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That’s a raise: Flyers sign MacDonald to six-year, $30 million extension

Apr 15, 2014, 10:45 AM EDT

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After spending the last few seasons as one of the NHL’s biggest bargains, Andrew MacDonald has cashed in.

Big time.

The Flyers defenseman, acquired from the Islanders at the trade deadline, has signed a six-year, $30 million extension with Philadelphia, the club announced on Tuesday. The deal is a monstrous spike from the four-year, $2.2 million contract MacDonald’s currently on — one that carries a paltry $550,000 cap hit.

MacDonald, 27, has been a presence on the Flyers’ back end since coming over from Long Island. He has four points in 19 games while averaging over 22 minutes a night, blocking 44 shots over the 19 games while dishing out 21 hits.

Prior to joining the Flyers, MacDonald had established himself as one of the NHL’s best value players — he logged huge minutes for the Isles (over 25 minutes a night) while leading the team in d-man scoring and blocked shots, also serving as an alternate captain.

In February, reports claimed MacDonald rejected a four-year, $16 million extension offer from the Isles amid correlating reports he was seeking $5 million a year.

Looks like he got what he wanted.

  1. thethorntonstrokes - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    hahahahahahahahahahaha

    • rbbbaron - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM

      LOL!!!

    • billiam55 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM

      Ryan McDonagh 6 years, 28.2 mil.
      Andrew MacDonald 6 years 30 mil.
      LOL
      Never change flyers!

      • narfmoo12 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

        McDonagh is 24 years old, so that 6 year/$28M deal eats up 3 years of being an RFA, which are obviously at a lower cost than if he was unrestricted. It’s a big difference in circumstances.

  2. ematusko - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Serious question: Isn’t this a little high? I don’t know much about compensation for players with this kind of makeup. I hope I’m wrong, but I feel like the Flyers already have too many overpaid D-men.

    • flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM

      the Flyers already had the highest paid defense despite none of them being even a #2 guy, this just adds on to that, Holmgren just keeps making the same mistake

  3. ironyisadeadscene - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    So he went from being one of the NHL’s best value players….to being overpaid

  4. alicesrightfootesq - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Thank you for the never ending lulz, Philly. Please trade Gostisbehere to Florida next.

    • ibieiniid - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM

      haha is that a Florida fan saying the Flyers are bringin the lulz?

      (apologies if not)

  5. storminator16 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    I remember many of you said months ago he wouldn’t get this contract. You were wrong.

    • flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:18 AM

      well he shouldnt have, but i guess we undermined Holmgren’s willingness to hand out long term big money deals to anyone he likes right away, it seemed like he was finally turning the corner and learning from that after the read, raffl and couts deals, apparently not

  6. ufostomper - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    If kimmo hangs it up after this year I’m fine with this

  7. killerpgh - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    I guess that means good bye to Timonen. The Flyers are now at 64.5 with this contract with 17 players signed (really 59.6 with 16 players signed figuring in Pronger). With the Cap expected to be anywhere from 69-71.1 million. They also have potential bonus penalties caring over form this year (Schenn, Coutier Raffli all had potential bonus from this season that could count against next seasons Cap Max). B Schenn needs a new contract. Need a back up goalie. 2 more defenseman, 4 more forwards to fill out the 23 man roster.

    • hockey412 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:15 AM

      Plus Read/Downie if they are keeping them, and Giroux’s new contract kicks in.

      I figured he’d get the $5M somewhere, though. Holmgren must like what he sees…not a great signing, but eh…the kid’s good. Maybe a little less good than $5M, but what’s the going rate on dependability these days. They want a cup.

      • flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM

        Read is signed for 3 more years at like 3.5 mil, Downie they definitely wont resign

      • erbaker67 - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:27 PM

        Gotta think that in 2 years this kindve “value” will be a better value. Cant really blame the Flyers for this deal. He is a good defenseman, and with Timonen gone (likely), this really isnt THAT bad of a deal.

