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Long-term fit? Subban, Habs face another round of contract talks

May 31, 2014, 9:15 PM EDT

P.K. Subban AP

P.K. Subban, an impending restricted free agent this summer when his current two-year, $5.75 million contract with the Montreal Canadiens expires, enjoyed a career season on both team and individual levels.

And, when it comes to his next contract, that is sure to mean a big raise in both dollars and length of term.

Subban, 25, has already emerged onto the NHL scene as one of its young, star defensemen, winning the Norris Trophy last year. But he took his game to new levels in 2013-14, setting career highs in regular season games played (82); assists (43) and points (53). He also put up 14 points in 17 playoff games for the Habs, as they made it to Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Final.

Oh, and he was named to Canada’s Olympic hockey team, which captured gold in Sochi. And although he did play much for the Red and White, Hockey Canada’s brass, led at the time by Steve Yzerman, trusted him enough to bring him on board the team as it set out to defend its Olympic title from 2010, which it successfully did.

“I’m sure everybody in hockey wants a long-term contract, but for me, it’s not just about that,” said Subban, as per The Canadian Press. “It’s about being part of a team that can win a championship, and I believe we have that in this dressing room.

“When it comes to contract stuff, that’s why I hire my agent (Don Meehan). That’s why we pay him. That’s his job and I’ll let him do his job. I’ve done mine, and he’ll do his.”

It was reported in November that contract talks between Subban’s agent Meehan and Habs general manager Marc Bergevin.

From ProHockeyTalk:

Subban is a RFA at season’s end and should be in line for a big payday. It’s possible his agent, Don Meehan, will be eyeballing the seven-year, $45.5 million deal Ottawa’s Erik Karlsson got on the heels of his Norris award . . . 

  1. dohpey28 - May 31, 2014 at 9:24 PM

    Let’s not forget to add his ability to embellish, the Canadiens love that sort of thing.

    • matt14gg - Jun 1, 2014 at 11:22 AM

      That’s fine and I agree, but I also believe players take on the identity of the team they play for. The diving culture is whole-heartedly accepted/nay/encouraged by the Habs team, fans and media. I honestly believe if PK played for a team with a different type of identity (i.e Bruins, Blackhawks, Red Wings, Flyers, etc.) he would not play that style or would at least tone it down. Let’s face it: PK doesn’t need to play that style to be effective, but clearly there’s no one in Montreal telling him not to.

  2. areaman714 - May 31, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    If they don’t max this guy, someone will.

  3. frozenpondwater - May 31, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    He’s gonna be one of the highest paid defensemen and will probably get an average cap hit of $7.6 million a year for 8 years.

  4. capsnbohs23 - May 31, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    back the brinks trucks up Montreal, this guy is worth it. i say 7 years at 7.5mil

  5. chip56 - May 31, 2014 at 9:45 PM

    He’s not as good as McDonagh

    • flyboystransport - May 31, 2014 at 9:57 PM

      How do you figure?

    • phillyphanatic77 - May 31, 2014 at 10:52 PM

      Subban is better offensively but yeah, Mcdonagh is better all around. Still I really expect him to reach the $8 million plateau. Dreger said he could even garner 9 but I’m not so sure Bergevin will dig that deep.

      • isithockeyseasonyet - Jun 1, 2014 at 10:29 AM

        I would take mcdonagh without thinking twice, idk how these defenseman get these monster contracts who suck at playing defense, if you look at the last 5 cup winners, one of the major commonalities is they all have a stud defenseman that can play against other teams top line, subban would have been lost against the kopitar line or the toews line, mcdonagh won’t be…and I hate the rangers

  6. justinpecora50 - May 31, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    Considering Emelin will make $4 million for his 17 points and -1 and let’s not forget about his stellar play in the ECF. He should get a raise.He had a good year statistic wise , BUT, his defensive numbers included a -4 and he was in the top 10 in penalty minutes, He’s dynamic and has earned a big raise, I suppose if they can pay Dion $8 mil he should get 7, they have plenty of cap space.

    • justinhbhb - May 31, 2014 at 11:31 PM

      He has a No trade clause too. Not sure why he has that AND a 4mill+ contract. He isn’t THAT good lol

    • dueman - Jun 1, 2014 at 5:04 PM

      Except Dion doesn’t get $8 mil…

      • justinpecora50 - Jun 3, 2014 at 3:06 AM

        Actually he’ll get $5.5 mil next year and $8 mil the next 2 years,

  7. LampyB - May 31, 2014 at 10:53 PM

    He’s as good at embellishing as he is playing. Should get around $7.4M a season and will be worth every penny.

