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Update: League schedules Wednesday hearing with John Moore

May 27, 2014, 10:50 PM EDT

Update: The NHL will hold a hearing with John Moore on Wednesday, so we won’t wait long to find out if there will be supplemental discipline. It’s unclear if it’s a telephone or in-person hearing.

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Game 5 between the Montreal Canadiens and New York Rangers has had just about everything. Unfortunately, that includes a questionable hit, as Rangers defenseman John Moore received a match penalty for elbowing Canadiens forward Dale Weise.

Here’s video of the hit:

The reflexive comparison is to look at Moore’s hit on Weise vs. Brandon Prust‘s jaw-breaking check on Derek Stepan. Here are a few bits of conversation on that subject:

Moore, 23, hasn’t been suspended in his NHL career.

  1. lowenni - May 27, 2014 at 10:52 PM

    He’s not a dirty player but unacceptable hit. With no history I think one game is fair. Especially after the similar Prust hit and its punishment, I think you have to be consistent and dole out punishment here unless they can give a damn good reason not to.

    • mackattack29 - May 27, 2014 at 11:01 PM

      Has to be 2 games. No less.

      • bcniner - May 27, 2014 at 11:07 PM

        That was way more Flagrant! Clear headshot intent to injure gimme a Fn break

      • lowenni - May 27, 2014 at 11:22 PM

        Fair enough, I expect it will be 1-2 games just given his lack of history. We’ll see if Weise has any concussion symptoms which will likely play a factor in the ruling…his balance was off when he first came up and it was a dangerous hit: http://twitpic.com/e4vjqh

      • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 8:14 AM

        A clear indication that Weise suffered a concussion was the fact that he could barely stand on his feet after the hit. He should not have come back to play.

        ‘There are three grades of concussion. In Grade One, a concussion causes temporary disorientation. The person remains conscious and the symptoms are gone within 15 minutes.’

        ‘Regardless of the type of concussion, a person?s brain remains highly vulnerable for at least the next few days. Any additional concussions, which are sometimes called “mini-concussions”, can compound the damage that was inflicted by the first concussion.

        In fact, another concussion can be fatal – which is sometimes what happens with second impact syndrome, which happens when the brain and its arteries swell to dangerous levels.’

      • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 5:26 PM

        2 games it is mack…. good call!

    • lowenni - May 27, 2014 at 11:26 PM

      Also real classy move by Derek Dorsett here headbutting Mike Weaver: http://twitpic.com/e4vlig

    • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 8:07 AM

      it should be 2 games if the main point of contact is the head, and it was a blinded sided hit

    • habs9 - May 28, 2014 at 8:07 AM

      what Elliotte Friedman failed to mention in his tweet is that Moores hit was DIRECTLY to the head, while Prust’s was just late

      kind of an important point imo

      • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 8:15 AM

        Was just late…… Stepan suffered a broken jaw.

  2. idonthavethebloodyoucrave - May 27, 2014 at 10:53 PM

    Say good bye to one of the Rangers better face off men for atleast 2 games.

    • feedmetherock - May 27, 2014 at 10:56 PM

      John Moore is a defensemen.. Perhaps you should look up the box score before you try and run your mouth lol.. Enter Diaz for Moore.. No big loss.. 3rd pairing d-man

      • idonthavethebloodyoucrave - May 27, 2014 at 11:01 PM

        Mistakes happen.

      • charlie24zz - May 27, 2014 at 11:08 PM

        Putting Diaz in would be a serious blow to the Rangers defense…he’s a terrible player

    • lowenni - May 27, 2014 at 10:57 PM

      You sure? I didn’t know the Rags had defenseman taking faceoffs now…interesting strategy by Vigneault.

      Read the article, “Rangers defenseman John Moore received a match penalty”. You’re thinking of Dominic Moore.

  3. ludacrish05 - May 27, 2014 at 10:54 PM

    The king looked like the queen tonight, come on man, he better take care of business at MSG

    • idonthavethebloodyoucrave - May 27, 2014 at 11:05 PM

      It’s the system more than the goalie. Cam Talbot can be just as successful, and was more successful in the regular season, with what Vigneault has added to what Torts had in place.

      His stats are very inflated.

  4. joey4id - May 27, 2014 at 10:57 PM

    John Moore gets a hearing and a suspension. How about the head butt from Dorsett on Weaver? Another suspension. How about Dorsett spraying the kids with snow when the Habs were making their entry onto the ice? Should be a fine. Dorsett, Carcillo, and Moore, out. Prust in. Can we get another game 7?

    • dropthepuckeh - May 27, 2014 at 11:00 PM

      How about Bourque’s cross check to Dorsett’s head at the end of the game and then classic Montreal back pedaling away from confrontation?

      • mackattack29 - May 27, 2014 at 11:03 PM

        Only because dorsett slashed him first… lol rags don’t back up anything they do either.

