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Video: Weekes debates Gustav Nyquist’s MVP candidacy

Apr 4, 2014, 10:23 AM EDT

After you check out Kevin Weekes’ latest video, part of the Edward Jones Face Time initiative, you can read about how Detroit Red Wings coach Mike Babcock’s advice to Nyquist was to just start shooting. That tends to help you score goals. The Hart Trophy debate likely begins and ends with Pittsburgh’s Sidney Crosby.

  1. jpelle82 - Apr 4, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    nice idea but he’s only played what 50 games? still very impressive if he gets 30 goals in less than 60 games

  2. terrier92 - Apr 4, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Kids got speed and skills

    In fairness to Chara the other night he got caught coming off bench He is slow but if not caught flat footed he defends that goal Hey stuff happens

    • thegreatmorpheos - Apr 4, 2014 at 11:48 AM

      In fairness to Chara, he wouldn’t stand a chance if he’s five feet in front of the net.

      Exhibit A – Game 6 2014 Stanley Cup final, Brian Bickell game tying goal.

      Bickell doesn’t have the speed or skill that the kid Nyquist has.

      • thegreatmorpheos - Apr 4, 2014 at 11:50 AM

        Correction, 2013, Bruins or Hawks won’t make it to the 2014 SCF.

      • hawksin5 - Apr 4, 2014 at 12:27 PM

        in fairness to chara, no not in fairness to chara. he’s the most overrated defenseman in the league. and morphemes, why are you so sure neither will be back?

    • dtownbeatdown - Apr 4, 2014 at 12:56 PM

      Chara had the position on him, he just couldn’t keep up. Chara could of been in the zone already and Nyquist still would of flew by him. Chara is overrated…

  3. redwings1977 - Apr 4, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    As a Wings fan, even I think this is a bit premature. The guy’s going to be something special, but I don’t think he should be in that conversation just yet. Let this season play out and we’ll talk again next year. We need a win over Buffalo tonight more than we need a Hart Trophy.

  4. joey4id - Apr 4, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    I’d hate to be a fan of the team that will meet the Wings in the playoffs should they make it. I for one gave them little chance a couple weeks ago. I’m sure they’ll be the dark horse of many poolers, and not a bad one at that.

  5. bgrillz - Apr 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    He’s a solid player, team MVP yes. League, no. Crosby is hands down MVP. He’s played brilliant all year, while the team around him has fallen to injury. Detroit has had injury issues, but Pittsburgh has lost over 400 man games due to injuries. And we aren’t talking scrubs on the 4th line either.

    • jpelle82 - Apr 4, 2014 at 11:57 AM

      yeah i dont think anyone seriously thinks nyquist wins it. even redwing fans aknowledge this is just complimentary talk about a very promising young player and probably appreciate the recognition he’s getting. anyone who’s followed hockey knows about this kid by now.

    • toiletclown - Apr 4, 2014 at 12:07 PM

      You said it sir. Crosby is dead locked in

    • dangle13x - Apr 4, 2014 at 12:55 PM

      Injury issues? Obviously you are a Pen fan to underplay it in such an asinine manner. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Howard, Weiss, Alfredsson, Erricson, Dekeyser, Helm, Abdelkader…. ALL missed significant time. Plus Jurko, Gustavsson… I mean honestly, check your bias at the door idiot. Not exactly 4tth liners here. When you have 15 players that were in the AHL last year in your starting lineup, then talk.

      • dangle13x - Apr 4, 2014 at 12:58 PM

        Having said that, Sid is no doubt MVP.

      • jpelle82 - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:36 PM

        its kinda a wash in my opinion, shouldnt be a pissing contest. a lot of the man games lost for the penguins belong to vokoun…which in my opinion shouldnt really count since he never had a shot of playing this year with his condition. pens have had 39 different players dress, the wings have had 37. pens worked the waiver wire more than the wings and got a couple off trades but they had their fair share of ahl call-ups as well. its kinda hypocritical to complain about someone else complaining about injuries while you are listing the injuries your team has to one up them. pens lost just as much star power along with the man games as detroit.

    • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:02 PM

      I didn’t see Pittsburgh morph, against their will, into their AHL affiliate. Detroit did. Mans games lost as a stat doesn’t indicate the VALUE of the players lost. You lost a bunch of jobbers, we love some of the best player in the league.

      • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:05 PM

        lost*

      • toiletclown - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:32 PM

        Pens injured players are significantly better than Detroits injured. Malkin, Letang, Martin > Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen

      • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:39 PM

        Lol he thinks Martin and Letang are in the same league as Zetterberg and Datsyuk.

        What’s Franzen have to do with anything troll boy?

      • toiletclown - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM

        Sorry to break the news to you sir but Zetterberg and Datsyuk are well past there prime. It’s ok bud, they were once good but not as dominating as Sid. Have a nice weekend

      • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM

        You said Malkin, Letang and Martin. You sound easily confused.

      • jpelle82 - Apr 4, 2014 at 4:17 PM

        jobbers? norris candidate, previous calder-hart-lindsay-ross-conn smythe winner, 40 goal scoring winger, 30 goal scoring winger/penalty killer, top 4 defensemen- all at the same time, goalie that carried the team to the conf finals, top prospect/rookie winger. like i said before its not a pissing contest but its hardly as lopsided as you seem to imagine it is. hate to break it to you, but the wings lost a bunch of old guys that aside from datsyuk really havent done much lately. you should be thankful thats its forced the changing of the guard. not so scary now when 13 and 40 retire in the next couple years.

      • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 5:03 PM

        I skimmed this, sorry, but you’re not smart enough to read. I saw “Datsyuk hasn’t done much”, smiked, laughed a little, and stopped.

  6. 2dollarpbrs - Apr 4, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Nyquist should have won the Hobey Baker when he lead the NCAA in points when he was at UMaine

    I too don’t think Nyquist will win the Hart trophy because of the # of games he has played. Too bad Detriot kept him down at Grand Rapids at the beginning of the year because of $$$$

  7. shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    This is obviously an idea that goes against the grain so naturally most fans will be a little hesitant to support it. It’s silly but people are concerned with what they look like even online.

    But really if you look at the concept of the trophy-the most valuable player, it cannot get any more valuable than Nyquist. Without him, they are not in the hunt. Without Crosby, Pittsburgh still has home ice. Without Perry the Ducks would still be comfy. I’d even say without Girioux the Flyers still have a chance. Nyquist is the closest player to deciding “in or not in”. Period.

    But no one votes like that on any award. Think about it.

    What the Hart should be: Most valuable player to his team. That’s what it says it should be.

    What The Hart actually is: Just the highest point total that wins it, with small things like goals, team record or reputation acting as tie breakers.

    Same goes for the Norris post-Lidstrom-it’s fort he defenseman who scores a ton and at least somewhat can play D in his own end. After Karlsson won it, it became a joke. Same with the Jack Adams-it’s for the coach who the coach who did most with the least, not the best coach. Great coaches with great players are punished by never winning anymore.

    Selke has become a popularity contest because no voter really watches every defensive forward.

    The Vezina might be the easiest to vote on, but the hardest to judge because of the team in front of the player.

    And at the end of the day, none of the voters watch every game. That’s what no one will ever want to acknowledge, because it’d be tantamount to admitting the whole thing is a popularity contest and the blind leading the blind. They’re awards. Opinions. Really, they mean very little. It means a bunch of people thought you were better than other players but it doesn’t make you better.

    I mean, puck daddy has an official vote. They’ll let anyone with a certain number of page hits decide these things now.

    • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM

      lol@jpelle looking for all my replies and hitting thumbs down. what a loser.

  8. dtownbeatdown - Apr 4, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    If Holland didn’t choose Cleary over Nyquist in the beginning of the season he would have a stronger argument. Unless he scores 10 in the next 6 then maybe lol.

    • dangle13x - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM

      I refuse to put anything past Gus at this point. 10 in 6? Sure, why not.

    • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM

      See what I mean about point total? It’s mass perception now that point total = MVP. So illogical.

      • dangle13x - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM

        Well, considering 9 of the last 14 MVP’s also won the Hart, I can see why that is perceived.

      • dangle13x - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:15 PM

        Not saying I disagree with your opinion, but I’m also realistic. It’s like the morons at USA Today that said Brandon Moss deserved the MVP over Miguel Cabrera last year. Sorry, it doesn’t work like that. It’s not the “most valuable player on a team that barely makes the playoffs so therefore he is intrinsically more valuable” award.

      • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:26 PM

        No, it’s most valuable to his team. Who is more valuable to his team? Pittsburgh still has a 1st place team without Crosby. But Crosby will win it due to the predictable combination of points, reputation, team record and voter bias.

      • toiletclown - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:39 PM

        Man what sport are you watching? Sid is going to win because he dominates game in and game out. Take your homer glasses off for once

      • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM

        I’m more questioning the concept of the Hart than saying Crosby doesn’t dominate. Stay focused kid.

      • toiletclown - Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM

        If you don’t think Sid deserves the Hart then nobody does. It’s his, They should rename it after him

      • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 2:20 PM

        Careful, your homer is showing.

      • jpelle82 - Apr 4, 2014 at 3:42 PM

        sid’s probably going to play every game this season. thats one of the biggest reasons he wins it. he hasnt played 82 ever. last time he played 81 he won the hart. they go hand in hand for him and probably will until he loses a step or retires. he’s just that good. he was by far the most valuable player to his team this year…just about everyone else missed time for injuries while he put up 100 pts with a revolving door on his right side. 100 points should just be a given for him when he’s healthy, this is the 5th time he’s done it so its not that impressive to me. its not all just because he has the most points, he kept his team from coming off the rails and managed to excell despite all the odds stacked against him. as the guy they should be able to count on when they need him most, he produced. thats why he wins it. the art ross to go with it is just the icing on the cake.

  9. ltcompton - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    This is a silly debate. I hate Crosby and Pittsburgh but he’s most deserving and its not close. In fact, I wouldn’t put Nyquist (a fine young player) in the top 5.

    Take away Syd’s 100 points and replace them with your average 50 point scoring 1st line center and you have a much different outcome in Pittsburgh. He’s the best player in the world and was in fact, the most valuable to his team this year.Pittsburgh would certainly still be a play-off team but they would be limping in as a lower seed and have a tough 1st round math-up.

    No Contest, please move along

    • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:27 PM

      Oh BS. Take away Crosby and you still have a loaded team that’s in 1st.

      • jpelle82 - Apr 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM

        take away sid this year and you would have no one. malkin will end up missing 30 when its all said and done, neal 20, letang 50, martin 40, dupuis 50, bennett 60. you take away just crosby’s 36 goals and the penguins goal differential drops to just +10…thats like columbus right now…means they probably dont win the division. factor in game winning goals, so winners, and primary assists to game winners and it gets even worse for the team. its just way too much offense to overcome if he’s not there, especially since the supporting cast has been hurt all year too.

      • shoobiedoobin - Apr 4, 2014 at 5:02 PM

        As soon as I read “take away sid and you have no one” I stopped. I’d rather watch paint dry than read anything else you have to say.

  10. 101starmymedic - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    I love Detroit and Goose but it’s nuts to think league MVP simply because he hasn’t played the entire year. Had he, it’s possible, he would have generated a lot more buzz and shown a lot of what he can do, he might even be giving Crosby a run for his money, who knows.

    • toiletclown - Apr 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

      Now your just talking silly. Relax there kemosabe

  11. borderline1988 - Apr 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    How do you argue for Nyquist who has 46 points in 51 games, as opposed to Crosby who has 102 points in 77 games? Are you for real?

    Extrapolated to 82 games, Crosby gets 35 more points than Nyquist.

    I know that Nyquist has had some timely goals in the last stretch, but that’s not an answer in itself.

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