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Isles beat Flyers in shootout; Voracek injures hand

Jan 20, 2014, 4:45 PM EDT

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The Islanders beat the Flyers, 4-3, in a shootout, and Jakub Voracek suffered a left-hand injury after reportedly being slashed by Cal Clutterbuck.

Those are the two main takeaways from Monday afternoon’s game on Long Island (read CSN Philly’s report here).

The win improved the Isles’ record to 20-24-7, which isn’t half bad when you consider they started the season 11-21-7. However, a spot in the playoffs remains unlikely.

As for Voracek, the 24-year-old will apparently be re-evaluated tomorrow before the Flyers host Carolina in Philadelphia. He didn’t speak to reporters following today’s game.

The Flyers led 3-1 before the Isles fought back to tie it in the third. New York outshot Philly 17-3 in the final period.

  1. joey4id - Jan 20, 2014 at 4:53 PM

    Philly fans! Don’t even try to tell us Coburn and/or Grossman are #2 and #3 d men. Grossman just kept his nose on the puck but left Tavares all alone next to the net, which led to goal #1.

    Coburn did the same on goal #3. He left Okposo all alone and he scored.

    You don’t leave a player by himself next to the net. That is d 101.

    • PhillySN - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:13 PM

      No one was ever saying that

      • joey4id - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM


        biasedhomer – Jan 18, 2014 at 6:55 PM
        Grossman may be slow, but he does his job perfectly. As for Coburn, he is a #2 defenseman.

        biasedhomer – Jan 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM
        And that stat you are using is pretty much the equivalent to Wins for a pitcher in baseball.
        Again, you’re defense is pretty much your eye test and arguably the most flawed stat in hockey.
        Coburn isn’t having a great year, but he isn’t horrible either. Based off his career, he is indeed suited for the #2 role on the 1st pairing.
        I never said Grossman is a 1st line pairing defenceman. He is someone you can put mainly against the other teams 3rd lines, and you know what you are getting: hits and blocks. He will push players out of the crease and stand right by your goalie. His defense is very good, but obviously he offers very little on offense.

        jbink2585 – Jan 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM
        JOEY4ID– im the first to admit, that my flyers def is a bunch of 2 and 3s and lacks that true number 1, but majority of the teams in league struggle with that. There are very few, Big Zs, Weber, etc. You lost me anyway and I couldnt take your evaluation very series anyway yes, Coburn has flaws but for you to call him slow, shows me you never watched him play because that is his strength he skates like the wind.

      • laxman1944 - Jan 21, 2014 at 9:14 AM

        “Joey”……..seriously…..Get a freaking LIFE!!

    • biasedhomer - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:51 PM

      Sooo, where did I say Grossman is a #3 defenseman? I said he goes against the other teams 3rd line. And I also said, based off his CAREER, Coburn is a #2 defenseman, BUT he is playing below his career norms this year.

      Thanks for exposing yourself, you clearly have some sort of agenda, but that’s none of my business.

      • joey4id - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:55 PM

        Are you stupid? Or, you just like to fight? Read the whole post moron/troll.

        jbink2585 – Jan 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM

        JOEY4ID– im the first to admit, that my flyers def is a bunch of 2 and 3s and lacks that true number 1, but majority of the teams in league struggle with that. There are very few, Big Zs, Weber, etc. You lost me anyway and I couldnt take your evaluation very series anyway yes, Coburn has flaws but for you to call him slow, shows me you never watched him play because that is his strength he skates like the wind.

    • biasedhomer - Jan 20, 2014 at 6:47 PM

      Well obviously I should have just stopped debating with you when I realized you’re go-to stat is +/-.

      Oh by the way, copying and pasting quotes and responding with “Enjoy” sure does provide context right?

      • joey4id - Jan 20, 2014 at 6:54 PM

        Yeah! Right! Did you see the game today vs NYI. Both Grossman and Coburn blew their coverage on goals 1 and 3 respectively. Didn’t need the plus or minus stat to see they screwed up. Did you?

      • joey4id - Jan 20, 2014 at 6:59 PM

        Actually! Did you watch the video included in this article?

      • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 10:25 PM

        Just making yourself look assanine we aren’t debating what team is better Pens or Flyers your calling out flyers def not one flyer fan is in here saying that flyers are better than Pens. You want to call our players trash bc they had a tough game which they happen, Players are judged over a season not a game, any person that knows the game knows that

    • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 9:18 PM

      @JOEY4id– You are so clueless pal 2 of 3 Isles goals were scored on powerplay so I know you are new to hockey, but that mean Islanders have one more guy on the ice then the flyers. I will absolutely stand by my statement which is this Kimmo with his age is prb a 3
      Mez is a 4
      Grossman is solid 3, but could def be on 1st pair with an elite dman
      Coburn is a 2.5(Def not slow not sure what tape you watch.)
      Streit prb between 2 and 3 also solid Off def scares me lean more toward 3
      Schenn if you look up trainwreck you see his picture prb between a 4-5 dman, but def serviceable for last pairing at around12-14 mins /game

      • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 9:23 PM

        @joey4id keep playing playstation 3 and doing your evaluations same guy that called Coburn slow, you are a typical flyer hater that waits to pounce on every little mistake.

      • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 9:31 PM

        @JOEY4id So if you could all do us a favor and stop wasting our time with your trash, wed really appreciate, just stay on your teams articles.

      • joey4id - Jan 20, 2014 at 10:18 PM

        There is such a thing as the PK. This means you play with one less player, and you don’t make stupid mistakes, otherwise you increase the chances of being scored against, which clearly happened. Two stupid mistakes, 2 goals.

      • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 10:20 PM

        The 3rd goal went of Isle players skate bad bounces happen doesn’t effect a players quality, first goal as well, sid the kid and Malkin were -3 today also in your case they are bad as well, reason players judged over season not each game bc bad games happen Coburn avg over 22 mins / game

      • joey4id - Jan 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM

        Pens PK% 87.9, second rate team in PA 84.1.

      • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 10:29 PM

        SEE ABOVE. I posted under wrong post about PK. I do think its funny your team plays so well, and your busy in here talking about how bad your rivals def is, we are always on your mind

    • philafly - Jan 21, 2014 at 9:21 AM

      Wow. When did you turn into a d*ck Joey? There wasn’t even a comment on this article before you started calling out Flyers fans. Worry about your team, let us worry about ours.

      You know how you can spot a Pens troll? They don’t post on Pens articles. The only logical explanation is that they don’t actually know anything about hockey, so when the time comes to comment about the performance of their own team, they have nothing to contribute. However, trolls are great at showing up on articles about other teams and offering their senseless drivel.

      Thumb it down all you want, but you know it’s true.

      • joey4id - Jan 21, 2014 at 9:51 AM

        Relax! I’m not a Pens fan, nor a fan of any other team. I am a hockey fan first and foremost. The Flyers are one of the teams I watch the most, along with others. When I watch a game it is with complete objectivity and be unbiased. I don’t watch a game like you fanatics do. If I think a team is playing poorly I’ll say that. If I think a player is playing poorly I’ll say that. If I think the Flyers are too slow and too weak on d, then I’ll say that too. Coburn and Grossman are not top quality d men, and they make too many mistakes. And for that reason the Flyers cannot be SC contenders.

        BTW, I have criticized the Pens, and more specifically, Letang for his poor d play. Malkin and Crosby for their poor play vs the B’s last year in the playoffs. Fleury for choking in the playoffs, and Bylsma inability to make tactical and strategic adjustments during the course of the game especially during the playoffs.

      • philafly - Jan 21, 2014 at 10:11 AM

        I am totally relaxed. My objection to your first post is that you immediately start with “Philly fans! Don’t even try to tell us….” Critique the Flyers play all you want. If it is a legitimate criticism, most rational Flyers fans will not take exception. When you fire off immediately at the fans of a team, any team, and their views of their team, you can expect backlash.

