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Video: Zac Rinaldo booted for intent-to-injure match penalty (Update: Ruhwedel concussed)

Apr 6, 2014, 10:05 PM EDT

Philadelphia Flyers forward Zac Rinaldo scored his second goal of the season against the Buffalo Sabres tonight, but he also encountered something he’s a lot more familiar with: penalty trouble.

Rinaldo collected three minor penalties through two periods before things escalated early in the third. With his team up 4-0, Rinaldo launched a head shot against Chad Ruhwedel as the Sabres defenseman was in a shooting motion.

You can see the incident below:

Rinaldo was given a intent-to-injure match penalty, so this hit will be reviewed by the NHL. With just four games left in the Flyers schedule, it is feasible that his potential suspension will last the remainder of the regular season.

Rinaldo has been both fined and suspended before. He’s also delivered some questionable hits in the past that didn’t result in him missing games.

Update: Ruhwedel has a concussion, per the Buffalo News’ Mike Harrington. That’s both terrible news for the 23-year-old rookie defenseman and something the NHL will take into consideration when determining additional discipline might be warranted.


Video: Rinaldo levels Lucic with big open-ice hit, draws penalty in ensuing scrum

110 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. icelovinbrotha215 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM

    Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. I love Rino’s energy but he has to play with control.

    • valoisvipers - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:41 PM

      Well in Rinaldo’s defense, the guy did stumble and placed himself in a bad position.
      Could Rinaldo have stopped or swerved away probably but that is not the nature of the beast or the sport.

      • esracerx46 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:51 PM

        Rinaldo has no defense in this instance. Sure he was shooting the puck, but he didn’t change his head positioning drastically. Rinaldo did everything you’re not supposed to. Hit to head. Check. Head principal point of contact. Check. Leaving feet to check a player. Yep. Take your coat off and stay a while. Won’t be seeing any ice for a bit.

      • drewsylvania - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:06 PM

        It’s a deliberate headshot, genius.

      • misha1dibbs - Apr 7, 2014 at 7:00 AM

        Rinaldo jumped into the player, and he extended his arm and elbow. Rino should get at least 10 games. He is a repeate offender.

    • billsin20xx - Apr 7, 2014 at 11:41 AM

      Wish they wouldn’t have kicked him out so Scott could have given out the justice to him~!
      But nobody will fight him this year, what 4 fights all year?

      • scalfor3 - Apr 8, 2014 at 2:14 AM

        That’s because most teams don’t waste a roster spot on a player as worthless as John Scott

  2. statsdolie - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    Stupid stupid stupid. Had been playing effectively for the flyers lately but stupid hit

  3. buckeye044 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    Since he has been there before, his suspension should be more than 4 games and carry into the playoffs.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:21 PM

      Oh gimme a break… Rinaldo was cleary in the wrong, he deserves a suspension, but 5+ games? No way. In no way am I defending this play, it was idiotic and dangerous, but that’s not the precedent that’s been set by the NHL. If Erskine only gets 3 for his elbow on Simmonds then there’s no way Rinaldo deserves more than that. 2-3 would be sufficient.

      • buckeye044 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:22 PM

        was Erskine a repeat offender?

      • lowenni - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:51 PM

        Please, @phillyphanatic77. Erskine is a veteran who’s gone a long time without suspensions and your choice of an incident from last year involving your Flyers team shows clear bias. Rinaldo has only been in the league a few years yet has already established himself as perhaps the dirtiest player in the league. He needs to be taught a lesson eventually (as do other repeat offenders), or he’s gonna ruin somebody’s career.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:59 PM

        Players like Rinaldo live on the edge constantly and when they continually cross the line they get burned. My guess is that he gets 5 games. The fact that he already had three minor penalties in the game and clearly lunged into Ruhwedal’s head should weigh heavily on Shanahan’s decision. This hit is not dissimilar to Matt Cooke’s infamous hit on Marc Savard that essentially ended his career. Perhaps it was not delivered with as much force, but the intent was the same.

        At some point, the NHL has to send a message to players like Rinaldo. They did it with Matt Cooke a couple of years ago by forcing him to miss several playoff games and it worked. Cooke hasn’t been suspended since. I’m guessing that they at least force him to miss one playoff game.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:06 PM

        Lowenni, my choice to highlight the Erskine play was for several reasons, none which have anything to do with a bias. First, it’s a comparable play. Second, it was the first suspension worthy elbow I could think of off the top of my head. And third, it was a far more violent reaction from Erskine. Rinaldo had committed to the hit long before he made contact with the head, while Erskine went out of his way to prevent a player blowing by him on a breakaway. As I stated below, according to the CBA incidents that have happened 18+ months in the past do not have to be considered by the NHL when reviewing repeat offenders. And I think the league has shown that most elbows, even ones resulting in injury, result in 2-3 games. 5+ is usually reserved for egregiously violent plays, unless it’s someones 3rd or 4th suspension in less than 18 months.

