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‘There’s lots of hockey left in Brooks Orpik,’ says Pens coach

Apr 8, 2014, 12:12 PM EDT

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In September, pending UFA Brooks Orpik said he’d “rather not talk about” any potential new deal with Pittsburgh.

Several months later, he’s sticking to his guns. From the Post-Gazette:

What place, if any, he has in the Penguins’ plans beyond this season is not clear, and both sides apparently are content to keep it that way.

Asked if his agent, Lewis Gross, has had any discussions with general manager Ray Shero about a new deal, Orpik smiled and said, “That’s something Ray and I agreed we wouldn’t talk about in the media. We’ll just let it play out and see what happens.”

One guy that was willing to speak about Orpik’s playing future, though, was Pens assistant coach Todd Reirden.

“There’s lots of hockey left in Brooks Orpik,” Reirden said. “I can’t say enough about the job he’s done, playing against the other team’s top players every night.

“He’s definitely not at the end of the road, in terms of his career.”

Orpik, 33, is at the end of the road contractually. He’s in the last of a six-year, $22.5 million deal, one that carries an average annual cap hit of $3.75 million.

The big-bodied defenseman has been a tremendous foot soldier for the Pens since debuting in 2002-03. He’s appeared in 701 games (the most by a Pittsburgh defenseman) and played 87 postseason contests, including all 24 en route to the team’s Stanley Cup championship in 2009.

The Pens were also extremely reliant on Orpik during the lockout-shortened 2013 campaign.

He averaged 22:17 TOI per game during the regular season — the second-highest total of his career — then upped his minutes per game to 25:08 in the playoffs, the highest of his career. This year he’s once again been a busy man, especially in the wake of injuries to Rob Scuderi, Kris Letang and Paul Martin, averaging over 21 minutes per game while representing the U.S. at the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi.

Despite all that, Orpik’s time as a Penguin might be coming to a close.

Pittsburgh’s dedicated large sums of money to Letang ($7.25 million a season until 2022) and Scuderi, who’ll earn $3.375 annually until 2017. Martin still has one year left at $5 million, and the incoming wave of young blueline prospects — Olli Maatta, Derrick Pouliot, Scott Harrington and Brian Dumoulin — suggests Orpik might not be around past this season.

Because of that, the prospect of an uncertain future is always on Orpik’s mind.

“I’ve thought about it a ton,” he said. “I think that’s just natural. It’s always on your mind. But the only thing you can do about it now is to just try to have the same approach to games.

“I don’t want to say it puts more pressure on you, but you’re definitely aware of what your individual situation is.”

  1. ravenscaps48 - Apr 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM

    I’d love to have him in DC.

  2. hockey412 - Apr 8, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    Much rather keep Orpik than Martin. I realize that isn’t popular – but there are a lot of puck-movers on that team that just need molded. I do not think this recent slide had much to do with Martin being out. None of the young guys mentioned can clear the front of the net. He’s what Shero goes out and gets at the trade deadline, or signs in the off-season (Crankshaft…Scuderi).

    Unless he wants a raise. Eff that.

    • jpelle82 - Apr 8, 2014 at 1:33 PM

      cant replace his reliability and experience overnight thats for sure – he’s played 90% of the reg season games in his career. kinda scary to imagine the pens without him especially after witnessing what can happen with injuries this year. that said i would still think niskanen gets re-signed before orpik if it comes to affordability though as niskanen is younger and can play all situations if needed. i’m indifferent when it comes to martin, he’s nice to have i guess but not at 5 million. his 5 million will probably be the reason orpik doesnt get another 1-2 year deal with the pens

    • pats2001 - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:07 PM

      maybe he needs to play for an original 6 team so he gets more breaks and favorable calls with the refs, the league, etc…that may help him get a few more good years in his career as opposed to if he plays for a non original 6 team

    • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:20 PM

      Could not disagree more with this. The fact of the matter is that Orpik has been an anchor (not the good kind) on defensive partners on the whole this season. He’s had a couple of good games, but even in his “stay at home” style he has been just average at best. You mention that none of those guys can clear out the front of the net (which just flat isn’t the case when you talk about 6’4 220 lb Dumoulin, and the 6’2 215 and growing Harrington), but the fact of the matter is Orpik hasn’t been throwing his weight around the crease either. He ends up screening goalies more often than clearing screens. Add his complete lack of puck skills to that and he’s not worth more than $1.5MM on this team.

