 9:50 PM

      Guys- he is NOT filing for arbitration- the team is.

  2. avfanforlife - Jul 10, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    I wish we could find out how much he is asking for… I have no problem matching Duchene’s #’s per year and going long term with ROR, but how much more is he thinking he is worth? AV’s have just under 10mil cap space right now and still need to sign Barrie…

    • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 3:48 PM

      Duchene is not the bar. Kane & Toews just set the bar. RoR is worth more than $6 mil a season if this contract is going into his UFA years. Maybe The $6.5 he was paid this season is what he was aiming for.

      • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM

        Kane and Toews are not a realistic comparable so no they are not the bar. Both have been in the league longer (2 years) and have produced more points seasonally.

        Duchene on the other hand is a comparable as he was taken in the same draft.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM

        I didn’t say they are comparable, I said they are the bar. If they are worth $10.5 mil, RoR is worth more than $6 mil.

        Maybe the Avs get an arbitration deal under $6 mil, but it will cost them when he walks to FA. If they want to keep him long term, they need to keep him happy.

      • avfanforlife - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:07 PM

        The Chicago contracts don’t even belong in the ROR discussions, which I am sure Mr. Morris is planning on doing. Apples and Oranges there. $6 mil is a significant raise for Ryan and more than fair. The arbitrator will most definitely see that because of Ryan’s performance, he’ll receive a higher salary now, but I am not sure what the CBA limit actually is – 15% maybe? Unfortunately, we’ll be back doing the same thing in two years. I bet the AV’s would go longer term and more money per year than what Ryan actually ends up with in arbitration. I also believe that the team can say no to the decision, but ROR must abide.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM

        In two years, RoR will be gone. A 25 year old 1/2 center will get PAID….

      • avfanforlife - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

        True – he may be gone in two years, or maybe he will have proven himself to be worth 7-8 mil, Av’s go deep into the playoffs or even a Cup win, and management steps up. That is definitely a possibility now. I hope ROR is an Av for many years to come!

      • jpelle82 - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:57 PM

        you lost all credibility with the toews kane comparison… they aren’t worth 10.5 million and are not indicative of the market… they are like what your home value looked like in 2007 before that bubble burst. hopefully you didn’t refinance that year….just like the ‘hawks will wish they hadn’t when this cap levels out in 2-3 years and they are crippled.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM

        Hello, did you not see where I said they aren’t comparable, but that they raised the bar? If RoR was worth 60% of the hightest paid forward in the NHL, he was worth $5.7 mil 2 days ago, but worth $6.3 today.

  3. jernster21 - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM

    Ryan O’Reilly thinks he’s worth at least 6.5 million because the 2nd year of his offer sheet was for 6.5 million (5 million cap hit).

    Duchene: Career GP/G/A/P: 337 / 105 / 158 / 263
    O’Reilly: Career GP/G/A/P: 345 / 73 / 118 / 191

    O’Reilly needs to pull his head out of his agents (or his own) ass and quit being a greedy bastard.

    • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:04 PM

      That’s Duchene’s fault for not negotiating a better contract. RoR is not beholden to what Duchene is paid.

      • jernster21 - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM

        Pat Morris, is that you?

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

        Nope, just a guy who watched David Poile offer Weber “fair deals” only to watch the market blow that up.

      • jernster21 - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

        Fair enough.

      • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:22 PM

        Except this is now and the arbitrator will use real life situations/contract that are current. Jamie Benn, Matt Duchene.

        I’m pretty sure the Avs will offer a fair compensation but if ROR is strictly looking after the money, he could make it in a year or two and end up on a team that is not loaded with talent.

        Greedy or realistic. It will be his pick but enough of the BS. He is turning out to be a PIA during negotiations and has to realize the Avs are trying to run a business. There is no sense in them offering more than Duchene or Landy are getting at this point because there is good chance that is what the Arb will determine.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM

        So… Goodbye RoR in two summers? Hope that is worth it for you. As he walks away I’m sure the Avs will make themselves feel so good saying “Well he was greedy! We don’t want him anyway!”

      • i1theinternet - Jul 10, 2014 at 7:15 PM

        two summers? try one. why would he ask the arb for a two-year deal?