      • flyboystransport - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:12 PM

        Coburn, L Schenn, Macdonald, Streit and Grossman are all signed. If Timmonen plays next season either schenn or grossman moves in a deal for a d upgrade. Likely both schenns go in a deal uf that happens and Raffl takes over 2nd line duties. Downie will be replaced by Adam Laughton and another forward will be added likely from another teams buyout

    • narfmoo12 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:56 AM

      Schenn didn’t even come close to the bonus … It was something crazy like leading the league in scoring or something similar. Raffl’s is $132K if he did hit it.

      They do need a back up goalie at about $1M, but they certainly don’t need 2 more defensemen as Lauridsen, Morin, Alt, etc, are all under $1M in the system, and Manning and Gus are cheap RFAs.

      As for forwards, Hall, McGinn, Schenn can be signed with the rest of the cap hit, and/or Laughton comes up

      • ibieiniid - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:19 PM

        which brings up Gus. the Flyers need to resign him. he gets better every single game he gets into.

      • zta7991 - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:43 PM

        Warning!!! This may be an unpopular post. I think if any forward should get traded it should be Laughton. I love Laughton and I think he will be a star in the nhl, but….the flyers are ridiculous deep at center. Think about it your four centers right now G, Raffl, Coutourier, and Vinny. Now add the flyers player who’s natural position is center. Schenn, hall, and rinaldo. Where does Laughton fit? Granted Hall will probably be gone. But Laughton has never played wing. So if he is going to be brought up he will be probably third line wing and will have to learn a brand new position as a rookie. There are far too many teams who only have two nhl caliber centers and will pay big for a shutdown center like laughton has the chance to be.

    • matthewmacisaac - Apr 15, 2014 at 8:33 PM

      Timonen has been hedging about returning next year, but even if he wants to return, the Flyers should let him walk. He’s not the superstar he used to be. his speed is fading fast. Gustafson could take his spot and not miss a beat. MacDonald has been great since coming over, so I like keeping him. They probably overpaid a little, but he doesn’t make the stupid mistakes that Streit does and he’ll be making less than that overpaid, one-dimensional d-man.

  8. atwatercrushesokoye - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Worst GM in the NHL! Flyers will now have about $3 million to sign 6 players for next year, including some RFAs.

    • goodolejr - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:54 AM

      With the cap likely going up around $71M, they’ll have around 6.5M in space, before Pronger can go on LTIR. They should also have a number of young guys coming in to take some of the open spots. If THAT doesn’t happen, we might have a problem but if it does happen then GREAT!

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:57 AM

        It was reported 6 weeks ago that because the Canadian dollar has lost about 8% in value, and that’s the currency a lot of the revenue is generated in, the cap is expected to be around $67 million next year.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:06 PM

        Also the Pronger relief doesn’t come until after the season begins until then he’s counted in the cap.

      • flyboystransport - Apr 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM

        Teams are allowed to be 15% over the cap by the time ofthe first regular season game so prongers cap hit doesnt matter

    • narfmoo12 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:57 AM

      Not even close to true.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:00 PM

        Look at his track record, outside of the one cup run 4 years ago the Flyers have always been an average team yet every year he trades for a bunch of big contracts a Nd it doesn’t pay off, this time this contract will likely cost them at least a couple of pieces from the NHL roster,. What am I missing that makes him a good GM?

        He might not be the worst as long as Edmonton keeps their hierarchy but he’s in the bottom 5.

      • narfmoo12 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:15 PM

        Flyers have made the playoffs 17 of the last 19 seasons, including all but 1 under Homer.

        How are Buffalo, Florida, Ottawa, Toronto, Atlanta/Winnipeg, Columbus, NYI, Nashville, Minnesota, Edmonton, Calgary doing?

      • narfmoo12 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM

        They’re also in the same boat as NYR, Vancouver, Washington, San Jose, etc…

      • coopjr - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:21 PM

        @atwatercrushesokoye

        So the Flyers not winning the cup in the years that Holmgren wasn’t the GM are his fault as the GM?

      • narfmoo12 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:29 PM

        Also… the following Flyers are 27 or younger: Giroux, Read, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, Raffl, B. Schenn, Rinaldo, MacDonald, L. Schenn, Gustafsson, with Morin, Alt, Hagg, Gostisbehere, Laughton, Akeson, Cousins, and Manning in the system.

        Didn’t Homer bring in almost all of those players??