  3. thegloriouspast - Apr 8, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    NY Islanders should definitely consider making a bid for him this summer.

  4. montrealbbr - Apr 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    I would say a dirty player like him would be a nice fit in Philly.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 8, 2014 at 4:47 PM

      This is such an absurd, unrealistic stereotype of the Flyers. Really who is a dirty player on this team? Rinaldo? Ok I can understand that. Hartnell? Sometimes but he also backs it up with production. Steve Downie? All Flyers fans hate that useless clown. Rosehill? Guy plays 10 games a season. Beyond that the Flyers have skill players and defensemen like Timonen, Streit, Coburn and MacDonald. Giroux, Voracek, Coots, Read, BSchenn, Simmonds (tough player, not dirty tho)… none of those guys have a history of consistently dirty play.

      In fact I’d say a Montreal player like PK Subban is more of a dirtball than anyone on the Flyers (outside of maybe Rinaldo, but that’s his job). Orpik is a good, consistent defender who would fit in a lot of places. Don’t like him but I can understand why Pens fans do.

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 9:22 PM

        I actually agree with you. There is a difference between dirty and being a pest. Rinaldo has actually turned into a pretty decent players. Downie – I haven’t seen enough of him since his return, but he’s not Torres or Cooke.
        Rosehill is tough as nails, but does it the right way.
        Teams (fans) like Montreal and Vancouver think it’s ok to dive, but if the guy punches you because he already drew the penalty(for nothing); he is a talentless goon.

        it’s laughable.

        Harntell is a royal pain in the ass. I’d take him on my team despite being a ginger.

        At least the guys on Philly will answer the bell if someone does something questionable.

        The Bruins are the same way. They are the older brother that hits you back twice as hard as you hit them. Don’t like being hit? Stop hitting them (proverbial).

        Teams who don’t have tough player don’t get it.

    • sully7184 - Apr 9, 2014 at 2:51 PM

      This comment is idiotic in so many ways, It doesn’t deserve a response.

  5. muckleflugga - Apr 8, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    as a huuuuge penguins supporter and secretary treasurer of the balzac alberta branch of the brooks orpik fan club, i can’t tell you how hard it is to say

    sounds like they’re shopping an old jalopy

  6. c9castine - Apr 8, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    Orpik is one of those guys who I love when I hear opposing fans saying bad things about him. If other teams liked him, he wouldnt be doing his job. So bring on the hate.

    He is still a top defender in this league. Boo me, argue with me, give me the thumbs down. I dont care, its true.

    Dirty? Hardly. Mean mofo who occasionaly crosses the line in a fast game? Sure. but, again, if he didnt, he woulnt be doing his job. so.

    • thegreatmorpheos - Apr 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM

      One of the best, hard clean hitting defenseman in the NHL today. I’d love to be rooting for this guy on my team.

    • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:24 PM

      He’s not a top defender. I’m sorry he just can’t be the stalwart on D-Pairing like he used to be able to. He’s okay when paired with a swifter D-man (like a Martin) who allows him to stay in front of the crease, but he’s not a top tier defender.

      • c9castine - Apr 8, 2014 at 11:14 PM

        im sorry when did paul martin get characterized as swift? good skater yes, fast no really. ill bet the only dman on the line faster than orpik is letang.

        but i dont want to ruin your perceptive reality.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 9, 2014 at 10:38 AM

        Semantics – Paul Martin is a strong skating defense man. It allows him to cover both sides of the net while Orpik plants in front.

        Ruin my perceptive reality? You just said that Brooks Orpik is faster than Matt Niskanen, Olli Maatta, and Simon Despres. That is flat out not the case I’m sorry. I love Orpik, I love the shift. He was an invaluable member of the cup runs, but he’s just not the same player anymore.

    • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM

      I’d agree he is not dirty, but he sure is sackless.

      decent player, but I can’t have respect for a guy that plays the way he does. If you are going to try to hurt people when you hit them, fight them, or someone else. Dude weighs 220lbs and will run into someone (when they are not looking) at 20=Mph, but when its face to face and the playing field is level he won’t do anything.