    • joey4id - Jun 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM

      His cap hit will be approx. 8 mil., but his salary should be close to 11 or 12 mil if not more.

  8. govtminion - May 31, 2014 at 11:09 PM

    I’d love to see the Bruins make an offer.

    Not to get him, mind you, but it sure would be funny to stick it to the Habs a bit by forcing them to find a way to match an offer they don’t want to.

    • packerswin96 - Jun 1, 2014 at 12:24 AM

      As if PK would sign an offer sheet with the Bruins, after all the racist crap that spewed from their fans. His brother can’t wait to finish his entry level contract so he can get the hell away from that organization and their fans.

      • govtminion - Jun 1, 2014 at 1:39 AM

        Yeah, those 200-odd people out of an entire fan base? Them?

        I’m sure no other team has a small minority of idiots among their fans, after all.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 1, 2014 at 1:40 AM

        Huh?

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 1, 2014 at 1:44 AM

        This is written by the ultra-liberal, can’t wait to spread a language police, fake controversy story;

        http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/05/28/how-subban-tweets-became-digital-wildfire/CMA03Lk8WR1r8Vt2EcQJfM/story.html

        To determine which topics are “trending” in a specific region, Twitter’s algorithm monitors Internet protocol addresses and cellular tower locations. From those two sources, Twitter highlights an area’s 10 most actively used words, which are then considered “trending.”

        On May 1, the n-word never trended in Boston.

      • drewzducks - Jun 1, 2014 at 1:50 AM

        fudgepacker spewing more idiocy…he ALREADY plays in the most racist city in the NHL, or are Habs fans wearing black face a common occurrence in Montreal ?

      • matt14gg - Jun 1, 2014 at 9:18 AM

        “packerswin96″…

        it’s already been proven that most of the racist Subban tweets came from Canada. Check the Deadspin article.

        You are the worst kind of idiot. The kind that uses generalizations and stereotypes to form opinions. Does that ring a bell? It should because it’s the very playbook that all racists use. So in short you are no better than, and in fact exactly the same as, the idiots you think you are superior to.

        And honestly, even though it’s already been proven that far more of the racist Subban tweets came from Canada, and very few came from Boston, it’s still a silly, red-herring of an argument. If you think you can characterize a certain place by something some brain-dead coward posted on Twitter you are even dumber than I am imagining. There are racists everywhere, and even with that being the case racists make up about 0.001 of the North American population. Tho I suspect deep down you are probably one of them.

        And finally, believe me when I tell you (tho I doubt you will, cuz you are the kind of person who hears what you want to hear), if P.K. Subban came to Boston he would be a rock star, just like David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, Jim Rice, Luis Tiant, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Willie McGinest, Robert Parrish, Jo Jo White, Paul Pierce, Jarome Iginla and Willie O’Ree (look him up) are.

      • tdrusher225 - Jun 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM

        Right because a handful of dumb people on twitter, none of whom are affiliated with Bruins and many weren’t even Bruins fans or from Massachusetts at all, is going to determine a player’s free agency decision and define an entire city and fanbase as racist. If PK was looking to avoid cities with jerk fans who say whatever they want on the internet, he’ll probably have to stop playing altogether. Those people are everywhere and the only reason it was a story is because the media sought it out, blew it out of proportion, and got their headlines.

    • matt14gg - Jun 1, 2014 at 9:30 AM

      I agree, but let’s face it…no one in the NHL ever poaches RFA’s. It’s too bad, I’d love to see it happen. Just look at Stamkos when he was an RFA…he never even got an offer. I’m surprised the NHLPA has not pushed charges of collusion, but for whatever reason everyone seems to be ok with it. There was the Kjallmarsson case and one or two others, but it’s very rare.

      • joey4id - Jun 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM

        Shea Weber signs 14-year offer sheet with Flyers

        http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/shea-weber-signs-14-year-offer-sheet-with-flyers-source-1.1200629

      • matt14gg - Jun 1, 2014 at 4:39 PM

        Yes Joey, as I stated, “…one or two others…” Please tell me you’re not making the case that RFA’s get offer sheets all the time, or even most of the time, cuz they don’t.

    • frozenpondwater - Jun 1, 2014 at 11:00 AM

      I don’t think the Bruins have the cap space to make that happen especially if they wanna sign Krug.

