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Eric Lindros’ open-and-shut case for the Hockey Hall of Fame

Jun 24, 2014, 8:30 AM EDT

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Peter Forsberg’s election to the Hockey Hall of Fame on Monday may have helped take care of something that should’ve happened already – make Eric Lindros’ case to be enshrined in Toronto.

The two giants of the ice are forever linked because of the June 30, 1992 trade that sent Lindros’ rights from the Quebec Nordiques to the Philadelphia Flyers. The blockbuster seven-player deal saw Lindros go to the Flyers in exchange for Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Kerry Huffman, and Philly’s 1993 first-round pick that turned into Jocelyn Thibault.

Both Lindros and Forsberg went on to have superstar careers.

Forsberg had greater team success winning the Stanley Cup in 1996 and 2001 with the Colorado Avalanche while Lindros made one Stanley Cup Final appearance in 1997 with the Flyers getting swept by the Detroit Red Wings. Forsberg won two Olympic gold medals in 1994 and 2006 with Sweden while Lindros won one in 2002 with Canada.

For Hockey Hall of Fame arguments, team titles are an easy way to distract from the point of the Hall of Fame. Getting elected to the Hall is based on individual success and, let’s face it, there are plenty of players who will never come close to making the Hall who have won multiple Stanley Cups.

When it came to individual accolades, their honors are similar. Both Forsberg (2003) and Lindros (1995) won Hart Trophies. Forsberg also won the Calder (1995) and Art Ross (2003). Both went to multiple All-Star Games and were season-end league all-stars as well.

When you look at the raw statistics and personal achievements between Lindros and Forsberg, suddenly things look a lot closer:

Forsberg:  (14 seasons – 708 GP)  249 G  636 A  885 PTS  690 PIM 1.250 PPG (points per-game)

Lindros:    (13 seasons – 760 GP)  372 G  493 A  865 PTS  1,398 PIM  1.138 PPG

Forsberg’s points per game total is eighth best all-time trailing Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Mike Bossy, Sidney Crosby, Bobby Orr, Marcel Dionne, and Peter Stastny. He was a no-brainer Hall of Famer whether you loved him or hated him or wanted to hold his history of foot injuries against him.

source: Getty ImagesWhile Lindros’ PPG total pales in comparison, put that into perspective of how great Forsberg’s play was. Lindros’ PPG total is 19th best all-time. The next 11 players behind Lindros on that list are all in the Hall of Fame. Of those between Forsberg and Lindros, Kent Nilsson is the only one who isn’t currently playing that’s not in the Hall (Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Jaromir Jagr are still going strong).

Forsberg was rightly considered a no-brainer to make the Hall of Fame yet this was Lindros’ fifth turn on the ballot. Next year’s vote won’t be any easier for Lindros to crack through.

Nicklas Lidstrom, Sergei Fedorov, and Alex Kovalev will be eligible for the first time and join a growing group of worthy candidates to be enshrined. Lidstrom will be a unanimous selection with Fedorov being arguably close to that as well.

That means Lindros will be fighting for recognition amongst other guys with gaudy numbers like Phil Housley, Alexander Mogilny, and Dave Andreychuk or those with brilliant international careers like Sergei Makarov.

There shouldn’t be a way for others, aside from Lidstrom, to make as strong of a claim to make the Hall of Fame next year as Lindros. Now with Forsberg earning his own spot in history, it’s time for the Hall of Fame committee to open the doors for “Big E.”

101 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. canucks30 - Jun 24, 2014 at 8:46 AM

    Amen.

    • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:03 AM

      The only reason Eric is not in the HOF is Hate…….no other reason at all!

      • gnashty - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:13 AM

        Agreed 100% The man was unstoppable for years until his concussions started happening. Even after that he still was a force. I am a Flyers fan(25 years old) – Lindros was my first idol growing up and rightfully so he was a downright animal that just never learned to keep his head up.

      • jl9830 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM

        He also failed to crack 1,000 points for his career. Peak is one thing; longevity is another. I could see him getting in eventually, but it’s not like he should have gone in over any of the 4 who got in this year.