      His supporters will say “he doesn’t need to fight if he doesn’t want to” complete BS. 100%.

      Sid doesn’t need to fight, Geno doesn’t need to fight, Kunitz doesn’t need to fight. Why? because they are not running around trying to end guys career because they are vulnerable. Players like Orpik, Phaneuf, Subban are the reason why fights happen. They are D men who can line up forwards – all of them big strong guys who can hit, I won’t deny that, but when there is no recourse it becomes dangerous. These are the guys that won’t go back into the corner with a Lucic, Kreider or Wilson.

      I get that you shouldn’t have to fight, but if you don’t want to; don’t try to knock a guy out. You can be physical and hit without hitting the way those three do. You hardly ever (if at all) see those guys go in for hits on guys of equal size. It’s always the 185lb guy who isn’t overly physical.

      Really its a matter of dignity. It’s very easy to be tough when you can hide behind the stripes. Sack up Orpik, sack up.

      • killerpgh - Apr 8, 2014 at 7:42 PM

        Orpik doesn’t seem scared along the boards to me. 4 big hits along the boards on 15 seconds during the Stanley Cup Finals.

        I don’t think Orpik would be scared to go into the corner Kreider. But I know Kreider will think about coming down the middle of the ice with his head down while Orpik is on the ice……again.

      • c9castine - Apr 8, 2014 at 11:12 PM

        lol what a joke of a post this is.
        i cant even take this seriously. its hilarious that yoir posting on PHT telling brooks orpik to “sack up”

        it doesnt matter how big a guy is your hit him and you better be trying to make it hurt. i played defense in junior tier 2 at 5’7 130 when i was younger. i certainly didnt back down when a winger was coming down my side of the ice and i sure as hell did not expect that guy to back down on me when i was retrieving the puck despite the fact that he may have been 6 foot 180.

        youll be hard pressed to find a small guy who will say “yeah, im just a little guy dont hit me!”

        fighting is stupid as hell. hitting is a part of the game if you cant deal with it and you wanna cry like a baby go for it but its not going to get you much respect in that league.

        however, believe it or not, and you can even ask shawn thornton, brooks orpik has a heap of respect in the NHL.

  7. miketoasty - Apr 8, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    As much as I love this guy and the way he plays (Have his jersey), I see him being sort of forced out. Too many D ready to go in the system, and a lot of money being paid to the current crop of D.

    Could very well see him making a push for a California team (Where he was born) or maybe Boston (He is a graduate from BC (Boston College)). Personally, being from the East, I don’t see any room on any of the California teams or Boston for that matter.

    I think he could possibly be a good fit in Buffalo as a mentor type. Always hear good things about his leadership and down to earth comments in the locker room. Wherever he goes though he will bring leadership and be probably a top 4 player on defense, but of course if he were happy to resign with Pittsburgh I would be more than happy.

    • slaugin - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM

      Boston doesn’t have the Money or space for him

      • miketoasty - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:47 PM

        Again, not saying at all that Boston would want him, saying that he would like to play in Boston. Most players seem to like to play in their hometown or where they went to college. Same thing with the Cali teams, I don’t think they have room for him but I’m sure he would like to play close to family.

    • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:05 PM

      I don’t think Boston would want him. Not their type of player; doesn’t understand the unwritten rules. They want guys that are tough and can back it up. Not guys that act tough and then hide.

      also Why would Boston want him? He would be the 5th or 6th dman on the Bruins.
      Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuk, Hamilton, Miller, Krug.

      I mean Miller is pretty much the same thing but a decade younger and testicles.

      • toiletclown - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:21 PM

        Since you just named 1 good player and 6 hacks.

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:40 PM

        says the guy who’s team has not been to 2/3 last Stanley Cups and has a pretty darn good chance of getting there again.

        who is good and who are the hacks, just curious?

