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Berube: Flyers aren’t ‘going to get any breaks’ from officials

Mar 7, 2014, 11:47 AM EST

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Craig Berube is none too happy with the officiating his team has received recently.

The Philadelphia bench boss was irate following Wednesday’s 6-4 win over Washington, saying he “didn’t like the calls” that went against the Flyers. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Berube’s issues stemmed from a pair of third-period penalties against Steve Downie and Mark Streit, as well as the decision to give Vincent Lecavalier and John Erskine matching penalties for their first-period fight.

“What’s Vinny supposed to do? The guy [Erskine] is grabbing people and stuff. To me, he had instigated that, and to come out shorthanded, I’m not sure it’s the right call,” Berube said. “I think Erskine deserved more than he got.”

You can watch the melee here:

Here’s more from Berube, per the Inquirer:

“You guys shouldn’t ask me another question about penalties, and I probably shouldn’t say another thing to the team about it because it doesn’t work. Does it?” Berube said.

Berube was asked whether he thought the Flyers’ Broad Street Bullies legacy influenced the officiating.

“Call up the league and ask them,” he said.

He paused.

“I’ll put it to you this way: We’re not going to get any breaks. You just deal with it.”

The Flyers currently lead the NHL in total penalty minutes (980) and penalty minutes per game (15.6). Individually, Philly has three players in the top 25 for PIM: Zac Rinaldo (eighth, 117), Downie (12th, 102) and Wayne Simmonds (21st, 91).

Berube has told the Flyers to cut out their undisciplined play already this season…

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  1. ibieiniid - Mar 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    downie’s gotta go. while I’ve seen good penalties from Rinaldo and Simmonds, it seems every downie penalty is horrible and horribly timed.

    • shortsxit34 - Mar 7, 2014 at 5:36 PM

      Downie took 3 penalties (one a double minor) Sunday, and I think all 3 were in the attacking zone.

  2. hockey412 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    At 8-2 over the last 10, they’re as hot as any team in the East playing the way they have been…if they really could “cut out their undisciplined play already this season” they’d be pretty damn good.

    Having said that, Holmgren knows what he was getting in Downie…if cutting out undisciplined play is what they want, why bring in undisciplined players?

    • Anthony Maiorana - Mar 7, 2014 at 5:18 PM

      Downie didn’t have this much of a reputation with penalties when we got him. In his last 2 seasons with the Avs he had 16 and 6 total penalty minutes. It’s only this season that his penalty numbers started going up.

      Downie was supposed to come in to help production with either Giroux or Lecavalier and be a playmaker for them like he was in Tampa and Colorado. He wasn’t expected to be undisciplined.

      If you wanna talk about undisciplined players, Rosehill (80), Hartnell (70) and Rinaldo (117) all have more penalty minutes than Downie. But I do think a lot of that comes from the team reputation and personal reputations as trouble makers, especially in Rinaldo’s case, they get watched closer and bad calls are eagerly made against them.

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 7, 2014 at 6:38 PM

        You can’t just look at total minutes. You have to take the fighting majors out. Look at minor penalties to see. If you fight and get a game misconduct, that’s 15 minutes, so obviously a fighter has more minutes.

  3. freneticgarfieldfan - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Berube: cry baby

    • kastout11 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:10 PM

      He is 100% right.

      • laxman1944 - Mar 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM

        Totally correct……Erskine had one thing and one thing only on his “To Do” list that game and it was simply: Spill lots and lots of Flyer blood.

        Period

  4. pitpenguinsrulez - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    Where was the penalty at Simmonds being the third man in? Seriously just wish someone would punch him right in the face.

    • flyerspsu - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

      by rule you cant get a 3rd man in penalty if the altercation you intervened in got game misconducts

      also at least Vinny had the balls to drop the gloves and take on one of the toughest in the league, cant imagine what crosby, malkin or neal would do in the same position, remember last year in the playoffs when Malkin wouldnt even take on Hamonic even tho he started the altercation and then half your team tackled Hamonic as Malkin then garnered the courage to start throwing punches while Crosby was creeping outside slashing Hamonic who was at the bottom of the pile

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:50 PM

        It’s ironic that the NHL’s rules completely ruined pitpenguinsrulez stupid, uniformed, biased argument.

    • laxman1944 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

      Don’t fret, I’m quite sure Neal/Malkin will lose their collective minds again the next time the Flyer/Penguin meet and they will procede to attempt to remove there heads from their shoulders.

      So show a little patients will ya??