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

        I said yesterday i didnt think he was Automatic…..But if 1000 pts is the criteria how is Forseberg in with 885 pts….Or Bure with 779 or 86pts less then Eric?

      • gnashty - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:32 AM

        Bure would be the best prime example. Eric has more awards, more points, and they both have no rings.

      • elmerbrownelmerbrown - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:37 AM

        Yeah that coward punk scott stevens use to get rag dolled by lindros so at first he went for his knees then later up top to his head if my spidy sense is correct i dont sense much respect for stevens from his peers

      • flyerspsu - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:26 AM

        injuries is the biggest reason, dislike is another, he was one of the greatest players of all time but spent half his career as a shadow of himself w/ concussion problems despite his still stellar career stats, in his 1st 7 seasons he put up 600 pt in 360 gms while being injured every season which were already taking a toll on him, by the age of 25 he was already declining b/c of his injuries

      • youpeopledonotimpressme - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM

        This ass bandit doesn’t deserve to take a tour of the Hall of Fame lol

      • biasedhomer - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM

        Yep, politics is the reason.

      • kaptaanamerica - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:22 PM

        Bure was the most exciting player to play the game in his time. he was an unstoppable force when he got a jump.

        Lindros’ injuries may be what keeps him from winning and not to mention his lack of leadership and attitude. If he gets in it’ll be when there’s a weak induction class, cuz there are a lot of solid guys still waiting to get in…

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 8:16 PM

        Kaptann….Nothing personal but that is pure B.S…..Injuries also kept Pavel from playing more games…..Lindros still out scored him by 80+ points…..And when Eric played his A game he dominated every aspect of the game…Not just scoring goals…Watch the video i posted…..Ever see Pavel dominate like that?…..Loved watching him play and have no reason to think he should not have made the HOF……But to claim Eric may not while Pavel did yet both were cut short is absurd!….Also check the stats i posted below and check that link i posted….You may be shocked at the info you find….Not just on Lindros either

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:58 AM

      Lindros embarrassed Stevens in that fight, and I’m sure that boiled inside Stevens for years. When one of the greatest physical defenseman in history is no match for the physicality of #88 it really gives you an understanding of just how powerful a force he was.

      If that Stevens hit (which was probably part of his personal vendetta against Lindros) happened today there’s no doubt it would warrant suspension. He knew he was coming back from a series of concussions, 100% targets the head as the principal point of contact, and throws a ratty elbow to his nose while Lindros was going close to full speed. He would’ve gotten a 5-minute major, a game, and an undetermined amount of games in today’s NHL. Sure Lindros had his head down but that was a dirty hit then and it’s a dirty hit now. And just like that it was the end of a great career (I know he came back but he was never the same).

      • caspermilktoast - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:48 AM

        As a Flyers fan sitting in my season seats in section 209a during that season and watching that rush up the ice from Stevens backside – I can HONESTLY say that was NOT a dirty hit. Shoulder to Shoulder. NO contact to the head. You don’t need to have contact to the head to bring on concussion like symptoms anymore. See Crosby from a couple of years ago. People at ice level claim they can hear John LeClair yell at Eric during that rush “Heads Up” “Heads Up”. Sorry – was a clean and ferocious hit. My stomach sank in and my cup dreams were left on that hit that night. But its a part of hockey history. And YES the BIG E deserves that call from the Hall. Move over Pavel Bure – there is someone better than you that needs to get in!

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM

        Look we can both agree that was a devastating night in Flyers history but I think you need to take a closer look at a replay. Seeing it live it may have looked that way, but when you slow it down it’s easy to see that his head was the principal point of contact. Now it’s not exactly a true elbow, more of a follow through that started at his shoulder and then ended at his elbow as he clearly raised his arm. That part’s debatable, but what isn’t is that it was not shoulder on shoulder. Stevens targeted the head, Lindros was looking down (his biggest fault), and Stevens lit him up. If you watch a replay you can hear Darren Pang describe it as a shoulder to the chin of Lindros and his follow through went up through his nose. At the time the league wasn’t as sensitive about head injuries so it was just seen as an excellent hitter making a knockout blow, but today he’d be in hot water.