        You are an idiot if you don’t respect Seidenberg
        Chara is Chara. Yes, he is getting old,but he will still be better than at least half the teams best dman for the next 2-3 years.
        Hamilton is 20years old. TWENTY. In 102 nhl games he has 41 points and is a +27. Not too shabby considering 40% of his games played he was a teenager. Not too many defensemen can play in the NHL as a teenager.
        Boychuk- if you think he is a still; you need to re-evaluate. Big time.
        Miller – Beast. Absolute beast. +19 in 44games and hits like a tank. Think Douglas murray but with wheels. real good skater.
        Krug- a little weak defensively, but getting better. Offensively he is amazing. I wouldn’t want him out there against Sid, but running the PP, Bruins went from worst PP to 3rd best and they lost Seguin! why? Krug and Hamilton on the PP and Chara up front.

        You really need a better perspective on hockey. to call any of those guys hacks shows you know nothing.

      • c9castine - Apr 8, 2014 at 11:08 PM

        i completely skipped your post up top after i read this.

        your up their talking about sack, and then you say boston wouldnt want him because he doesnt understand the unwritten rules.

        what unwritten rules? like dont slew foot somebody from behind and sucked punch them while they are on the ice??

        unbelievable.

    • chanceoffleury - Apr 8, 2014 at 7:43 PM

      Despite being born in California, he actually grew up and spent most of his youth living right outside Buffalo, New York. So Buffalo is a fairly probable option and the one I’d bet on if I had to. Lots of cap space to give him a big contract and it’s close to home. He doesn’t have any kids and he just recently got married a year or two ago. I’d assume if they do, in fact, want kids he and his wife are going to start a family sooner rather than later, and being near family is always a big draw when that time of your life rolls around. If the option is there I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually picked it over Pittsburgh. I don’t know how attached Orpik is to the guys in the locker room, but number’s wise it’s just doesn’t make sense for Pittsburgh to match what he probably thinks he’s worth. Malkin and Letang’s new deals kick in next year, Sutter and Jokinen need resigned, Stempniak, Goc, and Niskanen need strong offers to keep them interested, Megna and Gibbons are gonna want raises. There’s cheaper options in the system to use, and the Pens need Orpik’s salary to fill holes elsewhere.

  8. 101starmymedic - Apr 8, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    DETROIT.

    • suckit619 - Apr 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM

      Sucks

  9. runhigh24 - Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM

    Colorado Avalance need an upgrade on defense and should have some cap space available. That wouldn’t be a bad fit for either party.

  10. sjsharks66 - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    hockey412 the real problem is Scuderi. He is on the ice every time they score. He has more goals in Pits net then he does in general. They need to let him go and keep Orpik. Martin, Orpik, Letang, Bortz, Despres and Niskanin are all great d men. Despres needs a bit of molding from player like Letang and Orpik though.

  11. toiletclown - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Show this Penguins legend some respect. He will retire here like he should.

    • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM

      LOL

      Legend!?!

      Mario, Jagr, Sid, Malkin, Murphy, Coffey, and…. Orpik?

      No.

      no, this is not a complete list.

      Legend, Laughable.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 9, 2014 at 10:39 AM

        DO NOT BESMIRCH THE NAME OF RICO FATA BY NOT INCLUDING HIM WITH THOSE PENS GREATS. DON’T DO IT.

  12. sixchr - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    As long as he’s not in Boston I could care less where this coward is. Sure his hits are clean, but he prays on the skilled European-type players who won’t fight back and he won’t fight back when the other team comes calling. Definition of a coward. Perfect fit for the Penguins.

    • pats2001 - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM

      absolutely nailed it sixchr. thanks for your correct opinion

      • jpelle82 - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:02 PM

        you guys should high five each other when you meet tonight at the bar tonight…

      • toiletclown - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:20 PM

        Marchand is a turd that falls out of Orpiks anus after a nice steak and corn on the cob dinner. Can’t hold his jock

    • jpelle82 - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:00 PM

      ok…now go crawl back under the rock you slept under before you were awoken on december 7th. i dont know his religious convictions but i’m pretty sure orpik doesnt worship or “pray” to skilled european forwards either. what is a european-type anyway? you either are or you arent from europe.

