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Sather to Rangers’ free agents — do you want to win, or do you want to chase the money?

Jun 28, 2014, 2:29 PM EDT

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PHILADELPHIA — The New York Rangers’ run to the 2014 Stanley Cup Final was fueled in part by an effective fourth line of Brian Boyle, Dominic Moore and Derek Dorsett.

Next season, it’s possible all three of those players won’t be back with the Blueshirts.

“I don’t know where it’s going to go,” Rangers general manager Glen Sather said Saturday. “But that’s why we have all summer to figure it out.”

Dorsett definitely won’t be back; he was traded to Vancouver on Friday.

Boyle probably won’t be back either. The big forward is an unrestricted free agent who wants a bigger role, and Sather’s not “interested” in keeping a player that wants a different role than what the club wants.

“If you’ve got players that aren’t willing to accept their roles, then you’ve got conflict all the time,” said Sather. “That creates problems. I’m not interested in problems. I want people that want to play within a team structure. That’s how you win.”

As for Moore, the 33-year-old center is also an unrestricted free agent. He made $1 million last season and had six goals and 12 assists in 73 games.

Benoit Pouliot is another UFA forward who may or may not be back.

“I think you have to decide yourself what’s the important thing,” said Sather, “whether it’s winning or getting a few more dollars someplace else. In my book it’s always winning.”

Whatever happens with his free-agent veterans, Sather expects 21-year-old J.T. Miller to be with the big club in 2014-15.

“We expect Miller to come and play this year,” he said. “He probably would’ve played throughout the playoffs if he hadn’t had his separated shoulder. He’s young. He fits into the price range. He’s going to develop into becoming a very good hockey player. He had a lot of growth this year, and did well.”

Related: Dominic Moore wins 2014 Masterton Trophy

  1. 19to77 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    Coming from a man who continues to throw money around like a drunk at a strip club even now, long after the creation of the salary cap, this is pretty rich.

    • barkar942 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:51 PM

      Perhaps along with his old age has come wisdom, young grasshopper.
      I fully agree with his comments about Boyle. He has been playing to his true ability, and if he thinks he is going to be a second line center, he will be getting paid well in Edmonton and never play another playoff game in his career. I personally home Dom Moore resigns and Boyle, too, but the old mighty BIG $$$$$$$$ are ready to flow.
      He is playing hardball, and here is the Ranger’s offer. Sign or go bye bye.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 29, 2014 at 1:29 PM

        Dom Moore was excellent in the playoffs. The guy has enough skill to get 3rd line minutes. He’ll be a steal for whoever gets him (depending on price of course). Boyle, on the under hand, could be a FA bust if teams think he’s gonna produce like he did the one year he scored 20. Great size, solid defensively, but hardly worth more than $2.5 mil.

      • barkar942 - Jun 29, 2014 at 11:25 PM

        Agreed. Boyle should be very happy that he has found his true worth in the NHL as a top PK man and a good 4th liner who can fill on wing or center when injuries occur, but he is best at 10-14 minutes per game doing just what I listed.
        Personally, I hope the Rangers pretty much keep everyone. Stralman will be the toughest to keep. Dom Moore I believe will resign here in NY. If the Rangers lose both Moore and Boyle, that would be a real tough hit.

    • billiam55 - Jun 28, 2014 at 6:17 PM

      i think hes learned his lesson.

  2. bwayblueshirt - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    Slats is a dope. Boyle earned a bigger role. Boyle/Moore should be our 3C/4C. And we kept Carcillo and dealt Dorsett? What’s going on up there, man…

    • stakex - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

      I don’t know why so many of my fellow Rangers fans tend to fall in love with and significantly over estimate the 3rd-4th line players years after year.

      Boyle is a 4th line player, end of story. He had one fluke year in which he somehow managed to score 21 goals… but in the three seasons since he has scored only 19 in 202 games. Sure, he scored a big goal in game 5 against LA, but that was only his 3rd goal of the playoffs… and aside from penalty killing, was a virtual non-factor for long stretches of the post-season. There are a ton of players out there that would fill a 3rd line center role a lot better.

      Now the reason Dorsett was traded is pretty simple: Cap space. He scored 4g and 4a during the season, with only 1a in 23 playoff games. He brings some grit and toughness, but hardly a diamond in the rough… especially with $1.6 million cap hit. The Rangers also didn’t keep Carcillo, at least not yet. He’s a free agent and there is little sign the Rangers are going to make him an offer.