  4. dunc89 - Jul 10, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    First time poster, and a life long Avs fan here guys. I’ve watched every Avs game over the past five years, and it looks like O’Reilly’s on the way out unfortunately. A long term deal seems like a pipe dream at this point. Both sides are doing what they think is the right business move, and it’s only going to lead to Ryan playing for someone else, whenever that is. Probably sooner than later. I highly doubt O’Reilly leaves for nothing after what just happened with Stastny, a trade will happen at some point (unless they somehow bridge this gap and get a deal done). I really don’t see him being worth $6.5 mil/year, he’s a really good player but his numbers were inflated by playing with Duchene all year. I don’t see what’s wrong with $6 mil/year or slightly below that number. With MacKinnon coming off his rookie contract soon and EJ’s contract expiring that same off-season (I think?) with all of the young guys coming up we can’t afford to overpay anyone at this point. Sakic and Roy have a salary structure in place and I don’t think it would be a good idea to deviate from it this early in their tenure with the team. They’ve got a plan going forward and they should stick to it, whether or not that involves O’Reilly (which I really hope it does but day by day it’s looking less and less likely).

    • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 6:09 PM

      Spot on. You cannot handicap the rest of the team by overpaying anyone.

      Good post, go Avs.

      Ryan O’Reilly either wants to be an Av for a fair price or he doesn’t. He needs to understand that Joe and Patrick played for the love of the game and Joe survived his last several years on one year deals. They were not the most he could have got but he wanted to be here.

      • jernster21 - Jul 10, 2014 at 7:18 PM

        Love of the game? That’s a bit naive dude; they both got paid handsomely for what they did because of the level they played at. Look, it’s a business, both sides understand that but there’s a time and place to negotiate your worth and if you can’t come to an agreement with a team, move on, it happens. However, there’s a difference between being a professional and coming off as a self righteous brat where it’s all about me me me and the almighty dollar.

      • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 7:44 PM

        Indeed you are correct. Joe always had that class. He was offered by the Rangers and fortunately was signed by the Avs. He loved it here and when his long term deals were all done, he ultimately kept playing on one year deals. The team was fair with him and vise versa. He was not at the top of the pay scale but played like it! ROR seems like a self absorbed ahole at negotiation time.

        No I am not naive, I have witnessed plenty of classy pros take less money than they could’ve received to help the team achieve its goals. I have plenty of friends that have played in the NHL. RORY has a chance to be part of something potentially pretty special. If he is fair, he will be happy. If he is going to be greedy, he risks being the mantle piece on a loser. He’s no mantle piece but a great piece of a lot of potential.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 8:13 PM

        Maybe the team RoR wants to help is not the one you root for… Seemed that way with Stastny.

      • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 8:20 PM

        Stastny followed the money and made a choice to go back home. It was his choice. Fair enough. ROR will make his choice of 1 or 2 years and he will be compensated fairly. What he decides to do after those years will be up to him. The Avs have been fair and reasonable. They should have offered him a bit more two years ago and this likely wouldn’t be happening.

  5. avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    Me thinks Joe Sakic, Hall of Famer and captain of two Stanley Cup Winning Teams, 13 time NHL All Star, Olympic Gold Medal Winner, Conn Smythe and NHL MVP knows a bit more about the business side of Hockey and the direct negotiating with ROR than musamonster.

    I think i’ll put my trust in Joe and not the speculation of an internet hockey expert.

    I think Joe knows why they let Statsny walk and why they are Arbing ROR. It will work out with a reasonable player agent or it wont with an unreasonable player/agent.

    Every player has a value specific to each team. It is a fluid number and there are plenty of variables.

    • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 6:11 PM

      Heh, there’s a reason Gretzky isn’t a GM in the league. Guys like Sakic and Roy might be thinking right now that their poo don’t stink… But it does. If Sakic has a budget he has to fit within, that is fine, but you have to manage your assets at the same time. Sakic could trade RoR for cheaper playes/picks/prospects and save himself money/headaches.

      But if he thinks he can pummel RoR into arbitration submission, that might work this season, but eventually you have to make your players happy. RoR, on the other hand, has to make sure his play stays elevated, or his value will drop.