    • goodolejr - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

      That report was speculation which didn’t seem to carry the weight of the speculation about it rising to 71M.

      And I know Pronger can’t go on LTIR until the first game of the year. This is why they start someone with the Phantoms and bring them up immediately following the first game of the year. My point was every year I see Flyers fans screaming about how screwed we are due to the cap, yet every year they figure out a way to make it work.

      • coopjr - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:23 PM

        Most of my fellow Philadelphia fans are educated by local sports talk radio. That is to say they have a poor education.

      • goodolejr - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:26 PM

        Haha agreed. I’m also from Philly and it hurts my brain the way some of these beat writers and radio hosts talk about the team. I swear sometimes it seems like the writers don’t even watch the games they’re covering.

      • zta7991 - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:51 PM

        Hahaha 97.5 the fanatic just now mentioned the signing of gohstisbhere and MacDonald lol. And the brilliant analysis was I like his nickname and that guy got paid lol

    • laxman1944 - Apr 15, 2014 at 3:53 PM

      Well Mr. Atwatersupergmflyerhater what would you have done to improve your hockey club???

      You certainly have a lot to say so lets hear it.

  9. JoeAvg - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Looks like Homer’s MO hasn’t changed any.

  10. flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    wtf, this might take the cake as the Flyers worst contract

    heres the thing with Mcdonald, hes solid defensively and solid offensively, but he is quite possibly the worst neutral zone dman in the entire league

    he literally sits all the way back and lets the other team carry the puck in with ease every time, that why his advanced stats are BRUTAL when it comes possession, shots, carry in rate, break up rate, target rate etc. all of which he is dead last on the Flyers and one of the worst in the league

    it seemed obvious the Flyers management loved him and were gonna resign him, I didnt realize it was going to be this bad …

    • hockey412 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:18 AM

      I did think he was giving WAY too much ground when Megna pushed him, not like he’s going to get called for interference when he’s standing in the damn paint – but I actually hadn’t seen him do that before (haven’t watch too close though). I may be in the minority that thinks this might not be that bad, especially after next year – that cap will continue to go up.

      • flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM

        its the entrance to the zone that is his problem, he sits all the way back and lets everyone carry in easily and maintain possession, thats why he is targeted 76% of the time when entering the zone and has the worst break up rate which leads to his team being outshot and outpossessed nearly every game he plays when he is on the ice

        when you watch him play he looks solid, buts its the little nuances in his game that hurt a lot

      • JoeAvg - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

        Yeah the cap will go up – which is why you sign him for a reasonable amount while you can and give yourself some cap room in the future.

        Do you wanna buy a 2015 car for a 2020 price?

      • hockey412 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

        I’m just not all that sure it’s a 2020 price, is all. It’s a lot of money for him, seems to be more than he’s worth right now, but I don’t think it’ll end up being all that bad a deal when all is said and done.

      • JoeAvg - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:19 PM

        Well nobody knows what a 2020 price is for anything. I was just making a point.

      • hockey412 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:26 PM

        It’s a good point, too – I got that – my point is just that I can see market values rising quickly. I’m watching the money going for Letang, MacDonald, Parise, Suter…I think some of these contracts (if the players perform) will end up looking like bargains when it’s all said and done. I still think the money is too much for MacDonald, I just think Holmgren is thinking past next year to those 2016/2017 free agent values. With Timonen coming off the books, next year may not be much of an issue.

        I could be wrong, and he could be an idiot. Hell I could be an idiot. Time will tell! GO PENS!

    • joey4id - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

      Ok! So now we know you can read articles from broadstreethockey.com. Do you have an opinion of your own?

      Think about this… he came from one of the worst teams in the league. These stats can easily be improved with coaching and adherence to the system. He has better technical abilities than the Flyers leader in the stats referenced in that article. It’s easier to improve a player tactically at this stage of their careers than it is to improve their technical skills. The fact that Coburn leads in all three categories is proof that this part of the game can be improved if a player is coached effectively and is willing to learn. If Coburn can, then I’m sure Mac can as well.

      I think the Flyers were very generous when they awarded a 4.5 mil p/year contract to Coburn.

