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No hearing scheduled for Muzzin after Sobotka headshot

Jan 17, 2014, 12:03 PM EDT

Los Angeles defenseman Jake Muzzin doesn’t have a disciplinary hearing scheduled for his hit to the head of St. Louis’ Vladimir Sobotka on Thursday night, an NHL spokesman confirmed.

Here’s the hit in question. Muzzin was given a two-minute roughing minor on the play:

Sobotka and Muzzin re-engaged with each other later late in the contest, and both were dinged with roughing minors with six seconds left. Blues forward Chris Stewart was given a misconduct and slashing minor for going after Muzzin in the fracas.

While the hit didn’t injure Sobotka and he missed no time, several scribes thought the hit could warrant a look from the NHL’s Department of Player Safety.

Worth noting the Kings don’t play again until Saturday versus Detroit, so the Department of Player Safety could still schedule a hearing for Muzzin.

  1. bcsteele - Jan 17, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    What a joke. If that doesn’t have elements for a clear, intent, hit to the head…I don’t know what is. Just because Sobotka is a beast and didn’t go down, or get injured on the play, doesn’t mean you let that slide.

    He was clearing launching/leaving his feet towards the head of Sobotka and the head was the principle point of contact. Sobotka did nothing in the last second to put himself in that circumstance either. I will never understand the department of player safety.

    • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 12:32 PM

      you say you don’t understand them, but you said it in your comment why he didn’t get a suspension. if a player doesn’t get hurt, they apply an unspoken “no harm, no foul” policy. I don’t agree with them on it (or this non-suspension, looks even worse in slow motion), just sayin’.

      hey, at least they’re pretty consistent with that. also explains how Hartnell got out of his hit on Hedman last week without sitting a game or two. was really surprised nothing came from that one.

      • bcsteele - Jan 17, 2014 at 12:52 PM

        If you take that approach then how to do head off injuries as a result of these actions? Un-spoken rule or no, they need to discourage these actions. Just cause someone wasn’t hurt on this play, doesn’t mean you don’t do something to motivate them to do it differently the next time.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM

        yep… but that’s how they do it. just trying to help you understand why they didn’t look at this hit.

      • csbeltran1996 - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:27 PM

        The problem with the “no harm, no foul” policy is that it allows the players to get away with some reckless hits. Muzzin can do the same thing in his next game and severely injure someone else. If he was suspended earlier (like for this hit) regardless of the non-injury, he would think twice before targeting the head.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:37 PM

        I think everybody understands that except the DoPS.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 2:06 PM

        @csbeltran1996, Just like a typical high stick or a trip. Not everything that’s a penalty that could injure someone is up for review. Intent comes into it, and there’s no indication of intent, no matter how much biased fans want to read intent into it.

    • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM

      Because you were inside his head and from there, you detected his full intent, which wasn’t to lay a body check, right?

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 2:09 PM

        don’t go down that road, there will never be an “intentional” ruling ever again. gotta take the hits in context, but I don’t think he meant to come up that high in this particular case. it was just incredibly stupid.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 2:33 PM

        You took us down that road. It was a penalty. A stupid penalty. THAT is ALL.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 2:45 PM

        you’re talking to the wrong person.

        it’s just dumb to use “you don’t know what he’s thinking.” if that applies once, it applies every time. nobody will ever get the suspensions they deserve. that’s all.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM

        Look, whiner. It’s a HOCKEY HIT. There’s NOT INDICATION of intent there, unlike when someone pops onto the ice specifically to take someone out, unlike a situation where a player goes all the way across the ice and circles around to catch someone under the chin, unlike a situation where someone takes a stick with two hands and swings it at someone’s head.

        Capice, idiot?

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:40 PM

        but seriously, you’re replying to the wrong guy. you’re talking to bcsteele. I honestly didn’t even read the rest of your comment after “whiner,” because I can’t trust people’s opinions that have 0 reading comprehension.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:45 PM

        Pro tip: There isn’t a “reply” button behind everyone’s post, which means you get to figure things like that out for yourself.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM

        you were having a back and forth conversation with me, but replying to what bcsteele said. how did I “take us down that road?” nope, bcsteele. show me where I was whining. nope, bcsteele (also not whining though).

        capisce (the correct spelling), idiot?