      • pats2001 - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM

        don’t listen to them sixchr. most of us are just interested in hearing facts…such as orpik is a coward, the penguins organization from the top down are cowards and most notably their fans are soft. these are not up for debate. they are the facts of the case and they are undisputed. thank you for your honesty. it’s been lacking around these parts for a long time

      • toiletclown - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM

        This pats guy has been huffing tom bradys jock strap too long. Boston is the epitome of classless scumbags. I dont know whos worse, Flyers fans or Bruins fans. Both disgusting cities that should no longer have professional teams. Come to a real city like Pittsburgh where you can actually watch a winning team

      • dropthepuckeh - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:41 PM

        Toilet – have you see how much winning there has been in Boston in the last 15 years? The parades are getting boring. At least Philly is a real city. Does anyone outside of Pittsburgh have anything good to say about Pittsburgh?If you ever traveled (pretty sure you don’t/ aren’t allowed to) people around the world recognize Boston and Philadelphia. Not so with Pitt. Where is that would prob be the response…

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:50 PM

        @toilet – except when he was sweeping him out of the playoffs last year…

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 4:08 PM

        You cannot be this dumb, but I’ll play

        He means he hits guys who aren’t overly physical. and tend to have less muscle mass. Not all the time. Guys like Ovechkin hit, and the Czechs tend to be physical (Gudas, Palat) but for the most part the North American game (Canada and US) tends to be less focused on speed and skill and there is more of an emphasis on physicality.

        ie; you tend to see the bigger physical players come out of NA. Not all the time. Chara, Gudas, etc.. but that’s not who Orpik is hitting. He goes after the Loui Erikssons’ and Jonathan Toews’ of the world.

        You know the guys who don’t really hit and are 6″ tall or more and don’t weigh 200lbs.

        Known to put up 50,60, 70+ points a seasons; usually under 20 Pims a year.

        c’mon man.

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 4:17 PM

        @dropthepuck – isn’t it weird to have to defend Philly.

        I agree 100%. I don’t like them, but I respect them.

        I have NO respect for Pitt. Bunch of whinny entitled babies. who haven’t done anything in 5 years.

    • miketoasty - Apr 8, 2014 at 4:04 PM

      I can’t tell if you are a troll or if you’re actually trying to be serious right now.

      Remember that guy he hurt the other night, Toews, yea he’s Canadian. Cole who he hurt back at the beginning of his career? American. But yep, all European-type players.

      Why would Orpik “Fight back” when the other team comes calling? There’s no reason to fight over a clean hit, that’s absolutely absurd, and the fact that you think he’s a coward for that is laughable. You can’t be serious right now.

      Let’s put this into perspective, Brad Marchand has 5 career fights, is a known cheap shot player and plays particularly dirty. Brooks Orpik has 9 fights and plays much cleaner than Marchand does albeit lays out much harder checks (Which is to be expected from the size difference). So by your standards Marchand must be the biggest coward in the game? I personally don’t believe that, as a Pens fan I can’t really say I respect Marchand but I think he’s a very good hockey player and does his pest role well.

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 4:48 PM

        really? no. You inadvertently proved the anti Orpik people’s point.

        If Marchand ran guys he would fight. He has proven that.
        Being annoying isn’t trying to hurt guys. Any time (which hasn’t happened in 2+years) he does something questionable he is ready to answer. Canucks, Niskanen, and Salo.

        If Marchand were 6″4′ and weighed 220lbs and ran guys like Sid all the time and didn’t fight he would be like Orpik with lips between his legs.

        He Slew footed Niskanen and knew it. He waited and fought. He isn’t an overly hard hitter, so I am not sure what you are talking about. I am not sure anyone has ever wanted to fight him for hitting a smaller guy in a vulnerable position, but yeah.

        Boychuk and Miller are perfect examples. They hit (not ALWAYS guys smaller than them) but if someone questions it; they go. Even if it’s just a wrestling match.

        ESPECIALLY if it is a higher skilled guy. If Boychuk hit Kunitz the way Orpik hit Eriksson or Toews; I Promise you he would have dropped the gloves with the first guy who came looking. He wouldn’t have hid. Even if it their teams Shawn Thornton. He probably would have held on and wrestled but he wouldn’t have turtled like Orpik, Subban and Phaneuf do.

      • miketoasty - Apr 8, 2014 at 5:11 PM

        So you are saying that since Brooks Orpik is a good hitter, he should just throw down and fight every time he has a big check? So, by that account he should be fighting around once a game? Great idea for the (As of right now) number one/two defenseman on the team who is playing around 20 minutes a game. Lets just go ahead and take that down by 1/4 because he was doing what he does best, and not doing something illegal.

