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Report: Flyers table ‘substantial offer’ for Kesler, also inquiring about Edler

Mar 4, 2014, 10:59 AM EDT

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Philly’s back in the trade deadline mix.

According to reports from the Philadelphia Daily News, the Flyers have made a “substantial offer” to try and get Ryan Kesler out of Vancouver and, what’s more, have also inquired about the availability of Canucks defenseman Alex Edler.

Before everybody starts freaking out about the possibility of a gigantic blockbuster, a little cold water: Frank Seravalli of the Daily News reports that, with just over 24 hours until the deadline, “any deal of this magnitude seems rather unlikely,” and “there are numerous obstacles in the way.”

For one, any trade involving Kesler would be a team-altering hockey trade, and not your standard “rental”-type deal often consummated around the deadline. This blockbuster would also require serious salary moving both ways for each team remain cap compliant – and they usually take time to put together.

For the Flyers, that would likely mean parting ways with a center like Brayden Schenn. Though Holmgren does not have a burning desire to trade anyone on his roster, reiterating Monday he likes his team as assembled, the Flyers would much rather move Schenn than Sean Couturier

Still, it is intriguing.

The Flyers have a number of young, talented players and prospects that would tantalize Vancouver: Schenn, Couturier and, quite possibly, Scott Laughton, the 20th overall pick at the ’12 NHL Entry Draft that has 83 points in 51 for OHL Oshawa this year and captained Canada at the World Juniors.

What’s more, Edler has five years left on his deal and comes with a reasonable cap hit ($5 million annually) — which is actually less than Kimmo Timonen‘s $6 million hit. If the 38-year-old Timonen retires at year’s end, Edler could be the replacement moving forward.

Finally, the Flyers have shown an interest in Kesler before, signing him to an offer sheet in 2006. This would also suggest Kesler’s willingness to play in Philadelphia, important given he’s got control over this situation via his no-trade clause.


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  1. bcsteele - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    As the Bud Lights say…Here we go…

    • bcsteele - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:03 AM

      Damn my mind…*Bud Light Ads say”

      • thailer35 - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:56 AM

        I almost prefer it “As the Bud Lights say…”

        Just has a nice ring to it.

  2. ryanrockzzz - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    ….of course the Flyers would do this. SMH

  3. macgrubie - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    This is what sucks as flyers fan, watching them trade away future prospects for win-now moves as if they’re just a few parts away… F word

    • c9castine - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:15 PM

      why is it win now? keslar is not a rental he has an additional two years on his contract

  4. jbink2585 - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    breaking news fyers aquire Kessler as per philly daily news

    • jbink2585 - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:29 AM

      waiting for specifics

      • jbink2585 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:04 PM


      • runhigh24 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:08 PM

        this is Exhibit A why you never believe ESPN with regards to hockey news.

      • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM

        hahaha we’ve all been there bro

  5. joey4id - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Tread carefully Flyers….. Don’t jeopardize the future of your franchise for a short boost. Build! Patience! Grasshopper! The Canucks should expect a Kessler like player to replace him…. Can you afford that?

    Flyers have had an incredible year considering how the season started. They found stability in nets, and yes, they can use a defenseman (who can’t). They are the only team in the top 3 of each division that has a goal differential in the negatives.

    • thailer35 - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:48 AM

      “Build! Patience! Grasshopper!” makes it seem like you were in the middle of a rant and then adult A.D.D. got the best of you and you were distracted by an insect.

      If you had typed “Build! Patience, grasshopper!” instead, then it would seem like you were using a famous quote to give the Flyers some advice, which I believe was your intention.

      • joey4id - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:52 AM

        Yep! Build! Patience, grasshopper! :-)

  6. renberg19 - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    Homer does get a bad rap.
    He let go of Leino and Briere at the right time.
    The Richards to the Kings was a slam dunk win (Simmonds alone would have been awesome)
    Carter to the Blue Jackets was a no brainer especially for a yonger more talented Voracek.
    Now the argument about “well Carter and Richards won a Stanley Cup togethe” – doesn’t that fall on the Blue Jackets trade to the Kings, rather than the Flyers?
    To me, Luke Schenn for an oft-injured JVR was kind of a wash. Yes, JVR is now healthy and scoring – but at the time he was always injured and he Flyers got a young defenseman in return.