        That series was the most painful I’ve endured as a fan, so maybe that’s jaded me, but I think it’s totally clear that this was no legal check. But it happened so fast so that the refs missed it, which I understand.

      • elmerbrownelmerbrown - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM

        Its a dirty play more than a dirty hit if you watch stevens ko shots his defensive partner is always partly engaged with the intended target then like a streaking comet stevens comes in he was a scumbag

      • zoojersey - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:58 PM

        You post about “personal vendetta”, it is quite clear where yours lies. Your post is filled with opinion which a comment section is perfect for, but please save the speculation which misinforms others of your vivid view. I thought Coatesy’s Corner had the poll position on misleading the Philly fan base.

        You try to dismiss a fundamental of hockey that any peewee learns his first day out, “keep your head up”. You state, “Sure Lindros had his head down”, like it’s no big deal. It’s one of the two reasons he got his bell rung. The other is that any coach, announcer or player in the league at that time would tell you, you have to know when Stevens is on the ice.

        Head down and not listening to the sound advice of every other player, announcer and coach in the league is why he got leveled. Both are choices he made. You can dissect the hit frame by frame, it was a clean hit. Period.

        Comparing the rules of the present to what happened in another era applies no logic for any intelligent argument for that time.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 25, 2014 at 12:54 AM

        Of course I despise Scott Stevens! I had to watch he and a stacked Devils team win several Cups with their unbelievably boring approach. Their dominance, though impressive, almost single handedly led to the NHL changing many rules to create more offense. And in that epic game 7 I had to watch as the Devils captain delivered a clear headshot that essentially ended the career of an amazing player. Lindros sat out the next season and never wore orange and black again.

        However, I do not dismiss #88s penchant for staring at the puck, if you look at my other comments I mention it several times as a major reason why he sustained so many head shots. He certainly was partly responsible.

        Despite my CLEAR bias, which I didn’t attempt to hide in the least, it doesn’t change the fact that Scott Stevens intentionally targeted Lindros’ head. He knew he was recovering from several concussions and he went for the knockout blow. It’s not as if this happened in 80s or 70s when head shots were regularly allowed. This was the year 2000, not ancient history, so I don’t see any problems with comparing it to “modern day” hockey. If this had happened just a few years later Stevens would have faced serious discipline. But concussions were not the hot button issue they are today. If he had made shoulder to shoulder contact I’d say great hit, but it was a reckless headshot in which Stevens went right for the chin and then followed through with an elbow to the nose. Dirty, franchise changing hit.

    • habs9 - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:45 PM

      this article decided to ignore a few things, like say Forsberg’s 171 points in 151 playoff games….either way please dont compare Lindros to Forsberg, sure the career totals seem to match up, but the fact is that Peter Forsberg is/was simply a far better player, FAR FAR greater hockey IQ (its not even close)

      but hey i do hope Lindros makes it one day, i just dont think you need to try to bring down Forsberg to his level for that

      sorry, just saying

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:18 PM

        Not meant as a put down by any means as a Flyers fan i love Forseberg
        just pointing some numbers mostly games played
        Eric was no slouch in the playoffs either while not Forsebergs numbers 57pts in 53 games is not too shabby…..Especialy considering the team he had around him

      • hotlanta57 - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:39 PM

        So pretty much every indicator points to them being about equal, but actually they are not because habs9 said so. Makes enough sense.