      • avscup - May 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM

        You need new eyes. Clearly the cross check was on the shoulder and only because of what Dorsett did first.

      • joey4id - May 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM

        I just watched it again and I did see a crosscheck, but it was to the shoulder. If there was a cross check to the head, then I’m sure the NHL will deal with it as they should. Why should either team get involved in any skirmishes after the game? That would be very stupid of them.

  5. joey4id - May 27, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    So much for the NHL concussion protocol. Now way Weise didn’t suffer a concussion.

  6. muckleflugga - May 27, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    moore and dorsett are possibly done for this series … targeted head-shot and head butt and spraying a kid with a water bottle

    where’s rangers’ composure gone, surprising really, getting sucked-in to the emotion thing

    eastern conference histrionics, no class

    • mackattack29 - May 27, 2014 at 11:03 PM

      Exactly. Rags showing their classless roots.

  7. dolphincult - May 27, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    where are you now sportsjudge? You say us hab fans hide scared. Let me guess Weise took a dive!

    • thesportsjudge - May 27, 2014 at 11:18 PM

      I don’t get that channel. I am NOT a Rangers fan. It is a byproduct of them facing Montreal. Tell Weasel to not admire his pass and keep his head up. I believe that was how the comments go when Montreal hits others, right?

    • thesportsjudge - May 27, 2014 at 11:19 PM

      I also never said scared, Montreal fans just hide after losses. Don’t worry, I called out a bunch of Penguins fans on it earlier this post season, too.

    • thesportsjudge - May 27, 2014 at 11:26 PM

      P.S. You calling me out specifically, is a huge ego boost. Not gonna lie

    • thesportsjudge - May 27, 2014 at 11:37 PM

      No, clearly Weise did not take a dive. Pretty stupid penalty by Moore, actually.

  8. stakex - May 27, 2014 at 11:08 PM

    Well obviously the hits are similar. We’ll have to see if Weise was injured on the play, but there are already two points Moore will have in his favor compared to Prust:

    1. Moore has no suspension history… Prust did.

    2. As CBC points out, Moore’s hit wasn’t nearly as late as Prust’s was…. about half as late in fact.

    Now its important to remember why Prust was suspended… because his hit was extremely late and there was an injury. While Moore’s hit is late, its not AS late. Does that change the outcome? Possibly. Any possible injury to Weise also has to be considered. IF there is no injury, Moore will get no more than a game if he gets anything at all. If there is an injury, I think its safe to say Moore will get at least a game and possibly two.

    • avscup - May 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM

      The result is not as important as the intent. When you know it is a blindside opportunity and you shouldn’t make the hit but you do anyway, you are gonna sit. This was a pointless hit and another example of a player being irresponsible. No respect for your competitor. If Weise has the puck then it is entirely different but he didn’t have the puck.

      • stakex - May 27, 2014 at 11:32 PM

        Actually, the result is MORE important when it comes to the NHL handing out punishment. We have seen time and again hits that aren’t that bad receive stiff suspensions due to injury, while some very dangerous hits go unpunished because there was none.

        I don’t agree with that system btw, and think injuries shouldn’t even be considered in suspension. A bad hit is a bad hit, injury or not… and guys shouldn’t get off easy because they were luck enough to not hurt someone. That’s not how it is though.

      • avscup - May 27, 2014 at 11:37 PM

        I agree with your 2nd paragraph. As for the first, the NHL has been so inconsistent. They will look at this hit and regardless of injury or not, they will dole out a suspension. The Match penalty factors into it.

      • hawkeedawg - May 28, 2014 at 1:16 AM

        The hit was pure “Intent to Injure”, throw the book at him. When the helmet is the first thing to go flying, the hit was intent to hurt Weise (Dutch Gretzky) because he had a monster of a game. Two glorious primary assists and 4 hits in just over 11 minutes, most on the PK.

      • 950003cups - May 28, 2014 at 9:06 AM

        Actually the hits are not alike. Prust came from in front with primary target being the body. Moore came from behind with the primary contact being the head. NBC and CBC both said it was later than the Prust hit. Not sure when you heard it. But if you did it was changed.

    • idonthavethebloodyoucrave - May 27, 2014 at 11:47 PM

      The Dorsett headbutt should be a suspension as well. There’s no place for that.

    • joey4id - May 28, 2014 at 8:24 AM

      stakex, ‘We’ll have to see if Weise was injured on the play’

      It’s obvious that Weise suffered a Grade One concussion. The head was the main point of contact so it was a pure head shot. There is no doubt that it will be a suspension. 1 for sure but 2 is in the realm of possibility.

      ‘In Grade One, a concussion causes temporary disorientation.’