    The Mason trade looks brilliant now – wheras NHL insiders hated the trade.

    So what is the worst that Homer has done, Bryz? Sign Timmo to an extension when no other defensive players were available?

    Yes, the Flyers signed Bryz to a large contract – but I will gladly take what he has done right over what he has done wrong with this Franchise.

    P.S. I think the Flyers are just trying to up the asking price for Kesler so the Penguins give up more.

    • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:01 PM

      mmm hmmm….because Shero’s always acting all knee-jerk and overspending just to win the prize…like that ridiculous offer he made to Shea Weber….(oh wait)….

      I actually don’t disagree with much of your comment, though, except with the JVR thing it might’ve helped had the organization allowed him to play “his game” instead of expecting a teenager to step in and play smash-mouth hockey before his body has even filled out. Having said that the guy played 78 and 75 games in his first seasons, it’s not like he was always injured except his third season, and that’s when the Flyers let him go. (however, I don’t disagree with the trade, except I think Luke Schenn is one dumbest players in the league).

      I don’t think Holmgren is as bad as the comments dictate, but he is definitely entertaining. This trade will be an interesting one…I’d actually rather see the Pens go after Moulson or St. Louis, need some help on the wing.

      • girouxsalem89 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:49 PM

        Thats exactly what happened to Shero for Iginla. Literally one year ago.

        How did that work out again?

      • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:21 PM

        Did he overspend for Iginla? I remember many people in Calgary and in Boston claiming that Shero did NOT have the best deal on the table…is it Hanowski or Agostino that you think carried the future of the Pens on their back? The only other piece was a late first rounder…not a whole lot of those late first round names jump off the paper.

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:37 PM

        Didn’t the Penguins draft Maatta in the late first round of the 2012 draft? But I’m sure you can convince yourself that the late first round pick in the 2013 draft would have been worthless for the purposes of this discussion.

      • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 2:22 PM

        Drafted him mid-round, early 20’s. Drafted him young, too, and clearly weren’t expecting him to be impact so early. I actually don’t believe I said any of them were worthless, by any stretch of the imagination, unless you are trying to contort words to fit your own agenda – but was that an ‘over-payment’ for Iginla? To go all in, on a year they were expecting a deep run? Name which one of those late round picks you would NOT have given up to take that chance – go on, then! Which?

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 4, 2014 at 2:41 PM

        20s is late first round. 1-10 is early, 11-20 is mid, 21-30 is late. I wouldn’t trade Maatta or Laughton for a 6 week rental of a 35 year old. I don’t know enough about random players from juniors or overseas to say which ones I would or wouldn’t trade, but I’m not trading a first round pick for any rental, let alone a first round pick AND two players for an aging rental.

      • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

        Ah. Well, Kesler is not a rental, he’s signed for 2 more years. And as for the Iginla 1st round trade, who knows…they had two the year before, and hell if it meant adding as much as Shero did to his roster last year, I’d do it. Did it pay off? Brought a lot more money in than it would have if they didn’t make it out of the first round, that’s for sure. So from a purely business standpoint the $ coming in outweighed the $ going out, and I really don’t think Shero weakened the team by trading it. Continually doing it might hurt, and I actually see your point, but with Crosby and Malkin in the line up, Shero does not have the luxury of sitting back, every once in a while it’s cool to gamble…and it’s cool for the Pens fans to see him take a chance that might work.

    • moarjam - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM

      Basically what he did was blow up the most successful flyers team in the past decade. And it has yielded…Nothing! Meanwhile the guys on the other end have rings.

      The whole point of trades is to make your team better and they aren’t.

      JVR for L. Schenn a wash? give me a break!

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:48 PM

        The injury to Pronger is what blew up this team.