        Also, I know you say you are “a fan of hockey first” but I find that hard to believe. I don’t know one fan of any sport that doesn’t first affiliate himself or herself as a fan of a particular team. I love the game of hockey and have for as long as I can remember, but I am a Flyers fan first and foremost. I can appreciate a great game between other teams, but I will not pretend I am as into a Flames v. Canucks game as I am a Flyers game versus anyone.

        Lastly, don’t lump me in as a “fanatic.” I have reasonable expectations for this Flyers team as currently constructed. No one in Philly is yelling from the rooftops that the Flyers are cup contenders. Not right now. Not with this particular team. But that doesn’t fit the troll narrative so it is ignored.

      • joey4id - Jan 21, 2014 at 10:32 AM

        In my world many of my friends and acquaintances are team neutral. I watch as many games as I can between some of the top teams. I have not watched the Panthers, Sabres, Devils etc… I spend a lot of time watching the top 6 to 8 teams. All teams have their weaknesses, and some have fewer than others. I watch games and give my feedback, and unfortunately every game I’ve seen the Flyers play I’ve seen mistakes made mostly by Grossman and Coburn on d. Many times their mistakes ended up giving the other team a scoring chance, and some times it turns out to be a goal.

        Watch St. Louis, SJS, Hawks, Boston, Van, Ducks… These team’s d make way fewer mistakes than the Flyers d. Coburn and Grossman couldn’t break the top 6 d of any of these teams.

      • joey4id - Jan 21, 2014 at 10:42 AM

        BTW, hockey is a game of inches. You make mistake, give the oponent the slightest of opening, and they’ll burn you. The teams who make the fewest mistakes have a greater chance of winning. In the long run, and these are the teams that end up making it to the SC final.

  2. phillyphanatic77 - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:06 PM

    This game was essentially a mirror image of Saturday’s… the Flyers owned the first two periods then were owned in the 3rd. Mason played well Saturday, Emery on Monday but neither got the proper results. Penalties and poor defense continue to be this franchise’s achilles heel. Still 3 out of 4 possible points against a divisional opponent in a weekend could be worse.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:41 PM

      Meant “mirror image” as in Isles dominated first two periods Saturday, the Flyers monday, then third period results led to one win for each club.

  3. barrywhererufrom - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    This islander’s fan thought the game was over, when they were down to start the third. Flyers let them back in the game and the isles took advantage. Flyers will get it straightened out..and if they don’t head’s will roll

  4. multiplemiggs - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Jason Brough….is this guy for real??? “A playoff spot remains unlikely” THEY’RE 5 POINTS OUT! Do they just let anyone be a “writer” these days?? Unbelievable. So biased against this team God forbid someone else wins for a change.

    • Jason Brough - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:42 PM

      2.7 percent chance of making the playoffs, according to this.
      I would say that qualifies as unlikely. But hey, if you wanna put some money on it, let’s talk.

      • multiplemiggs - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:45 PM

        lol 3 wins out that math doesnt make sense

      • Jason Brough - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:49 PM

        I try not to debate too much with guys who use “lol,” but have you heard of a thing called “games in hand”? Look at the standings. See how Columbus has played three fewer games than the Islanders? Those are called games in hand.
        Also, unlikely does not mean impossible. It means probably not. If they make the playoffs, fantastic, what a great story.

    • jl9830 - Jan 20, 2014 at 9:52 PM

      I’m an Islanders fan, so you can’t accuse me of being unbiased…they are 5 points out, but the team 5 points ahead of us has played 3 less games (Columbus); Columbus has 52 pts in 48 games this year, so that’s a little more than a point a game. Even giving them a point in each of those 3 games, they’d be 8 points ahead of us. Now factor in all the three-point games that get played, and yeah, unlikely is being nice. The Islanders would need to go on a hot stretch that lasts the rest of the season, while also having teams in front of them struggle a little. It’s not impossible, but it’s very, very unlikely that the Isles will make the playoffs this year.

  5. sjsharks66 - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    “This game was essentially a mirror image of Saturday’s… the Flyers owned the first two periods” while being out shot 16-9 in the second period?