      • habs9 - Jun 25, 2014 at 2:11 AM

        @hotlanta57, so if its ‘pretty much’ every indicator, and not ‘every indicator’ than i guess you already figured out the difference as to why one is in and the other is not no?

        smh….but hey if you want to break it down,

        -Forsberg: (14 seasons – 708 GP) 249 G 636 A 885 PTS 690 PIM 1.250 PPG (
        -Lindros: (13 seasons – 760 GP) 372 G 493 A 865 PTS 1,398 PIM 1.138 PPG
        -best season: forsberg -116 pts, Lindros – 115

        Forsberg Lindros
        GP 697 760
        G 248 372
        A 623 493
        Pts 871 865
        PIM 678 1398

        Hart Trophy 1 1
        Pearson Trophy 0 1
        Art Ross Trophy 1 1
        All Star 3 2
        Stanley Cup 2 0
        Olympic Gold 2 1

        should we go into the playoff stats? because i think we already know who wins that one

        i guess in the end its NOT because Habs9 said so, but rather every other indicator tells us who the better player was, even if you want to argue its a slim margin….i simply said the FAR better hockey IQ was Forsberg….good luck finding ppl who disagree….smdh

        @blackandorangeforlife : i definetly can agree with that, glad you understood, i just dont feel like BECAUSE Peter got in, Lindros should too….they arent the same player imo, physicality and injury proneness isnt all there is to them

      • hotlanta57 - Jun 25, 2014 at 7:39 PM

        Wow. You can use Google to look up stats! You’re sick bro! If you actually have ever seen the big E play and not just mindlessly recited some stats then you would know he belongs in the Hall, just as Forsberg also deserves to be there. Both could completely dominate and take a over a game. There is no need to get all bent out of shape over it.

      • habs9 - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM

        ‘but actually they are not because habs9 said so. Makes enough sense.’

        i answered your bs statement, it had nothing to do with ME saying anything, the stats are there for you to see, if you can’t read (since the only thing i said was that Foppa was a better hockey IQ) thats not really my problem, cheers BRO….

      • habs9 - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:17 PM

        but i do love ppl who only ever respond with insult and never back anything they say its cute! bro! lol

      • habs9 - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:21 PM

        ‘i guess in the end its NOT because Habs9 said so, but rather every other indicator tells us who the better player was, even if you want to argue its a slim margin….i simply said the FAR better hockey IQ was Forsberg….good luck finding ppl who disagree….smdh’

        ….his answer: oh congrats you can look stats up….lol not to mention i never said that Lindros doesnt deserve to be there in the first place…you really have a hard time understanding the things you read it seems

  2. ntvd7 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:16 AM

    Similar stats but people talk about Lindros the way they do with Forsberg

    And Peter wasn’t a little bit-h about everything

    • petersteelewannabe - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:52 AM

      Lindros was a “little bi*th”?! Are you nuts?! He is the only superstar in the modern era that not only fought his own battles but literally made opponents scared to start in with him.

      • ntvd7 - Jun 24, 2014 at 2:02 PM

        Yeah he was…

        Look at his draft in the OHL
        Look at his draft in the NHL

        He was a primadonna before he even got into the league

        Bobby Clarke would get calls from HIS MOM saying that his teammates didn’t pass to him enough. What a child he was….

    • flyerspsu - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM

      that b/c Lindros had terrible injury problems the moment he entered the league and was a shadow of himself already by the age of 25, you cant really compare the situations, Forseberg had injury problems himself by not to nearly to the devastating point of Lindros

    • biasedhomer - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM

      Lindros actually would fight, unlike guys like Crosby in today’s NHL that will slew foot you and hide behind the refs.

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:31 PM

        Eric would have slew footed you….But he would kick your ass afterwords as well!……He surely was not a clean player!

  3. blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:17 AM

    • canucks30 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM

      Video is too long, has about 10 minutes of unnecessary footage, and appears to be filmed with a potato.

      On the other hand, it has a full rendition of “Welcome to the Jungle” from Guns N’ Roses.

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:50 AM

        It is a bit long…..But i dont think you could put Erics domination in a 2 minute vid……Thing i love about this vid though is it shows why Stevens thru the hit on Eric that he did…….Lindros treated Stevens like a rag doll 95% of the time…..The only players that had a chance of matching Erics physicality was Chara and Chara avoided him most of the time!

  4. hockeydon10 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:27 AM

    You have to admit that the PPG argument does lose a little power with careers cut short. All players, even the greatest players ever, see their production decline in the twilight of their playing careers.

    Just look at the first 14 seasons vs the entire career of players like Gretzky (2.23 vs. 1.92), Lemieux (1.97 vs. 1.88) or Jagr (1.27 vs 1.19).