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:53 PM

        i said SPECIFICALLY “but I don’t think he meant to come up that high in this particular case.” you replied with “Look, whiner. It’s a HOCKEY HIT. There’s NOT INDICATION of intent there.”

        admit it, you barely even know how to read.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:06 PM

        You’re the one who said *I* was responding to the wrong person, when YOU responded to ME, and I replied back. I looked capice up before I used it. It’s in a foreign language. It was in the google cache WITHOUT any indication that it had MULTIPLE spellings. SUE ME.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM

        Besides, you’re obviously one of those grammar nazis who goes after typos. You’re the idiot who responds to people’s posts and tells them THEY are responding to someone else.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM

        ok then, back to the issue. explain to me this: how will we ever have another legit suspension based on intent to injure if the defense “how do you know what I was thinking?” is able to be used?

        that’s the road you shouldn’t have gone down, as it’s a HORRIBLE argument, and the one I thought you’d reply to. instead, you’re still preaching about how it shouldn’t be a suspension to a guy who thinks it shouldn’t be a suspension.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:40 PM

        Context.

        When Muzzin is going for the hit, the puck is in play, and he approaches it like any other hit. He puts his forearm against his chest and goes forward with the hit. As covered, he leaves his feat and hits him high, catching his chin. There’s no reason to expect that it’s anything other than it is. It’s a charge (IMO–the called roughing.)

        Now, look at what happened in response. Tarasenko immediately comes at Muzzin from behind and jumps him, going for the head, AFTER the play. What do think the difference in intent was. Now, I’m not saying Tarasenko had anything extra coming to him. I’m saying there are times when the intent is obvious and there are times when it isn’t.

        As indicated, I expected him to get a call from DPS, but not a suspension. They didn’t even bother to call him, so I was pretty close.

        What do I agree with you on? I agree that the league treats injuries far more seriously than conduct that could result in injuries. However, that rat hole is REALLY deep. if they’re going to do that, they’re calling Terasenko, and about half the players on the ice. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and I doubt anyone thinks it’s in the right place.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 5:02 PM

        I find it remarkable that you use the word context here….. as that’s what I said TO YOU TO BEGIN WITH. “gotta take the hits in context, but I don’t think he meant to come up that high in this particular case.”

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 5:36 PM

        Not really. You did use the word, but only after “don’t go down that road, there will never be an “intentional” ruling ever again.” THAT is what I responded to.

    • pr0jecktpat - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:44 PM

      It looks as if Muzzin thought Sobotka as going to check him, so he braced himself for the hit by putting his arms up. Clearly Sobotka was just trying to get the puck past him then deke around Muzzin, but Sobotka’s head was down until a split second before the contact. It could be argued that both are at fault here, due to Muzzin leaving his feet and getting his arms high, and Sobotka for not being aware of his surroundings.

    • kingj99 - Jan 18, 2014 at 2:15 AM

      Anyone happen to notice the high stick to the side of the face that Berglund lands on Doughty at the end of the play??? I think the league will look at how the Blues conducted themselves after that hit and the rest of the game and call this one even. But I do think that Muzzin’s hit is punishment worthy based on the league’s protocol. He’s not a dirty player, but a bad check/hit is a bad check/hit regardless of intent. He did lunge upward and hit the head and even extend his forearm through the hit. League don’t like that.

      The Blues want to be the Kings so bad that it’s obvious. The Kings have had their number in recent years and playoffs. Everything they’ve done is based on competing with a team like the Kings. If they get Ryan Miller then watch out. That might be the piece. Hitchcock is a helluva coach. Once they really learn to play smart like the Kings usually do in crunch time, they will be very very hard to stop.

  2. elvispocomo - Jan 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    Bad hit, just careless more than anything I think. Elbow gets up early and he’s reckless in leaving his feet at the same time. Even though there wasn’t a lot in the result, I’d look at suspending this if I was Shanahan.

  3. hrudey - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    As much as I loved him scoring the opening goal, this is what I remember from his game last night. I’d say a game or two suspension is definitely warranted.

  4. wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    I’m actually a little surprised, given all the whaling and gnashing of teeth. Looked like a penalty to me–nothing more and nothing less.

    • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM

      Okay, maybe a call and possibly a fine…definitely not a suspension.

  5. sjsharks66 - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    Another King getting away with a cheap and dirty hit. What a shock!

    • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 1:59 PM

      Another bent loser whose team has been owned by the Kings, whining.

      • jdubs21 - Jan 17, 2014 at 2:39 PM

        Another Kings defender trying to say that his team is clean, and then insults everyone when they point out the constant cheap shots the Kings take

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 2:50 PM

        Except when you whine about it, the league disagrees with you. I’m sorry the facts suck for you, loser!

