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Report: Islanders projected to get a lot for Vanek

Feb 5, 2014, 9:56 AM EDT

NEW YORK, NY - JANUARY 29: (EDITORIAL USE ONLY) Thomas Vanek #26 of the New York Islanders controls the puck against the New York Rangers during the 2014 Coors Light NHL Stadium Series at Yankee Stadium on January 29, 2014 in New York City. (Photo by Elsa/Getty Images) Getty Images

The New York Islanders gave up Matt Moulson, a first-round pick, and a second-round selection in order to get Thomas Vanek back in October. Now that it seems unlikely that he’ll re-sign before the free agent period, he’s expected to be moved again.

Nothing has gone the way the Islanders planned, but at this point their best bet is just to cut their losses. In that regard, there is still hope.

From ESPN:

The early word around the league is that the cost to snag Vanek would be a three-asset haul, whether those assets are first-round picks or prospects or a player. It could be any combination. And if one of the assets is high-end enough, perhaps a two-asset package could do it.

The Los Angeles Kings are believed to be among the teams interested in his services. They would certainly make sense given their offensive woes, although they might ultimately settle on a cheaper solution.

Whether or not the Islanders’ Vanek experiment is regarded as a major misstep will be judged on what return the Islanders can get for him compared to what they surrendered. Even still, Vanek has left the door open to the possibility of re-signing with the Islanders in the summer even if they trade him.

Of course, the persistent rumor is that he’s actually interested in playing with the Wild in 2014-15. Perhaps it will be sooner if the Wild pursue him at the deadline, but given their cap situation, it might be better for them to simply wait until the free agent period. That way they won’t have to meet the Islanders’ demands either.

Report:

Vanek: Decision not to sign with Isles involves more ‘than a contract’

  1. bcisleman - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Vanek was absolutely clear about the fact that he wasn’t re-signing because he wanted to test the market. Garth wanted to get JT out of his comfort zone and perform at a higher level. That’s why he traded Matty. Isles need a good young goalie or goalie prospect out of this deal and at least a first rounder. They also should try to convert AMac into goaltending talent.

    • bcisleman - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:14 AM

      Sorry that should read was not wasn’t.

    • jpelle82 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM

      i respect your opinion and your knowledge of your team but do you really think snow traded moulson to make jt perform at a higher level? he’s never going to be sid, i dont know how much higher of a level he could get to than that. trading away his help wont bring wins.

      • barkar942 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:56 PM

        Personally, Tavares is a top 5 talent in the NHL.
        He has been with Okposo for most of his career, and the Islanders have tried rotating others around him.
        PA Parentheau is a prime example of a player raising his level of play and his numbers while playing with top talent.
        Moulson is another who was able to raise his level with JT.
        Vanek is a upper tier player, but nowhere near Tavares or Crosby.
        Some team will fork over the bucks for him, and the Isles will still be trying to fill in the team around JT.
        Hopefully, the Isles will pick up a goalie and some other top tier players once they move to Brooklyn.

      • bcisleman - Feb 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

        I base it on the fact that Snow plainly said that he was trying to bring the team’s play to another level when he made the trade and he wouldn’t use such words lightly. No two players in the NHL have a bond on and off the ice that’s any closer than JT and Matty–something that JT himself poignantly alluded to after the trade–so it doesn’t seem much of a stretch AND JT certainly has taken his play to another level this year.

        I think Brock Nelson is more than ready to step into a top line role and Anders Lee isn’t far behind. If the Isles get a good young goalie out of either the Vanek or AMac trades, they will be a much better team especially once the awesome D talent in the system matures.

    • vm113 - Feb 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM

      Detroit has what it takes to land Vanek. Mrazek could be the cornerstone. But no way does Holland give up what it’ll take for a rental. A extension would have to be part of the deal.

      • bcisleman - Feb 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM

        Mrazek would work as part of the trade. Doubt Vanek would commit to re-signing as part of the deal. The best hope of ANY team that trades for him would be to have a good cup run and re-sign him in the off season.

