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Discuss: Flyers ride late surge, stun Caps in OT

Mar 2, 2014, 3:19 PM EDT

When things began turning around for the Philadelphia Flyers earlier this season, they started to become an especially tough out when other teams carried leads into the third period. That trend might just carry over to the post-Olympic break, as they stormed back from a 4-2 third period deficit to beat the Washington Capitals 5-4 in OT on Sunday.

A few thoughts to take with you into the comments:

— Orlov’s two-goal game was the first of his career. It also boosted his season goal total to three. Oddly enough, all three goals have come against the Flyers.

— It wasn’t all fun and games for Orlov as he took a five-minute major for charging Brayden Schenn in the third period. Voracek scored during the major power play, but the Caps limited the damage to just one goal. Click here for video of the hit.

Mark Streit generated one of those how-was-that-not-a-goal moments as he kept this puck out … barely:

Alex Ovechkin didn’t score a goal, so his season total stays at 43. He did unfortunately contribute to a Flyers goal.

— The Flyers won, but Steve Downie made some bonehead plays that might get him in the doghouse. Is he worth the trouble for Philly?

  1. narfmoo12 - Mar 2, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    Great comeback win. I believe that was the 11th win when trailing in the 3rd period this year for the Flyers.

    Downie is not worth it and if the Flyers make any moves, it is to find a winger to put Downie in the press box.

    By the way, despite his awful start, Giroux is now 7th in the NHL in points.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:01 PM

      Giroux has been money in these comebacks this season. And Simmonds is just a joy to watch; never gives up, and good luck getting the puck off his stick. What a great game. But my god, Downie is more frustrating than Carcillo used to be. How in the hell does he get PP time? Especially over someone like Raffl, who actually makes smart plays. If Downie isn’t a healthy scratch Wednesday I’d be shocked.

      Also, let’s not forget Mason in this game. Both goalies were great despite the score. I kinda feel bad for Holtby bc he made some absolutely stunning stops. And Mason continued to bail out his terrible D. Anyway, great win, important points. Beating Washington on Wednesday would be HUGE.

      • spoiler2010 - Mar 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM

        The Rangers got Carcillo, and the Flyers’ll wish they had that bad boy back this Spring.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 2, 2014 at 5:18 PM

        I’m well aware of where Carcillo is and no, I don’t think so. We have Zac Rinaldo, who I’d take over that idiot any day.

      • flyerspsu - Mar 2, 2014 at 6:10 PM

        lol the “bad boy”, the same plug who got his ass kicked by Luke Schenn and wussed out from fighting Rinaldo …

  2. mp1131211 - Mar 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    They deserved that win because the caps

  3. lowenni - Mar 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    The Caps lack mental toughness and the killer instinct. We’ve been giving up losses like these all year and it’s coming back to hurt us. We’ll be up two goals in the third, give up the lead, then lose in overtime or just win in the shootout. Oates needs to get these guys together and teach em to finish the game off right instead of sitting back on leads.

    • narfmoo12 - Mar 2, 2014 at 3:39 PM

      If you look at the brightside, the Caps are 25th in regulation/overtime wins, but still very much in the playoff hunt.

  4. fivetozeroingame7 - Mar 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    Not a surprise.

  5. mp1131211 - Mar 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    …all but gave it to them. Is it just me or do the flyers seem to have really bad communication between players on ice?

    • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:04 PM

      We just have a defense corps that couldn’t make a smart outlet pass to save its life. Even “puck movers” like Streit, Mez, and Timonen seem to get pinned far too often.

  6. flyerspsu - Mar 2, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Another great comeback in the 3rd for the Flyers and another gem of a game between these 2 teams, it would be sick to see these teams meet in the playoffs

  7. blomfeld - Mar 2, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    Blomfeld: could you please repeat that again witness ?

    O’Brien: Well, he ‘did’ unfortunately contribute to a Flyers goal …

    Blomfeld: Thank you witness … your honor, we’ve no further questions at this time …

    Judge: Very well then, the court finds the Ovi lovers ‘guilty’ as charged !!!

    • capsfan14 - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:11 PM

      You’re an idiot.

    • joey4id - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:21 PM

      comarade blomfeld, you are ordered to seek and destroy the imposter known as capsfan14.

