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Horcoff: Bruins to blame for ‘not helping squash’ Seguin drama

Jan 15, 2014, 11:58 AM EDT

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Dallas alternate captain Shawn Horcoff shared some pretty pointed comments about how rumors of Tyler Seguin‘s off-ice activities were handled by the Bruins organization.

From the Edmonton Sun:

As for charges that he’s not as serious about hockey as he is about hockey-related nightlife, teammate and consummate professional Shawn Horcoff has seen absolutely nothing to support them.

“He goes out about half as much as I’ve expected a kid his age to,” said the former Oilers captain. “He picks his spots at the right times. When he does go out, he’s under control.

“I haven’t seen a single thing that warrants any of the stuff that was written about him when he was in Boston. I don’t know, maybe he did want to come here and want to change a little bit, but the kid was 20 years old, he had a Stanley Cup, he signed a big deal…

“In a lot of ways I blame the organization for not helping squash that. But that’s in the past for him, he’s become outstanding.”

Seguin, who leads the Stars in scoring this year with 42 points through 44 games, has combined to create a dynamic scoring duo with Jamie Benn and appears to be enjoying his time in Dallas.

“I liked where I was in Boston and I like this as well,” he explained. “I’m feeling a little bit more a part of something just because in Boston I’m an added on piece where here I’m more of a front-line player.”

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  1. sabatimus - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Oh please. I haven’t heard a damn thing out of the Bruins’ camp since Seguin was traded.

    • runhigh24 - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:23 PM

      I think Horcoff means the Bruins didn’t do enough to squash the stories while Seguin was still a member of the team, especially during the playoff run.

      • sabatimus - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:30 PM

        If that’s what Horcoff means, and the stories are true, why squash them? It seems to me that Horcoff is the one who is keeping the drama alive. The B’s have moved on.

      • runhigh24 - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:50 PM

        Horcoff is a former Edmonton player who was asked and then answered a question by an Edmonton reporter. Simple as that, I don’t think he loses sleep at night over it.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM

        Sure, but the response is ignorant.

      • c9castine - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:13 PM

        i don’t think you understand. he doesn’t say “squash the stories” he is saying “squash the behavior”.

        and i think he’s totally right. i never heard any bad attitude out of this kid. so if his problem was that he was a 20 year old that needed to develop better life habits and work ethic (which, again, didn’t seem too bad as it was), then they failed. they failed to take a high end young talent and turn him into a professional. its part of the job of management and coaches to do so. in fact, that duty is pretty much spelled out in their titles of “coach and manager”.

        now they did at least make a pretty good trade. reilly smith is turning out to me a very solid young player. eriksson should at some point get healthy and contribute. joe morrow may be a lost cause but if not he could also be a really good puck moving defenseman although the penguins traded him away in the first place because of attitude issues.

        but when you look at it, Seguin is outscoring all Boston players by 6 points and has made his team better.

    • c9castine - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:15 PM

      also the bruins may not have said anything then but they sure didn’t have a problem leaking out some comments and stuff that supported their decision to trade him and make Tyler look bad at the time…so i don’t wanna hear this “high road” bs. besides tyler didn’t say anything his teammate did.

      • dropthepuckeh - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:02 PM

        c9castline Seguin has six more points then the highest Bruin but obviously not outscoring all Boston players by 6. More importantly, he has 20 more points than any other player on his own team other than Jamie Benn and his team is out of the playoffs at this time. Boston has always been about spreading the offense out over four lines. If you want to measure points as to the trade – Reilly and Eriksson have 48 points combined versus 42 for Seguin. Again, his quote pretty much summed up his priority – score a lot and team be damned.

        As for your comment, “i never heard any bad attitude out of this kid” unless you are involved in the NHL in some capacity, why would you ever hear his attitude first hand? Most people who follow the Bruins in Boston have a story about the kid out in bars, hooking up with college chicks and generally partying it up. The Bruins didn’t need to leak anything, the stories supplied themselves. He was hanging out with a crew of guys who loved the attention. Obviously it comes with the territory when you have a young guy making millions but not all of these types of players feel the need to behave like this. The Bruins tried to rein him in and from a business perspective they understand better than anyone the importance of making their top pick work. At the end of the day, they felt it was a better business move to trade the player and a lot of that appears to be related to his maturity.