    • mrceebees14 - Feb 6, 2014 at 8:04 PM

      Comfort zone?? Since when was JT ever in a comfort zone? The guy is not lazy, this is not Roman Hamrlik, he is most definitely not someone who takes days off on the ice. Moulson was traded because Buffalo wanted value with their two picks and they got it with Moulson.

      I do agree 100% they need a goaltender, but a seasoned one to help Poulin along.

  2. ethanmacleod1685 - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Only contending teams are probably going to go after him but their not going to give up much because their trying to contend. So I can’t see NYI getting much more than draft picks for him. They need to try and get a top defenseman.

    • ethanmacleod1685 - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:18 AM

      Or a goalie

    • hockey412 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:29 PM

      Oridinarily I would agree with you – but with the lower cap, a lot of the contending teams actually might need to give up a roster player anyway to get him. I can see giving a prospect also as long as it isn’t a future star, and I agree on the picks.

      • bcisleman - Feb 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM

        Read THN’s take on it. At the deadline, Vanek’s hit will only be about $600k and the Isles might assume some or all of that in return for more assets. They aill need more than picks though. They will need a good young player or prospect along with the picks.

  3. alicesrightfootesq - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    LA could use a scorer .

  4. anthj99 - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Moulson for Vanek straight up.

    • greatmiamisportsmind - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM

      Why would Buffalo make that trade?

      • islesjb - Feb 5, 2014 at 3:03 PM

        I guess that joke flew right over that great mind of yours

      • anthj99 - Feb 5, 2014 at 5:13 PM

        Haha.

    • barkar942 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:58 PM

      LOL!

  5. stcrowe - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    If he is absolutely insistent on testing free agency, a GM would have to be totally desperate to offer up three decent assets for a rental.

    • jpelle82 - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM

      someone will.

      • tlow97 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:57 PM

        Garth Snow would!

    • biasedhomer - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM

      Unless that GM thinks Vanek can make his team the favorite to win the Cup this season.

      • flash8910 - Feb 5, 2014 at 11:47 AM

        Even when they are not favored to win the Cup, it’s never stopped the GM’s before.

  6. purpleguy - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    He’s made it clear he is going to test the FA market, so I’m not sure why any team would give up three assets for a sure-fire rental. For example, do the Kings really think they are Cup contending material sufficient to give up 3 future assets for a Cup run? Really?

    • biasedhomer - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:54 AM

      Ultimately, if Vanek gets traded to a team that goes onto win the cup this year, was it worth the assets that were given up?

    • jpelle82 - Feb 5, 2014 at 10:59 AM

      they would be the perfect fit, they need goals. i’m sure they wish they still had scrivens to trade though. they won the cup when they limped into the playoffs as the 8th seed a couple years ago, why not do it again? if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse as they say….

      • flash8910 - Feb 5, 2014 at 11:50 AM

        Do you think the Isles want Scrivens, who is going to be a UFA?

        Even if the Kings still had Scrivens, the Isles would ask for Jones.

      • jpelle82 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:07 PM

        yes but if they still had scrivens they could give up jones though and re-sign scrivens. point being it would be nice to have 3 goalies, with one expendable. i think the isles will want whatever they can get at this point and scrivens wouldnt have been out of the question….they will be desperate to move him…other gm’s know that too.

      • flash8910 - Feb 5, 2014 at 2:04 PM

        OK, I see your point. However, it’s still a tough situation because you are assuming no other team will offer more $$$ for Scrivens. I think he has done enough to warrant a good raise from another team. A team that needs a starting goalie. It would be tough for the Kings to match the offer for a backup goalie.

  7. flash8910 - Feb 5, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Apparently, to be a GM in the NHL, you have to be a sucker, too. Anyone willing to pay those prices are suckers.