      • bwayblueshirt - Jun 28, 2014 at 5:59 PM

        I thought Carbomb was locked up for another year, so my mistake there. But I think you’re wrong about Boyle. He does everything. He hits, he blocks almost as many shots as Hank does, he’s the main reason our PK was so dominant in the playoffs, oh, and one other thing. He won 86 freaking percent of his faceoffs. I would not be upset at all if the signed him to be a 3C at $2 mil.

      • stakex - Jun 28, 2014 at 7:36 PM

        Hey I like Boyle for what he does, and those are all things he does well. For $2 million? Sure, I’d be happy to see him stay. The problem is that Boyle wants an expanded role, and likely the expanded paycheck that comes with it…. and smartly the Rangers don’t plan to offer him either of those.

        Also, the Rangers likely have a 3rd line center already picked out for next year in JT Miller.

      • budvw14 - Jun 29, 2014 at 3:46 PM

        Bwayblueshirt— where did you get that faceoff number at?lol Boyle won exactly 50% of his faceoffs in the playoffs! If that is the main priority in our fourth line centerman then Oscar Lindberg will move into that spot. He’s not just one of the best faceoff centermen in our organization, he’s one of the best in the world! Miller, Fasth, and Lindberg will be Rangers next season in bottom 6 roles.

    • johnstone17 - Jun 29, 2014 at 9:48 AM

      Have you watched Boyle skate? I love his effort, but when he’s skating at full tilt, I hear the theme from Chariots of fire or March of the Wooden Soldiers in my head. As far as scoring goes, the dude has hands like feet. I’m with Stakex, 4th liner at best.

  3. DED - Jun 28, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    Any idea what was offered to Boyle, Pouliot, and Moore?

    With regards to the last two, Sather was smart to only sign them to one year deals as Pouliot never lived up to expectations of past teams (1st round pick, 4th overall) and Moore (a journeyman) was out for the previous season. Both were unknown quantities. Sather’s reputation with reckless spending on UFA’s in the past is well known, so it was a bit shocking to me that he signed them to reasonable deals. Now that these guys have had good seasons (for them) both during the regular season and playoffs, do they have inflated senses of self or is Sather playing hardball like he does with RFA’s?

    With Stralman not jumping at Sather’s first offer and two guys already gone (Richards and Dorsett), I’m starting to wonder how much roster turnover the Rangers are going to have this year.

  4. rpiotr01 - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM

    This Ranger team was set up for the very short term. They had a great run but came up short, now you pay the piper. I’d focus on rebuilding for another run with Hank in 3-4 seasons, and much as I like some of these guys, don’t tie up the cap on bottom of the roster guys.

    • stakex - Jun 28, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      A rebuild… you’re joking right? The majority of their top players will be back next year, and most of them are 30 or under. Hardly any reason to panic into a rebuild. Not to mention Lundqvist is 32… sitting around rebuilding for four years right in the middle of his prime is just not acceptable.

      Far short of a rebuild, the Rangers only have three priorities to take care of this offseason to remain contenders:

      1. Re-sign the key RFAs (Kreider, Zuccarello, John Moore, and possible Brassard), and see about keeping some of the FA talent.

      2. Find a 2nd-3rd line center to replace Richards.

      Its possible the Rangers might re-sign Brassard to be the 2nd line center, while bringing JT Miller in to center the 3rd line. That would still require the addition of a 4ht line center (perhaps Moore), but that’s a fairly easy hole to plug. They could also look to acquire a 2nd line center via trade or free agency, which would almost certainly result in Brassard being let go.

      3. Depth on defense. If Stralman walks, its likely that Klein will be the 4th defensemen.Not a great trade, more Klein is competent in that role. Re-signing J Moore would still leave the Rangers looking for a solid 6th on defense, which might need to be filled by free agency.

      —————

      So to recap: Signing the key free agents, patch the hole at center, and a depth defensemen. That should be all the Rangers need to stay competitive going into this season. A Cup run would require outstanding play from everyone again, but isn’t that true for every team?

  5. curtainman - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:33 PM

    Can we stop talking like these guys are top 20 players? Boyle only showed up in the playoffs, and was great…for a 4th line player. He has hands of stone and skates like a kid who just started playing. Moore was also good…for a 3rd/4th line player. Pouliut shows the most skill…when he wasnt taking atrocious offensive zone penalties. Lets not hype these guys up too much…they are role players at best.

    • bwayblueshirt - Jun 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

      Boyle and Moore both skate very well, and they bring a physical element that is sorely lacking. If there’s one thing you can take away from these playoffs, it’s that grit still equals wins, and if the Rangers become an Icecapades team with no one to knock heads when necessary, we’ve seen our last SCF for a while.