      (BTW, I could tell months ago that Stastny was going to walk. That was evident miles away)

      • avfanforlife - Jul 10, 2014 at 6:36 PM

        People seem to be forgetting that it was the team that called for arbitration, not ROR. Smart move. Sakic and co. know that ROR deserves a raise this year. Why argue with ROR and his agent all night and day, when you can go to arb and simply give him whatever is decided (which I think is $5,750,000 max, but I could be off w potential bonus comp.) and you have the player locked up for (most likely) 2 years.
        -So now the Av’s are comfortable in their cap situation with just a couple of signings to go, ROR can show the team, fans, anyone who cares just how good he is for the next two seasons, Cap ceiling will most likely go up a bit more, MacKinnon and ROR can go crazy with negotiations in 2016 if need be. All good. Arbitration was a no-brainer as far as the AV’s were concerned.
        – Av’s aren’t being cheap as some have stated. They’ll be in the top 5-6 highest payroll this year when all is said and done. How many stinking years have we been at the bottom?!?

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 6:48 PM

        Because most don’t want to take the player to actual arbitration. Its a dirty process where a GM basically down talks the player in front of the arbitrator. The Avs did this primarily to limit any offer sheets from coming in again. I wonder if RoR will take one year or 2? That will be telling as well.

        No the Avs aren’t being cheap overall, but if they aren’t willing to pay a player what it will cost to keep him they will eventually cut ties. Maybe they get a one year deal done then trade him next summer. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but hopefully they learn something from Stastny.

      • avfanforlife - Jul 10, 2014 at 7:08 PM

        In this case, the GM has no need to down-talk the player though. I am sure that ROR is asking for more than the arbitrator is allowed to even give under the CBA rules. The Av’s also know that he should be paid more than 5 mil. GM doesn’t even have to say anything really, other than “whatever you say sir”. We’ll know in about two weeks. Personally, I hope he gets his maximum raise, it’s a 2yr deal, and he gets even more $ the next time around because he has proven he is worth it. Is it Oct. 9th yet?

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 8:11 PM

        Maybe you don’t know how arbitration meetings work… If you talk up your guy, he’s going to get more money. There is no max limit to the amount the arbitrator can award, only a minimum. i wouldn’t be surprised if the arbitrator gives RoR another $6.5 mil per, perhaps a raise proportionate to the raise in the salary cap.

        I wonder if the Avs will even let this get to a hearing. Look for them to either hammer out a deal or maybe trade him before the hearing.

      • avfanforlife - Jul 10, 2014 at 8:47 PM

        I know that management is supposed to say what crap the guy is, etc., but there is no way the arbitrator is going to go as high as 6.5 mil. Now I did think that there was a maximum limit, but I stated that I wasn’t sure earlier. I don’t see this getting handled prior to the 23rd. ROR, his agent, his dad, and whoever else is getting their two-cents involved in the negotiations will keep that from happening. Another reason for this being a no-brainer move by the Av’s : It will all be settled in 2 weeks and no missed games this time around for ROR.

      • musamonster - Jul 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM

        “but there is no way the arbitrator is going to go as high as 6.5 mil.”

        Why not? That’s what he made last season. That’s what the Avs agreed to pay him. And he played well. The arbitrator doesn’t live under the “captain has to be paid the most” mantra. I think RoR gets at least $6.5 mil and maybe a small percentage pay bump.

      • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 10:00 PM

        You sure seem to be a bit fixated on this whole ROR arbitration. You his Dad? Mom? Nothing going on with your crappy team?

      • jernster21 - Jul 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM

        Arbitration isn’t a slaughter house like some of you maybe think it is, especially when you’re talking the type of money that O’Reilly is going to get regardless (which is a what, potentially 15-20% less than what he made last year at worst). Sakic isn’t going to walk in there, throw his suit case against the wall screaming “O’REILLY IS MEAN, AND HE’S RUDE! – they’re going to present the arbitrator with comparable contracts of other players based on productivity/performance for a guy X amount of years in the league and say hey, we value him at this price based on such. Who knows what the hell his agent is going to throw together – he can talk about O’Reilly’s two way game all he wants but last I checked he hasn’t been nominated for any Selke trophy’s and while the Lady Byng is a nice accolade, it doesn’t mean much to salary negotiation in my opinion. People act like Duchene took a massive pay cut when he took a long term deal, but 6mm is about where it should be. He took a pay cut on his bridge deal because he wanted to prove he could bounce back from an injury filled season. People were basically saying trade the guy after that year for no good reason other than he didn’t put up 70+ points like he’s capable of, when healthy. Should O’Reilly make more than Landeskog’s 5.57mm per season? I think so. He’s going to end up at 5.75-6mm through an arbitrator purely based on the fact that the Avs accepted an offer sheet that paid him 6.5 in one season just to keep him.