    • patthehockeyfan - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:27 PM

      Hey, blom. Give the Ovi thing a rest, would you? You’re like that needle stuck on a record. And you have your little pet, joey, jumping on the bandwagon.

      I read an earlier post you wrote about Kings’ fans putting aside their differences and coming together to root for the Kings. If you’re going to root for the Kings, at least be a mensch and leave Ovi out of it. What does he have to do with the Kings?

      Finally, find some new videos. Again, the needle is stuck and you’re repeating yourself ad nauseum.

      You give Kings’ fans a bad name.

    • joey4id - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM

      Ovi finished the game -3, but then again. plus/minus only means he was on the ice for at least three goals, but could be more. Nah! That means nothing. Right?

  8. rockthered1286 - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Because we all know Ovechkin is the ONLY offensive player in the NHL to ever give up any goal ever. As a matter of fact if he was off this team the caps would be on first place. He’s that terrible. Goals aside because obviously anybody can score 43 by now. I mean everybody has done it right? He’s just the worst player in the nhl hands down. He should just retire now.

    • joey4id - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM

      He a got the worse plus minus of the team, but leads the team in points. Carlson averages more ice time, has played more games than Ovi, and plays against the best offensive player of the opponents. What’s wrong with this picture?

      • lowenni - Mar 2, 2014 at 5:11 PM

        Great players don’t have to be perennial Selke-candidates, joey4id. Could his defense be better? Yes. But is his plus-minus completely overblown and misleading? Most certainly. Ovi has 43 goals already, 11 more than anyone else. The fact that people have so much criticism for this guy amazes me, he doesn’t score in one game and it’s all his fault? The guy is one of the best goal scorers of all time, he might hit 700 goals by the end of his career if he plays for a while. What more do you people want?????

      • joey4id - Mar 2, 2014 at 5:22 PM

        Toews and Crosby are great players and niether are Selke-candidates, lowenni. Ovi’s defense sucks big time. He’s a liability. His plus/minus is indicative of that liability. From the franchise’s $10 million player and captain you expect leadership, unselfishness, and 200 feet hockey. Clearly three elements missing in Ovi’s game. He can’t follow a game plan because he can’t play 200 feet hockey.

        “In hockey, the guys who wear the letters have on ice responsibilities and duties. That’s just a tiny piece of what a captain really does, though. Perhaps most importantly, it is he who must serve as the liaison between the players and management. The coaches will devise a game plan and then lean on the captain to make sure it gets executed properly. They can reach to the players all they want to on the ice about X’s and O’s, but there will be no buy-in until the cap’ sells it to the boys in the dressing room. The players hear the coaches, but they don’t necessarily always listen to the coaches-big difference.”

        Source: “Wearing the “C” Leadership Secrets from Hockey’s Greatest Captains”, by Ross Bernstein

      • lowenni - Mar 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

        Actually, Toews is a Selke-candidate just about every year. He won last year, although apparently you aren’t educated on the matter. I think Toews and Crosby are fantastic captains, and they play real good two-way hockey. And yes, I think they’re better captains than Ovi (and I’m a Caps fan). That being said, Caps fans, Caps players, and Oates, all love Ovi. Even if Nicky Backstrom is a more complete player than Ovi, he has to be the captain. Ovi IS the Capitals, this city loves him to death. For many years he was the only major sports figure and one of very few in this city’s history to win MVP honors. Maybe he is a liability in the defensive zone. But god da*mit the guy is one of the best goal scorers ever. You want proof he’s a great leader? Last year he singlehandedly led this team out of the cellar of the Eastern conference and ended up winning MVP. This year at the Olympics, when his team lost a battle that was not his fault, he was the ONLY player on the team to stay behind and talk to the media. He took the heat and took the blame. He always does. You can rightfully question Ovi’s defensive game, but there is no ground to question his heart, skill, passion, and the love the Caps have for him.

        An interview with Adam Oates after Ovi’s Olympic loss:
        How do you want [Ovechkin] to handle this?
        AO: I heard he was the only guy who talked to the media. That’s how I want him to handle it. That’s being a pro and a man, right?

        Taking heat?
        AO: Yeah. If you’re going to accept the accolades, you have to accept the criticism.