        And Rinaldo is far from the dirtiest player in the league. Think about the percentage of dirty hits he’s thrown against the massive number of legal checks, it’s miniscule. That you would say that shows a clear bias against. I think players like James Neal, John Scott, Brad Marchand, or Kaleta have shown to be dirtier.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:15 PM

        phillyphanatic77 I agree with you. I would say that Rinaldo is about the 5th dirtiest player in the league.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:54 PM

      Rinaldo has one two game suspension back in February of 2012. According to the CBA, the league does not have to factor in incidents over 18 months in the past for repeat offenders. Therefore, Rinaldo’s past history may not have any impact on the decision. Look at this incident by itself… does it really warrant 5+ games, including playoff games (which the league has told us are worth more than regular season games)? No it does not. Dirty play, he injured someone, it was stupid. But not worthy of 5+… James Neal did not receive 5 games until his THIRD incident. So does the NHL throw the book at Rinaldo bc he’s not a star like Neal?

      And does the reaction here have anything to do with the fact that everyone outside of Philly hates Rinaldo? I’d say 100%.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:05 PM

        I can’t stand James Neal but at least he can play hockey. Zac Rinaldo’s entire job consists of these chippy plays. Yes, he may not have been suspended, but he is exactly the type of player that the NHL wants out of the league. He’ll score two goals a year. He will fight a lot. He will attempt to injure many people. He is useless as a hockey player.

      • drewsylvania - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:08 PM

        Murray got 3 for a similar play, when he had no history. Rinaldo has a (short, officially) history, so 5 is consistent.

        But again, the suspensions are way too low for everyone.

      • drewsylvania - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:12 PM

        James Neal should be out, too. Just because he’s skilled doesn’t excuse his habit of being a piece of ****.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:17 PM

        Your assessment of Rinaldo is so unbelievably common from ppl who hate Rinaldo but fail to understand his contributions. He is an energy player, every team has em. Every team needs em. His hits pump up his teammates and often draw retaliation penalties… just look at Lucics reaction on Saturday. I can understand the vitriol there is for him, I’d hate him if he wasn’t a Flyer. But that does not change his value. He has a place in the NHL and he’s proven that. He can kill penalties, has good speed, back checks like a maniac (he saved a goal Saturday), and is pound for pound the best hitter around. Does he cross the line? Yes, but not nearly as much as he did during his rookie campaign, when he garnered his first suspension. Ppl who bring the same word for word arguements against are either fans of rival teams or only see Flyers highlights (or both). He was clearly wrong here but that doesn’t change his value.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:19 PM

        Please don’t mistake any part of my comment as a defense of how James Neal plays the game. I think he is one of the dirtiest players in the league. In a certain sense, he is a much more infuriating player than Rinaldo because he has the talent to justify his place in the league. He doesn’t need do the headshots, slashes and charges that he does because he has the ability to score 40 goals a year.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:22 PM

        phillyphanatic77 Rinaldo averages 8 mins a game. If he was as effective as you say he is, why doesn’t he play more?

      • joey4id - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:27 PM

        Very objective observation. However, the seriousness of the injury will play a factor in the league’s decision. Tomorrow we’re going to read “Report: Rinaldo to have phone hearing for hit on Ruhwedel” Was this hit worse than Murray’s on Kosta? Expect at least 3 games and no more than 5 for a phone hearing.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:41 PM

        Jaguar, look at the Flyers forward depth… Rinaldo has a niche, but it’s not a 15 minute niche. Why would they give a pest more time when you Giroux, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, Schenn, Raffl, Lecavalier, Couturier, and Read in front of him? I’m not saying Rinaldo is a can’t miss talent, in fact he’s nothing more than a 4th liner, however he’s no useless goon. And people who don’t regularly watch Flyers games only see the highlights of Rinaldo that the NHL channel wants to show… and it’s usually negative.