  9. dolphincult - Jun 1, 2014 at 12:58 AM

    Pay the man

  10. ribs108 - Jun 1, 2014 at 1:31 AM

    PLEASE Toronto – offer sheet!!! Surely PK is sick of playing for Therrien – and Bergevin never came to his defense when the coach was trying to rein him in. He’d also make a TON more in endorsements since the only english channels in Montreal get a fraction of the viewers as the big Toronto stations. For his career and his sanity, PK needs to got to T-O!!! Olé!!!

  11. hockeyflow33 - Jun 1, 2014 at 1:41 AM

    He is a terrible defenseman and I don’t understand why the media refuses to recognize it. Sure, he puts up a lot of points and is a weapon on the PP but he makes terrible defensive decisions.

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Jun 1, 2014 at 5:35 AM

      I’m glad someone see’s it the way I do. It’s crazy how people think he’s good all the sudden. I hope he gets 9 million to screw Montreal’s cap all up. I wouldn’t pay him 7. His cap hit might actually end up bigger then his ego. I don’t think even half his team even likes him

    • matt14gg - Jun 1, 2014 at 9:25 AM

      I don’t think he’s terrible…LeTang is terrible, Phaneuf is terrible. PK can be an adventure in his own zone, but he battles and is a physical presence. And please don’t say Phaneuf is “physical”…Phaneuf is a cheap shot artist who likes to blindside guys. That’s not the same as manning up a guy and wearing him down, which is what PK can do.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 1, 2014 at 1:06 PM

        Haha no, Phaneuf is physical but to the point where he’ll give up odd-man rushes so he an lay an average check.

        Subban takes horrifically bad routes to the puck and gets caught pinching at the blue line way, way too much.

    • joey4id - Jun 1, 2014 at 3:31 PM

      The media will not be influencing the contract negotiation, so you’re point is irrelevant. His agent will compare him to other like defensemen to make a case for his salary and I guarantee you he won’t be asking the media how much they think should be paid.

      broadstreetsbaddest88, you and your bud flow33 clearly have no idea about the contract negation process. Here’s an idea; read a book.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

        I haven’t heard of contract negations before so that’s different.

        And if you think his agent isn’t salivating over the fact that the media is pumping up his client you’re out of your mind. Subban and his agent are loving that the media and fans are acting like his departure is the downfall of the franchise. Agents and Management feed information to the media to shape public perception before making big decisions. It’s why the Bruins leaked a whole bunch of negative stories about Seguin and blasted him in their tv show before trading him.

      • joey4id - Jun 1, 2014 at 7:24 PM

        “It’s why the Bruins leaked a whole bunch of negative stories about Seguin and blasted him in their tv show before trading him.” Hahaha! Good move! How did leaking negative stories help his maintain his value on the hockey trade market?

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 1, 2014 at 9:17 PM

        Because teams have their own internal scouts and understand that what went on wasn’t a big deal while the morons in the media create a controversy

      • joey4id - Jun 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

        Oh! I see. the scouts see through the BS and so do fans. I mean. If you see through it then surely other fans do as well. What’s the purpose of leaking stories of everyone knows it’s an inside job?

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 1, 2014 at 9:30 PM

        The majority of fans are morons, it’s why major markets allow writers and media members to be employed despite knowing nothing about the game.
        Say what you will about being wrong but I bet a large portion of the usual commenters on here would write more intelligent and hockey-centric articles than any hockey writer in a major market.

      • joey4id - Jun 1, 2014 at 7:08 PM

        So! The media is pumping up Subban…. Big deal! As if that plays a factor when they negotiate. Sure! The agent can use the argument that he’s a fan favorite. Big deal! How did that work our for him last time they negotiated a contract? He missed the start of the season. They feed information to the media…. really! That’s the oldest trick in the book. We all saw that during the NHLPA/NHL negotiations. What’s your point? All this brouhaha takes precedence of stats and what Doughty is making for example.

  12. vipod4ever - Jun 1, 2014 at 7:33 AM

    PK defensive ceiling is still high, not a complete D man yet! Reminds me of Paul Coffee in the early days. I can’t stand him, which as a long time Bruins fan tells me I want him on my team. His game will him improve over the next 5 years. Chara is getting long in thr tooth, and Krug/Subban PP line gives me chills….make an offer!

  13. papajack1259 - Jun 1, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    A franchise player embellishments aside he is one of the top 4-5 D men in the East if not Hockey He will break Montreals bank or look sweet in Black and Gold either way he is a talent

  14. polishblue - Jun 1, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    PK is talented as hell, but i’d select McD over him any day…

    this guy talks way too much, falls whenever he can, and is pretty outspoken. it’ll be funny when he gets a phanuef contract and then habs are stuck with him and his outspoken self for the long run.

    thanks again montreal, #27 is probably going to get paid less than PK, yet he’ll deliver even more

    • joey4id - Jun 1, 2014 at 3:33 PM

      Outspoken! Can you find just one quote to support your allegation?