  8. gratescott - Feb 5, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    One positive bargaining chip for the Isles is that they have ample cap space. Keep an eye on teams like Vancouver, Los Angeles, and Detroit. All need to clear space in order to add a goal scorer before the deadline.

  9. mattymarts17 - Feb 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    Marvin Jones, Toffoli and a 2nd?

    • hawksin5 - Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

      as a fan of neither team, this would be a truly interesting trade, and to play GM of both sides i would do it. that would be a perfect fit for both. as long as u mean *MARTIN jones.

      • flash8910 - Feb 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM

        Maybe Snow would be fall for it and trade for MARVIN Jones from the Kings.

    • Aaron - Feb 5, 2014 at 3:01 PM

      Who is Marvin Jones?

      Martin Jones. and not unless LA gets a backup goalie in return. They already traded away Scrivens.

  10. btlpper68 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    He wants to go to minesota

    • jpelle82 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

      thanks for your input captain obvious. minnesota can get him without having to trade for him now though. they just have to wait until july.

      • gratescott - Feb 5, 2014 at 2:39 PM

        But if they do trade for him before the deadline they can offer him an 8-year contract unlike every other franchise…

      • cmmorgan32 - Feb 5, 2014 at 3:22 PM

        @gratescott: I doubt the extra year is a factor for Minnesota. They might make an offer at the deadline, but it probably won’t come close to what the asking price is. Especially when you take into account what they gave up to get Pominville. Minnesota will either wait until FA in July or they might make a play for negotiating rights around draft time.

      • jpelle82 - Feb 5, 2014 at 3:37 PM

        i hope he was kidding about the 8 yr thing….

      • cmmorgan32 - Feb 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM

        In gratescott’s defense, there might actually be a team or 2 out there that would consider an 8th year to be important enough to trade for Vanek. I just don’t see that as being enough incentive for Minnesota to actually make a substantial offer for Vanek before the trade deadline.

  11. tjvalley - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    Since the isles got effed by LA WHEN THEY OFFERED niederider for bernier I’m going to assume if LA wants Vanek they better come begging.

    • greatmiamisportsmind - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM

      Another bad trade Snow made….

      Niederreiter for Cal Clutterbuck….

      • gratescott - Feb 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM

        Puhleeze. It wasn’t a bad trade at all. Wow “Nina” has 27 points! Are you aware he’s a RFA at the end of the year? The Isles already wrapped up Cal through 2017 at a moderate 2.5m cap hit/year, while the Wild are already maxed out as a team heading into next season.

        I’d take Cal any day. He plays a hard nosed game and he’s one of the better short-handed wingers in the league.

      • greatmiamisportsmind - Feb 6, 2014 at 12:03 AM

        Nino may only have 27 points, but the Wild are far from being maxed out next year. Heatley’s $7.5, Rupp’s $1.5, Stoner’s 1.05, Prosser’s 875k, and the buyout of Mark Parrish’s (remember him?) 927k all comes off the books.

        Trust me, Clutterbuck might be a fan favorite, but he will wear out his welcome in the locker room sooner than 2017. Big deal, if the puck is 2 feet away from him, he’ll go 14 feet the other way to check someone. Which in turn causes his teammates have to stick up for him, something that Wild players grew sick of on a nightly basis, Snow gave up on the 5th overall pick for someone who can check someone. I’d take the upside of Niederreiter over what Cal freaking Clutterbuck is.

        Don’t forget Snow also signed Pierre-Marc Bouchard away from the Wild as well. How is that working out for you?

      • greatmiamisportsmind - Feb 6, 2014 at 12:06 AM

        and Niederreiter’s 27 points this season, is more than Clutterbuck had all of last season and this season combined. But hey, Clutterbuck might check someone… whoopie

  12. jpelle82 - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    sadly for the islanders, any gm looking to aquire vanek just has to make a low-ball offer and then just sit back and wait for the phone to ring at 2:45 pm on March 5th. garth has no ground to stand on, he’s got to eventually take whats offered or lose vanek for nothing. there wont be a huge market for him at that price, it will probably be between 2 or 3 teams so it wont turn into a bidding war in my opinion even if garth tries to make it seem that way, these gm’s arent stupid.