  6. hockeyfan117 - Jul 10, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    At the end of the day if the AVS don’t pay him 6.5 million someone will. So the AVS can trade him or risk him leaving for nothing, which is not a smart option. Is RoR an elite talent? No but he is a top 6 forward in the NHL and a excellent defensive player.

    6.5 million might be sightly high for a player of his talent but the AVS have cap space so if they want to be a regular contender they need him or a player of his talent. I can’t believe that just paid 9 million for Iggy and Briere,….thats NOT smart cap management.

    • avscup - Jul 10, 2014 at 10:23 PM

      He is an RFA until after the 2015-16 season so you don’t really get it. He can’t just leave. Sure he could demand a trade but then his trade value goes up. And the team that gets him will have lots of fun negotiating with him!

      • hockeyfan117 - Jul 11, 2014 at 1:22 AM

        Actually I do get it, I never said when he was leaving but that he most likely will. What I don’t get is why the Avs are happy to nickle and dime this guy. They have cap space and RoR makes them better so sign him or trade him its really that easy.

        It just seems extremely unlikely after they are done owning his rights he resigns there and that makes them worse. Good teams lock up their good players or trade them so they can get something for them. Having your best player sign with a rival isn’t smart hockey

      • avscup - Jul 11, 2014 at 8:32 AM

        No, I don’t think you do get it.

        Here, this might help. http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24614692/nhl-rumors-ryan-oreilly-avs-likely-headed-to-arbitration

        It is not a case of the Avs being cheap. It is more a case of ROR being stubborn. The Avs have some other players to sign and also better players on the roster signed for less. There is a team salary structure that is in play. It’s called a business model!

      • musamonster - Jul 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM

        Or…

        The Avs are being stubborn. They didn’t even offer him what they paid him the season before. They are the one’s trying to cheap out on RoR because they set for themselves a ceiling of what they want to pay the players. That’s fine, its just business, and they should be prepared to lose another talent.

        BTW, this is the same Avs team that locked out their players (as did they all) summer of ’12 demanding they all take pay cuts… It’s just business.

      • avscup - Jul 11, 2014 at 11:47 AM

        How do you know what the Avs offered?

      • musamonster - Jul 11, 2014 at 1:03 PM

        I know they didn’t give him a QO of the minimum $6.5 mil. That’s why they took him to arbitration.

      • avscup - Jul 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM

        He’s not worth $6.5, wait until 7/23.

    • jernster21 - Jul 10, 2014 at 10:57 PM

      Yeah, *someone* will pay it, but does this guy want money or does he want to win, because last I checked, most contenders are bare ass against the cap and don’t have the room to pay 6+ million a year on anything but a short term deal (if at all). So in the case of the trade, it likely becomes a salary for salary deal to make it work.

      • hockeyfan117 - Jul 11, 2014 at 1:26 AM

        Clearly his concern is getting paid before winning. That doesn’t make him a bad guy maybe he can find a place that does both, because it isn’t Colorado clearly.

      • musamonster - Jul 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM

        Depends on what you call “contender”… I don’t think the Avs have what it takes to win the Cup, but should be good nonetheless.

        http://www.capgeek.com/

        Looking at that list I see several teams that could be called contenders that have the room to pay for him, esp if they traded some salary for him.

  7. pj608 - Jul 11, 2014 at 3:36 AM

    Iam guessing he will be signing else where?