  9. manhattanraised - May 27, 2014 at 11:08 PM

    Montreal gifted a win. What a joke. keep giving them all the critical penalties, handing them all the momentum when they need it. only reasons the Rangers started getting any calls was because the habs actually capitalized. this time or it would’ve been 8-3 like game 4. Rangers only got compensation calls to hide the bias. that is crystal fkn clear. if Moore gets a suspension ELLER BETTER GET ONE TOO. refs completely dictating thie series & its CLEARY been in favor of the habs since game 3. I honestly don’t see the Rangers if this continues & chances are, it will. How many times has MTL gotten away with too many men? 2-3 times? NHL should be ashamed. They’ll be gifted a game 7. too much for the League to gain. then they’ll let them play in gm 7 & it’ll get ugly

    • dolphincult - May 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM

      waaaahhhhh manhattan. look who is the whiners now. Ranger fans in here last few days calling hab fans crybabies. Look who is crying about the refs now.

      • hawkeedawg - May 28, 2014 at 1:06 AM

        Look who are the whiners tonight, you can dish it, but can’t take it.

        The true NYR’s showed up tonight. Cheap shot artists that can no longer point a finger at any team for anything.

        The refs did not lose this game, Lunqvist and half of the Rags lost the game.

        This is Karma for the NY coaches sneaking in to the Habs practice…this translates to “OK, now we are about to hit panic button, lets spy on their practice”.

        In two more games, all you Rags fans will quite possibly disappear from this site.

        What was NY’s game plan, stay out of the box, so what happens, penalty 22 seconds into game and 3 possible suspensions coming up.

        What a bunch of sore losers, squirting water a kid. You don’t get any lower than that.

  10. bigwayne75 - May 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM

    Refs are Dave Jackson (Canadian) Dan O’Rourke (Canadian) there isn’t many American refs but they should have at least one American ref in each playoff gamelook at these refs home ice win% http://scoutingtherefs.com/2014/05/3560/tonights-nhl-playoff-referees-canadiensrangers-game-4/

  11. bigwayne75 - May 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM

    Refs are Dave Jackson (Canadian) Dan O’Rourke (Canadian) there isn’t many American refs but they should have at least one American ref in each playoff game look at these refs home ice win% http://scoutingtherefs.com/2014/05/3560/tonights-nhl-playoff-referees-canadiensrangers-game-4/

  12. restohpens - May 27, 2014 at 11:10 PM

    Weiss went back to the locker room to get the same surgery Stepan had.

    Came back and finished the game, too!

    • thesportsjudge - May 27, 2014 at 11:21 PM

      He obviously was seen by Dr. Briere.

  13. graymalkin26 - May 27, 2014 at 11:13 PM

    Match penalty is good for two.

  14. bcniner - May 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM

    If that isn’t 2 games someone should dump a load of Horse manure in Quintals driveway!

  15. graymalkin26 - May 27, 2014 at 11:15 PM

    Stupid New York fans haha.

  16. sticks169 - May 27, 2014 at 11:23 PM

    Another Canadien flop.

  17. graymalkin26 - May 27, 2014 at 11:24 PM

    You should change your name from thesportsjudge to thesportsidiot…much more appropriate.

    • thesportsjudge - May 27, 2014 at 11:34 PM

      Well, since you cannot figure out how the “reply” button works, I’ll say that 2 “fans” have called me out, specifically. Thanks!

  18. sticks169 - May 27, 2014 at 11:26 PM

    Look who is talking about no class, the effing Canadiens! Let’s play floppy since we can’t beat them at a real hockey game. 1 game. I suppose you think the series is over now a holes.

  19. thesportsjudge - May 27, 2014 at 11:36 PM

    I think Dale “Lampshade” Weise should start shaving his head.

  20. sticks169 - May 27, 2014 at 11:38 PM

    And I will try a new thing at work tomorrow. I call it Subbaning. I will flop to the ground if someone walks next to me, start having convulsions while holding my face like I had been hit by a rock. Think I will get a power play?

  21. tackledummy1505 - May 28, 2014 at 12:22 AM

    Lets face it the Rangers are a dirty team and they target team’s best players. They figure if they can rattle them, hurt them, or just get them out of the game then they have a great shot at winning. They did it in the first round, they did it in the second round and why not the 3rd round. Either way if the Rangers move on they don’t have a shot in the dark to beat either the Kings or Blackhawks.

    • bigwayne75 - May 28, 2014 at 12:40 AM

      Explain one example because Price because that was push in the back to Kreider. Sounds like someone’s butt is hurt, Rangers must of KO’ed your team or put a hurting on your team before. Also you know what is going to happen until they play the game.

  22. bigwayne75 - May 28, 2014 at 12:41 AM

    Explain one example because Price because that was push in the back to Kreider. Sounds like someone’s butt is hurt, Rangers must of KO’ed your team or put a hurting on your team before. Also you don’t know what is going to happen until they play the game. I had to repeat because I missed “don’t”.

