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Welcome Vincent Lecavalier to the trade rumor mill

May 7, 2014, 12:17 PM EDT

From the CBC’s Elliotte Friedman:

Pure speculation on my part, absolute guesswork: Paul Holmgren said this week one of the reasons Vincent Lecavalier struggled is because Peter Laviolette, who recruited him, left, and Lecavalier wasn’t a fit in Craig Berube’s system. Is there a trade fit now that Laviolette is in Nashville? Flyers would probably have to eat a good chunk of his salary, but Holmgren and Poile have a history of getting deals done.

Similarly, from Sun Media’s Chris Stevenson:

Add to the equation two things — the front-office shakeup in Philly and David Poile’s admission that the Predators need a “big-time forward” to complement Nashville’s defense and goaltending — and, well, we’ve got ourselves a realistic rumor.

We wrote earlier in the week about Lecavalier’s “tough year,” which ended with the 34-year-old logging less than 10 minutes in four of the Flyers’ seven playoff games against the Rangers.

Lecavalier has four years remaining on his five-year contract, with a cap hit of $4.5 million. (His average salary in the next four seasons is a slightly lower $4.125 million, as he was paid $6 million in the first season.)

According to CapGeek, Lecavalier has a no-movement clause, so he’d have to approve any trade.

  1. pigbenis69 - May 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    Flyers are like Game of Thrones the way they’re always killing people off. No one is safe.

    I have a feeling they’re going to sell the farm for Weber at the draft. Morin/Laughton/Lecavalier/+1st round picks

    • ethanmacleod1685 - May 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM

      Weber to PHI makes them scary

      • barkar942 - May 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM

        You need six good defensemen to be scary. That would only give you 1.5 with the others on the Flyers team, 2.25 if Timo stays.

      • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 1:03 PM

        getting an elite #1 is a good start, look at what Pronger did for the Flyers in 2010, he pretty much single handily anchored the defense to that cup final w/o even a 3rd pairing they could put up for more than a few minutes

      • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM

        damn now you guys got me thinking about Weber to the Flyers again, for a couple years I was doing a great job convincing myself that it will never happen but now you got me thinking about how great it would be despite how unlikely it is

    • themagicman1223 - May 7, 2014 at 12:36 PM

      I honestly don’t think the Preds are going to trade Weber.

    • gnashty - May 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM

      That made me lol.

      We will see what the Flyers will do with Hextall as the GM – he said he wants to put more into their younger players and draft picks. Shea Weber would take a hefty some to get. If the Flyers can move Vinny and or Hartnell it’s a winning offseason

      • bandree - May 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM

        As a Pens fan I would like Ray Shero to start trusting in their farm system as well. Every year we trade our farm talent for a guy who is one and done. I think that and Fleury has hurt our production in the playoffs.

    • hosewater2 - May 7, 2014 at 2:25 PM

      That package would not be adequate. Lecavalier has minimal trade value due to his cap hit and uncertain future.

      Flyers are going to have to eat some $$ directly or indirectly to move him anywhere.

      • jbink2585 - May 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM

        I personally don’t think he’s going to get traded, and yes if you sub in Schenn or coutz for Laughton thats exactly the type of package Preds will get. League is aware of the preds surplus of dmen, and their desire to prob not have to pay out the duration of that contract. Nash will not get much more than that.Also agree flyers will prob have to eat between 8-10 of the 17 mill remaining on Vinny.

    • jhisler - May 7, 2014 at 4:29 PM

      I agree theyll sell the farm for weber but thats the farm, the house, the first born children. More like Lecavalier, Read, maybe Coburn, a first and second. Maybe substitute read and coburn for the schenns. Weber still has a huge cap hit and massive salary that Im sure nashville would love gone. If nashville could get that kinda haul for him, I think theyd jump on it.

      • phillyphanatic77 - May 7, 2014 at 5:12 PM

        I don’t think there’s any way Nashville accepts that package, let alone “jumps on it”. We’d essentially be offering our garbage for arguably the best Dman in the game. It’s just not plausible. I’d imagine any trade package would start with Couturier. Then throw in BSchenn, Laughton/Morin, and another piece, maybe Read. Add to that multiple picks in the first 2-3 rounds and maybe, just maybe, they’d take it. But even then it’s a long shot.