      • joey4id - Mar 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM

        low, I agree with most of what you wrote. Selke trophy winners are almost never the team’s leading point getter. St. Louis, Crosby, Stamkos, Kane are all very good defensive players. “You want proof he’s a great leader? Last year he singlehandedly led this team out of the cellar of the Eastern conference and ended up winning MVP.” Where was he in the playoffs vs the Rangers? When has he been able to lead the caps to the SCF? How much team success has he had? Do you expect Oates to say anything negative about Ovi? He would lose his job faster than you can snap your fingers? Talking to the media is part of the job description. So is leading by example. Not just offensively, but defensively as well.

        “The best captains possess some intangibles that can only be described as extraordinary. They have the ability to rise to the occasion. It’s in their blood. When the game is on the line, that’s when the captain plays bigger than anybody else. That’s when he earns his paycheck-in crunch time, in the clutch. He’s the guy with ice water in his veins, in overtime of Game 7 of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Need a big goal, a game winner? He’s your guy. If he can’t make and end-to-end rush capped off by the perfect toe-drag, top shelf, back handed wrister, then he’ll deflect it from the point with his teeth. That’s his role. He’s a two-way player that is not afraid to go into the corners or stand in front of the cage.”

        Source: “Wearing the “C” Leadership Secrets from Hockey’s Greatest Captains”, by Ross Bernstein

      • lowenni - Mar 2, 2014 at 6:57 PM

        The Washington Capitals’ lack of playoff success is on nobody except George McPhee. He failed to build a contending team around Ovechkin and Backstrom at their height, Ovi is more than a point per game player in the palyoffs. Your quote talks about being clutch and scoring big goals…Ovechkin’s already 6th all time in overtime goals and he’s not even 30 yet. The fact that he hasn’t had “team success” says more about the Caps TEAM than it does Ovi. There are very few players ever who could really singlehandedly carry a team to a Stanley Cup on a middling team. Generally they are goalies. Caps fans are okay with Ovi’s leadership…Caps management is okay with Ovi’s leadership…and Caps players are okay with Ovi’s leaderships…if they are, then you of whatever team you support have no reason to question it.

      • joey4id - Mar 2, 2014 at 7:28 PM

        This is where you lose me. You praise him for what he’s accomplished in the regular season, but blame GMGM for their playoff failures. No one player can carry a team to a Stanley Cup. Not Crosby, Chara, or Toews. No one can singlyhandedly carry a team to the gold medal in the Olympics, but it all starts with the guy wearing the C.

        “They’re leaders for a reason. Jonny and Sid, they brought it every night. When you’ve got your top guys going like that, it’s pretty easy for us to follow.” — Jeff Carter, on the play of Jonathan Toews and Sidney Crosby

      • blomfeld - Mar 2, 2014 at 7:48 PM

        “When you’ve got your top guys going like that, it’s pretty easy for us to follow.” — Jeff Carter, on the play of Jonathan Toews and Sidney Crosby …

        Lowenni – no doubt you mean well and all, however this statement by Carter provided c/o Joey puts you in a ‘check mate’ position, thus rendering any further defense of Ovechkin an exercise in complete futility … end.

      • sumkat - Mar 2, 2014 at 9:43 PM

        There is a way to question his “passion”. After this many years in the league, a guy who was “passionate” about winning, would of put more work in on his defensive game.

        Would I want Ovi on my team. A resounding YES. Would I want Ovi wearing the C on my team, or making anywhere near 10M a year? A resounding NO. I understand why the Caps gave him that contract. He was it, the entire show. But he has not progressed at all in the last 4-5 years. If he would of just got a little better each year on D, he may not be in the running for the Selke, but he would be a solid defender by now

        I cant’ question his heart and skill. But it’s completely justifiable to question his passion

      • joey4id - Mar 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

        Amen! Brother Sumkat! Amen!

      • rockthered1286 - Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 AM

        Plus minus is an overblown team stat. I still don’t grasp how the man is solely responsible for the other 4 on the rink, especially when he’s playing offense. If you told me that 90% of the goals allowed while he’s on the rink came from the point on his side and it was because he didnt get back I’d eat crow. But saying the defensive pairing sucks (as do 90% of the Caps D) and therefore it’s Ovechkin’s fault is flat out ignorant.

      • joey4id - Mar 3, 2014 at 8:52 AM

        rockthered, plus/minus means different things to different people. it means nothing to Ovi because he can’t play defense and he hasn’t improved his d play all that much. It means the world to Patrice Bergeron because he prides himself on effective d play to shutdown the opposition when he’s on the ice. It also meant the world to one of the games best defense men.

