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Moore suspended two games for hitting, injuring Weise

May 28, 2014, 5:40 PM EDT

New York Rangers defenseman John Moore has been suspended two games for an illegal check to the head of Canadiens forward Dale Weise.

The hit occurred Tuesday night in Montreal, during the third period of Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Final. Moore was assessed a match penalty by the officials.

In making its ruling, the NHL deemed that Moore drove “up and into” Weise while delivering a check that made Weise’s head the “main point of contact.”

The league also ruled that the hit caused an injury, even though Weise “returned to the game and completed it.” It’s since been reported that Weise suffered a concussion as a result of the hit.

The league did, however, note that Weise was eligible to be hit on the play, i.e. it was not a late hit.

Rangers coach Alain Vigneault did not believe that the hit was worthy of a suspension.

Earlier in the series, Montreal forward Brandon Prust was suspended two games for injuring New York’s Derek Stepan with a late hit.

  1. blockedshotnyr - May 28, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    This hit was not late, Weise was not injured, Moore does not have Prust’s infraction history and Moore was hit with a five minute penalty and ejected from the game when Prust was not. It seems like every single criteria that the Safety Department could look at pointed towards a reduced penalty from what Prust received.

    How is this fair? How does this make any sense?

    • 950003cups - May 28, 2014 at 5:52 PM

      Prust came from in front. Moore came from behind. Claude Giroux did it to Danius Zubrus in the 2012 playoffs and was also suspended. Giroux had no priors either. Plus, in a way, he had a tiny reason to lose his cool.

    • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 5:55 PM

      According to the NHL, Weise was injured. NHL used the following key points to justify their decision; (it was not a late hit)

      – illegal check to the head (head was the main point of contact)

      – Injury

      – No history

      • blockedshotnyr - May 28, 2014 at 5:59 PM

        So essentially, it was a hit to the head. Weise missing a shift is not an injury on par with a broken jaw.

      • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 7:25 PM

        Again! It was an illegal check to head which means a more severe suspension. Prust was not an illegal check to the head. The head was not targeted.

      • charlie24zz - May 28, 2014 at 6:07 PM

        Once you start determining suspension times based on the severity of the injury, it becomes a very slippery slope. Who’s to say a team wouldn’t lie about the injury status of a player to get more suspension time for the aggressor?

      • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 7:26 PM

        They been determining suspensions based on the severity for some time now. That’s what the owners and players agreed on. It’s in the CBA.

      • 950003cups - May 28, 2014 at 6:27 PM

        Stepan has a glass jaw, Weise doesn’t. Stepan needs to eat his Wheates

      • imleftcoast - May 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM

        Say what you want, but not many guys would get up from that hit. Weise was woozy, and PK held him up. He should not have returned, and the Montreal organization loses credibility with me rushing him through the protocol and putting him back on the ice in the third period.

      • arrow43050 - May 28, 2014 at 8:34 PM

        joey….did you have a marijuana? are you some kind of special person who needs help getting onto and off of the short bus? you should know that the jaw is on a person’s head and the blow from Prust BROKE HIS JAW. How can you POSSIBLY contend that Prust’s check was not an illegal blow to the head when it broke his jaw which is PART OF HIS HEAD? Are you saying that the force of Stepan’s head moving is what broke his jaw because that is the only possibility. Go have another marijuana.

      • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 10:49 PM

        arrow43050, Ok smart a$$. I see someone needs a bit of hand holding to understand the difference between an illegal check to the head and a late check. 1) NHL did not qualify Prust’s check as an illegal check to the head. They called it a late hit… i.e. interference 2) NHL qualified Moore’s hit as a direct head shot. In other word an illegal check to the head.

        Here’s where it comes interesting. Hard as it may be, try to follow. Prust’s main point of contact was to Stepan’s chest. On the follow through after making contact with the chest Prust’s shoulder makes contact with Stepan’s jaw. Did you get that? In other words, the main point of contact for Prust was the chest. The main point of contact for Moore was the head. If you don’t understand the difference then you’re a moron.