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:45 PM

        this moron is just attacking EVERYBODY on here. I didn’t even disagree with him and he went after me and called me a whiner and an idiot. I’m a f’ing Flyers fan wtfkwp, I couldn’t give two sh**s about whether your team is dirty or not. there’s no way wtfkwp is older than, say, 15.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:48 PM

        Only the idiots, idiot.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:50 PM

        You continue to try to leverage this idiocy about how I’m picking on you. YOU responded to ME after I responded to someone else. I cannot help that there isn’t a “reply” button after every single post. Use your BRAIN.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM

        so why would you apply his thoughts to me? I was talking about an entirely different thing. you thought I was him, called me an idiot, then realized YOU, in fact, were the idiot… now you’re sticking to your guns because well…. you’re the idiot.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:09 PM

        and lol at you giving yourself thumbs up. does that make you feel better about being a f’ing loser?

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:13 PM

        Paranoid nutjob!

  6. sjsharks66 - Jan 17, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    “A stupid penalty” until someone forearm shivers browns, kopitars, doughty or any other star kings players face. THEN it will be a dirty hit worth a suspension.

    Should Sestito have gotten some games off for his fight against Nolan? Yeah, probably a couple. Should there have been a hearing for the slew foot on Doughty, absolutely!

    Just like there should be a hearing for this.

  7. sjsharks66 - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:01 PM

    People like this kings fan are the reason no one takes Kings hockey or their fans seriously. Just own up to it and stop acting like some troll. He hit him in the head and it is against the rules. It also calls for discipline. He got away with it but do not pretend like it did not happen or that it was just a “hockey hit” because Kings players do not just do “hockey hits”.

    • pirovash88 - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:13 PM

      No one takes Kings hockey seriously? Really.. Again, how many Cups do you guys have? Let me remind you which of the California teams doesn’t have a Cup and wasn’t invited to the Stadiums Series.. Haha.

    • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM

      People like you whiners is why no one takes the Sharts seriously. it was high. He left his feet. It was charging, or roughing (which was called.) That’s what it was. It wasn’t anything else. Ask yourself why no Kings fan whined about the retaliation, which was ALSO high, and from behind, and Tarasenko ALSO left his feet…It’s because it was just a penalty. That’s all.

    • bigoldorcafromvan - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:29 PM

      hey 66 you shouldn.t be talking too loud about cheap shots from other teams. I have seen a fair share of Shark Cheap Shots also.

  8. sjsharks66 - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Let me remind you the LA area never spoke about the Kings until they won the cup. Now all you see is Kings merchandise and billboards.

    Im not saying the fans that have been around for years are not taken seriously. Im saying that a majority of the Kings fans I have spoken to on PHT and spoken to at games are idiots. Either everyone is jealous of the kings, or the Kings are the cleanest team in the league. It’s all the same trash from everyone of them.

    Yeah, the Sharks do not have a cup. It sucks, but that does not matter. People don’t hate the Kings because they have a cup. They hate them because they are dirty and their “life time fans” give them a bad name.

    As for the stadium serious. Whats the weather for that day? Almost 80? Should be fun to watch.

    • wannabebluesplayer - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM

      I can’t believe I’m going to agree with a Sharks fan, but I do. This is disgraceful that there isn’t a further hearing on this or review from Shanaban. It was an illegal check that was only blown for 2 minutes because Sobotka didn’t dive down to the ice (like Richards did earlier) and cry. If Sobotka was D-Bag Brown, Sid, or another “Star” this would have been an instant suspension. It’s pathetic. As for what you’re going to say about winning a cup, congratulations, the Kings won the Cup. You want to know why the Kings won the cup, it wasn’t for their “hard” hockey game play. It wasn’t because Carter and Richards came in to save a terrible offense led by the “great” captain D-bag Brown. It’s 1 name, JONATHAN QUICK, no Quick, no Cup, PERIOD. Be thankful you have one of the top 3 goalies in the NHL. The Kings push the limits of what they can get away with all the time, obviously led by their stellar Captain. I am not one of those fans that would love to have Brown on my team either, I don’t want him. We have a Captain who isn’t afraid to stand up to someone after laying a punishing hit, or making a mistake. He won’t skate away and plead innocence. Take off the biased glasses for once.