    Of course a lot of great players see their numbers decline. This isn’t to say they’re not worthy because of course they are. It’s just that when a career is shortened the player’s PPG numbers will always be higher than if they played for more years.

    This is not me saying Lindros is or isn’t worthy of the Hall. I really have no stake in this fight and couldn’t care less if he’s inducted or not. Just that the PPG argument isn’t what it’s cracked up to be for HHOF induction.

    • jl9830 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:58 AM

      And even just counting his peak years, he’s barely top-20. He’s great, but people make it out like he’s some all-time legend like Gretzky or Mario; he’s not. Great player, even dominant player. But obviously not a slam-dunk hall of famer, or else he’d be in by his 5th try.

      • canucks30 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

        And yet Jim Gregory, Harold Ballard, and Dick Duff are in the HHOF for some reason.

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM

        Check my 2 posts below to see whether he was top 20 or not….Me thinks you might find that you are dead wrong

    • guitarhunterdude - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM

      Not to mention when you factor in the different scoring rates that different eras allow, For example, a 40-goal season now is a bigger achievement than a 50-goal season in the ’80s.

    • flyerspsu - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:38 AM

      the difference here is Lindros spent half his shortened career in his twilight years due to his concussion problems, Lindros’ 1.138 PPG would be A LOT higher if he played a long healthy career like the players you mentioned, instead by the age of 25 he was already fading

      in Lindros’ 1st 7 seasons he put up 600 pts in 360 gms … that’s a PPG of 1.66

  5. canucks30 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    Top 10 Eligible NHL Players not in the Hockey Hall of Fame:

    1. Dave Andreychuk
    2. Jeremy Roenick
    3. Eric Lindros
    4. Phil Housley
    5. Alexander Mogilny
    6. Bernie Nicholls
    7. Theo Fleury
    8. Pierre Turgeon
    9. Gary Suter
    10. Vincent Damphousse

    • Tab Bamford - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:17 AM

      1. Steve Larmer

    • jlang05483 - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:36 AM

      what about John Leclair

    • nyrnashty - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM

      No Pat Verbeek on that list??????????

      GP: 1424

      G: 522

      A:541

      P:1063

      PIM: 2905

  6. storminator16 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    Same argument was running through my head yesterday. I have to agree with Mr. Yerdon; I can’t see Lindros not making the hall past 2015. When you compare him with Forrsberg; its time. Both players were the top players in the mid-to-late ’90s but both left the game early due to injuries. For many of us, we agree Forsberg should rightfully get in. I think many of us hold a lot of stuff against Lindros. It is time to drop it all.

  7. kastout11 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    I agree that it is a hatred for Lindros that is keeping him out. He should have been inducted a few years ago. He dominated the NHL for about 6 or 7 years, and he was an NHL All-Star for another 3 or 4. It is a crime that he is not in the hall.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:13 AM

      8 years of dominating play in Philadelphia. The only thing that could slow him down was serious concussions (courtesy of Scott Stevens and Darius Kasparaitis), a problem that wasn’t really understood during his playing days. Guys like Bobby Clarke perceived him as weak eventhough he was fighting through devastating post concussion symptoms. If it was 10 years later he probably would’ve retired following the Stevens hit. His brother (picked 9th by the Isles) had to retire bc of concussions before his career was even off the ground. The fact that he came back after 2000-01 should be an accomplishment in itself. Totally agree, he belongs in.

      The only reason he’s not is because people didn’t like his dad and he. But you gotta admit, he almost died in a tub (saved by Keith Jones), and the Flyers (aka Bobby Clarke) didn’t take it seriously. I’d be outspoken too, especially after his brothers problems right before this.