        Pronger cost them a top-6 forward, our top D prospect, and two firsts and a 3rd… and he was 35 years old, not a true #1 in his prime.

      • jonnyhammersticks - May 7, 2014 at 6:21 PM

        Nashville knowingly matched that salary and in the process declined the chance to receive four first round picks from Philadelphia for the offer sheet. Especially after paying the bulk of his contract the past two years, there is no way they would trade him for anything less. Your suggestion doesn’t come close.

      • jbink2585 - May 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM

        @JOHNNY– Preds in essence are getting 3 first rounders plus a forward that fills need for them and flyers are paying 75 percent of there salary. coutz morin 1st vinnyy. I again don’t think he’s getting traded but Nash isn’t dealing from a huge position of strength. League aware of there surplus of dmen, there finical limitations. If traded they will get nice package but they will not break bank.

  2. President Charles Logan - May 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    when are the flyers fans and media going to stop the whole weber fantasy?? it’s not going to happen , get over it.

    • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM

      between Weber and Bobby Ryan the Flyers media will never give up on them

      the Preds are due to pay Weber his insane 13 mil salary for the 2nd season in a row on July 1st so unless somehow the trade happens before then which is very unlikely there would be no reason for the Preds to trade Weber anywhere for the foreseeable future after paying the 26 mil in the 1st 2 years of his front loaded contract

    • gnashty - May 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM

      They will stop when it happens or when he retires.

  3. WillIEverSeeACupInMyLife? - May 7, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    Nobody is trading for Lecavalier and that contract

    • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 12:52 PM

      the Flyers would have to eat up a lot of his salary if a trade were to get done

      • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM

        not saying its gonna get done, but if it were that would be a necessity

  4. flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    This would be great for the Flyers, I kind of feel bad for Vinny, he had over 20 teams to choose from and he picked the Flyers b/c of Lavy only for him to be fired 3 games in and Vinny to be demoted to the 4th line by the end of the year, a trade would be best for both Vinny and the Flyers if they could work one out

    • laxman1944 - May 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM

      Agreed, had no idea Lavvy pushed so hard for him, eat half his salary send to Preds for picks. Forget Weber Poile will be asking for core youth.

      • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM

        agreed, move Lecavalier and find better use for that money and roster opening that fits the flyers going forward better

  5. restohpens - May 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    I hate speculation articles but I believe this would be a good deal for both teams, if the Preds can get his cap hit down around 3 mil/ year.

    They’re really only a few guys away from contending(or at least playoffs again), if they play like they did the last 20 games of the season (12-6-2), and a veteran like Vinny guiding the young kids would be huge.

    I hope the Preds have a better year next year, Rinne deserves to be a contender again and I love watching Hornquist play.

  6. phillyphanatic77 - May 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    I wouldn’t mind if this happened but I’m sorry Poile is not that stupid. Lecavalier, while he looked excellent at the start of the season, looked like a shell of himself at the end. Maybe a Jagr-esque workout regimen would help him recapture some of his former glory but I don’t think there’s any team dumb enough to take that contract. Maybe he’d be an upgrade over some of the forwards in Nashville but he’s not a “big-time forward” anymore.

  7. jberd08 - May 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Maybe we can send Hartnell and Vinny to Nashville. Hartnell gets back to his old team, Vinny gets Lavi. I’d do it for a few draft picks. Please… just take them.

    • petersteelewannabe - May 7, 2014 at 2:19 PM

      I’d give them both away too for a D prospect for that matter, as long as he is fast.

    • har21441 - May 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM

      So, you’re telling me that the preds will give up a few draft picks for two overpaid, under performing, aging / old players with long contracts, so that they can: 1. Reunite one with his coaching buddy and 2. Get one back that they traded years ago?

      And this on a day where Paul Holmgren was PROMOTED?

      I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

      • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM

        Vinny has pretty much no value but Hartnell still does, looking at recent contracts in the past couple years; Clarkson, Ribiero, Clowe, Vinny, Bickell etc. a character power forward like Hartnell who still put up 20 goals and 52 points this year and has hit the 20 goal mark 7 of the last 8 full seasons with a cap hit under 5 is attractive to some teams, especially teams that focus so much of the forecheck and need scoring like Nashville

      • jberd08 - May 7, 2014 at 9:02 PM

        Well, I didn’t say high draft picks. A bag of pucks maybe?