  23. newkidontheblock14 - May 28, 2014 at 12:57 AM

    Obviously you’re all passionate fans but you have to open your eyes. This hit has less similarities to Prust’s than Paul Bissonette has with Gretzky…

    Key points for Prust’s suspension are as followed: extreme lateness, injury, and history. Prust’s hit came .98 seconds after Stepan had released the puck and taken 2 strides; Prust didn’t start the check until after Stepan had released the puck. His hit was far past the time a player is eligible to be checked. Now, Moore’s hit… Moore’s hit was .5 seconds after Weise had released the puck in which he had put himself in a position lower to the ice. Moore’s hit was within the eligible time a player could be hit, notice the lack of interference call… The hit was not late. As far as being an elbow that is another story.. Moore’s elbow was tucked and never made contact with his head. Upon review of the hit it would elude me as to why such a wrong call was made if the officiating hadn’t been horrible prior to this night. The reason elbow was called was because Moore’s elbow flails after the hit which is the way of nature, it’s physics. Video clearly shows the hit is shoulder to chest. IF there is a suspension (which would surprise me) it would only be a one game, as Prust’s was originally going to be a one game given Stepan hadn’t been injured.

    As far as Dorsett spraying the kids, yes that’s unsportsman-like conduct and he will likely receive a fine given proper video documentation. The headbutt is also another thing, headbutting, there’s no fine or suspension for headbutting which means it would be up to the Commissioner to give out discipline which would again require appropriate video documentation.

    If we want to talk fines and suspensions… We’ll talk. Embellishment is a fine worthy penalty, and given the Habs’ recent string most of them c[sh]ould wind up bankrupt. Subban, Plekanic, they’ve both done it. You want to talk suspensions? Eller had a hit from behind/boarding on Zuccarello, missed and called “cross-checking” the Rangers could request an investigation which should find him guilty of a hit from behind, which the league is trying to get rid of… Suspension worthy. At the end of the game, Bourque received a major, game misconduct for cross-checking up high… You better bet if the Dorsett head-butt is investigated that cross-check will be as well as it is a suspension worthy penalty.

    If you guys want to talk, at least look at both sides and read the rules… They’re available online -> http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/pdfs/2012-13_RuleBook.pdf

    • bigdaddy44 - May 28, 2014 at 11:26 AM

      Newkid,
      Your assessment of the Moore hit is the only correct one seen here so far. The refs believed they were doing the right thing, but they got it wrong. It is a knee jerk reaction because of the Prust hit. The league will probably back up the error to cover the refs and for fear of backlash. It is the Royal Canadiens, you know. All you have to do is look at the video posted above. When it finishes, it freeze frames at the point of full contact of the hit (1:31). Moore’s skates are on the ice, his shoulders level, his elbow down. nothing raised to aim directly at Weise’s head. The hit was from Weise’s frontside, indicating partial responsibility to Weise for not having his head up. The elbow comes up after, as a result of the contact, not as a point of contact as the penalty was called. Borderline, yes. Can that assessment be made at full speed, no. Will the league do the right thing and admit the error? Highly doubtful.

  24. muckleflugga - May 28, 2014 at 1:32 AM

    newkidontheblock14

    while there’s no penalty for head-butting, there is a penalty for deliberate intent to injure

    if not seen by the referees or linesman, not unusual since there are only four, the league can rule on the play

    aaaah, the glasgow kiss, from streets to football … and numpties in these boards impart notions of sissiness to soccer … nae sae much in glasgae laddie

    fine maybe, unless damage occurred

    • thesportsjudge - May 28, 2014 at 10:10 AM

      Yet another clueless clown.

  25. dannymac17 - May 28, 2014 at 4:12 AM

    just want these guys to beat each other up as much as possible.

  26. papajack1259 - May 28, 2014 at 7:24 AM

    I love having no team to sway my emotion: 1) He did not leave his feet, check the Prust hit 2) It was shoulder to chest not elbow to head
    This shows the ineptness of the referees I could be wrong but was there a call on the Prust hit?
    Also imagine a embellishment call on the Canadians! The Refs do read the paper they may not watch the game to close but they can read

  27. emmaabby - May 28, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    rags get a life!!! Refs are bought! Refs are biased! AND refs are Canadians! Never heard such lame comments, you are ahead 3-2 and will likely win THIS series, try and win with a little class. Dorsett is a clown dressed as a hockey player

  28. montrealbbr - May 28, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    I hope he is suspended and the Rangers are sent a message that hurting opposing players is not how you win a series!

    • thesportsjudge - May 28, 2014 at 10:11 AM

      Oh, like breaking someones jaw?

  29. emmaabby - May 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    Man you must be looking at a different video! As an impartial viewer (Colorado fan) both the Prust and Moore are suspendable.

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