        Seguin might be young and extremely talented but he is also an adult making a ton of money who is supposed to be held accountable. This is a business. He can do what he wants just as the Bruins could trade him. His comments following the trade confirmed to me his maturity level. You hate to see his skills on another team but in aggregate I think it made sense and also sends a strong statement to the rest of the team (marchand) on what will be tolerated.

      • c9castine - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:26 PM

        first of all, i thought the obvious thing was that i clearly wasn’t saying Seguin has more points than all Bruins combined. not sure why you even brought that up.

        it as nothing to do with “score my points and team be damned”. boston is just a better team. he is doing his part to make them better. he can’t turn a bunch of 3rd liners into 70 point players. not sure why you even brought that up.

        i hear bad attitude from other guys. it always makes its way into the media. guys wanting a trade, complaining about ice time, or roles. never heard any of that stuff out of him.

        i don’t follow the bruins in boston.

        not sure boston is that great with their first round picks. see joe thornton (i realize he still played a long time there) phil kessel and tyler sequin. not saying it has really affected them as a team like it did edmonton, but they have a history of not getting max potential out of their first round picks.

        he is young and an adult making a lot of money. he was also a kid a long way from home and its a widely accepted thing that the team has to be a part of turning a boy into a man.

        all I’m saying.

    • stonebullet - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:15 PM

      The main difference is Seguin, it’s the market in which he plays. All Boston teams are in the spotlight constantly (3 World Series, 3 Superbowl titles, 1 Cup, 1 NBA Champ + 5 more finals (13 total) appearances amongst those teams in 13 years). So the expectation from fans is almost overboard and everything outside of the lockerroom and field, whether it’s right or wrong, is looked at by everybody.

      In Dallas… not so much. I’m sure he’s learned and done better since his antics up here which is good to see. But had he done it in Dallas it’s going to be looked at completely differently either way. Completely opposite sports markets.

    • hockeyflow33 - Jan 15, 2014 at 7:09 PM

      You must have missed that Behind the B’s show where episode one should have been titled Bad Stuff About Seguin

  2. pats2001 - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    sounds like it’s working out well for seguin in dallas. and perhaps that’s because it took a major transaction like him getting traded out of boston for him to realize that he needed to be more serious about hockey, which it sounds like he is down in dallas..and good for him. as a bruins fan, i never had a problem with seguin and i was disappointed that they didnt give him at least one more year to develop within their system. i also think the bruins did not do themselves any favors with the way they handled the trade and all the comments that came out afterwards about his off ice lifestyle. that being said, ever since he had gotten to boston, there was constant chatter about what a jerk he was when he was out at the clubs, etc. but that’s all been well documented and it seems as though both sides have moved on…so i’m not sure why horcoff felt it necessary to bring this up…maybe he was asked by a reporter diggin for a story. but it seems as though all this nonsense was covered when dallas played in boston back in november. every time these teams play, this will come up…but let’s all do our best to move past this and just play hockey

  3. drewsylvania - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    So we’ll take one player’s opinion over what Bruins fans saw on the ice, heard from the org, and read in Seguin’s Twitter feed. A teammate’s opinion. Which is being brought out now many months after the trade.

    Sounds like the person allowing the drama to continue is Horcoff.

    Bottom line is that Seguin is a talented scorer who doesn’t do dick on defense. That still jives with “not taking hockey that seriously”. The Bruins wanted him to play defense. They wouldn’t have cared about the partying if he’d taken his defensive responsibilities seriously.

    Horcoff has no clue what he’s talking about. Or is trolling the Bruins org to stick up for a teammate and “be a good clubhouse guy”.

    • hockey412 - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:39 PM

      Maybe you shouldn’t be such a bitter hometown fan about all that, Horcoff probably does know what he’s talking about and there’s really no need to go into SuperHomer mode when he was probably asked to comment on it by the press and was going to bat for his teammate. The Bruins organization blames a lot of people for a lot of things, it’s cool for someone to shoot the blame back at ’em.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:02 PM

        Your entire argument is “Horcoff probably does know what he’s talking about.”

        Well, I’m convinced.

      • therooneyskilledwebster - Jan 15, 2014 at 8:45 PM

        They definitely blamed the Pens for their ECF no show.

    • elvispocomo - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:33 PM

      The rumours I’ve seen and even the comments from the behind the scenes around the Bruins discussions whether or not to trade him had nothing to do with his defence. They talked about his maturity for sure, and Horcoff notes specifically that it’s in the time he’s seen him that Seguin’s been very good.