  8. dropthepuckeh - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Pretty sure the reason he isn’t in the Hall and why it will be a tough call each year is because he and his dad were such dinks…

  9. phillyphanatic77 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    This is a no-brainer. For anyone who got to see #88 dominate during his prime you know he belongs in the hall. His numbers in orange and black were downright disgusting. 659 points in 485 games… 8 years, small sample I know, but that’s 1.36 pts/game, better than Forsberg (1.25) from the start of his career til 00-01. Lindros then missed that entire 2000 season and was never the same. Concussions just destroyed the most talented player I’ve seen don the orange and black. But still, Forsberg and Bure show us that longevity is not a requirement for the hall. Lindros belongs amongst the best when you think about great players of the ’90s. Even with the injuries, 865 points in 760 games deserves its recognition. He’s a Hall of Famer.

  10. officialgame - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    If not for Scott Stevens Lindros would be in. He should have taken care of Stevens in his rookie year.

  11. eagles512 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    It’s a joke Lindros isn’t in. He was the best player in hockey for a while.

  12. pone27 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Anyone who was blessed (like myself) with being around to watch 90s hockey knows that it was easily the most competitive and well rounded hockey of all-time.

    Lindros was a beast, hands down. There was definitely a point where many people would have taken him over anybody in the league. He was such a big player, but also had amazing hands, a great shot, and great passing ability.

    I personally would take Forsberg over Lindros, but for Lindros to still not be in the HOF is utterly pathetic. If you are bringing guys like Bure into the Hall (which I feel he does deserve it) then Lindros most definitely deserves to be in there.

  13. quizguy66 - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    I’ve never seen a “big” player come up consistently small in the big spot the way Lindros did. I honestly believe that’s a big part of what’s keeping him out

    He suffers from the expectations that he entered the league with.

    I do think the one mistake the Flyers made was they should have brought Lindros’s idol Messier in the year that Messier left as a free-agent for Vancouver – I think that he was the one guy who could’ve taken the “C” off of Lindros, reduced the pressure on him, and maybe taught him a thing or two about being a top leader (and I say that as a fan of neither player).

  14. quizguy66 - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    When you look at his numbers, as the article indicates, the case is there for him. But it took them at least 5 years too long to put Pat Burns in so it’s really what you’d expect from the Hockey Hall of Fame. There were regular seasons where he just put up incredible numbers and that can’t be denied. But again, I think this is a case where the expectations are being held against him, which doesn’t make sense of course but this is the NHL.

  15. blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Found this info on the HF boards……stats for the 90’s only

    top 20 in PPG:

    Lemieux: 2.063
    Gretzky: 1.372
    Lindros: 1.356
    Jagr: 1.321
    Lafontaine: 1.298
    Selanne: 1.293
    Sakic: 1.276
    Forsberg: 1.249
    Oates: 1.239
    Kariya: 1.234
    Neeley: 1.221
    Turgeon: 1.193
    Hull: 1.183
    Yzerman: 1.173
    Bure: 1.164
    Mogilny: 1.117
    Recchi: 1.116
    Messier: 1.093
    Fedorov: 1.092
    Roenick: 1.078

    GPG 1990’s (top 10 centres):

    Lemieux: 0.843
    Lindros: 0.597
    Lafontaine: 0.541
    Sakic: 0.486
    Turgeon: 0.483
    Yzerman: 0.453
    Modano: 0.453
    Fedorov: 0.448
    Nieuwendyk: 0.448
    Sundin: 0.428

    By season (all players):

    93-94: 3rd in PPG (Gretzky and Neeley ahead.)
    94-95: 1st in PPG
    95-96: 3rd in PPG (Lemieux and Jagr ahead.)
    96-97: 2nd in PPG (Lemieux ahead.)
    97-98: 7th in PPG (Kariya, Jagr, Forsberg, Selanne, Modano and Turgeon ahead.)
    98-99: 4th in PPG (Jagr, Selanne and Sakic ahead.)
    99-00: 9th in PPG (Jagr, Sakic, Bure, Turgeon, Kariya, Recchi, Nolan and Selanne ahead.)
    01-02: 10th in PPG

    GPG by season (amongst centres):

    93-94: 2nd (Fedorov ahead.)
    94-95: 1st
    95-96: 2nd (Lemieux ahead.)
    96-97: 2nd (Lemieux ahead.)
    97-98: 2nd (Nieuwendyk ahead.)
    98-99: 1st
    99-00: 3rd (Turgeon and Modano ahead.)
    01-02: 1st
    Now many of them are in the HOF?