        “One of the statistics I took pride in over the years was the plus-minus. I always took great pride in being a plus player. I never wanted my teammates to feel like I was a liability, so I always felt a big responsibility to play good defense. That was the base for my game, for sure. For me, whenever I was doing the right things in the defensive zone, then things just seemed to come a little easier in the offensive zone.” Scott Stevens

        Source: “Wearing the “C” Leadership Secrets from Hockey’s Greatest Captains”, by Ross Bernstein

  9. jm31221 - Mar 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    I was at this game, all I have to say is, as a Caps fan who has seasons tickets and has pretty much seen every game since I was eight years old, I love Adam Oates as a hockey player, as a person, but as a coach he sucks (period). One minute and thirty seconds left in a division rival game where we are up by 1 goal, who does he put on the ice? Alex Ovechkin, Backstrom, ORLOV, MIKE GREEN, and Brooks Laich. Essentially he put four offensive players with a KNOWN reputation for playing bad defense when the game was on the line. Adam Oates is not the coach Washington needs, he mad a horrible call tonight and it cost us the game.

    • maalea - Mar 2, 2014 at 9:08 PM

      The Orlov penalty provided the spark that the Flyers were lacking. What a selfish move, He was more interested in retaliation than in playing disciplined hockey.

    • abizzle03 - Mar 2, 2014 at 9:22 PM

      I’m glad someone finally acknowledged this. Why would anyone ever put Ovechkin out there when trying to protect a 1 goal lead with under two minutes left? I’ll tell you. Because a cheap empty net goal and personal stats are more important to the Capitals than two points in the standings. And that’s why they’ll never win. The whole focus at this point is validating Ovechkin’s status in the league’s superstar hierarchy with personal stats rather than winning. As someone who can’t stand the Caps and their bandwagon fans, I hope they maintain that mindset forever.

    • sumkat - Mar 2, 2014 at 9:46 PM

      Personally, I cringe every time I see/hear about Oats

      But that’s just because I’m a Flyers fan, and Clarke was dumb enough to get fleeced for (I believe 3?) first round picks for him

  10. capspats - Mar 2, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    That orlov penalty just sucked. Oh well, congrats flyers fans, your team took control of the 3rd and OT and deserved the win

    • sumkat - Mar 2, 2014 at 9:48 PM

      Only thing that sucked is that he was dumb enough to do it

      He was clearly directly behind him, and he clearly left his feet (if he put his elbow in to his head also is debatable, but I thought he did), just to get “revenge” for Schenn laying a clean hit on him just prior.

      It was the definition of what a 5 minute boarding should be

  11. ndrick731 - Mar 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM

    Hopefully by Wednesday at 3 pm Downie and Coburn are somebody else’s problem. Downie is a total waste of a roster spot and Coburn couldn’t defend or clear a 7 year old from in front of the net. Why either is in the lineup is one of the great mysteries of the universe. Why the hell Downie is out on the power play is something that needs to explained. All the while raffl sits. Just don’t get that.

  12. jimw81 - Mar 3, 2014 at 2:30 AM

    that was a bizarre game in so many ways.downie is done as a flyer. after wins against rangers and capitals, flyers are officially become buyers before wednesday’s deadline. the real eyesore of the flyers defense is grossman. Orlov’s two-goal game is over shadowed by a very selfish bonehead move that will get him suspended for at least 2 games. that is the kinda hits the league are trying to get rid of. AO just proved once again he’s one dimensional player just like he was in the olympics and throughout his career.but sad part about today was there was no post game analysis from milbury regarding AO.

  13. kastout11 - Mar 3, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Gritty win, but they will have to sure up their defesne if they intend to contend in the Eastern Conference. Downie was terrible yesterday. I like the energy he brings, but cannot deal with the needless penalties and lack of discipline. Also, if anyone watched the charging call against Schenn. Clearly noboby wants to get hit like that, but Schenn knew Orlov would run him because Schenn crushed him behind the net earlier in the shift. In fact, Schenn saw him coming then faced the boards to at least draw a boarding call. Smart play, but he took a hard hit. I am a big Flyers and Schenn fan and I think he did the same thing when Wilson hit him the last time they played.

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