      • arrow43050 - May 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM

        Joey, I don’t care what the NHL called it, I want to know what you call it. Do you honestly think that Prust’s hit wasn’t a hit to the head? Just because the NHL did not label the hit as a hit to the head doesn’t mean they didn’t view it as one since the broken jaw is prime facie evidence of a hit to the head. I want to know what you call it because you are arguing about the justice of the length of the suspension and the only way to argue relative justice amongst suspensions is to compare their length. The only way that you can argue that Prust’s suspension should not have been longer than Moore’s suspension, since this is an argument that you, not the NHL, is making, is if YOU think that Prust’s hit wasn’t a hit to the head. It’s a very simple question: do you think that Prust’s hit was a hit to the head?

      • joey4id - May 29, 2014 at 12:07 PM

        The brunt of the hit was to the chest, whereas brunt of the blow for Moore’s hit was to the head. Not everything is black or white, on or off.

    • canadiansportsfan77 - May 28, 2014 at 6:30 PM

      Head was the main target of Moore, that is why. Weise was injured and pretty wobbly looking after contract as well.

    • canadiensfanno1 - May 28, 2014 at 11:11 PM

      Lol u guys still talking trash about prust one week later, please get a life and stop whining its just hockey for god sake

    • mackattack29 - May 29, 2014 at 12:06 AM

      Lol this is finally a fair judgment handed down by the Player safety dep., and you are complaining?!?! Prust didn’t deserve more than 1 game and if Moore had any prior suspensions he would have gotten a lot more than 2 games. He got off easy. So did the rest of the Rags… lol I’d hate to see prust ragdoll, another player like he did to dorsett in that fight. Does NY, do anything other than complain and try to act tough and then never back it up?

      • phuckyoteam - May 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM

        So Prust, who broke Stepans jaw deserves one game, but Domenic Moore who has absolutely no history of playing dirty deserves more than two? On a Dale Weiss who might be faking his injury? Does montreal do anything but cry when something doesnt go their way?

  2. joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    So, the NHL has indicated that Weise sustained an injury. After the check Weise was unable to stay on his feet without the help of Subban, which typically means he sustained a Grade One concussion. There is a huge flaw in the NHL’s concussion protocol. The SCAT test used to assess the severity of brain trauma is administered by the team’s on-site physician. There is no way Weise should have returned to play as quickly as he did. Would an independent physician have sent him back out?

    • 7mantel - May 28, 2014 at 6:27 PM

      Once you start determining suspension times based on the severity of the injury, it becomes a very slippery slope. Who’s to say a team wouldn’t lie about the injury status of a player to get more suspension time for the aggressor?

      Like a team with a history of embellishing ?

      • canadiansportsfan77 - May 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM

        Bang on, missed topic of conversation is Eller’s late hit from behind in the game. Would be a suspendable hit if there was an injury, but since there was none, its not even talked about. Still a dirty hit needing some kind of review.

      • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM

        “Once you start determining suspension times based on the severity of the injury” The players & agreed to this protocol, and it’s included on the CBA.

      • holymakinaw - May 28, 2014 at 8:40 PM

        you’re right mantel, I dont believe Stepan really has a broken jaw either….I can’t wait for tomorrow’s game…everyone knows Prust changed the entire momentum of that game, and he’s back tomorrow…no Ranger will dare fight him, well maybe idiot Dorsett would but we know how foolish he looked against Prust eh, so watch the game tomorrow and you better hope that the King gets his mojo back….

  3. emmaabby - May 28, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    Valid point but does not excuse the hit to the head. Moore is likely a good guy who made a mistake .

