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Kings demote Toffoli, Greene being evaluated for concussion

Jan 14, 2014, 5:45 PM EDT

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Some news out of Los Angeles following an emotional win over Vancouver

First, the club has sent rookie Tyler Toffoli to AHL Manchester. Toffoli, 21, has nine goals and 17 points through 33 games this year — sitting eighth among all first-year players in goals — but has been stone cold as of late, having failed to record a point since Dec. 19 (a stretch of 11 games). Toffoli also played a season-low 6:11 against the Canucks on Monday.

Second, the Kings are reportedly testing veteran defenseman Matt Greene for a concussion. Greene, who drew into the lineup last night for the first time in over a week, got into a second-period scrap with Kevin Bieksa:

Greene finished the game with just 5:03 of ice time and didn’t play at all following the scrap (though to be fair, he had to sit a while after accumulating 17 penalty minutes).

  1. nhstateline - Jan 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    He’s 21 years old. That’s his struggle. Give him a couple of weeks tearing up the AHL and back he’ll go. I’m not sure about his defense but this guy’s going to be an offensive machine.

    • mexiam - Jan 14, 2014 at 6:51 PM

      I completely agree with you on that, hopefully it’ll spark his game again. He’s a fun guy to watch play and he does have a good two way game going for him he always seems to get back when he needs to help out the D. Now if we can only do something about trevor lewis, 38 games and is a -1 with 1 assist! it strange to me that Daryl Sutter allows him to be in the lineup still. I mean it’s not like the Kings need help scoring goals or anything

      • censoredpost - Jan 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

        Lewis sucks. He is fast as F, but he lacks control. Like a 3rd grader trying to dribble a basketball at full speed.

    • jkaflagg - Jan 14, 2014 at 8:27 PM

      Agree….he will become a real offensive force if/when they can find a playmaking center to play with him….or perhaps bring up the entire Toffoli/Tanner Pearson/Linden Vey line from Manchester and let them play together for multiple games.

      Sounds crazy, but nobody really thought bringing up Dwight King and Jordan Nolan in 2012 would be a key part of a Cup run either….

  2. joey4id - Jan 14, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    Another concussion from fighting…. way to go NHL…. let the boys punch themselves in the head. You’re making a case for the law suit.

    • davebabychreturns - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM


      These lawsuits have bite (and viability in court) because they contend that the respective leagues concealed information about the long term effects of concussions from players.

      A guy picking a fistfight in 2014 knows full well what’s at stake.

      • joey4id - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:16 AM

        Yes! But! Dude! The law suit calls out the NHL for allowing fighting to continue because of what they know about head trauma caused by head shots. Yes! Dude! Punches to the head can cause concussions.

        “The NHL’s refusal to protect players by penalizing on-ice fist fights, the league has created a dangerous atmosphere for players. The complaint alleges that the NHL either ignores or consistently lags behind other hockey leagues in adopting protections for players in accordance with current medical knowledge of concussions. Instead, the NHL continues to glorify and empower players known as “enforcers”- players with the singular intention of injuring the opposing team.”


        The Dude!

    • slysipops - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM

      WHAT PUNCH ?

      • gambloduck - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:44 PM

        The three Bieksa landed while Greene was on top of him .

  3. kaptaanamerica - Jan 14, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    Greene got the beating he deserved from my understanding… trying to take a guy out with a dirty play..

    • kingsfan93 - Jan 14, 2014 at 6:43 PM

      Kaptaanamerica – try watching the fight frame by frame because there was no dirty play or Greene getting hit by that wimp Bieska.

      • hosewater2 - Jan 14, 2014 at 8:30 PM

        …yet Greene came out with the concussion, despite not getting hit on your expert frame by frame CSI analysis. OK.

        Kings won the game, but the takeaway message here is the Canucks came into your building and beat you up one by one. And no one had the cajones to dance with Kassian who offered repeatedly. And I’m not even bringing up that sorry display of testosterone deficiency displayed by Jordan Nolan.

      • shortsxit34 - Jan 14, 2014 at 11:17 PM

        The Sedins were “smart” and “disciplined” when they refused to retaliate in the ’11 Finals, though, right?