      Maybe Seguin was out of control a bit, but the Bruins should be there as a part of his development to guide him. Maybe the only wake up call that’d work was a trade, but that’s doesn’t mean Horcoff isn’t right.

  4. dropthepuckeh - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    I think Horcoff is doing what any player would do and defend his teammate but I highly doubt he has any clue as to what Seguin did in his past nor probably does he see him “out” that much. I don’t think Seguin’s issues were so bad that he couldn’t reign it in when he is around other players and the organization.

    Seguin’s quote is fairly telling though of his mindset – ““I’m feeling a little bit more a part of something just because in Boston I’m an added on piece where here I’m more of a front-line player.” The kid wants to be the Man which is some respect is understandable but in the end most of the mature players don’t care about their individual stats and are happy to be an “added piece” on a Cup contender amongst a roster of great players.

    For what its worth, Seguin has 42 points and is a plus 5 while Reilly Smith has 33 points and is plus 6 and Eriksson has 15 (in 26 games) and is plus 9. I think both sides are happy with the trade.

    • sabatimus - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM

      As far as I’m concerned, Seguin will never be the Man unless he learns to be more than a strict one-zone forward. He’s basically Phil Kessel Part Two.

      • dropthepuckeh - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:03 PM

        While the Bruins and al lot of the fans might hold a grudge against Kessel, the guy has scored 30+ goals in each of the seasons since his trade (20 in the shortened season). Most teams would take that production regardless of their defensive abilities. In the end I think it is another case of a good trade for both teams but hardly the one-sided steal most Bruins fans like to pretend. I am a Bruins fan fyi.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

        Definitely not a steal. But the Bruins believed they weren’t going to get what they wanted out of Seguin. They got a huge pile of talent back–arguable a superior group of players than who they gave up.

      • dropthepuckeh - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:14 PM

        Totally agree on the Seguin trade, I meant the Kessel trade.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jan 15, 2014 at 7:10 PM

        A pure goal scorer?

  5. gallyhatch - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    Horcoff himself could have taken steps to squash this story too, instead he is contributing to it.

    Yeah, Seguin, until his recent rough patch has been having a good season in Dallas, but the majority of his points have come against teams that suck or are in the middle of the pack. His numbers against the Elite teams in the NHL are not that good. That’s his m.o.

    Seguin’s not a grinder, never was, and never will be. Another year in the Bruins system, and I think his trade value would have dropped significantly.

    As a Bruins fan, I was fine with this trade the day it happened, and I am fine with it now.

    (ps, the usual Bruins hating trolls will have a field day with this one!)

    • dropthepuckeh - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:39 PM

      Yeah, when they wake up in an hour or so they will chime in. Let’s enjoy the calm while it lasts….

  6. joey4id - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    I don’t know who’s comments between the B’s and Horcoff’s are more credible. I do agree that sometimes things happen too fast for the younger players, and it can very well be that he wanted to have fun with the new found celebrity and money. Some of the kids will go out and some won’t. That’s the nature of the beast. They are professional’s by definition, but mot all of them will act accordingly. Don’t let that fool you. Kids will be kids! Not all, but some will. And some adults will act immaturely. Happens in every walk of life. Not all priests are suited to be one. C’est la vie! Believe or not A-rod is a professional. A professional cheat that is…. Ha!

  7. bruinsyea - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM

    F**k the police

  8. charastein - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Typical. A guy gets traded for acting like a selfish little twit and they “blame the organization.” Yeah, it’s the Bruins fault he missed curfews, didn’t play D, and delivered a lackluster effort in the playoffs.

    It’s always someone else’s fault, right?

    If you act like a nitwit, at least take ownership for the result of your actions!

    Horcoff wasn’t there. Therefore his opinion is NULL AND VOID. Maybe he has been talking to Tyler’s mom or something. Of course he is going to side with his new teammate.

    Well, it sounds like he sent a clear invitation to be a target for Bruins hitters tomorrow night!

    • elrock7 - Jan 15, 2014 at 6:55 PM

      Either way Stars probably beat them. again. especially If Tukka Rask Is in goal.