      • President Charles Logan - Mar 7, 2014 at 8:51 PM

        still whining about that ?? awww

  5. myz43 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Waa! Waa! Waa! Good God! When an organization shows a commercial promoting Flyers Hockey with Claude Giroux, do they show him first passing or shooting? No, they show him pounding on a guy who is falling over and defenseless and he’s still pounding on him. Shut the F@@@ up! YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!

  6. sumkat - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    They Flyers went the “soft” route years ago, where they went to a more “skilled” team as opposed to a more physical style. What did it get them? They still lead the league in penalties. The league has decided the Flyers are the bullies FOREVER. They get called for things that NEVER get called just because they are the Flyers

    It’s never going to change, so you may as well embrace it

    • hockey412 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:56 PM

      I think that’s pretty much BS. They earn their penalties.

      No disrespect, I just think the orange tint in your glasses is making it hard to see their penalties.

    • nj666 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM

      Flyers fans need stop this “woe is me” act, that the flyers are somehow being persecuted by the league.

  7. greenkeeper15 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    you all can just blow. Punch simmonds in the face maybe if your team had someone with the balls to do it. Berube a cry baby love to see one of you key board tough guys say that to him. flyers are built on a team concept you mess with one you mess with all. Amazes me how many non flyers fan follow the post about are team. tells me all I need to know

    • toiletclown - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:51 PM

      yea bud keep thinking everyones a secret fan of that crap team lol

    • pitpenguinsrulez - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM

      Boy who peed in the your Wheaties this morning

    • sjsharks66 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM

      Your grammar is atrocious…

      signed,
      Secret Flyers Fan

  8. stevedasilva27 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    Obviuosly he was sleeping during that brawl. Erskine gets jumped by three guys and hes the instigator … Dont know about that one. Simmonds hold the guy while he gets punched in the face and misses the mext game with an “upper-body” injury and doesnt get any discipline from the league. Your right Berube, the Flyers dont get any breaks.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:17 PM

      Erskine rejected Simmonds invitation to fight atleast twice during that brawl, then only decided to finally drop the gloves when he was up against someone he knew he could beat. Maybe Simmonds should’ve gotten third man in but it doesn’t change the fact that Erskine picked a fight with a non-fighter, instead of settling the bad blood that’s been brewing with Simmonds. Also, people seem to ignore that this whole thing was started by Tom Wilson, who went after Schenn following a completely legal check by the defenseman.

      I don’t think there’s some league-wide conspiracy against the Flyers but it’s true, more often than not this team doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt. Rinaldo gets frequently called for penalties on clean hits bc they’re delivered with a ton of pop and look violent. He got called Wednesday for a matching roughing call simply for absorbing a retaliation attempt. Downie, on the other hand, seems to earn his calls. The guy is a clown with as much discipline as Carcillo. Overall, Berube is speaking with a bias but few know what’s a penalty better than him.

    • flyerspsu - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM

      Erskine threw off his gloves and ran at Vinny before any of that happened, once he did that thats when the Flyers tackled him, so if you saw one of the top 5 HWs in the league like lets Bordeleau, Mclaren, McGrattan throw off his gloves and make a B line at one of your skilled non fighting teammates would you not want your team to step in and prevent that mismatch?

  9. greenkeeper15 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    Big tough guy erskine went after vinny the boys came in to defend. Why not fight simmonds but he got his butt kicked anyway by vinny. Listen to announcers erskine was the moron in the whole thing

  10. narfmoo12 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    It’s funny because Schenn delivers a clean hit and the Caps start a brawl over it. During that brawl, nobody wants a piece of Simmonds, so they go after LeCavalier. Real group of tough guys in DC.

    • nj666 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM

      just like Ray “I’m going to attack a goalie because he’s played better” Emery…

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM

        So then any goalie fight is pointless and those goalies are fake tough guys? Tell that to Roy and Vernon.

      • laxman1944 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM

        That makes zero sense.

        But what did transpire after that fight was it galvanized a team and basically said if you attack one…….well be prepared to take on all of them.

        You may not like it but the results are there………This team is not going to go quietly into the night.

    • toiletclown - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM

      please someone inform me whats so scary about wayne simmonds haha

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:20 PM

        Start a fight with him and see. The guy can handle himself when the gloves are off.

      • sjsharks66 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:09 PM

        Absolutely nothing is scary about Simmonds. I don’t think any hockey player is afraid to fight him. Especially a guy like Erskine.

        Just look at his fight against Clowe or Engellend. Seems like Simmonds just holds on and waits for the refs.

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:20 PM

        Then Erskine is just a minge for avoiding Simmonds to fight a non-fighter.