      PS. In that game, if you’re going to auto call a high sticking, then when someone gets elbowed in the head and leaves their feet to do it, then it should be 5 minute major. The no harm no foul rule is getting old, fast. Pathetic league.

      • 22lakings22 - Jan 17, 2014 at 7:02 PM

        I’ve never liked the no harm, no foul rule. This hit was high & potentially dangerous. Watching Sobotka’s head twist like wasn’t fun for this Kings fan.

    • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM

      You’re talking snit about one who around since before your team existed, so stuff your sanctimonious idiocy.

    • pirovash88 - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:50 PM

      The Sharks not having a Cup doesn’t matter? Umm.. pretty sure that matter, a lot actually. I find it funny that you call the Kings a dirty team, when 1 of your players has been suspended for more games than our entire roster and yes i’m talking about Torres. I’m not saying Muzzin didn’t deserve a suspension because he did and some how managed to luck out of this one, but to say the whole team is dirty is just plain ignorant.

      Not sure what a Stadiums Serious is, but the Stadium “Series” will be great. It’s in support of California hockey and to show that there is a Hockey market in this State and if you can’t see that then you’re even more ignorant than i had originally thought. Again, don’t be bitter because your team wasn’t invited.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM

        Further, they went after Torres AFTER he’d been suspended multiple times.

    • 22lakings22 - Jan 17, 2014 at 6:46 PM

      Another ignorant comment from sjsharks66:

      1) The Kings have sold out every game since December 2011. They sold out games even when they didn’t make the playoffs. To say that LA never spoke about the Kings before the Cup win is incorrect.

      2) NHL is a business, so yeah they’re going to advertise for the 2012 Stanley Cup winners (maybe San Jose will be lucky enough to experience that one day)

      3) The 5 Kings fans you’ve “spoken to” on PHT is nowhere indicative of all Kings fans. We are not all idiots. Just bc someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make them an idiot.

      4) I believe Muzz’s hit was high & he should have gotten a fine or call. If Hanzal can get a fine for 3 cross checks, then yeah, the hit to the head should be reviewed.

      5) The Stadium Series will be fun to watch. Skating on the ice at Chavez Ravine the next day will be even better (which I get to do, thanks to the Kings).

      6) Finally….winning the Cup doesn’t matter? Wow. Just wow.

      Your baseless comments don’t help your cause.

    • rocoop - Jan 17, 2014 at 6:48 PM

      You are the biggest “Know nothing” troll on PHT…Why do you even give a rats ass about the KINGS and their fans?? You spend way too much time worried about LA KINGS topics..Your a Shark fan..Nobody cares about you..

  9. wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:41 PM

    “It’s not fair! The league is conspiring with the Kings. It’s obvious, because they win and we lose, and they never call penalties on the Kings. (sniffle)”

  10. brockohol - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    To those that say that there is no suspension because there was no injury…the last time Sobotka took a head shot he didnt go down either and finished the game. Clarkson then got a suspension. However, Sobotka later was diagnosed with an “upper body” injury (concussion) and missed a few weeks but I dont know if that was known when the suspension was given or not.

    Here is the thing with this hit…(Im a Blues fan) it was a high speed play along the boards and it appeared that Sobotka may have been cutting towards the middle as Muzzin was stepping up to make a big hit. Regardless of what Sobotka did, the hit violated the new head shot rule so Im surprised that there is no suspension/fine/hearing. However…I would like to see an NHL where a hit like this is worked out on the ice in that Stewart or Reaves or whoever can grab Muzzin and beat the piss out of him without fearing some ridiculous misconduct or suspension themselves. But thats just me…someone who likes “old style hockey.”

  11. sjsharks66 - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:44 PM

    To quote this great Kings fan “People like you whiners is why no one takes the Sharts seriously. it was high. He left his feet. It was charging,”

    So muzzins hit was high, he left his feet and was charging. At the same time, it was a clean hit. MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW! Thanks for clearing it up and just proving my previous post correct about how you make real kings fans look bad.

    • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:47 PM

      Show me where I said it was a clean hit. I came into this stupid whine-fest saying it was a penalty, but that’s it. What kind of an idiot are you?

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:57 PM

        “maybe a call” implies you think this was somehow a clean hit. you continue to show your lack of brain.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:59 PM

        No, that’s not what it means. See where I start out by saying a penalty, then indicate that I thought maybe he’d get a call (as in PHONE call.)

        wtfkwp – Jan 17, 2014 at 1:54 PM
        I’m actually a little surprised, given all the whaling and gnashing of teeth. Looked like a penalty to me–nothing more and nothing less.