  9. topshelf37 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    The kid was a celebrity in Boston. He couldn’t go anywhere without being recognized by nearly everyone. Who wouldn’t want to party hard in that scenario at that age? In Dallas it’d be hard to find someone that knows who he is. He probably sticks to his team much more. Partier or not, dude can play hockey with the best of them. This thing blew up way more than it should’ve. He wasn’t the type of hockey player Boston wanted, I don’t believe partying had nearly as much impact as the media wants us to believe.

    • dropthepuckeh - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:10 PM

      The kid was hardly a celebrity who couldn’t go anywhere without being recognized. Maybe Chara, Brady, Ortiz etc have that problem but contrary to what you read on here, most of Boston would have no clue who Seguin is if he walked into your grocery store. The problem was he loved being the center of attention outside the rink. Understandable for a young insecure kid but at some point you have to grow up. Bottom line is the Bruins felt his maturity issues, including the partying but not limited to it, were too great in spite of his incredible skill. I don’t think the team would willingly let go of such a highly skilled top pick without deliberating on it a lot more than all of us idiots on here.

      • topshelf37 - Jan 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM

        Sorry but I could not disagree with you more. His name and face were extremely recognizable and he was swarmed everywhere he went. He was probably the favorite Bruin of the female Bruins fan demographic as well. Guarantee he could not walk into a Boston grocery store and go unrecognized. He is certainly nowhere near Brady, Ortiz, or even Rondo in that regards, but he was a very big deal in Boston.

      • bildomatic - Jan 16, 2014 at 11:04 AM

        Agreed with topshelf he was absolutely a recgonizable athlete in the city of Boston and I’m curious how you know so much about Seguin’s off ice personality and your diagnosis of him being a insecure kid who loves being the center of attention? Were you part of his entourage? If so what other inside scoops do you have? Favorite ice cream flavor? Does he use bunny ears or the loop swoop and pull method? So many questions…

  10. csilojohnson - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    It seems like not many read entire quote. He did state he doesnt know how he was in Boston. Just how he acts in Dallas…
    I wish these articles would include the questions asked… Or at least acknowledge a question was asked.
    (yes obvious to some)
    Would nullify 40% of comments. Guess thats not in NBCs best interest..

    • sabatimus - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM

      Don’t you know? Nobody on the internet reads anything longer than three sentences.

  11. montrealbbr - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    I hate everything about the bruins but I think Horcoff should keep his mouth shut.

    • charastein - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:52 PM

      We hate you back. :)

      The new Smurf song: “ole! ole! Ole! OLE!”

  12. Moop - Jan 15, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    I firmly believe that the idea of Seguin being a partying monster was perpetuated by the media because they could not understand why the Bruins would trade a number two overall draft pick and promising young player purely because of one bad playoff run. My perspective of the reasoning for the Seguin trade, as a Bruins and Seguin fan, is based on three things, in order of importance:

    1. Salary cap problems: In the offseason, the Bruins needed to make a few moves in order to retain big pieces of their roster like Tuukka Rask and Patrice Bergeron for long term deals. Doing so required a trade of one of their players with a larger salary. Seguin, as of this season, has a cap hit of $5,750,000 and his contract runs through 2018-2019. If the Bruins didn’t trade Seguin to open up cap space, they would have had to trade someone like David Krejci or Milan Lucic. As a Bruins fan, I would trade Seguin rather than the other two any day.

    2. Fitting in with the system: Boston’s defense first system stifles most offensively talented players. It’s rare to see a Bruins player with a 70 point season. The team generally relies on many players having something closer to 50 point seasons. Despite the hype surrounding Seguin, I believe only a handful of players in the NHL would be capable of having incredible seasons offensively while playing in the Bruins’ system. Seguin was never going to have the type of season he’s having with Dallas right now while playing the way the Bruins wanted him to play.

    3. Maturity issues: Is it possible that Seguin did have some issues with partying and maturity while he was with the Bruins? Probably. But definitely not to the extent that it was, and still is, made out to be. I don’t think there could have been enough that the Bruins felt the need to trade him based on that alone.

  13. rrsm53 - Jan 16, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    who really cares what Horcoff thinks, he wasn’t in boston and wasn’t his teammate. Seguin knows he didn’t pull his weight, played when he wanted to and didn’t show up some nights, yes maybe he was out of position on the wing but he wasn’t doing anything to prove otherwise he should be a center.

    Wish him the best in Dallas but Horcoff if you did your job in Edmonton you would still be there so S.T.F.U. and play hockey and kiss Seguin’s ass later.

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