      57 Andrew MacDonald 82 4 24 28 -22
      105 Braydon Coburn 82 5 12 17 -6

      Here’s my advice to you. Don’t use data and info from other articles on the Web to make you like smart. Next time include the link of your source so you don’t come off as a fraud.

      • flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM

        i sincerely apologize for not specifically listing exact sources from some of the info i posted, what was i thinking doing that in the comments section of a prohockeytalk article

      • JoeAvg - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM

        Joey are you related to Pierre McGuire? Be honest.

      • joey4id - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM

        I don’t see the relevancy of your question. Am I as knowledgeable as about the game as he is? No. Am I as annoying as people here say he is? Probably. 😊 We are here to share opinions, but first and foremost to have fun. Yes?

  11. flyeredup - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Well at least he didn’t trade the Kings a Cup again. Sheesh.

    • coopjr - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:40 AM

      Defense and a goalie with a 1.41GA won the cup for the Kings.

  12. billiam55 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL good one flyers!

  13. flyersfan67 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    Don’t understand the backlash with this deal. Money was about right, two years too long on term maybe. A sign Paul had to make though as this paves the way for schenn, and coburn to be traded in offseason. Also Brayden schenn will be shipped out as will downie to pave the way for an impact defense man. Draft is in Philly, holmgren will make a splash guaranteed!!

    • thethorntonstrokes - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM

      That money is way over his worth

      • coopjr - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM

        He was not signing for less and plenty of other teams would have done the same come FA. Better the devil you know.

    • hockey412 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:43 AM

      Why would they get rid of Brayden Schenn? Who’s replacing him?

      • flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

        they wouldnt trade brayden schenn unless he was the center of a big deal to get a stud dman which is unlikely

      • goodolejr - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:00 PM

        Who’s replacing him? The Flyers entire forward corps is made up of centers!

        Sarcasm aside, if Schenn is gone I’d imagine Coots being bumped up to 2C and Lecavalier/Laughton to take 3/4C. Not to mention Raffl was pretty competent in a center role this year. I wouldn’t be too worried about finding a replacement for Schenn, and that’s not meant to be a knock on him in the slightest. Flyers are just incredibly deep down the middle.

      • ibieiniid - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:28 PM

        Would moving Couts to 2C not eliminate some of the match-making ability Berube has? I would think his 3rd line roll would allow Berube to throw him in whenever he wants rather than overuse him in a top-heavy rotation. I don’t think letting Schenn go would help the line situation, but I do think that he’s a piece that doesn’t necessarily fit into the Flyers style. I like the kid, I think he’ll spread his wings eventually, but he doesn’t play like the Flyers play. I think he’d be of far more value on another team, just as Simmonds was when he came from LA.

      • ibieiniid - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:04 PM

        role*

      • ju8686 - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM

        sean couturier is NOT a viable 2nd line center.

      • goodolejr - Apr 15, 2014 at 3:11 PM

        I don’t think Couturier being on the 2nd line would make a difference in terms of matchup, honestly. The 3rd line was basically getting 2nd line minutes anyway, which was why I suggested bumping him up if Schenn was dealt. I guess either him or Lecavalier would work there. And I wasn’t saying to move Schenn to fix any sort of jam at center or anything. I was just saying he’s the best option to trade imo, strictly because of his value both to a trade and to the team. I just don’t see it as a huge loss if he was the one dealt.

    • flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:49 AM

      the money is too much and they probably wont trade schenn or coburn let alone both, coburn has arguably been our best dman this year while schenn is a top prospect at the age of 22 who just played his 1st full season and quietly put up 20 goals

      it wouldnt make sense to trade either, they were mentioned in trades earlier b/c the team was doing so bad and they felt like they needed to make at least one big move to shake up the core, they clearly dont need to do that, also coburn had a bad season last year and bounced back this year to his real solid shutdown role, easily the best on the team in that regard

      • goodolejr - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM

        I think the fact that they haven’t re-signed Schenn is pretty telling. Not to mention him being a top prospect @ 22 is even more of a reason he could (and should) be considered in a package for a #1 defenseman. The Flyers are stacked on centers and regardless of how good Coburn was this year, he’s still NOT the #1 guy they need. I’m not saying they should trade HIM at all, but if they can package Schenn in a deal for a legit #1 defenseman then they absolutely need to do it.