  6. phtjoey - Jun 28, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Answer; 30 years old you chase the championship

    • phtjoey - Jun 28, 2014 at 5:06 PM

      < 30 years old you chase the money

  7. mizzike20 - Jun 28, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    It’s pretty simple. When your 3rd and 4th line guys produce more than the guys getting more minutes and way more dollars than them, can you blame them for wanting more money?
    Look at the Kings model of success – if the top guys take a million or more less to stay (think Gaborik), then you can afford to lavish more dough on your third and fourth line (Richards). If the King took a million less a year on his new contract, then a guy like Moore or Dorsett stay. All of this ‘care about winning’ crap should apply to the big guys and not just the 3rd and 4th liners.

  8. dbida - Jun 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    I’m sorry but I’m not convinced this team is now the cream of the crop of the Eastern Conference. Compared to the West, the east is still a long way off. Sure Pitt slipped but other than MAYBE Boston I see all the east playoff teams and pretty comparable. Pit, NY, Tampa, Det, Mont, Columbus… When each team is healthy and rolling at full speed I feel like they’re all pretty comparable.

  9. bleedrangerblue - Jun 28, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    Boston? Really they are in bad shape.

    • mizzike20 - Jun 28, 2014 at 6:38 PM

      You’re never in bad shape when you have goaltending like Rask. Look no further than the Rangers for that.

  10. idonthavethebloodyoucrave - Jun 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    Cause the Rangers have a long history of winning Cup after Cup … ROFLMAO!!!

    • 1cupin74years - Jun 29, 2014 at 10:37 AM

      Boom!

  11. bleedrangerblue - Jun 28, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    Don’t count the Rangers out people. They learned what it takes to win a cup. They will lose a few people and gain a few. Our core group will be there. I expect A great upcoming season. Who wouldn’t? They lost Richards… They may lose Boyle… Dorsett is gone…. I’m not worried they will be hungry, you’ll see

    • 1cupin74years - Jun 29, 2014 at 10:38 AM

      We’d rather count them out.

  12. papajack1259 - Jun 28, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Glen shut up and do your job you ain’t won squat. in 15 years when these guys are washed up they can’t eat a cup.You spend in the wrong spots. It started with that whack coach Torts leave the game to AV and just shut up

  13. pf1065 - Jun 28, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    We’re doomed as long as Sather is around. These guys can’t play forever like he can be a GM. They have to earn their money now. Check the altruism at the door!

  14. jcuervo962002 - Jun 28, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    Hey guys- Boyle teased us with a fluke season a while back. And for 3 years (and a couple of years prior to it) he has been given chance after chance to prove he belongs anywhere else but the 4th line. He has been moved up when people get hurt, been put on the PP. Same result, no production. Boyle is a great on faceoffs, sound defensively and probably one of the best penalty killers in the NHL- but cant put the puck in the net. Thats a 4th liner if I ever saw one.

    I am a big believer that you dont’ pay for intangibles, you pay for points. Not a dime over 2 million slats, and thats being generous because I like the guy.

    I am sure MTL is counting the days until Prusts contract is over, a 4th liner at 2.5 million per. He has played 90 games and has 27 points. Boyle is going to get more than Prust in UFA because of his size and because he is a center. But doesnt bring much more on the offensive side. Someone if gonna pay him big and regret it before years end.

    Now Dominic Moore not being contacted at all bothers me, that guy should be our 4th line center.

  15. jcuervo962002 - Jun 28, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    Also, not sure anyone- even Ranger fans – think they are the “cream of the crop”. By January anyone with any hockey sense knew that the East was Boston, and then everyone else. If Boston got KO’d in an upset, then the East was anybody’s game. But the West is way better, and the proof was there in a 4-1 final. Yeah, The Rangers were there in every game, but the end result is what matters and it was a 4-1 series.

    By the looks of it, the East will be very even again next season and it will be anybody’s game.

  16. teramarus - Jun 28, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    Uh, they want to win. That’s why they’re leaving town. Rangers won’t see a cup final again for at least a decade, why stay?

  17. bleedrangerblue - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    Idiots here

  18. rutledge3197 - Jun 28, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    J.T. Miller….. AHL for life

  19. cheggy1731 - Jun 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM

    Play within the structure of the team and except their role means to Play within the salary cap. I don’t know how some of these free agents will be signed. Many teams have cap problems. Some free agents will have to take slight cuts or have to stay out.

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