        Richards for Schenn, Simmonds and a pick.
        Carter for Voracek and Couturier

        Which of those trades didn’t make the Flyers better and you wish they could reverse? Neither trade? That’s right.

      • dku5 - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:21 PM

        Homer broke up a Cinderalla team. Homer ( and the rest of the NHL) Saw weakness in a .500 team that squeaked into the 7th seed on a shootout victory. The year after that they were swept by Boston. I don’t see that as success on any level.

    • flyerspsu - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:47 PM

      The flyers lost on the Richards trade and got smoked on the jvr trade, with that said Holmgren isnt that bad, he just makes so many moves that he’s bound to lose some, but like you said he’s also made some great moves

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM

        Mike Richards (29 years old) since the trade: 18/26/44, 12/20/32, 8/30/38
        Brayden Schenn (22 years old): 12/6/18, 8/18/26, 16/18/34
        Wayne Simmonds (25 years old): 28/21/49, 15/17/32, 19/26/45

        How exactly did the Flyers lose on the Richards trade? Simmonds is doing better than Richards by himself, and Schenn is 22 years old and on the verge of a 50 point season in his first year at his natural position.

      • flyerspsu - Mar 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM

        I question your hockey knowledge if you honestly think Simmonds has been doing better than Richards, Richards plays in a defensive system as their shutdown center against the other teams best players, its not just about points, richards is a much better all around player than Simmonds and schenn, he is the exact type of player Kesler is who only has 39 points, less than Simmonds, but is widely recognized as the far superior player, so I ask you, has Simmonds been doing better than Kesler?

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM

        I’ve stated many times that I think Kesler is overrated. I wouldn’t trade Schenn, a first rounder, and whoever else for Kesler. Richards isn’t their shutdown defensive center, and if he is, he’s not doing well. He’s one of four Kings in the minus, and the only regular in the minus. Furthermore, Simmonds is much better an wing than Richards is at center, and Schenn is already playing as well as Richards, but he’s just 22 years old and finally getting consistent minutes at center.

      • flyerspsu - Mar 4, 2014 at 3:09 PM

        ok there is no point of continuing this argument if you seriously think schenn and simmonds are playing just as good or better, just a ridiculous statement

      • narfmoo12 - Mar 4, 2014 at 3:19 PM

        What’s ridiculous is that every Flyers fan and GM would make that trade but you want to argue it was a bad trade based on absolutely nothing. What you’re saying is that you would rather have Richards has the Flyers second line center than have Schenn and Simmonds on the second line, with a total of 79 points so far this season, AND they are younger players who are nowhere near their peak. Richards peaked a few years ago, and now is a minus player on a team full of plus players. I bet you also wish we could trade Couturier and Voracek to get Carter back.

      • valoisvipers - Mar 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

        I would take Simmonds over Richards or Kesler, straight up, any day.

      • dku5 - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:43 AM

        Flyerspsu…If you want to question hockey knowledge, lets put this in perspective. At the time of the trade, lavvy was the HC. Lavvy’s system of hockey was offense first and often. For Lavvy, the game plan was to win 5-4 as opposed to 2-1. The support for this is in blue line: players who can score and add depth to the PP. Thus, they dropped a two player and went for younger, faster, players who can add more goals to the team, and hope the +/- is always positive.

        To answer your question as to which is better, Simmonds or Richards? Simmonds is doing better in the Flyers strategy than Richards, and that is the important key.

  7. crazemastercraze - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:33 AM

    Just for laughs they’ll add Lulongo to the deal as well

  8. bencia823 - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    As a Pens fan, this is why I love Holmgren

  9. jpelle82 - Mar 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    i hope this happens so the penguins dont do this.

    • mcphillthy - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM

      I would love to see the pens pay that ransom for kesler. I hope the flyers pass on this deal. I like our team as is. I worry that if we make a big move happen that homer will do something dumb and move Simmonds.
      Either way… I hope the flyers do not follow through on this

      • jpelle82 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:12 PM

        seems like the consensus is that the price is too high for either side of pennsylvania to get too excited about it.

    • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM

      Interesting article, and I don’t completely disagree though I do think Kesler would help on a 2nd PP unit. But the bigger picture is even strenth, injuries or no injuries they are just not getting production from the third and fourth lines. The Pens aren’t built to roll 4 lines, by any stretch, but there has to be something more. Against a defensive minded team they aren’t going to be able to get it done with this roster as it is.

      • jpelle82 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:17 PM

        i like the point being that kesler plays with better guys at even strength in vancouver and unless there is a major shakeup of the lines, he would be playing with worse players on line 3 with the penguins. if they play him with crosby that still leaves unbalanced lines 3 and 4. doesnt bode well for his offensive numbers unless he fits into line 1 or 2 either so you’re not really gaining any production over sutter in my opinion. sutter does just fine in his defensive role as it is so why bother getting kesler unless its to bolster scoring on line 3? i dont think he can do that on his own though and i see him as more of a utility guy for the pens anyway…faceoffs, pk, 2nd pp unit etc.

      • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:30 PM

        That part I agree with – hopefully Ray goes after wings. Moulson, St. Louis even. He really does want that strength down the middle though.

  10. jeremyroenickdanceparty - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    B. Schenn, Downie, Mezaros and a pick for Kesler and Edler.

    • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:08 PM

      Downie and Mezaros would not entice anyone….and Schenn won’t count as the prospect they are looking for…doesn’t sound like a good trade at all.

    • jeremyroenickdanceparty - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:08 PM

      and bring up Tye McGinn for good.

      • jbink2585 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM

        Im a flyers fan and unless Van GM is seriously drunk and sedated im not sure hed take that that is the biggest trash offer ever. Downie is garbage and UFA at year end so IS MEZ back to the drawing board with that offer

    • elvispocomo - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:15 PM

      Hahahahahaha! Oh wait, you were serious?!

    • flyerspsu - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:54 PM

      That wouldn’t be even close to enough to get Kessler and elder, that probably wouldn’t be enough to get Kessler alone, the canucks aren’t interested in mez and downie, they are rental players worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick

    • flyerspsu - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:55 PM

      That wouldn’t be even close to enough to get Kesler and elder, that probably wouldn’t be enough to get Kesler alone, the canucks aren’t interested in mez and downie, they are rental players worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick

  11. jbink2585 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    If you want to get both probably be more like Schenn or Coutz 1 of the 2 laughton,Mez, D prospect and 1st round pick and probably another future second or 3rd rounder

  12. kastout11 - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    I agree that most of Homer’s moves, with obviously the Bryzy move, although I think Ed Snider definitely had something to do with the Bryzy signing. Personally, I do not want to trade Schenn, Couterier, Laughton, Moran or future 1st rounders, but Kesler is a great two-way player with versatility. He would be a great addition, but what would it cost Philly, probably too much.

  13. dropthepuckeh - Mar 4, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    At least if Pitt acquires Kessler they will save time/money by not having to enroll him in their diving-act-like-I-got-shot orientation class usually required of new players….

    • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:27 PM

      ….and there’s the a-hole (there’s always one)…you’re late!

      • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM

        they aren’t normally Boston fans though, because Marchand…

      • dropthepuckeh - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:35 PM

        It was too easy. Kessler will be a great pickup for whoever gets him and Shero never ceases to amaze so I wouldn’t be surprised. Big 24 hours ahead…

      • hockey412 - Mar 4, 2014 at 2:23 PM

        Yeah, it wasn’t a bad application of the joke, I’ll give you that.

  14. archarya - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    The flyers will not trade their first rounder this year. Maybe even their second. The draft is in philly this year. Ya think they’ll host it with no good picks? The fans here would go nuts.

    • flyerspsu - Mar 4, 2014 at 1:57 PM

      They would trade next years 1st

  15. laxman1944 - Mar 4, 2014 at 2:22 PM

    Paul………Paul………PAUL……..Put that phone DOWN and walk away…….good boy.

  16. sioux1919 - Mar 4, 2014 at 10:13 PM

    Send both Schenns, mezaros,and Downey. Here’s a chance to get rid of Luke Schenn

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