      • flyerspsu - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM

        schenn has said from beginning he is not going to work on a new contract until the offseason so it wouldnt be a distraction during the season

        as for coburn, he is absolutely not a #1, I wouldnt even say hes a #2, but hes solid and probably our best defensive forward, it wouldnt make sense to trade him

        schenn would be the piece to get a stud dman, the problem is the market for dmen is interesting, dmen are essentially worth a lot more on the market, see JVR – Schenn trade, a 2nd overall pick who already had a 20 goal season and great playoff under his belt and was dealt for an upside young dman who had been scratched at times during that season

        trading for a #1 dman would cost a ton, schenn and couturier + more while going after a good #2 like lets say Shattenkirk would still cost a lot, more than schenn

        imo im not trading schenn b/c i want to give him time to develop into his potential, something the Flyers have struggled w/ in the past but are starting learn from their mistakes of Patrick Sharp and JVR

      • goodolejr - Apr 15, 2014 at 3:22 PM

        What I was getting at is that if they were able to package Schenn for a legit #1, then they should do it. If Luke Schenn was somehow that #1 defenseman, I don’t think anyone would miss JVR. I definitely don’t want them trading him for another 2nd pairing guy or a possible sniper for Giroux. He’s played very well this year and I wouldn’t be upset in the slightest if he’s still on the roster next year.

  14. mshantz22 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    And another Flyers defenseman becomes overpayed.

  15. joey4id - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    It might be a little on the heavy side, but, at least he’s locked in, and clearly demonstrates that the Flyers will build their back end with more speed. Schenn, Coburn, and Grossman are slow. Expect to see more speed added next season.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:04 PM

      Just curious where the money to acquire the speed is going to come from? The Flyers have very little cap room and need to add 6 players to field a full roster next year.

    • ibieiniid - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM

      you keep saying that…. but Coburn is not a slow defender. he has his weaknesses, but his skating isn’t one of them.

      • joey4id - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:18 PM

        I believe Coburn is a good skater north/south. His lateral movements are slow, and that becomes more obvious when he’s moving east/west with the puck, or battling for puck possession in the d zone. He’ll cough up the puck more often than not if pressured behind the goal line. MacDonald is better when moving the puck than Coburn, Grossman or Schenn.

        Flyers have a bunch of character players, and you can’t teach character. That’s good. Mason can be a solid goalie and will continue to improve. Solid down the middle with Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, and Lecavalier (will have to be replaced soon). Need a little depth on the left wing, and one more d man who can move the puck with speed and efficiency.

        You can’t be satisfied with just making the playoffs. You have to build your team to beat the top tier teams to compete for the SC. There is much room for improvement, but, I understand that won’t happen overnight. Just don’t get lulled by this year’s results, and that applies to every team. Go Flyers!

    • 19inarow - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

      “Locked in” is a sword which cuts both ways, as Flyers fans are all too familiar with.

      This is another very bad Holmgren signing, and the buyout talk will begin next season.

  16. coopjr - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    This is a good deal for the Flyers.

    Their problems with defense has never been free agent D-men. It’s always been a lack of organizational development when it comes to young D talent. That’s drafting and farm system and the patience to wait until a D-man hits his prime.

  17. prd797 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    Makes me love the Nik Hjalmarsson deal even more.

    He’s a much better D-man than Andy Mac will ever be, and is signed at 4.1 for 5 years.

    • erbaker67 - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:35 PM

      Hjalmarsson might be the best deal for a legitimate defenseman. The guy is awesome.

  18. nj666 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    wow they should have at least waited until after the playoffs.

  19. toiletclown - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    What a joke of a franchise! I love this!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • bombaywasahawk - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:03 PM

      You need to hear some better jokes bro.

    • laxman1944 - Apr 15, 2014 at 4:04 PM

      Here it comes……………………….wait for it…………………..FLUSH………AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

      Much better

  20. bombaywasahawk - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    I’m pretty sure they’ll be just fine all you over- analytic masterminds of hockey stratagems.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM

      Thank you, they will be. Holmgren ALWAYS spends to the cap and always finds a way to make it fit. Downie won’t be back, Timonen might not either, and they have Pronger’s LTIR exception, plus an expanded cap ceiling… they’ll make it work, like always.