        Speaking of the NHL channel… Kevin Weekes just said “he loves what Rinaldo brings”. People in the league understand his value.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:51 PM

        See, this is where Philly fans delude themselves. I’m not sure he would play on any other team in the league. He fits the Broad Street Bullies mold except that the NHL isn’t made for that type of game anymore.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:30 AM

        There’s no delusion here. In fact I think the delusion flows from the other side, where opposing fans incorrectly assume that Rinaldo has a spot reserved for him bc the 1975 version of Flyers were built around players like him. You don’t think Brian Burke, a man who constantly demands “truculence”, would bring in Zac Rinaldo? And he’s not the only GM who can see the value in building a physical roster. In fact, the two best teams in the league (arguably), the Blues and Bruins, are built to play a physically imposing style. Believe me, I hated Rinaldo during his rookie campaign, bc he was totally out of control (and that’s when he was suspended). But take it from someone who watches every single Flyers game, he’s not the complete loose cannon he was during that season.

        I’ve watched players like Dan Carcillo (along w/many more muckers) come through the Flyers organization (and move on to several other successful franchises), and I can tell you that I’d take Rinaldo over him any day. There’s a place for players like that and it’s not just in the stereotypical Broad St. Bullies organization.

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:40 AM

        Lowenni it’s funny you speak of bias opinions as you back up erskin cause he plays on your team. His elbow was way worst. You hate on the flyers that’s why you don’t like rinaldo. Most people on this site is such followers its hilarious. Most never watch other games and read these articles and jump on whatever a commenter or article says. Anyone that doesn’t realize what a player like rinaldo brings doesn’t know hockey. Almost every team has one. He doesn’t gun for people’s heads, he makes huge clean hits and will fight to spark this team up and can move up in down the lineup if needed or pk. If you people actually watch a game you’d see how much energy he brings to this team. With the amount depth we have in the lineup and in the phantoms the coaches will never give rinaldo’s spot up cause he’s an asset to this team wether you’s like it or not. He brings more to the flyers then Tom Wilson has for your caps this year whose a first round pick. People need to give up the hate for him you’d all love him if he was on your team. He’s nowhere close to the dirtiest player in the league.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:48 AM

        The fact that you’re using Dan Carcillo as a way to justify Rinaldo proves my point that at his best he is a marginal player.

        By the way, Carcillo has at least scored double digit goals twice in his career. Rinaldo has only cracked double digit points once in his three seasons and doesn’t look close to doing it again. Stop pretending that he is some key cog without which the Flyers would be doomed. You could replace him with any one of your AHL players and the impact on the team would be the same if not better.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:04 AM

        He’s a 4th liner! You’re ignoring the points I’ve repeatedly made. I am arguing against the view that all these haters have that Rinaldo is some useless goon that provides nothing of value to the Flyers. And also this ridiculous idea you just presented that Rinaldo would be out of the league if he wasn’t on the Flyers. I used Dan Carcillo as an example bc he’s a similar player who has far less self-control than Rinaldo, yet continues to find jobs in winning organizations.

        Nowhere in any of my comments have I said that Flyers wouldn’t survive without Rinaldo. However I will point out that Flyers have a losing record without him in the lineup. And it’s no coincidence. Just like with any team across the NHL, a big hit or fight at an opportune time can raise the energy level of the entire roster. This is the effect that Zac Rinaldo has on his teammates… he’s an energy source. Not close to invaluable, but certainly not as replaceable as you think. I’d like to know how many full Flyers games you’ve watched over the past 3 seasons? Bc I’m guessing like most of the ppl on this page it’s not more than a handful.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:07 AM

        Also, Rinaldo is 23 years old and rarely gets the benefit of playing above the 4th line. Carcillo, while in Philly, often got to play alongside more talented players. And he did the same in Chicago, where I believe he even got 1st line minutes. Rinaldo’s offensive production is not where his value is.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:18 AM

        I’m not ignoring your points, I just disagree with them completely.

        I’ve watched Rinaldo enough to know that you think he is a lot better than he is. By definition, 4th liners are marginal players which is my entire argument. I never said that he didn’t make an impact. I’m saying that the Flyers could easily replace him with a better player. Teams don’t need players that go around head hunting. He crosses the line too much.

        This mythical “energy” that you speak of is thinly veiled bs. Other teams “energy” players can actually play hockey. Rinaldo can’t. What is his upside?

      • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:33 AM

        Look in his first season Rinaldo was the farthest thing from a fan favorite. In fact, most Flyers fans felt the way most ppl on this board feel tonight towards him. But why has that changed so much over the past two seasons? First, he became far less reckless. And second, we saw the positive impact he has on this team. Last season he drew more minor penalties than he took. This season he’s done a lot of the same. The energy argument is the farthest thing from “bs”. Ask any current or former player and they’d tell you the same. Rinaldo nailing Lucic and goading him into taking a penalty is just one example of the big impact he can have on a game. He did the same to Jarome Iginla last week.