    • channelguy - Feb 5, 2014 at 1:05 PM

      This hits the nail on the head and indicates why I think the Isles won’t get anything near the return for Vanek that they seek. Every GM knows that Snow has to trade Vanek and get something back to salvage a fiasco of a deal with Buffalo. But this will drive the price DOWN, not up.

      Besides LA, I don’t see any other obvious candidates out there. Because Vanek will be just a rental, the trade partner will be a team that 1) badly needs scoring and 2) realistically thinks they can win the cup this year. The second leaves out teams like Montreal who could use the scoring, but whose window won’t include this year. And while Vanek can score, he doesn’t do much else to help you. He’s an indifferent checker, and he has spent the last few years in a losing culture. If Snow can get a late 1st round pick from a contender, he will have done well.

  13. nhstateline - Feb 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    the guys to look at from Manchester: Pearson, Vey, Bereube and Forbot.

  14. djshnooks - Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    Why wouldn’t Buffalo take that trade?

    A rebuilding team just turned Vanek into Moulson, a 1st and a 2nd…that 1st is going to be gold…not to mention the 1st they will get back for Moulson…giving them 3 tickets in the Connor Mcdavid sweepstakes.

    Brilliant move.

    Also, LA wants Moulson, not Vanek.

    • realitycheck75 - Feb 6, 2014 at 12:46 AM

      It was a good trade for Buffalo. But, you do realize the first round pick can be deferred by the Islanders to 2015, if it’s a top 10 pick. & right now, they’re sitting at the 5th spot. So odds are, Buffalo won’t be getting that pick this year.

  15. hunterdoerksen - Feb 5, 2014 at 2:31 PM

    Nabokov, a 2nd, and Vanek to Dallas for Lehtonen and a 1st?

    *Just a joke*

  16. crazemastercraze - Feb 5, 2014 at 2:59 PM

    Snow is backed into a corner on this on. Why would any team give home the haul he’s asking for when Vanek is gonna walk come summer anyhow? It’s lose/lose

    • jpelle82 - Feb 5, 2014 at 3:14 PM

      yeah i think it plays out much differently than “projected”. gotta give credit to vanek though, i’m not a big fan of his but he’s put his head down and played his tail off this entire season. he clearly understands the magnitude of this contract season he’s in despite the possibility of spending it with 3 different teams. what he does after the ink is dry in july though…we shall see…especially if he’s nice and comfy at home in minnesota.

  17. vm113 - Feb 5, 2014 at 4:25 PM

    Snow has been the worst GM is the NHL for a while now. When the Isles made this deal i was beyond shocked. Snow’s stupidity is at a all time high. Just dumb, dumb, dumb.

  18. moxdawg4 - Feb 5, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Vanek is going to sign with the Wild this offseason. It’s pretty much a guarantee. The buzz around Saint Paul is that he wants to come home and play.

  19. moxdawg4 - Feb 5, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    (And I get it at that he is from Austria originally, but he developed and lives in Saint Paul)

  20. kgod30 - Feb 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Free agency…..M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A

  21. mjw9326mjw9326 - Feb 6, 2014 at 6:29 AM

    I can’t believe Garth Snow is still the GM there. Is Wang still owning that team? If so, he may be as blind as Terry Pegula was in Buffalo. Even HE finally realized Darcy Regier was guiding the Sabres deeper and deeper into the abyss.
    Hey, if you want a new GM, Darcy is still available(ha!ha!).
    Too bad for Sabres fans, the mess he left behind will take a long time to clean up. I only hope they are awful enough next year to get that kid from Erie, Pa. that is supposed to be incredibly gifted. You know, Connor McDavid?I would love to see him in the Blue and Gold. By then , some of these promising kids would have a couple of years pro experience under their belts and will likely be a lot better.

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