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        wtfkwp – Jan 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM
        Okay, maybe a call and possibly a fine…definitely not a suspension.

    • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:48 PM

      for once, I agree with you. this guy is clearly either a child, or he’s drunk.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:53 PM

        You’re clearly an idiot. See below.

  12. brockohol - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    Liked seeing Vlady jump in there though!

  13. wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    ibieiniid – Jan 17, 2014 at 2:09 PM (in response to my post)
    don’t go down that road, there will never be an “intentional” ruling ever again. gotta take the hits in context, but I don’t think he meant to come up that high in this particular case. it was just incredibly stupid.

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    wtfkwp – Jan 17, 2014 at 2:33 PM
    You took us down that road. It was a penalty. A stupid penalty. THAT is ALL.

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    ibieiniid – Jan 17, 2014 at 2:45 PM
    you’re talking to the wrong person.

    UMMM…WRONG…SO STOP CLAIMING IT.

    • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM

      how did you read through me saying there’s no intent TWICE…. yet still think I’m arguing against you. you’re a fu**ing moron dude. learn words.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:57 PM

        I responded TO YOU, A**hole.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 3:59 PM

        you’re not even making points anymore. you’re pretty confused, i believe.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:00 PM

        ibieiniid – Jan 17, 2014 at 2:45 PM
        you’re talking to the wrong person.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:01 PM

        And What TF do you mean by “making points?” I’m not here to make points. I’m here to tell you losers that you’re wrong, and the league and I are right.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM

        once again, you’re arguing about whether this hit should be a suspension or not…… to a person that hasn’t even taken a stand about whether it should be a suspension or not. how are you not grasping this?

        why do I always argue with people that never even learned to read?

      • wannabebluesplayer - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:05 PM

        Pretty sure by the rules, the league got this wrong, but because there wasn’t an injury, that’s why there is no suspension, which is bush league, but that’s the way it operates. So, no wtfkwp, you’re not right and neither is the league. Leaving something alone, or making a bad judgement, doesn’t mean it’s right.

        PS. I can claim the Kings are dirty as they have more suspensions than the entire Blues team. Brown has more than our captain alone.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:05 PM

        go back and look at your first reply to me. you said I took us down some road. I hadn’t even said anything to you, and you hadn’t said anything to me. you’ve been replying to the wrong person the entire time, dipsh**.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:09 PM

        Give it up. YOU first replied to ME, and I responded. YOU are wrong, so deal with it.

      • ibieiniid - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM

        aaaaaand you responded to me as bcsteele, because you thought I was him….. which is what i’ve been saying the entire time….. fu**ing moron.

      • wtfkwp - Jan 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM

        Don’t tell me what I thought. Mind reading is what STARTED this.

  14. anthj99 - Jan 17, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    John Scott would’ve gotten 15 games for that hit. Shanahan is a damn joke and you can be sure Colin Campbell is still applying the same old bias and favoritism as before with Shanny just being the well paid scapegoat. What a joke the entire disciplinary system is. The league has become 75% honest competition and 25% influence and manipulation by the league, the officials, and the owners (+/- 25 percentage points for rounding error).

  15. shortsxit34 - Jan 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    You guys are both whiners. Jesus, “You said this,” “But you said that.” It’s a message board.

    It’s sad because I can see both of you sitting in your chairs, truly furious at each other and turning red like you’re going to fight, when in reality you’re sitting in a chair, at a desk, with a computer, and pecking the keys of your keyboard extra hard.

    Lucky for the rest of us, we’re at home safe when you guys use all caps to “scream” at each other.”

  16. Professor Fate - Jan 17, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    It was a stupid move by Muzzin and he got penalized for it. Could have ended up with a suspension and didn’t. Move on.

    What I’m wondering about is why nothing was called on the Blues player who swings his stick at a King playing the puck in the corner as the Muzzin hit is ending. Check out the video. A stick shot right in the chops, but the refs are busy elsewhere.

    Oh, and the pissing match above that soaks up virtually the whole page reminded me of junior high school. A lot. Now that all of you are soaked y’all can put your wienies away. Disappointed I didn’t learn any new words in all that posturing.

  17. wtfkwp - Jan 18, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    It’s a good thing you to idiots didn’t join in, right?

  18. cuzco55 - Jan 21, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    yet Myers, who is 6’8″, got 3 games for his hit on Zubrus? Seems legit….

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