        Marchand was not compared for big hits, I even mentioned that it was dumb to do that because of the size difference. He was compared for “Dirty” play. Most of Orpiks hits are clean, hard checks. No reason to fight over those. None. Period. So if we go dirty hit (Orpik) to dirty play (Marchand) they should be around the same, as they are. But since Orpik was called a “Coward” then in the same regard Marchand is just as big of a coward as Orpik.

        Again, stop pretending that every time a big hit is laid out there should be a fight, it’s like you’re stuck in NHL 14 world or something.

        Here’s a perfect quote from Orpik about fighting: “I don’t want to be a vegetable when I’m done playing”. Just look at all the fighters out there and how their lives are going now that they are out of sports. Memory loss, and constant headaches sound like a ton of fun huh?

        Just because players understand how concussions and head trauma affect the brain now a days doesn’t make them “Cowards”.

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM

        He doesn’t want to be a vegetable, but he wants to make other people vegetables?

        I am not saying when you hit you have to fight. when you hit like he does; you should. it’s gutless. pure and simple.

        Look at Scott Stevens he hit and knew he had to fight because of how he played. I get not wanting to be a vegetable, but you can still hit and maintain solid contact without hitting the way he does. He tries to injure people. Why can he determine what he wants to partake in but Toews or Cole or Eriksson can’t?

        Have you ever played hockey, seriously? if you did or do; you know there is always that guy who is slightly bigger than everyone who tries to hit the smaller guys. when the big guys come for him “it’s not my style”

        what is running dudes? it’s gutless. paint it any way you want. I am not trying to make the Kunitzs of the world drop the gloves(he’s physical), but when the way you hit consistently could end a guys career or life – either step up and take accountability or Stop playing that way.

        it’s like an American league hitter head hunting. Real tough. All you gotta do is throw at the thigh and everyone’s cool, but there are always those idiots that know they can hide or won’t have any repercussions.

      • miketoasty - Apr 8, 2014 at 6:48 PM

        Again, all of his hits are perfectly legal (Okay well most). Also, how do you compare getting your face beat in and hitting your ass on the ice? Great comparison.

        He doesn’t hit to injure, don’t be an idiot. How many people has he injured in his career? 5, maybe? In 13 seasons….

        Yes I play, hockey, nowhere near pro of course, and I do know that there is that guy out there but I also know when players keep their head up it’s a non factor as most of the time the bigger guys just throw themselves out of position going for checks they can’t finish.

        The fact that you think big hits are “Gutless” completely nullifies this entire conversation. You should have said that from the start before wasting my time. You are the only person I have ever seen that feels that way. I guess hockey should go the way of Football and make it non contact. Get Orpik, Kunitz, Kronwall, Murray, all these guys out of the league because they’re all gutless.

        The fact that you think fighting is okay but big hits not just shows that there is something wrong with you. One has short term effects (Broken bone, sprain, etc) other has lifelong effects which I’m not going into again.

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 9:55 PM

        Have you ever been hit by someone how weighs 30lbs more than you moving 25mph when you are not looking?

        I would rather be punched.

        I don’t think Toews or Eriksson missed time with a bruised butt.

        Again, not every hit, just when he targets guys who are CLEARLY not his match physically, and would be categorized of as skilled players.

        You can’t really be serious; Why do you think the Pens had Jay Caufield, Troy Loney, Jim Johnson, Dave Hannan, Richard Zemlak, Randy Hillier, and co on the 1988-89 Pens team. To protect Mario. Grezky had the same.

        15 guys had 100+ pims that year and Caufield had 245.

        If guys like Orpik are allowed to run around hitting people the WAY they do, with no recourse; we won’t have any skilled players left.

        He is a good defenseman who very much picks his spots.

        If Seabrook lit up Sid the way Orpik hit Toews, do you think someone would have come after him?

        If you don’t. That is why the Pens won’t win again – they are not a team.

        I understand the blind loyalty to your team, but from an outside point of view it’s gutless. I don’t think someone on Bruins, Blues, Sharks, Hawks, Flyers, Rangers and a bunch of other teams would do that. I don’t think Luke Schenn is going to concuss Matt Duchene and then hide when someone comes looking for him. I don’t think Barrett Jackman is going to concuss Stamkos and hide when someone comes after him.