        I have no misconceptions about his ability to make someone miss when he’s carrying the puck, or putting a juke on a goaltender. However, I will say that he’s not devoid of talent. He’s played two straight games with Matt Read and Couturier and hasn’t looked out of place. He scored a key goal tonight, and was on the ice for two others I believe. His upside? It’s not out of the question that he’d put up 5-10 goals, 200+ hits, a few fights, and draw plenty of retaliatory penalties. Much like Matthew Barnaby, though not come close to his 19 goal season.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:41 AM

        Since I am biased (which I freely admit) please read from an unbiased source. Rinaldo is not the player you think he is.

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Apr 7, 2014 at 2:34 AM

        Hahah good point jaguar, rinaldo isn’t the player us flyers fans and the higher ups who know hockey think he is cause some random writer on a website no one reads says he isn’t. Nice try though

      • cofran2004 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

        I’m right there with you. In my opinion, the rangers best line the past few games (energy and momentum-wise) has been the carcillo/moore/dorsett line. They throw big clean hits, get pucks on net, and basically just raise the team’s energy level. Carcillo even put one in last week.

        Also, the rangers haven’t had guys like them the past few seasons that keep the other teams honest, and other teams have taken huge liberties with our skill (and as a matter of fact, still have this year. See the hit on McDonagh. Even though it was clean, if the idiot that threw it had fear of retaliation, maybe it doesn’t happen). So yeah, I see the benefit of having grinders on your team. And when you play on the edge, sometimes you fall over it. Its an unfortunate reality of the game… people are going to get hurt. Does it suck when your team’s players get hurt? Sure does. Is there really any way to completely remove these types of hits from the game? I HIGHLY doubt it.

      • 1gman24 - Apr 7, 2014 at 2:37 PM

        If the NHL is serious about cleaning up the game of unnecessary hits to the heads he deserves min 8-10 games…You don’t need to take a kid out with a shoot to the head to create energy on the bench….You are correct Neil should haver gotten 10 for what he did with the knee to the head, they need to get it right eventually…Lets wait and see

  4. hardkor07mn - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:16 PM

    For all you Sally’s who hate fighting in hockey, take a look at this. This is the kind of thing that should carry a huge fine and suspension.
    When 2 guys decide to fight, they both agree to it. They know what they are getting into. When crap like this happens you could really hurt someone. This kind of irresponsible play needs to stop and the only way to do that is to hit their checkbook.

    • joey4id - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:41 PM

      A concussion from a shoulder is no more serious than a concussion from a punch. So WTF are you trying to say? When players chose to lace the skates they accept the consequences…. Is that what you mean?

      • ironyisadeadscene - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:55 PM

        Did you eat paint chips as a kid? He’s saying two players fighting is agreed upon between the two….. whereas one guy shooting the puck and taking a shoulder to the head, did not

      • joey4id - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:32 PM

        Ooooo. Insults. The game of hockey is played between men who have accepted the risks associated with a contact sport. Sometimes an ill timed hit can cause injury. Accidental collisions can cause injury. A clean check can cause injury. When they lace the skates they agree to accept the consequences. Concussion from fighting == concussion from a check gone bad. Both have serious effects on the brain.

      • charlieconway96 - Apr 7, 2014 at 2:04 AM

        Ahhh Joey, give up. Just give up.

      • joey4id - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:04 AM

        Here’s some advice for you kid. Never give up on what you believe in. Don’t be a quitter.

    • misha1dibbs - Apr 7, 2014 at 7:09 AM

      I don’t mind fighting in hockey at all. This play should be out of Hockey…period. Whether it is Rinaldo, Neal, Kaleta or Chara. Yes, I said, Chara. Look at the cross checks to the head he gets away with.

      • joey4id - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:34 AM

        Anything that results with contact to the head should be out of hockey. No ifs ands or buts….. OUT! Protect the brain at all costs. This team sport determines its winners and losers from the number of goals scored in the opponents net. They win game based on how well a team plays defenses and offense. Fighting is neither.

      • thailer35 - Apr 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM

        “Anything that results with contact to the head should be out of hockey.”

        So, basically, you want shinny?

        Next you’re going to tell me you want the NFL to go to two hand touch. How irritating would that coach’s challenge be?

  5. thesportsjudge - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:26 PM

    elmerbrownelmerbrown – Apr 5, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Lucic got smoked by the best and cleanest hitter in the big leagues !

    Where is this clown Elmer now?

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:16 AM

      I forgot that this illegal check negates the perfectly clean hit rinaldo put on Lucci when he layed him out flat Saturday.