  16. pitpenguinsrulez - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    As long as they have a picture of Kasparaitis hit on Lindros in the Hall of Fame I’ll be happy.

    • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM

        So you love this video as well

      • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:28 PM

        Sure why not

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:33 PM

        It was pretty funny!

    • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:33 PM

      Swept away!!!
      Where was Big Baby Eric’s leadership here?

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:59 PM

        As least they Flyers scored some goals in that series….Where is Sids leadership here

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:03 PM

        I mean seriously….2 goals from a team with the best 2 players in the world?……Wonder how that coaching search is going…..I heard Buggs Bunny is availible!

      • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:04 PM

        Right here. Where is Claudes?

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM

        Sid took this well

      • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM

        Nice but where is Claude’s Stanley Cup?

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:21 PM

        Can you tell me what other team other team in NHL history had a Conn Smythe winner that was suspended in the same series?….*2009

      • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:28 PM

        Keep grasping at straws

      • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 4:32 PM

        Straws?……Why cant you name the Conn Smythe winners that were suspended in the finals?

      • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:04 PM

        Malkin. So what? Still was a Conn Smythe winner. Also a Stanley Cup champ. You can’t say the same thing about your “leader”

    • elmerbrownelmerbrown - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:39 PM

      I know they have footage of him hittin on your old lady

      • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:47 PM

        Don’t be sad Elmer Fudd

      • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:48 PM

        I’m sure we can dig up some old black and white footage from 1975

    • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:26 PM

      At least Giroux was suspended for his actions….Malkin had an automatic one revered….Why?…….If it was upheld the Wings go up 3-0 in that series…Check the box score to see if i am correct…….*2009….Pens won that cup as a result of league help…..Say what you want but no Malkin in game 3 and no Cup in 2009

      • theageofquarrel - Jun 24, 2014 at 8:52 PM

        Ok. Keep telling yourself that so you can sleep at night.

  17. flyerspsu - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Lindros’ stats are actually deceivingly lower than the player Lindros was, the problem was Lindros spent a large portion of his shortened career as a shadow of himself due to concussion problems

    Lindros was one of the most dominant players in NHL history before the head problems, in his 1st 7 seasons Lindros put up 600 pts in 360 gms, a PPG of 1.66, that’s insane

    when it comes to greatest players of all time in their prime Lindros has got to be in the discussion right behind Gretzky, Lemeiux and Orr, for that reason I think he deserves to be in the HOF

  18. Tab Bamford - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Steve Larmer should be in already. How many point-per-game RWs w/ over 1,000 gms played aren’t in the HHOF? Throw in his iron man streak, his performance at the 1991 Canada Cup (leading scorer) and Cup w/ the Rangers, and he should be a slam dunk. I’m annually surprised at how overlooked he is

  19. Tab Bamford - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Steve Larmer should be in already. How many point-per-game RWs w/ over 1,000 gms played aren’t in the HHOF? Throw in his iron man streak, his performance at the 1991 Canada Cup (leading scorer) and Cup w/ the Rangers, and he should be a slam dunk. I’m annually surprised/depressed at how overlooked he is

  20. blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Here is another gem on stat info
    http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=17171784&postcount=2

    • quizguy66 - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM

      Apparently there needs to be an article on Ziggy Palffy’s case for the Hall of Fame – seriously forgot how good his numbers were. Probably would be having the discussion in fact if he didn’t home to Slovakia.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 24, 2014 at 12:40 PM

        Ziggy Palffy in those old Islanders fisherman jersey’s really takes me back. What an underrated talent he was. Even at the end if his NHL career with Pittsburgh he was dirty. One of my favorites.

  21. eagles512 - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    Not that this matters but i also never saw him lose a fight. He destroyed people. He tossed Stevens around like a rag doll.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

      For people who didn’t get to see him in his prime… he had size and strength like Lucic, speed/acceleration like Voracek (figured I’d make a Flyers comparison), and hands like Crosby, but he just stared at the freakin puck too much. Still, people remember him for the hits he absorbed; take a look at some of the hits he threw (or his fights) and you’ll understand what made him such a dangerous force.