    Colorado is pretty cheap. I know Landeskog is locked up for like 5-6 more years and in like 2 years they will need to re-sign Mackinnon but they have a bunch of cap space open and cap will be increasing again in the near future. I don’t get it. I understand letting stastny go because realistically to get MacKinnon time in the circle, Stastny would have been their third line center. IDK…. I would sign Ryan. Not to long but he had what? 2 PIM this season? lol. Sign the kid.

    • avscup - Jul 11, 2014 at 8:44 AM

      You guess wrong again. He can’t sign elsewhere, he is an RFA for 2 more seasons! He can be traded but it’s hard to trade bad contracts. He is being stubborn and the Avs are being smart.

      http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24614692/nhl-rumors-ryan-oreilly-avs-likely-headed-to-arbitration

      • musamonster - Jul 11, 2014 at 11:42 AM

        If he takes a one year deal this summer, he can sign another offer sheet next summer.

      • avscup - Jul 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM

        How’s that? Most likely they will go back to Arb again before he can be offered. Also, offer sheets are rare and rarely work out.

        You keep trying to be the ROR and Stastny expert and all but I wonder how much you have really followed this whole saga or read the local news on the situation? Each side is prepared to accept the binding arbitration. Perhaps they work out a deal earlier…or not.

        It would have been dumb for the Avs to overpay for ROR when they are going to have to sign Mackinnon and Johnson soon.

      • musamonster - Jul 11, 2014 at 1:07 PM

        The team took him to arbitration. They can’t do it again. If he can sign an offer sheet for the amount he wants with a team he approved of, why would he take the Avs to arbitration? See: Shea Weber.

        “I wonder how much you have really followed this whole saga or read the local news on the situation?”

        I followed it enough to see that Stastny was walking when many Avs fans thought “he was taking a hometown discount”

        “It would have been dumb for the Avs to overpay for ROR when they are going to have to sign Mackinnon and Johnson soon. ”

        I agree the Avs should work with in the framework of their budget, but they should be prepared to trade RoR if they don’t want to lose an asset.

        Offer sheets rarely work, but this is one situation where they just might.

      • avscup - Jul 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM

        Well then he might take a one year deal from the Arb. He is still an RFA through 2016 so the Avs could match. It seems like a risk worth taking as it is doubtful the Arb will award this years $6.5 because of the way he arrived at that number in the first place.

      • musamonster - Jul 11, 2014 at 1:24 PM

        “doubtful the Arb will award this years $6.5 because of the way he arrived at that number in the first place.”

        I dunno about that. I think the Arb gives him $6.5 mil. That’s what the Avs agreed to pay him last year, and RoR lived up to that, even winning a major award. If the Avs didn’t want to pay that, they should have let him walk and taken the picks, as afforded to them by the CBA.

      • avscup - Jul 11, 2014 at 1:33 PM

        Funny though, the arb will compare what others make. You keep forgetting about that. Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, Jamie Benn, Matt Duchene all have better numbers and lower salary. The Arb will evaluate all of that. See the link I posted about why he won’t get $6.5.

        Further, because ROR played in Russia that year, Calgary would have had to cough up the draft picks, but he would have had to clear waivers and at the time, Columbus would have had the first crack at him.

      • musamonster - Jul 11, 2014 at 2:05 PM

        “Funny though, the arb will compare what others make.”

        If he were asking for a raise, yes. But likely he isn’t.

        I imagine the Arb’s words will be like this: “So, Avs, you agreed to pay him $6.5 mil last season, but you don’t want to pay him that next season. Would you mind telling me what he has done to not play up to your expectations so as to warrant a pay decrease?”

      • avscup - Jul 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

        You do have a vivid imagination. On what planet would a team take a player to arb if the comparable didn’t matter. ROR $6.5 salary this year carried a cap hit of $5 million. Meaning the $10M offer sheet from Calgary (the dumb funks would not have even gotten ROR & given up draft picks) was prorated for the lockout season($3.5) and this season. The Arb will look at arguments, stats, comparable sand other data supplied to them by each side. What he was paid willingly this past season has very little relevance based on the terms of arbitration agreed to in the CBA.

        If ROR was being anywhere near fair, he would be getting that contract! The Avs wouldn’t risk loosing him over say $300k like Sobotka and the Blues.

        The QO rejected by ROR’s agent and Newport Sports agency is closer to what the arb will most likely determine.