      • hockey412 - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:33 AM

        THAT was an amazing hit. Elmer was clearly delusional in his assessment of Rinaldo as the cleanest hitter in the league, but that really was a great hit.

      • thesportsjudge - Apr 7, 2014 at 9:40 AM

        The hit on Lucic WAS a great hit. I never questioned that. All I did was ask where Elmer was after saying just over 24 hours prior ZR was the “cleanest hitter.”

  6. slaugin - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:39 PM

    I’d agree with 2-3 games being enough unless it lead to a concussion than I’d say 5 is appropriate.

  7. slaugin - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:40 PM

    And that in taking his history into account

    • buckeye044 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:44 PM

      Does it take into account the 3 penalties earlier in the game, one of which was a charge. And when he went head hunting the score was 4-0.

  8. lowenni - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:41 PM

    I don’t care what Philly fans say about Rinaldo, whether they say he’s an effective pest or anything, there’s no denying this guy is a goon in the purest sense and has no place in professional sports. He’s an embarrasement to the league and the epitome of everything the game is trying to stop. He goes into every game LOOKING to hurt somebody, and while injuries happen all the time because of innocent hits that are just to make a play, Rinaldo injures people PURPOSELY. Even John Scott has more discipline and respect for the game than this guy. Disgraceful.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:34 PM

      Sorry but you’re completely wrong if you think John Scott has more respect for the game. John Scott has a place in this game for one reason: he’s 6’8″. Rinaldo is barely 5’10” and has had to earn a place in the league with nonstop effort. I know I’ll get all thumbs down, Idc bc it’s from ppl who despise Rinaldo and refuse to acknowledge the value he brings. Should he be kicked out of the league bc his hits just happen to be more violent? That’s absurd. The guy has the ability to knock someone like Lucic on his back with a clean check. Or how bout when he took out Iginla, another Bruin, and the ref with one solid check? The guy can hit and a large majority (probably 90%, if not more) of his hits are completely clean. To kick someone out of a violent game bc he happens to be the most violent (within the confines of the rules) is wrong. He made an asinine decision tonight and hurt someone. He should be punished. However, it doesn’t change the fact that he’s a solid skater, kills penalties, backchecks, protects his teammates, draws numerous retaliatory penalties, and keeps opposing players heads on a swivel when he’s on the ice. Oh and he didn’t look out of place playing with two talented players (Read and Couts), where he scored a nice goal tonight.

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:01 AM

        That is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard. How the hell do you think Scott has more respect for the game then rinaldo. You obviously don’t watch other games. You are usually one of the more reasonable commenters on this site but you know damn well that Scott has probably the least amount of respect for the players and the game. You either don’t watch as many games as you pretend to or your hate for the flyers is gettin in the way of your logical thinkin. 25 outta 30 teams would have him in their lineup and would be a fan favorite. He’s not dirty like you think. The same can be said about Wilson being dirty at times then and I like Wilson and don’t let my hate for the caps get in the way of seeing that he does bring something to the caps an has potential.

  9. esracerx46 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:46 PM

    Congratulations to Zac Rinaldo. You just took Raffi Torres’ place as biggest punk in the NHL. Bye bye.

    • drewsylvania - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:09 PM

      Meh. That honor still goes to Neal.

      • hockey412 - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:34 AM

        My vote is for Thornton or Lucic, easy. P’s of S.

      • drewsylvania - Apr 7, 2014 at 9:03 AM

        Then you have an odd assessment of what’s dirty and what isn’t.

  10. alicesrightfootesq - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:46 PM

    Game is a joke. So over with this garbage league.

    • esracerx46 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:54 PM

      I had the exact opposite thought the other day. Womens college basketball was on and I thought to myself…isn’t there a hockey game on? Perhaps you should switch to Womens college basketball? I mean it’s not hockey, but no one is keeping you from watching it either. Just like how nobody is making you watch or even post about it

    • ibieiniid - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:08 AM

      what does this post even mean? what did the league do to piss you off so bad?

  11. thailer35 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:49 PM

    If Torres got 25 (or 21) because he “left his feet”, this should easily be thirty. He flew like superman.

    • drewsylvania - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:10 PM

      Torres’ suspension was completely over the top and out of proportion. I’m surprised the league got away with it. But that’s the sort of suspension needed for all deliberate headshots.