  8. whammy71 - May 7, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    wow…..yet another “we’ll get ‘em next year” article concerning the Cryers. Such great reading during the playoffs!

    • goodolejr - May 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM

      At least be somewhat original in your posts. Same thing in each article, which is odd considering this one is about trading a player…not exactly a “we’ll get ‘em next year” article. Then again I can’t blame you, I’m sure reading’s not your strong point. You just look at the logos to figure out which ones to “comment” on.

      • whammy71 - May 7, 2014 at 8:31 PM

        You must be the one with comprehension problems….the article is from the team’s point of view….not the players. Try harder next time.

    • mcphillthy - May 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM

      Whammy you posted this on almost every flyers article already. Same material.
      Good rhymes, Dr Seuss. Flyers and cryers. Sooooooo original dude!! Keep up the good work, lil guy!!

    • courtjester1234 - May 7, 2014 at 7:36 PM

      Yaaawwwnnn……..zzzzzz *cough cough* you again? Try some new material.yep it’s so old the crust in your underwear is falling out

    • goodolejr - May 8, 2014 at 9:18 AM

      Uhhh…what? This one is about a player who may possibly be traded…nothing about this is “from the team’s point of view.”

      • whammy71 - May 8, 2014 at 7:14 PM

        Wow – you must be extra dumb…..Holgrem says Vinnie doesn’t fit the coach’s system….then it becomes a “trade rumor”. Nothing from the player nor his agent…..it is from the team’s point of view.

        I’ll ask if we can start getting picture books for you.

  9. gbart22 - May 7, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    Lecalvier is no longer a “big time forward” so if they trade for him and expect him to produce like when he was 28 well then they are wasting their time. People
    Have to accept him for what he is now which is a good depth forward who can put up 15-25 goals and maybe somewhere between 40-55pts.

    Also nashville shouldn’t touch that contract unless Philly eats half of it.

  10. gbart22 - May 7, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    Morin/Laughton/Lecavalier/+1st round picks

    That would not get you weber. Any conversation about weber has to include couturier at minimum and then the farm.

    • afrancis55 - May 7, 2014 at 3:55 PM

      Couturier? More like Giroux at a minimum.

      • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

        you do realize you dont have to give up a solidified superstar for another solidifed superstar, you can move a lot of good young talent and picks

      • pfhockey - May 7, 2014 at 5:32 PM

        1.You get a big D-man in Morin who is a prospect still, very young.
        2.Laughton has plenty of potential, will be a great defensive player. Similar to Mike Richards, Probably will be a 50+ point guy in his prime
        3. Lecavalier is still a solid player, can put up 50-60 points and 20+ goals in a healthy season most likely.
        4. you get a first or two.
        5. Nashville’s defensive depth potential is deep. Seth Jones to spearhead the crop.

    • flyerspsu - May 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM

      Flyers wont give up Couturier, it would have to be schenn who I dont think the Preds would view much lower if lower at all considering they really need offense and are already riddled with defensive forwards

      im thinking something along the lines of schenn, laughton, an above average prospect and two 1st rounders or a 1st and a 2nd

      thats a lot but I think I would do that

      • atwatercrushesokoye - May 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM

        Shea Weber has a $7.8 million cap hit for next year, the Flyers have $6.5 million in space with 6 positions to fill before that trade, now you’ve got (Schenn is an RFA so he doesn’t add money to that bottom line, how do you envision the Flyers trading for Weber and filling all of their other holes while staying under the cap? I’ll even give you the cap relief for Pronger which I’m sure you’ll mention, $4.7 million for 5 positions now,

        After acquiring Weber the Flyers will have 6 defensemen (not including Pronger) signed for $29,707,143 that’s 42% of the cap (if it’s at $71 million) tied up in 6 defensemen, that’s horrible cap management.

        Bottom line is the Flyers can’t afford Shea Weber cap wise, short of trading away high priced players and remaking the entire team.

  11. sumkat - May 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    Wait, not only did he give Vinny that much, but he gave him a no movement clause?