  21. phillyphanatic77 - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    People, I would’ve loved to have signed MacD at 4 mil per year, but that’s just not the going rate for solid UFA defensemen in their primes anymore. The guy has played like a top-4 defender all season (and in recent seasons) and the price tag for them keeps going up. Giving a #3/4 that much isn’t ideal but if they let him walk it opens up another huge hole on the blueline. It’s no coincidence that since his arrival the entire team has become more stable, and Luke Schenn especially has gotten his confidence back. He brings much needed speed and a solid outlet pass. He’s become a key cog. And if they let him walk and Kimmo retires look at the mess they’re in. There aren’t any answers in free agency, Holmgren is finally building a solid prospect base and doesn’t wanna trade for an overpaid/overrated player like Phaneuf. There just aren’t adequate alternatives out there.

    Last offseason all we heard were the snickers about the Mark Streit deal and look how that turned out… 10 goals 44 points, key cog in the system. Defensemen are the most overpriced position right now and it’s only getting worse. When you have a good one, lock him up. And if a young guy like Ghost, Alt, Morin, or Hagg steal a spot out of camp then you flip Grossmann, Schenn, or Gustafsson (and their reasonable salaries) somewhere. The Flyers paid too much but I’d bet my house MacDonald would get atleast a Dennis Wideman-type deal on the open market.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM

      Also, forgot to mention, this deal is eerily similar to the one that the Pens gave Paul Martin and nobody is calling Ray Shero the worst GM in the NHL. Their production is about the same and they play a similar style. Both valuable players, both got big paydays because their respective teams need them. Plus, both Grossmann and LSchenn have reasonable cap hits so if a young kid (Alt, Morin, Hagg, Ghost) wins a spot then the Flyers can always flip one of those guys if they need cap space.

    • laxman1944 - Apr 15, 2014 at 4:11 PM

      Good assesment.

      It’s what the market bares, blueliners are not cheap AND if Holmgren did not pay him gaurenteed somebody would have paid him at the number he wanted.

      He’ll be a good transition d-man for the influx of youth that will be coming in within the next 2 years.

      Stay the course, The Flyer is going to quite the handful in the next season or so.

  22. flyboystransport - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM

    Ok 1) if brayden schenn is resigned itll be for a cap hit of around 2.5 which is lower than his cap hit now. With the cap going up next season macd wouldve gotten at least 5.5 mill a season in free agency which is what top 4 dmen get. Not a fan of the amount of years but he’s been all around steady so im withholding judgment til I see what happens in the off season

  23. bcisleman - Apr 15, 2014 at 3:54 PM

    Garth never overpays. He lets others do that. See Blake, Jason, Parenteau, PA, Streit, Mark.

    • laxman1944 - Apr 15, 2014 at 4:13 PM

      Yep…that is correct.

      And where exactly has that gotten them?

      oh yeah….a tee time.

    • lilgurgi - Apr 15, 2014 at 4:19 PM

      Rick DiPietro. 15 year deal doesn’t count, eh? There are quite a few trades you could list in the overpaying/under-achieving returns as well.

      • laxman1944 - Apr 15, 2014 at 6:18 PM

        Touché

    • Lupy Nazty Philthy - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:42 PM

      DiPietro, Yashin, yep, Isles would never do that.

  24. kastout11 - Apr 16, 2014 at 8:21 AM

    He would have signed for at least $5M a year on the open market. Holmgren paid market value for MacDonald. I have actually liked most of the moves Homer has made. Looking back, Bryzgalov was the one really bad deal he made, and to make it Carter and Richards were casualties to keep them under the cap, but the Flyers made out on those trades also. The only 3 bad trades he made were for Bryzy and trading JVR for Luke Schenn, and I didn’t like the Talbot/Downie trade. I understand the Downie trade, their PK is still good, but their offense was struggling and Downie is the better offensive player, but damn does he take some terrible penalties. Other than those 3, I think all the trades did benefit the Flyers.

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