      • esracerx46 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:48 PM

        Why are you surprised the league got away with it? Its their league? Sure the nhlpa is involved. But when all is said and done the NHL is going to police the NHL

      • jimw81 - Apr 7, 2014 at 6:44 AM

        we should #askneal

  12. sjsharks66 - Apr 6, 2014 at 10:50 PM

    What an idiot! Left his feet and drove the elbow right into the head. This guy is a joke. “He has been so good for the Flyers.” How many goals does he have on the season? Two? One of them against the Sabres? There is a reason everyone says Rinaldo is a garbage player.

    • sumkat - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:48 PM

      The fact that you think goals are the only barometer of playing well, invalidates any opinion you have, ever

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:57 PM

      Look Pens fan, you have no understanding of hockey if you think goals are the only way to provide value to a team. How has Ovechkins goal scoring propelled his team this season? He’s a 4th liner who plays 8-10 minutes a game. Show me a 4th line in the league made of snipers. People who say “Rinaldo is a garbage player” are people who despise him far too much to acknowledge his value. And anyway, just bc fans say that doesn’t make it true.

      How many times do I have to say this… Rinaldo should absolutely be suspended for his actions here but that in no way indicates he’s useless. Anyone in the know would say otherwise. Every single team in the NHL has a Rinaldo-type, they have a place in the game. Like I said in a comment above, Kevin Weekes, a former NHLer and current analyst, “Loves what he brings”. Those outside of fandom get it.

      • shwatson - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:22 AM

        You don’t need to be a Penguins fan to know what kind of player Renaldo is. Anyone that watches hockey and has a functioning brain knows he’s a piece of crap and it has nothing to do with his offensive numbers or lack their of.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:38 AM

        Well the thing with that comment is that “sjsharks66” is a proven Pens fan.

        As for Rinaldo, I think there are many current/former players, front office personnel, and tv analysts who disagree with all the folks on here who think Rinaldo has no value. I’ve openly admitted I’d hate him too if he wasn’t a Flyer, but that’s only bc I’ve see what he does to opposing teams.

    • sabatimus - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:04 AM

      Goals have nothing to do with this article in any way. Rinaldo is a garbage player, but not for that reason.

  13. drewsylvania - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:09 PM

    If we want hits like this to stop, the suspensions need to be much higher. Do you agree?

    • hockey412 - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:38 AM

      Sure…I’d be all for it. But I think most fans would ALSO be for eliminating the inequity. Sure – go ahead and suspend him for 5+, but also when a star player like Chara, Lucic, etc., make a garbage play, suspend them. I’m so tired of watching Boston get away with murder with no suspensions.

  14. sumkat - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:49 PM

    2-3 games. if he gets more than that, it’s strictly on reputation.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:05 AM

      Finally someone looking at this without the thought “I HATE Rinaldo” echoing through their brain. The guy has one (two game) suspension two years ago! Looking at past precedent set by the NHL, elbows to the head generally go in the 2-4 game range (injury included). Just bc you hate Rinaldo doesn’t mean this play warrants a Raffi Torres or Thornton length suspension.

      • ibieiniid - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:10 AM

        it’s no use man, the Court of Thumbs has decided. it’s funny, I thought thumbs were connected to the brain somehow.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM

        Well it’s not going to be 20 like some guys are saying, but I do believe 4-5 sounds about right. Only point of contact was the head, he left his feet, and the result of the hit was a concussion. The saving grace is that he represented a bit of a moving target since he was shooting, however given the way the head was picked I don’t think it saves him more than a game or 2. Had the hit been delivered a half second later I think it’s 7 games easy.

    • m1k3g - Apr 7, 2014 at 3:02 AM

      Well… that and it was a direct elbow to the head….

    • drewsylvania - Apr 7, 2014 at 9:05 AM

      I’m looking at it from outside Rinaldo-hate–and he still should get more than 3 games.

      • ibieiniid - Apr 7, 2014 at 9:36 AM

        i think phillyphan was debating like a 10-15 game suspension. I’m on board with about 4 or 5 too, personally.

      • drewsylvania - Apr 7, 2014 at 6:02 PM

        No, phillyfan was disputing that it should be 5 games…

  15. sabatimus - Apr 6, 2014 at 11:59 PM

    I’d be happy if the league increased suspensions for crap like this by at least 100%, and/or made the team skate without a full roster during the suspension.

  16. lennaykekua - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:07 AM

    Dumb guinea

    • sabatimus - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:08 AM


  17. shwatson - Apr 7, 2014 at 12:39 AM

    I’d personally like to see the NHL start punishing the teams for their players actions. It may deter some of these senseless hits if the player and the team are held accountable. I think it would also cut down on players like this from even playing in the NHL.I know I’d think twice before signing a player that may be a detriment to my team or cost me financially.