  4. muckleflugga - May 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM

    had it not been playoffs, moore might have seen four games, maybe six as the noose tightens on head-shot miscreants … dorsett meets the standard no-harm-no-foul protocol under-pinning an airtight nhl disciplinary process –image be damned

    it’s becoming apparent as the story evolves, derek dorsett’s grandmother once played bingo with a friend of the third cousin of gregory campbell’s great aunt twice removed, daubs macdonald … leniency was a appropriately given [ source: pierre mcguire ] … understanding the historical friendship of clans campbell and macdonald, eyebrows [ and claymores ] have been raised at the very suggestion

    dorsett on the other hand, has become the laughing-stock of every self-respecting soccer player the world over, all of whom have learned to deliver and practice proper head-butts from the age of eight

    imagine, hockey players being laughed-at by soccer players

    • jasminedonut - May 28, 2014 at 6:41 PM

      i am glad you don’t work in comedy, you’re not funny at all

  5. emmaabby - May 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    I repeat, Dorsett is a clown dressed up like a hockey player

    • sabatimus - May 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM

      Funny, I thought that was Subban. That jumping act a couple games ago should have qualified him for the triple jump.

  6. sabatimus - May 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    I figured it would be 2 or 3 for Moore. No excuse for that kind of crap.

  7. charlie24zz - May 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    Get ready for the Swiss Cheese Diaz, the most un-physical defenseman in the NHL!

  8. c1md6 - May 28, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    So weird that the medical staff cleared Weise so quickly last night, and now he has a concussion. Seems fishy.

    • holymakinaw - May 28, 2014 at 8:07 PM

      c1, yeah, sort of like Stepan jawin at the ref and played the rest of the game after he got hit, and only the next day do we hear broken jaw eh?

      • arrow43050 - May 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM

        @holymakinaw….you know you need an x-ray to diagnose a broken jaw, right? the rangers don’t have one in their dressing room, fyi….stepan was obviously in pain because he was holding his jaw…also, even if there WERE an x-ray available, unless there is a severe dislocation of the bone, you can’t get an effective x-ray shortly after the incident because the swelling needs to go down to get a clear picture of what is going on inside.

      • bmy0913 - May 29, 2014 at 9:42 AM

        And to speak to this further, you’ve clearly never fractured yours. I have. And what sucks is the intial adrenaline rush is overwhelming, as I’m sure also was his anger about the hit. For the first few minutes you have no clue how bad it is. But, then the swelling starts setting in, and it starts to lock up, and after a while you’re sipping protein through a straw. I had a hairline fracture with partial displacement, and let me tell you buddy, immediately after I was hit I was way revved up and ready to go. About a half hour later, I couldn’t close my teeth and it looked like I had a permanent wince on my face. The next morning, I had taken some ibuprofen to help the swelling, and yawned, and when that thing popped it was nearly enough to put me unconscious.

        If you watch the close ups of Steps from the entirety of game five, you can clearly see his jaw is set in place. His facial expression doesnt change, his mouth never moves. His jaw is broken.

      • phuckyoteam - May 29, 2014 at 12:24 PM

        If you watch stepan during the game he doesnt smile or show emotion at all. This is because his jaw is wired together you stupid canadian fool. He scores a goal and cant even smile. So Weise comes back on the ice like nothing happens and now he has a concussion, eh?

  9. jasminedonut - May 28, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    Moore should have got his money’s worth for two-games, he should have sent that balding puke Weise off in a stretcher

    • hawkeedawg - May 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM

      Donut, the world doesn’t need sports fans like you, wishing an injury, and by stretcher, you mean a serious injury, is the worst kind of fan alive.

      So it seems like Weise has gotten under your skin as much as he has the Rangers.

      • jasminedonut - May 28, 2014 at 7:52 PM

        Weise is a crap player, there’s a reason he’s an NYR castoff

      • bmy0913 - May 29, 2014 at 9:46 AM

        Yeah, you’re on your own for that one. Although I don’t agree with the suspension ruling, it was a dangerous play. Can’t have that. And this coming from somebody who thinks Weise is vile, and a die hard Rangers fan. Come on, we’re all hockey fans here.

    • holymakinaw - May 28, 2014 at 8:09 PM

      there there jasmine, have another donut….