    The way the coaches use the Flyers team drives me crazy. They REFUSE to see the problem in defense. Instead, start Emery because he stopped TWO shots on Saturday. So sign Mason, then pull him and bench him the next two games?? Makes perfect sense.

    • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 9:57 PM

      Emery started bc its a back to back situation and he decided to give Mason the start vs Canes at Home Tuesday night.

  6. sjsharks66 - Jan 20, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Miggs is going to get the smack down from Jason Brough.

    • theageofquarrel - Jan 20, 2014 at 6:33 PM

      Looks like it already happened

  7. billneftleberg - Jan 20, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Jason Brough, you take him Seriously?


    the guy who picked the Flyers to win the cup last year?

    That Jason Brough??

    • Jason Brough - Jan 20, 2014 at 7:41 PM

      Yeah, I didn’t do that.

  8. crazemastercraze - Jan 20, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    Joey4id: don’t even bother trying to talk sense to the Philly live in a bubble faithful. In their minds, they’ve already won the Stanley Cup this year….with the team they currently have!!!

    • wham921 - Jan 20, 2014 at 8:52 PM

      Not really. This team is good, but it is no cup winning team. Don’t know who would say that.

    • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 10:01 PM

      @CRAZE Again im not quite sure you are in touch with the fan base at all, not many envision this team as Stanley Cup contending, we simply were saying hes way off base on hos defensive evaluation. We don’t live in bubble at all we are well aware of our shortcomings and we are an Elite dman and proven scorer away from being into contention, but if a person like @Joey4id is going to make an evaluation at least know the team and watch the games, he called Coburn slow, and that one thing he can do is skate.

      • joey4id - Jan 21, 2014 at 8:39 AM

        Yes! He can skate, but only in a straight line. He’s slow on the pivot and slow when he’s trying to make a play with the puck. Check out the bonehead play he made on the Islanders first goal from Saturday’s game. That one play says it all about him and Grossman. Unless! Did I see that on the play station? Here’s the link to my playstation:

  9. bcisleman - Jan 20, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    Jason, Isles are 5 points out of a playoff spot with 31 games (62 possible points left). Making up five points may not be a slam dunk, but to say it is unlikely given the way the Isles have been playing for a while now seems unreasonable.

    • jbink2585 - Jan 20, 2014 at 10:04 PM

      Def not impossible, but looking at your schedule, id say labeling it unlikely is a fair assesment

      • bcisleman - Jan 21, 2014 at 11:26 PM

        Who do the Isles play that is tougher to beat than the Hawks and Bs who they beat back to back a few weeks ago? Actually from February on, they have a cream puff schedule and they’ll be getting back Lubo and Hammer their two best Ds. If they keep gaining points at the current level through the upcoming 5 games, I like their chances.

    • Jason Brough - Jan 21, 2014 at 12:55 AM

      When the hell did unlikely turn into impossible? A 40 percent chance is still unlikely. A 49 percent chance is still unlikely! Do you think it’s higher than that?
      You realize Columbus is playing pretty damn well too, right?
      These crazy pills I’m taking are amazing!

      • jbink2585 - Jan 21, 2014 at 1:01 AM

        Islanders are at 2.7%

      • bcisleman - Jan 21, 2014 at 11:35 PM

        Unlikely sounds dismissive. If they are 5 points out at the deadline, thats when you start thinking unlikely and maybe Vanek gets traded. As I noted above, Isles’ sched gets fairly soft after the last NYR game on 1/31 and they will be getting Lubo and Hammer back. Seems like they were more than 5 out at this time last year.

  10. President Charles Logan - Jan 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM

    Isles are still in it , they use the “ole little choo choo that could” mentality and they could squeeze in the 8th spot.

    I smell a deal brewing for the Flyers … which will obviously be a D-man , and they have some depth to sell in return.

  11. kastout11 - Jan 21, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    There is a lot of hate and a few people in this room that need to get a life. Voracek has been playing really well since the first month of the season, so if he is out any period of time, it will hurt. Along with Giroux and Simmons, he is the one guy that the Flyers could not afford to have injured. I guess the other guys need to pick up the slack if he is out.

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