  18. buckeye044 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:03 AM

    If they want to stop plays like this, they have to do it based on the hit, regardless of whether or not the player was injured.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:19 AM

      Here’s something we can agree on. The result of the play should have no bearing on the punishment. You make a stupid hit like this you should be suspended the appropriate amount of games, injury or no. Unfortunately, the NHL is far too inconsistent and somewhat arbitrary when it comes to suspensions. They also show clear favoritism towards stars and sometimes even certain teams.

  19. muckleflugga - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:34 AM

    brain fart … big deal

    in a league that permits the likes of brooks orpik to massacre the best players in the league with nothing more than a ribbon-wrapped basket of bananas hand delivered by the player of department safety by way of sanction

    it’s all good for me … no sireeee you

    knob polishing numpties all

    take that kind of play out of hockey the swivel chair hockey heroes getting themselves all wet and their threatening keyboards stickier would have to get out of a sunday evening and do something like

    play hockey

    where slow motion replays are non-existent and all the wisdom born of years of absorbing every time-worn hockey cliché will get you laughed out of the locker room or

    play women’s basketball golf or soccer where you might learn skill and athleticism has nothing to with gender or need to define manliness with appreciation of blood and guts brawling

    hockey’s cyber world … home of the sunday night hockey expert

    • illashell - Apr 7, 2014 at 2:02 AM

      Much like yourself eh?

      • m1k3g - Apr 7, 2014 at 2:50 AM

        Pretty much exactly what I was thinking too. The only one polishing any knobs here is muckleflugga.

      • ibieiniid - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:13 AM

        …he’s here every day.

      • joey4id - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:43 AM

        ibinijad, great comment. What do you think of the game? The hit? And the Flyers d. I think the Flyers will only go as far as their d will take them, which is into the playoff and will be ousted by the rangers. NYR has a better coach, goalie, and d. NYR forwards will blow by Schenn, Coburn and Grossman so fast that it will make them look like orange cones.

  20. muckleflugga - Apr 7, 2014 at 3:58 AM


    to a point yes but unlike most of those offering commentary on these hits, i play contact hockey regularly and i played tonight … players and watchers are clearly distinguishable during hockey commentary anywhere …

    do you play

    hits like rinaldo’s occur in a chaotic moment when one player anticipates a course of action and the other player makes a move outside the scope of predicted events … slow motion replays afford a position of observation incongruent with timing of events in real-world play, becoming

    food for discussion but implicitly out of context because players play in real time … watchers watch in slow motion … this is not the movies

    like all forwards coming out to check a puck-carrying defence man rinaldo faced the possibility of being deked or otherwise slipped so he simply employed a bull rush hoping to knock ruhwedel on his ass or to simply get a piece … ruhwedel’s natural follow-through carried him down and into rinaldo’s line

    as rinaldo swept through on his miss, ruhwedel’s head was caught by rinaldo’s arm as ruhwedel’s inertia and line of applied force carried him down and into rinaldo’s inertia and line of force

    all of this follows the ‘keep your head up it’s a man’s game son code’ so cherished in these boards by people who’ve never embarrassed a sheet of ice with their lumbering selves

    anyone playing organized contact hockey is trained to deliver a body check up and through the opposing player’s centre off gravity … starting at the solar plexus and up

    when an attacking player whiffs by being partially deked or by having an intended target make an unexpected move, in fractions of a moment, inertia and applied force carries that lifting driving motion up through empty air where the would-be target was expected to be … causing an attacking player to leave his feet

    rinaldo did not become airborne prior to arriving at the projected contact point … not guilty on that count

    rinaldo did not deviate from his line of attack or his squared position with arms at sides and elbows in … not guilty on that count

    rinaldo’s contact with ruhwedel’s head was product of carry-through in ruhwedel’s own shooting motion … not guilty on that count

    i understand we have generations of people in these boards raised on chinese martial arts flicks and science fiction matrix offerings where bodies and knives and bullets fly artfully through space in choreographed slow motion … but this is hockey with big bodies and bony protrusions travelling at speeds exceeding safe limits offered by personal protection equipment

    no one who plays would damn rinaldo and muted reaction on the ice apparently agreed … i’ll be surprised if the league sees cause for supplementary discipline

    and for the clowns equating dissenting opinion with being better suited watching basketball and soccer or baseball … basketball is without a doubt one of the dirtiest sports out there with hip checks and elbows in abundance … ditto soccer where having someone raking your knees or ankles studs-up can cripple players for months

    church league baseball is for animals as all the repressed bible-thumpers let it all hang out but without benefit of a relaxing beer or a few hoots afterward