      • jasminedonut - May 28, 2014 at 11:01 PM

        i am just enjoying the view from under my bridge, and this is my birth name

  10. nyking1963 - May 28, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    Why can’t NYR fans look at Moore’s hit and state the obvious..it was a dirty hit that deserved a suspension. Stop comparing it to Prust or other situations. Each one is different.
    Man you guys are the biggest bunch of whiners I’ve ever seen. The whoa is me attitude needs to stop.

    • sabatimus - May 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM

      Whoa?

    • blockedshotnyr - May 28, 2014 at 7:51 PM

      I think any Rangers fan would tell you the hit was dirty but the criteria that the Department of Player Safety uses does not point to this penalty being consistent at all with a prior ruling. This ruling in light of the Prust ruling just seems completely arbitrary because there are a multitude of supposed factors which are being completely ignored.

  11. nybadger - May 28, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    So, let me get this straight: Prust had a history, broke a guy’s jaw while hitting Stepan ILLEGALLY two seconds AFTER Stepan passed the puck and was suspended two games while Moore ADMITTEDLY makes a legal hit less than half a second after Weisse passes the puck and remained in the game and active going forward, and Moore who is NOT a repeat offender gets the same two games suspension??? How is this fair?

    • flowerdew - May 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM

      Timing was legal, not the hit. Head was primary point of contact = illegal.

  12. rpiotr01 - May 28, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    I don’t mind 2 games for Moore, I think Prust should have gotten 4. He has an infraction history, his hit was later and also targeted the head.

  13. nybadger - May 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    Agree with rpiotr

  14. nybadger - May 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    Also, Weisse must really be good at being an annoying douche and I’m starting to have a little more sympathy for Lucic for wanting to ‘kill him next year’

    • hawkeedawg - May 28, 2014 at 7:07 PM

      Another Rags fan with wearing rose tinted glasses, like Donut and the Rags, Weise has gotten under your skin to.

  15. phillyphannnn83 - May 28, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    The Rangers have quickly move to the front of the line of dirtiest teams in the League.

    • arrow43050 - May 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM

      LMAO you’re funny. You’re a Phillyphannnnn so I assume you’ve heard of the Flyers. Want front of the line for dirtiest teams in the League you can start there.

    • phuckyoteam - May 29, 2014 at 12:53 PM

      Rangers are dirty because moore made the same play prust did.YEAH. OK

  16. emmaabby - May 28, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    Really? Sympathy with someone threatening to kill another player? And you are a fan of what? Not hockey. Sad

    • homerx - May 28, 2014 at 7:22 PM

      @emmaabby – I recommend you watch the movie 12 Angry Men and then read your comment again.

  17. homerx - May 28, 2014 at 7:23 PM

    So the hit by Prust was not a headshot and legal yet resulted in a broken jaw. Magic bullet theory anyone?

    • imleftcoast - May 28, 2014 at 7:26 PM

      Magic shoulder pad theory.

    • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 7:42 PM

      homer, here’s an idea. Read the rule book and the CBA. You just might learn something.

      • homerx - May 28, 2014 at 7:57 PM

        I know the rules, the Prust hit was late and broke the man’s jaw. And emmaBABY, I see what the replay has showed me 10+ times. Either way we will be rid of these Hab fans tomorrow night and they can go cry about Lucic some more.

        I still recommend watching the movie though, most of you will learn something.

    • thesportsjudge - May 28, 2014 at 8:16 PM

      “Back, and to the left.”

      Wonderful Seinfeld reference.

  18. emmaabby - May 28, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    Nice try Joey but I think your beating a dead horse, folks see what they want to see, reality goes out the window

  19. muckleflugga - May 28, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    sabatimus, following her self-appointed role as list arbiter and critic, offering weighty one line rejoinder unburdened by substance, missed nyking1963 apparent attempt at humour

    the whoa is me attitude needs to stop … appropriate to play and to commentary … well played nyking1963, but we’re talking pearls before swine here

    in the meantime, everybody off to bed, joey has spoken, debate closed

  20. thesportsjudge - May 28, 2014 at 8:17 PM

    Well, if anything, NYR lose game 6 because the NHL wants a game 7 in Montreal, apparently.

