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County officials balk at Panthers’ requests

Mar 18, 2014, 12:16 PM EDT

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The Florida Panthers face a “tough road” in getting all they’ve asked for in a revamped deal with Broward County, according to the Sun Sentinel.

We’ll let you click on the story for all the details, but it basically boils down to this:

A majority of Broward County commissioners support negotiating a new deal with the Panthers, who say they are hemorrhaging money and need a hotel-tax subsidy package worth $80 million or more over the coming 14 years. But the eventual deal will likely hinge on whether the Panthers agree to give more profits generated from the arena back to the county, commissioners said in interviews with the Sun Sentinel.

But how much, if any, the Panthers are willing to negotiate isn’t clear. Until a new deal is reached, or not, expect speculation about the future of the franchise in South Florida.

And by the way, we’re not the ones throwing the relocation possibility out there. This is from the club’s PowerPoint presentation to the county:



  1. ibieiniid - Mar 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    wait guys. i thought all the “freeloaders” that you’re mad about paying all these taxes for were poor, inner-city black people. guess not, huh?

    on another note, who knew that the Florida Panthers had anything to do with Billy Joel?

    • drewsylvania - Mar 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM

      As always, the biggest thieves are corporations.

      • joey4id - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM

        “Corporations are people, my friend.” -Mitt Romney

        Welcome to the great U.S. of A where corporate personhood is a legal concept. 😉

    • grocerystick101 - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:12 PM

      Who is even posing this argument? Is any tax-paying citizen actually surprised at having to bail out sports franchises? Especially in South Florida.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:22 PM

        i can’t speak for what other people are surprised about. but I just find it ridiculous that all the attack these days gets redirected straight to the “welfare queen” instead of these millionaires. it’s veiled, but there’s racism AND classism behind a lot of the “freeloader” talk we hear these days. I’m not saying this is more than a symptom of a bad hockey market, or that the owners are to blame, but it should be an eye opener to the “taxpaying citizen” hockey fan that doesn’t really follow politics much.

        i hate when people go unnecessarily political on PHT, and I realize I just did it. apologies.

      • drewsylvania - Mar 18, 2014 at 2:15 PM

        @ibieniid Meh. It’s an article about an NHL franchise crying poor. Politicization warranted.

      • grocerystick101 - Mar 18, 2014 at 2:25 PM

        Haha yeah personal beliefs aside, I was really just calling you out for the unprovoked political comment. But at least you recognized it.

      • storminator16 - Mar 18, 2014 at 6:10 PM

        @ibieiniid Not really a political statement, just social commentary. It was warranted.

    • bigtganks - Mar 19, 2014 at 12:09 AM

      I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see them relocated to Seattle. Can you imagine luongo gets his trade back to Florida only to have his franchise move back to the north west.

      (By the way… Do Canadians call Vancouver the south west?)

  2. hosewater2 - Mar 18, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    If they would just bring back jai alai that would fix the whole thing.

  3. jwalsh217 - Mar 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    how long do you think it takes to learn french?

    • nj666 - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:32 PM

      they dont speak french in Seattle though

      • hosewater2 - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM

        Again, what arena would they play in? Tacoma Dome, Ye Old Key, or the pie-in-sky new arena project seen in those pretty pictures?

        Hamilton or QC is where an orphaned franchise belongs, but really this is all just posturing to get a better local deal in FLA.

      • jcmeyer10 - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM

        and certainly not in Portland.

      • nothanksimdriving123 - Mar 18, 2014 at 3:36 PM

        Heck with Seattle. Dawson City here we come!! Hey, the Nuggets played in as many Stanley Cup Finals as have the Panthers. Won as many games, too.

      • storminator16 - Mar 18, 2014 at 6:12 PM

        @nothanksimdriving123 You do realize the Panthers have been in a Stanley Cup Final series, right?

  4. drewsylvania - Mar 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    Never believe anything an interested party tells you.

  5. mogogo1 - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    The only thing missing from this deal is a mask and a gun. The county would be insane to go along with it. The $80 million from the hotel tax is just for starters. The Panthers also want to keep basically every penny the arena generates free and clear while making the county pick up arena expenses that would cost in the millions annually. And as an extra thank you, the county would then hand the Panthers 22 acres of land next to the arena so they could build a hotel/casino and then keep all that money, too.

    • jcmeyer10 - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:39 PM

      If you give a mouse a cookie, or perhaps a moose a muffin to better relate to our Canadian readers.

      • elvispocomo - Mar 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

        No, we have mice and cookies here too. A better analogy might be for Florida residents, give an alligator an arm…

  6. tfilarski - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    Move to Seattle. Hockey really should not be played below the mason-dixon line anyhow.

  7. AppealToReason - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    Who put that powerpoint together? I’ve seen better slides done by highschoolers.

  8. Wineshard - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Lmao -Luongo may be on his way back to the Pacific Northwest.

    • ibieiniid - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:33 PM

      that would be pretty classic.

      • jcmeyer10 - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:42 PM

        What a way to jump start a rivalry.

  9. hockeyornothing - Mar 18, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    I agree. I’ve seen better slide presentations by middle schoolers Yikes!

  10. hockeyflow33 - Mar 18, 2014 at 2:23 PM

    If you can’t figure out how to run a successful franchise with all the subsidies the league already gives you with revenue sharing, tv monies, etc the league should force the sale.

  11. imgoingtowichita - Mar 18, 2014 at 3:11 PM

    I recognize that slide from inside the Phoenix courtroom. Pretty standard negotiating on behalf of the facilities major tenant.

  12. schetm - Mar 18, 2014 at 5:06 PM

    The Panthers would be better off to move to Seattle. Or Portland. Or Hartford. Or Quebec City. Or Milwaukee.

    Actually, “Milwaukee Panthers” has a nice ring to it.

  13. dolphanindallas - Mar 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Sorry Thunderbird and Nordique Homers, It ain’t happening. Vinney Viola and Doug Cifu are jockeying for tax payer money by being the new guys in town. Broward County and Miami Dade are not falling for the Bed tax sceme like The Marlins suckered Miami-Dade taxpayers into, but hey it’s worth a shot.

    I always wondered why they put the Rink all the way out in the Swamp off the Sawgrass and I-595? Always thought plowing out real estate in Boca Raton was a safer bet. I sure hated driving 45 mintues south and west to see a game. It always seemed there was more attention paid to Hockey in Palm Beach County. The gold medal game in 2010 i’m pretty sure proved that televison ratings wise under the top 25 Metered Markets

    John Vanbiesbruck

    • storminator16 - Mar 18, 2014 at 6:17 PM

      Ignore the racist known as John Vanbiesbruck tagged at the end, I agree this is all grandstanding. Don’t see the Panthers going anywhere, I just seeing a bunch of rich guys thinking local government officials are as stupid as they appear to be. Nothing to see here….eventually.

  14. dolphanindallas - Mar 18, 2014 at 7:49 PM


    Paul Laus

  15. pantherpro - Mar 18, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    Seattle vs Sharks. Just like us Niner fans hating SeaPeds. It’s on dreary pac northwest!

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