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Video: Was Matt Moulson’s goal actually a goal?

Jan 15, 2014, 9:20 PM EDT

While he’s been struggling to score a bit lately, it seems that Matt Moulson has silenced some of the critics who believed he couldn’t produce without John Tavares in Buffalo. One place he’s always seemed to be able to find the net is at Toronto’s Air Canada Centre, where he scored for the 10th time in 11 games at that locale:

Moulson’s 15th goal was so quick that some wonder if it was a goal at all. The Globe & Mail’s James Mirtle reports that the Maple Leafs’ brain trust were pouring over replays of the tally.

An overhead replay during NBCSN’s intermission only brought that goal into more question, although from other angles, it seemed like the puck moved the twine:

Yet another segment during tonight’s NBCSN telecast gave pretty compelling evidence that it was a goal, however, so justice seems like it was served. Maybe.

However you feel about it, the goal counted, and was part of a flurry of activity as the two teams traded four goals in about eight minutes of time.

  1. thomasvanek - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:38 PM

    Did it go in?

    • scottybcboy - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:49 PM

      Haha…but seriously, I couldn’t tell either. Would love an overhead shot, slowed down of course.
      What a shot!

      • scottybcboy - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:06 PM

        Wow, even the overhead wasn’t convincing…. I say, no goal!

    • flyerspsu - Jan 16, 2014 at 12:22 AM

      yes it went in

    • c9castine - Jan 16, 2014 at 4:42 PM

      its obviously a goal when from the first angle you see the netting pop up. not to be an ass but i thought it was obvious right away from that observation alone.

  2. sjsharks66 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    Seriously? You can see the back of the net lift up in plain sight at 35 seconds.
    I was ready to be amazed but seeing it on their first replay was a huge let down.

    • sjsharks66 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:49 PM

      Just saw another angle on NBCSN and clearly not a goal.. the net still moves though. very interesting…

    • withseidelinn - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:59 PM

      Pretty ridiculous snipe if you ask me..

  3. Wineshard - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    And how does the grassy knoll play into this exactly?

  4. btlpper68 - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    For you’re old school fellas that called sniping cheddar hard

    • cofran2004 - Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 AM

      for you are old school fellas that called sniping cheddar hard…?

      Uh…. what?

  5. spezzdispenser - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    sick goal!

  6. shortsxit34 - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM

    From all the angles they’ve shown on the Buffalo feed, the puck didn’t fully cross. The Buffalo commentators didn’t think so, either.

    The puck hits the right post, deflects off the cross bar, and out. When the puck hits the crossbar, it’s on edge (half in/half still on the line, but never fully crosses), then the puck falls down in the crease.

    They couldn’t find any frames that showed the puck fully across, including the overhead.

    • flyerspsu - Jan 16, 2014 at 12:21 AM

      the puck goes in top left and rings around the back bar and comes out on the right side

      • shortsxit34 - Jan 16, 2014 at 2:58 AM

        That’s one thing that both sides agree didn’t happen.

      • c9castine - Jan 16, 2014 at 4:45 PM

        yeah it went in but it didn’t do that.

  7. pmonte3122 - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:03 PM

    I saw net move

    • jpelle82 - Jan 16, 2014 at 9:12 AM

      pretty significant net bulge. those tighter nets dont move if it just hits iron. nhl network showed it pretty well this morning from the shooter’s perspective, you can clearly see the net lift about 2-3 inches up in the top right corner.

  8. packerswin96 - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:08 PM

    I am not sure what the debate is here?, it clearly hits the post then the mesh in the top corner. Absolutely a goal! There were 2 questionable goals last night in Montreal, 1 for each team that went different ways, why were these 2 goals not questioned?

    • dschrode2013 - Jan 16, 2014 at 1:23 AM

      I agree with you and sjsharks66.
      In the top video, at the 35 second mark, something goes into the top right corner of the goal and lifts twine.
      On the second video, the overhead is misleading. Although from above it does not appear the puck crosses the red goal line on the ice, it doesn’t have to cross that line from this view for it to be a goal. There is clearly top net under the crossbar, in front of that goal line, for the puck to enter and rocket back out again. And as I have heard so many commentators mention, the twine is a lot tighter this year, making these types of mysterious looking shots more common.

  9. nothanksimdriving123 - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM

    For me, what doesn’t win any points is how with the second replay, which shows the overhead view, we get a 30 second ad for a 16 second video. When I’m elected benevolent dictator, that will be a crime punishable by being forced to listen to Pierre McGuire shouting the entire life stories of every player in the NHL.

    • anthj99 - Jan 16, 2014 at 12:22 AM

      As soon as I clicked to watch it and saw that ad I yelled wtf and immediately clicked off the page in protest. Screw that shiz.

      • mehetmet - Jan 16, 2014 at 7:31 AM

        then came back to tell us about it?(doubt it) But even if, remember on a website, page hits generates revenue…

      • anthj99 - Jan 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM

        Yeah, ya got me dude. You’re so smart. Thanks for setting me straight and then educating me on how the Internet works. You think I could get your number in case I have other questions about how things work?

    • shaundre93 - Jan 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

      What killed me was after I watched their 16 sec full speed replay of a shot I could barely see I decided I wanted to watch again, only to have the ad start again. Ill find the replay somewhere else thanks, I don’t need to daaaable watch those annoying ads

  10. flyerspsu - Jan 16, 2014 at 12:17 AM

    It ringed around the back bar in the net from top left out from top right, it was a good goal.

  11. flyerspsu - Jan 16, 2014 at 12:19 AM

    I feel like I am the only one who actually saw where the puck went, it went in top left and ringed around the back post and out from the right side

    • dueman - Jan 16, 2014 at 1:19 AM

      You didn’t see the puck go around the back of the net because it didn’t go around the back of the net! The videos CLEARLY show the puck go off the left post, straight across the front of the net, and then hit the top right corner and come out. The mesh did move but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it totally crossed the line. I haven’t seen an angle yet that shows whether it clearly should have counted or not.

      What surprises me the most is that they never reviewed it???

  12. jhaegs - Jan 16, 2014 at 2:22 AM

    Where’s Phantom Cam when you need it? I say good goal. Not sure if I’ve ever seen twine move on a “no goal”. The netting is recessed enough, to make that darn near impossible. All of the videos are misleading because the frame rate isn’t sufficient enough to show the split second the puck crosses.

    Even if it wasn’t a good goal, the Leafs still won, and does anyone care if the Sabres got a free point for forcing overtime?

  13. cofran2004 - Jan 16, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    I say good goal. Simply because the call on the ice was good goal, the net did move, and there’s just not enough evidence to overturn it. I don’t think I saw enough overall to say yes or no myself, but the ref had his eyes to rely on, not replays. He saw a puck go past a goalie, and the top of the net move. ALL of us call that a goal in the moment if we’re in his shoes.

  14. Lupy Nazty Philthy - Jan 16, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    Didn’t go in. Hit the post on the left, ricocheted to the top right corner post/crossbar, then back down where it got stuck under Reimer’s goalie pad/foot.

    • cofran2004 - Jan 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

      okay, if you feel that way… explain the bulge in the net from the first video.

      • Lupy Nazty Philthy - Jan 20, 2014 at 6:18 AM

        What bulge? There is nothing. People keep talking about it, where is it?

      • cofran2004 - Jan 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM

        watch the first video

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