    i know … i’ve played competitive basketball, soccer and baseball … the church league was cancelled by court order

    finally, the best way to betray one’s ignorance about hockey in the real world is to trash women’s hockey … maybe coeducational hockey is not as prevalent in the united states but it’s the fastest growing sport in canada outside soccer

    i play with chick’s who’ll rock your world if you give them a chance … they play with fire and venom and they can be every bit as dirty as any guy i’ve played with … i’d love to see these swivel chair hockey heroes come out and get schooled, rocked, then laughed at by a chick who gives away eighty pounds

    the world has changed in hockey but dinosaurs still rule the keyboards …

    knob gnoshing numpties

    • shwatson - Apr 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

      So basically anyone that doesn’t play hockey has nothing intelligent to add to this. Thanks for open mindedness.

    • sabatimus - Apr 7, 2014 at 7:08 PM


  21. toiletclown - Apr 7, 2014 at 6:18 AM

    Scum bag move by a scum bag player in a scum bag organization. Ban this waste of flesh from hockey.

    • ibieiniid - Apr 7, 2014 at 8:15 AM

      ya shut your scum bag mouth.

      lol, regardless of which stance the room took (looks to be against all things flyers), the thumbs indicate a stance against you as well. nobody likes your comments. your bring nothing to any conversation…. ever. FOAD.

      • bullwinkle88 - Apr 7, 2014 at 3:32 PM

        Take a look at your own thumbs up/down rating before throwing stones.

      • ibieiniid - Apr 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

        I’d rather not add them up, but on this particular story, it’d be overwhelmingly up. toiletclown has never said one piece of relevant hockey information. go ahead, try to find one.

  22. jrclark1978 - Apr 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM

    The thing about Rina

  23. jimw81 - Apr 7, 2014 at 6:47 AM

    Rinaldo is getting suspend atleast 5 games probably 8 since he’s a flyer. it’s amazing is comment section they think this guy is scum of the world but they never saw him play everynight.

  24. jrclark1978 - Apr 7, 2014 at 6:49 AM

    Like him or hate him, Rinaldo will be back in orange and black. The main thing that differentiates Rinaldo from the other head hunters in the league is that he will answer the bell when he has to face the Sabres again. You won’t ever see that cock queen Orpik ever trading punches.

    Keep hating him everyone, we like him in Philly and that’s all that matters. Don’t like it? You can suck our collective cocks.

    • toiletclown - Apr 7, 2014 at 7:08 AM

      A city full of scum bags liking a scum bag player? Makes perfect sense.

      • jrclark1978 - Apr 7, 2014 at 7:43 AM

        Love it or hate it, you’re first in line. Get ready for a jaw workout cream puff 😮

  25. kastout11 - Apr 7, 2014 at 9:27 AM

    I think the Flyers have 4 games left. I am of the opinion that he will be suspended through the rest of the regular season. I love the energy he plays with, but a team battling for a playoff spot cannot take stupid penalties, especially 5 minute match penalties. He has actually been playing really well lately, creating scoring chances and delivering crushing legal checks, until this one. Sure you can get away with that crap when you are beating Buffalo 4-0, but not in the playoffs. He needs to be smarter. Another give away is that it is a phone interview, so I don’t see it being too long. Usually the phone interviews do not exceed a couple of games. I am sure Rinaldo will meet Mr. Scott next time they play, but I guarantee he will not back down, even though Scott should crush him pretty decisively.

  26. eagles512 - Apr 7, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Even as a flyers fan, I don’t defend Rinaldo anymore. Not about being dirty. Someone calling him the dirtiest player in the league is a joke. I can’t defend him because he still takes stupid penalties. You’re up 4-0. The only way a team gets back into it is a major and he goes and hrs a major. He’s still too undisciplined.

  27. bullwinkle88 - Apr 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    What bothers me is that he calls the hit “part of the game”. Since when is it “part of the game” to concuss someone? Not only that, but to do it deliberately?

    So because of this jerk’s stupidity, a promising 23 year old defenseman’s future is compromised. Suffering a concussion at such a young age does not bode well for his career.

    Now maybe some of you Philly apologists can understand why this guy is scum.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Apr 7, 2014 at 5:31 PM

      He also said he regretted the play and that he shouldn’t have done it directly before that. If you’re gonna denounce him as scum atleast tell the entire story, not just the part that benefits your point.

  28. amt25 - Apr 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Wasn’t a huge fan of the hit. Even more discouraged by Rinaldo’s cavalier comments. My suggestion – Rinaldo should be suspended for the length of the time that Chad Ruhwedel experiences concussion related symptoms.

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