    Thank god Homer was finally fired (The Flyers are like a union, they don’t actually fire anyone but if you fail long enough the promote you to get you out of the way)

  12. flyboystransport - May 7, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    Ok lecavlier is owed 6.5 million next season with a 4.5 million cap hit. If the flyers took 2 million of the contract just for next season it makes his contact doable. Reason? His actual salary is 3 million the following season and less the following 2 seasons BUT STILL MAINTAINS A 4.5 CAP HIT. For a team trying to get to the cap floor this is a good contract

    • atwatercrushesokoye - May 7, 2014 at 6:24 PM

      Only if he can add value, he has to play on the first or second line (he can’t play a checking role on the third or fourth lines) is he valuable or s he taking a roster spot from a better prospect? If he’s just taking a jersey they’re better off spending that money on resigning their own players and adding value to the roster.

      • flyboystransport - May 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

        I wasn’t specifying about his role on the flyers. My point was everyone is making a stink about his contract being untraceable when it isn’t that bad. Right now he isn’t a 2nd line center here and can’t play wing neither. On another team….different story. He can still be a #1 or #2 center (hence the Nashville rumors). Pretty sure both Montreal and Dallas would still be interested

  13. pone27 - May 7, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    Look for the Isles to make a push for Vinny. With all the offensive loses they encountered, and all the cap room it gave them, it would not surprise to me to hear if they dabble.

    This whole Vinny and Weber involvement talk is a little too much. If Vinny goes to Nashville, Weber is not involved in the deal.

    You need a primetime young star, and some high end picks in order to pry away Weber. Philly cannot supply it.

  14. wethog66 - May 7, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    I thought Forsberg was going to be a “big time forward”?

  15. President Charles Logan - May 7, 2014 at 6:27 PM

    I was one of the few that said signing Lecavalier was a good thing and that he’d produce 20 goals or more .. he got his 20 goals but I didnt imagine him having the steady decline this quickly that he did .. of course the back injury didnt help . I still think he can produce 20 plus goals for a team in the right role, playing a more wide open system… so I say if you can find a taker for his services, the n do it now while you can at least get a little something back for him

  16. snipedanglecelly13 - May 7, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    No one wants vinny

  17. courtjester1234 - May 7, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    Hind sight being 20\20 would you rather have Vinny or kept Danny B instead of buying him out? Kinda sucks when the guy who fought to get you here is fired 3 gms in. I’m wondering if Chief would’ve rather had the later

    • jberd08 - May 7, 2014 at 9:14 PM

      In hindsight, I still think it was a good move to buy out Briere. Danny’s contract would have cost more than Vinny’s does now, and I don’t think Briere was that significant for Montreal this year that we really would have missed him. We just substituted one old guy for another. Arguably, Briere isn’t any better on defense than Vinny, so it’s not like he would have been great for Berube’s system either. I would have rather of just bought Briere out, and not bring in another veteran just past his prime with injury issues. Especially one that is most comfortable playing center. We were all kind hoping he’d take to playing wing fine and could be on a formidable PP with Giroux. The NMC is the hard part.

  18. valoisvipers - May 8, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    The Panthers with their new owner and his bag of money, might be a suitor for Vinny.

  19. kastout11 - May 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM

    Weber is not coming to Philly. Vinny might be leaving though. Does anybody really think Lavy wants to lose Weber right after accepting the job in Nashville. Weber is probably one of the main reasons why he took the job. They might be able to get a defenseman, but not Weber. However, I doubt Nashville will want to take on that contract in addition to Weber’s monster contract. I would love to see Weber in the orange and black though.

    • jbink2585 - May 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM

      Not sure its up to Lavy. I agree id put a less than 20 percent chance he’s moved. Preds have del zotto, seth jones, jossii, ellis predss extremely deep at d men, and lack the offensive punch Lavys system needs, but also will lack the $ they need to acquire the Offensive punch if they keep Weber bc Preds def have finical limitations.

  20. 311sucks - May 8, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    as long as poile is still trying colin wilson, the preds probably won’t go for lecavalier. wilson has the stature and the skill to be a good power forward but has been really disappointing.. we’ll see what lavvy can do for him.

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