      If he had his head up he could’ve sent Stevens flying… he’d done it before.

  22. hojo20 - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    I love the hit Scott Stevens laid on Lindros.

  23. rsl22 - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Does Roenick get in before Lindros is the real question. Both probably deserve it, but neither really ever won when it mattered.

  24. youpeopledonotimpressme - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    This ass pumper doesn’t deserve to take a tour of the Hall of Fame lol

    • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:36 AM

      Thanks for posting your hate instead of a reason for debate…..Have a nice day Sport!

  25. patricklee2014pjlee802 - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    scoring is one part of the game. Lindros dominated all aspects of the game esp. the physical part. How many goal scorers could check and fight like he did. He not only took on the best players from the other teams he fought their best fighters and defended his teammates like not other superstar before or after. Hall of Fame should be based on overall game not personal life. I dont have any idea what they are waiting for.

  26. jake1199 - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Lindros is no HOF material! If he would have gone to Quebec to begin with there would be no dispute of him being in the HOF! He cooked his own goose! HOF is not all about the #’s, it’s what the player put into the game and integrity! Lindros didn’t have any integrity at the time!

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:49 PM

      What a ridiculous argument. It’s not unheard of for a prospect to refuse to sign with their drafting teams… recently Justin Schultz and Blake Wheeler are good examples. It has nothing to do with integrity. If it’s a business for the teams it’s a business for players as well. And the HOF is absolutely about numbers. There are other influencing factors but numbers are usually the bottom line. What, besides signing with Quebec, would you have wanted 88 to do differently? Not say a peep when the Flyers were almost responsible for his death? Cuz the doctors said if he had gotten on that plane like the team ordered it would’ve been his coffin. That will cause a little friction. Be a better leader? He was the person that he was; he couldn’t change that. You think it’s easy being annointed the next Gretzky before you’re 18? Lindros did a pretty darn good job living up to expectations.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Jun 24, 2014 at 8:55 PM

      Actually he had lots of integrity. He stated he will not play for the Nordiques if they drafted him and he did not. Thats the textbook definition of integrity.

  27. nyrnashty - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    Where’s Pat Verbeek at in all of this HOF talk? There are only 42 career 500 goal scorers in NHL history and look at those PIM’s LOL!!!

    GP: 1424, G: 522, A:541, P:1063, PIM: 2905

    • blackandorangeforlife - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:01 PM

      Agree 100%

  28. bullwinkle88 - Jun 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    He belongs in the Prima Donna Hall Of Fame. I was there when he was drafted and refused to put on the Quebec jersey. He’s nothing but a big baby.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Jun 24, 2014 at 8:51 PM

      No you weren’t. Stop your damn lying son.

  29. wranglerick - Jun 24, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    Hey dont feel bad for eric, my islanders had brett

  30. xaile94 - Jun 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    huh…and all this time i thought it was Cam Neely who set the HOF benchmark that Lindros exceeded.

    • Rricardinho - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:17 PM

      RE >>>>> flyerspsu – Jun 24, 2014 at 11:26 AM

      in his 1st 7 seasons he put up 600 pt in 360 gms<<<<<<

      not quite, it was 431games BUT still incredible
      there was a good 4+ years where Lindros was indeed the best most dominant player in the league.
      Here is something I am not sure anyone has brought up

      only THREE Hart trophy winners ( not including active players) have NOT been inducted into the HHOF
      he will get in, if only because he played for the leafs :)

  31. vjtwentytwo - Jul 1, 2014 at 7:23 AM

    I think Forsberg has nothing to do with Lindros or his chances to get in the HOF. They are only linked by a trade and lots of players are linked by trades. Lindros’ biggest claim to HOF should be that Bure got in. The problem is that there are so many players coming up that deserve it way more than Eric Lindros, he deserves to be in but not before guys like Mark Recchi (who should have been inducted this year)

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