  21. stakex - May 28, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    Well for starters, if Weise really does have a concussion (Idk, it seems fishy to me) than someone on the Montreal staff should be in trouble for allowing him to return to the game.

    Now what’s funny about this ruling is that virtually no one called this a headshot at first. The announcers during the game said that, like the Prust hit, it was shoulder to chest with perhaps a bit of head contact after the fact. That is the correct reading of the hit, yet there was no mention of a “head shot” when Prust was suspended… only that the hit was late. According to the NHL the fact that he exploded up into Stepan’s jaw really wasn’t illegal. Now however its worth two games when Moore does the same thing that the NHL didn’t punish Prust for?

    So this goes two ways: Either this suspension is correct, and Prust should have received more games for a late headshot that caused injury… or this suspension is BS and Prust’s was right on the money. Both can’t be true. Also, Moore had no suspension history and Prust did which only makes the fact that the suspensions were the same all the more questionable.

    In the end it comes down to this: Montreal fans were whining that this hit was exactly the same as the Prust hit. If the league didn’t had down the same punishment it would have had a riot on their hands.

    • charlie24zz - May 28, 2014 at 11:25 PM

      It’s because you’re watching on NBC, and they are huge American homers. Quit it with the riots, I like to call is celebrating exuberantly.

      “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” – Thomas Jefferson

      Isnt it time you guys start rioting over there?

    • hawkeedawg - May 29, 2014 at 12:19 AM

      CBC was all over it, said suspension coming for sure.

  22. papajack1259 - May 28, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    Do not agree one bit with this decision the league is sending a message that they are trying to stop “Violent Hits” the problem…..they are never consistent during the regular season so now on center stage they look like the bumbling do gooders they wish to be….just play hockey that was a clean hit otherwise have no hitting and let’s play in Sweden!

  23. nybadger - May 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    Holymakinaw, we won’t fight him. We’ll just shake his hand after the game…

  24. emmaabby - May 28, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    Just asking, does no fine or anything for Dorsett mean that head butting is now acceptable in nhl?

  25. nybadger - May 28, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    Just asking, is constant flopping and diving by PK and Plekanec now the standard by once proud franchise?

  26. canadiensfanno1 - May 28, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    Guys u made a mistake its not John Moore its dominic Moore. Change it

    • hawkeedawg - May 29, 2014 at 12:22 AM

      No, it was John Moore

  27. muckleflugga - May 29, 2014 at 12:36 AM

    charlie24zz

    did thomas jefferson not own slaves, one at least who may have borne his child

    perhaps the tree of liberty to which he did allude, was blooded with that of slaves, in the south particularly

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/opinion/the-real-thomas-jefferson.html?_r=0

  28. madmax80 - May 29, 2014 at 12:36 AM

    @arrow43050 – May 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM
    …also, even if there WERE an x-ray available, unless there is a severe dislocation of the bone, you can’t get an effective x-ray shortly after the incident because the swelling needs to go down to get a clear picture of what is going on inside.

    =============

    That is no where close to being correct. I’m a radiologist. XRays easily penetrate the soft tissues so they barely show up at all. You can see a little shadow of soft tissue swelling, but they in no way obscure the bones. I’ll say that mandibular (jaw) fractures can be quite difficult to see on XRay and you often need a CT scan to detect them.

  29. johnstone17 - May 29, 2014 at 5:47 AM

    Just a couple of things here. Moore was getting two games, period, chapter, verse. The claim that Stepan has a glass jaw: Let someone run their shoulder in to your face & we will see how it holds up. The claim that his jaw isn’t broken. Yup, the Rangers are going to hold out their #1 center to get a fourth line player suspended. Makes a lot of sense. As far as Prust fighting tonight, If that’s what’s on his agenda, then he isn’t worried about his team winning.

    • bmy0913 - May 29, 2014 at 9:49 AM

      This is great. Backed hard.

      Spot on.

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