        Wait and see.

        ROR will either come to his senses or become valuable trade bait for whatever team wants to roll the dice with him.

      • pj608 - Jul 11, 2014 at 5:39 PM

        Thats what every idiot said about Vladimir Sobotka….. and what happened there? You say the same this this other retard said on there and he probably sent the same link. I DONT CARE WHAT A PAPER THAT IS 1 MILLIONTH OF AN INCH THICK SAYS>>>> THERE ARE ALWAYS LOOPHOLES SO JUST WATCH AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS BUD THEN TALK TO ME.

        Dislike my comments all you want but when they come true… DONT BE IN DISBELIEF BECAUSE YO WERE BRAINWASHED TO THINK A PIECE OF FU**KING PAPER CAN HOLD A PERSON LIKE A GUN. JUST WATCH

  8. pj608 - Jul 12, 2014 at 5:29 AM

    And if the avs lose in arbitration court (bc O Reilly filed against them) they will lose his rights and he will be a UFA…. He will be able to go where ever he wants. Colorado is cheap…. Sign this guy they don’t have that much youth and depth thy they will replace stastny and o Reilly. If you had to pay 1 I’d pay Ryan. Even before stastny was gone. Stastny would have been a 3rd line center. And he’s not one. But orielly is a winger who can take faceoffs if needed.

    • avscup - Jul 12, 2014 at 9:57 AM

      You are a fuktard ya idiot. First of all O’Reilly is a center they moved to wing last season. Of course he can take a few draws, HE’s a natural center. Get it?

      ROR DIDN’T file for Arb, the team did. How is Colorado cheap? They are getting close to the cap with a few others still needing to be signed? They will pay what the Arb determines. It is a risk they felt needed to be taken because of the mistake they made last time around with ROR. Arb is for situations like these where a player and team disagree.

      You have no idea what you are babbling about

      Your Dumb!

      • pj608 - Jul 12, 2014 at 12:34 PM

        Your wrong…. Sad. Dont even know about your own team. HE WAS THE ONLY ONE GOING TO ARBITRATION THAT FILED AGAINST THE TEAM!!! You will see. They will either be paying what he deserves which will be around 6 million or they will lose his rights and he will be a UFA and sign with another team or…. GO to another league for 1 year.

      • avscup - Jul 12, 2014 at 6:09 PM

        Really? The Avs filed for arbitration. Have your Mommy help you with internet searches. You will see there is a lot of value in being able to do a simple search. While you are learning how to do a search, try searching for NHL players that filed for arbitration in 2014. There were 20 and the list does not include Ryan O’Reilly! Strange though, because some functionally retarded moron on the internet told me otherwise!

        BTW, YOUR DUMB, STILL!

      • avscup - Jul 12, 2014 at 6:22 PM

        Maybe you cannot read pj608 but the third paragraph of the article all these replies are for says otherwise. But I guess the Denver Post wouldn’t know what they are talking about.

        Got any good stock tips you might share?

  9. mb30forlife - Jul 13, 2014 at 5:51 AM

    PJ is half right and half wrong… but you are in fact ignorant to believe that he HAS to resign with the Avs…. Obviously you are bias towards your team and there is a splash of foolishness in your veins. Did you not see what happened with Sobotka?? Kovalchuk? There are loopholes no matter what the case may be. If this guy does not like the out come he doesn’t have to sign his name.

    Now you are talking about Journalism…. How about Star Ledger saying for months that NJ was resigning Parise. What happened there? They are JOURNALISTS…. THEY GET PAID TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

    • avscup - Jul 13, 2014 at 5:59 PM

      The arbitration is binding. If he wants to play in the NHL, he has to sign. Sure he could go to the KHL. Do you think any Canadian wants to go to the KHL instead of making a minimum of $5.525? Name one!

      What reputation will follow a player around who won’t sign an arbitrator’s decision or is a second time holdout?

      You make it sound like the Avs and O’Reilly hate each other. Not really the case. They both are understanding it is just business and not personal. It’s really pretty simple. The Avs don’t feel he is worth $6.5. His Agent from Newport Sports does. If he feels that slighted that he would go to the KHL than good riddance. He isn’t that great!

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