        If he hits Lucic, Backes, or Bickell like that and doesn’t want to fight; I don’t think anyone has a problem with that.

        When PK hides from Lucic; I get that. I do. But when he won’t go with Andrew Ference, Gregory Campbell or Brad Marchand; I just can’t respect that dude.

  13. pats2001 - Apr 8, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    hahaha…hilarous. i think the biggest difference between a city like boston and pittsburgh is that when our favorite teams lose a big game, we don’t try and make excuses for why they didn’t win.

    here’s a boston fan perspective:
    blackhawks simply outplayed us down the stretch and they deserve to win last year. for years, the yankees beat up on the red sox. why? because they were a better team. the two super bowls the pats lost to the giants? the giants simply wanted it more and executed when it counted.

    here’s a pittsbugh fan perspective:
    even though bill cowher, art rooney and other high level steeler officials said the video taping nonsense had nothing to do with those two AFC championship games they lost AT HOME IN PITTSBURGH, steeler fans continue to use that as an excuse, instead of the patriots just playing better that day. last year after the bruins embarassed the heavily favored penguins, cindy crosby (the face of hockey) couldnt come up with more than “we deserve better.” not sure what that means cind. then months after that series ended, we hear cindy complaining about how chara jabbed him in the face during a playoff game. god forbid.

    • miketoasty - Apr 8, 2014 at 4:23 PM

      First off, don’t come here and pretend that you have a “Fans perspective from Pittsburgh” the only idiots here in Pittsburgh that believe that nonsense are constantly ridiculed, listen to any sports talk show in Pittsburgh and you will understand. There are a small minority that believe that, just as I’m sure there are a small minority of Boston fans that believe the joke that the Penguins were given Crosby in some sort of conspiracy by the NHL. Both are complete garbage and don’t further any arguments positively.

      Now if you want to talk about Boston fans not making excuses? That’s laughable, I was watching the Flyers vs Bruins on the NHL network over the weekend and your announcer couldn’t be any more of a joke. Especially when Krug was called for playing with a broken stick. I believe I heard two or three times the Bruins are playing against the refs and the Flyers, oh but you guys don’t make excuses. I’m sure the same can be said for Pittsburgh announcers and probably many announcers in any sport, so don’t come here spouting out garbage acting like you are better than us when you and “Your fans” do the same crap.

      Oh and that “We deserved better” statement, yea I just looked it up and it looks like your coach agreed with Crosby. The Pens had a lot of missed opportunists and the Bruins got a lot of good bounces. The Pens still lost due to lack of effort and being out played but as Mr. Julien said “It was not a 4-0 series”.

      • pepper2011 - Apr 8, 2014 at 5:12 PM

        Are you seriously trying to use Jack Edwards as any sort of barometer? Don’t.

        He is loved/hated for how insane he is. He is a fan. Definitely Black and gold color glasses but Brickely always puts him in his place when he is off the rails.

        The problem is with the broken stick call: he was saying that that was much more questionable of a penalty (playing with broken stick) than the non call against Montreal a couple games earlier against Vanek. There is a lot of referential stuff with Edwards and everyone knows he can be over the top. He was also saying the Krug might not have known cause he hates composite sticks. That was more a shot at composite sticks than anything if you watch him regularly.

        Boston fans listen to Brickley cause he knows what he is talking about. Bob Beers and Dave Goucher are also the two best Radio guys in the league. Honest, and knowledgeable.

        What was Claude going to say? we totally outclassed and outplayed them? C’mon you are better than that. He says Edmonton is a good, fast young team when they play the Oilers; it;s gamesmanship/respect.

  14. chuchie414 - Apr 8, 2014 at 4:56 PM

    How about we keep Orpik & trade Despres while he is still worth something. I get that he is a Pitt draftee & they are unwilling to drop him so easily but every time he plays in Pitt he takes one selfish penalty after another. He is overrated. Dumolin is way better why doesn’t he get called up?

  15. suckit619 - Apr 8, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    He’s got lots of hockey…. he’s also got many cheap shots and fights to back down from as well….

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