      • dschrode2013 - Jun 1, 2014 at 10:20 PM

        “I feel sorry for any team that has to come into our building and our city,”

      • joey4id - Jun 2, 2014 at 12:04 AM

        That’s relatively tame. But I suppose if you dislike the guy you can use this quote to say he is outspoken. I mean if he would have said “we’re going to rock and whip any team that comes in our building” then I’d say you have a case.

    • matt14gg - Jun 1, 2014 at 4:47 PM

      If you think signing PK to a top level contract is a mistake because he’s “outspoken” I’d say you just don’t like him personally. He is very animated on the ice and that can be grating on an opponent, but off the ice he is one of the most well spoken ambassadors in the game. He actually gives interesting quotes, but never disrespects an opponent. I just don’t get the hate (other than the uniform). He is a great player and one of the rare “difference makers” in the game.

  15. muckleflugga - Jun 1, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    matt14gg

    insofar as pk subban is concerned, i think he’ll draw top dollar and will be the highest paid defensemen in hockey … montréal will be his home for years to come

    insofar as the derogatory tweets regarding subban were a concern, i found myself equally concerned with exploitation of the issue by national media in canada particularly, feeding self-righteously at the racism barrel –all making money from racism it would seem

    if racism from fans of sport is an issue, one might ask why hockey is so white and basketball so black … and one might ask why neither are accessible to fans in every income demographic –how many inner-city kids see hockey or basketball games live, let alone from the bowl for instance

    is poverty product of racism

    perhaps the self-righteous millionaires attacking donald sterling while slavering after his team have the answer …

    you know the ones, those who take a bite out of every outrageously over-priced basketball shoe or jersey, knocked-off in bangladeshi sweatshops by people making four dollars a week and sold unabashedly to impoverished inner city youth hoping to buy a piece of their gluttonous heroes

    i agree with your position on generalizations drawn from social media where the technology itself becomes the message … i disagree with your estimation on degree of racism but agree it is everywhere, often sublimated in answer to demands of political correctness

    still, i doubt tweets are the best means of measuring racist attitudes, beyond providing sampling of people with access to attendant technology … sampling from tweets appear to cast boston and the state of massachusetts in a favourable light all the same

    maps of racism generally, tie the behaviour in north america to plantation culture, and the numbers are staggeringly high in this so-called enlightened age … we’re talking thirty to forty percent of the population

    http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephens/hate/hate_map.html#

    • matt14gg - Jun 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM

      MF,
      I never thought we’d see common ground, but I wouldn’t quibble with anything you said. One minor point: You ask “…is poverty a product of racism?…” and to me the answer is “yes”, poverty is the result of racism, along with about a million other factors (exagerrating only slightly). To me we get far too caught up in “race” when the real struggle is about “class”. The class struggle is never going away, but not just because of the oppressors, but also because of the disintegration of “families” and “education”. To blame any social condition on any one single factor is way too simplistic. Also, if I understand you correctly you claim 30-40% of the population is “racist”? I simply don’t believe the number is nearly that high, and I’m not really sure how you would quantify something like that anyway.

  16. joeman26 - Jun 1, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Plekanec: Flopping center and his Montreal mates could be the poster boys for the NHL’s diving epidemic.

  17. gallyhatch - Jun 1, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    I’ve tried hard to respect Subban. He says all the right things off the ice, when there’s a microphone in front of him, he’s a great ambassador for the game.
    He’s an incredibly skilled, talented & effective player and will get paid a large amount of money for the forseeable future. (deservedly so in my opinion)

    The one reason I can’t totally admire the guy is his diving & flopping antics, it’s too much to take. I also believe this is more of a nurture thing as opposed to a nature thing. If he was to land on another team I think we would see a lot less of this bs.

    I hope he stays put in Montreal. I hope he makes bank and is a huge salary cap hit for them, but the biggest reason I want him to stay there is the fact that I love him as a rival. He’s an awesome hockey player, and difficult to play against, easy to hate, all those silly clichés. The dude’s a beast. I love to see the Bruins beat him, and I HATE to see the Bruins lose to him.

    He’s perfect for the Boston/Montreal rivalry and I hope he’s a part of it for years to come.

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