  11. nj666 - Mar 7, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    What a fool, its clear from the 11 second mark that this whole thing erupted because of Simmonds smacking #29 in the head. But Berube can cry all he wants… They label themselves as the broad st bullies but then whine about it when other teams fight back?

    • narfmoo12 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:06 PM

      They haven’t been the bullies since the 70s when they were beating the snot out of the soviets. 1. It’s 2014, join the new millennium. … 2. You’re welcome for beating up the soviets, because I didn’t see the devils or golden seals, or whoever your team was back then doing anything.

      • 7mantel - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:23 PM

        True and the term “Broad Street Bullies ” was a from a reporter at the time describing the tactics used by the Flyers .If you saw that team play there is no way you can compare the two !

      • nj666 - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM

        woo hoo they beat up a more skilled soviet team in a pointless game! who cares and how is that relevant to today? and yes “the broad st bully” mentality is still there with this flyer team and its fan base just as it has been the last 40 years…

  12. statsdolie - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    Please everyone get off the pedestal of this holy than thou nonsense every team complains about officials at some point and time.

    • 7mantel - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:25 PM

      Exactly !

    • laxman1944 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:56 PM

      Well put sir…….

  13. flyerspsu - Mar 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    Before anyone says “but 3 Flyers jumped Erskine!” watch the replay, it shows Erskine throwing off his gloves and making a B line for Vinny before it broke loose, THAT started the brawl and is what drew Simmonds and Schenn to tackle Erskine to try to prevent that mismatch

    • sjsharks66 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:12 PM

      Except that never really happened. The Flyers just saw an opportunity to out number a tough guy and took it. Then when B Schenn is tied up with someone Simmonds grabs them also. Seems like Simmonds just wants in fights that are already going on. Backs away when the opportunity to go one on one is presented.

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. Simmonds has beat people up and is a decent fighter. He is not this scary guy that no one wants to fight.

    • nj666 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:14 PM

      and before that simmonds smacked a guy in the head while he was down.. I guess orange glasses dont see those types of things.

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:22 PM

        And before that, Schenn delivered a clean hit and all of the Caps flipped out like they were on a real housewives show.

      • flyerspsu - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM

        lol Simmonds gave him like a 2 finger light whack, that got Erskines attention but it was fine until Erskin threw off his gloves and ran at Vinny, thats when the Flyers stepped in

      • laxman1944 - Mar 7, 2014 at 3:26 PM

        And even before that Simmonds kicked 5 puppies and tripped an elderly lady as she crossed the streeet………

  14. kastout11 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    Unfortunately, it has always been that way for the Flyers. They always get hosed by the officials. Since the 70’s. You would think that over the last 40 years, things would change, but they will always be considered the Broad Street Bullies. Watching them play over lately, they have looked great and I have been pretty optomistic, but earlier today, I looked at their remaining schedule, and it is brutal. They play Chicago, Boston twice, St. Louis twice, Toronto twice and Pittsburg three times, not to mention rivalry opponenets, the Devils and Rangers. The playoffs will be a tall order, but the way they have been playing, I think they should make it.

  15. ibieiniid - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:15 PM

    how is Berube a cry baby though? the clauses “Berube was asked” and “You just deal with it” are pretty key points here.

  16. ironyisadeadscene - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    The Bruins have 178 PP opportunities to the Flyers 229 PP opportunities….that’ll be all

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLSAAAll&sort=powerPlayPercentage&viewName=powerPlay

    • flyerspsu - Mar 7, 2014 at 5:08 PM

      And how many times have they been shorthanded?

  17. nj666 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/28/couture-doesnt-get-why-overruled-hat-trick-goal-didnt-stand/

    yeah the flyers have really been hosed by the officials lately…

    • narfmoo12 - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM

      Yeah a disallowed goal in a 7-2 game really shows a bias in favor of the flyers!

    • maalea - Mar 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM

      Yea, because a no goal call in a blowout loss is a gift from the hockey gods.

    • nj666 - Mar 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM

      the flyers tanking that game was not at the fault of the officials, but they still “got a break” that Berube conveniently forgets.

      • flyerspsu - Mar 7, 2014 at 5:19 PM

        Berube is talking about penalties …

  18. bubblehead22 - Mar 7, 2014 at 5:19 PM

    This is a joke.. The goons are upset that they don’t get calls? The numbers on pp chances don’t lie and show they get plenty of calls

    Antagonism has been part of flyers “hockey” since the bullies and they still want rewarded for the retaliation they inspire with it.

    That style of hockey doesn’t win anymore.. 1975

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