      • ikillchicken - Jan 15, 2014 at 6:44 AM

        Yeah, maybe Canucks fans would have said back in 2011 that it was smart to refuse to retaliate, draw penalties, and beat teams that way. And maybe now a lot of those fans believe we need to play with grit. I’d call that being smart enough to adapt. We’ve seen how well not retaliating works these days. So yeah, obviously people have changed their mindset. What really makes no sense though is Kings fans, who traditionally champion gritty play and have regularly mocked the Canucks for their “soft” style and for getting pushed around, suddenly doing an about face as soon as they’re the ones getting pushed around. Then it just seems like you don’t like the taste of your own medicine.

  4. shortsxit34 - Jan 14, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Joey, why is it exactly that you think you should tell two consenting adults what they can or can’t do to their bodies?

    • joey4id - Jan 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM

      Oh! I don’t know. I suppose for the same reason we have to wear a seat built. Or, for the same reason hockey players have to wear a helmet. Or, the same reason they are banning home plate collisions in baseball effective 2014. Or, for the same reason you get tossed of the game for fighting in baseball, football and basketball. Hmmm! I wonder why visors are now mandatory….. Why is it exactly that these leagues think they should tell consenting adults what they can’t or can’t do with their bodies?

      • gambloduck - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:52 PM

        Well said . Good VALID points . Hard to resist policing dirty teams with ole fashioned blood thirst, though . There isn’t a more deserving team of a good beat down than L A . Stoll, Capt. knee-on-knee, Greene, Doughty are some of the sneakiest, if not dirtiest, players in the league .And Doughty is the biggest hypocrite .I see him slew foot in the corners all the time .

      • jhaegs - Jan 15, 2014 at 4:54 PM

        Did you really bring up baseball? Yes, they took the only contact out of a non-contact sport. The play doesn’t happen a whole lot anyway, so who cares?

        Football is a joke nowadays, and people like you are going to turn hockey into the same thing. The amount if penalties and fines is ridiculous. The game is slow enough already, and good, fundamental, LEGAL tackles are being penalized. In 10yrs, it will be the NFFL (National Flag Football League).

        Basketball? They dive as much as soccer players, and “slapping” someone’s arm is a foul. Not exactly a contact sport.

        Fighting is a part of hockey, and it always has been. No one is FORCED to fight, and they can just skate away. If someone gets jumped (even if they deserve it), the aggressor should be fined or suspended. Anyone that drops their gloves knows what they are risking. They already penalize fighting, so what else do you want? I’ve seen plenty of concussions from checking, should we take that out? I’ve seen pucks to the face do a lot of harm- maybe they can play with a foam puck from now on. It’s a slippery slope once you start complaining, so tread lightly. Don’t forget that you are feeling sorry for millionaires that willingly play for one if the most physical sports in the world. I think they’ll be OK…

      • jhaegs - Jan 15, 2014 at 5:05 PM


        I have big hands and the “i” and “o” are waaaay too close on my phone…

      • joey4id - Jan 15, 2014 at 5:06 PM

        jhaegs, whenever someone uses sarcasm to make a point it only demonstrates their desperation and lack of arguments. You know what I always find so bloody amazing? Fans that get up in arms when one of their favorite players is injured in a collision be it accidental or accidentally on purpose. They never resort to saying; “Well! It’s part of the game. Why feel sorry for millionaires?” Ever ask yourself why helmets became mandatory in 1979? Playing w/o a helmet was part of the game before then. And now! New comers have to wear visors too. Go figure! Touch icing has always been part of the game…. not any more. Why? Oh! Wait! I know. To prevent injuries. OMG! C’mon! Let’s get real!

      • jhaegs - Jan 15, 2014 at 7:48 PM

        They ADDED helmets. They ADDED visors. They TWEAKED the icing rule. You’re talking about REMOVING a huge part of the game. Players already get by with enough cheap shots. If they were gong to enforce stiffer penalties for fighting (15min/20min misconduct for instigating) then players would be less inclined to fight over clean, hard hits or stupid reasons. They’d have to decide if it’s worth it, or not.

        Even IF they took out fighting, would that really stop players from getting revenge? Boarding and hits to the head are illegal- happens all the time.

        Greene wanted to fight. Greene got hurt.

      • jhaegs - Jan 15, 2014 at 8:00 PM

        Also, before my two lines of sarcasm, I gave plenty of valid points. Most players nowadays already wear a visor by the way, so why would anyone care if they’re grandfathered in? There’s a fine line between keeping the game safe, and completely changing the integrity of the game. The NFL is a perfect example of what can happen when you try and overpolice the game. It is a shell of its former self.

        Isn’t your team the Blackhawks? I’m guessing that’s why you could care less if there is ANY contact in hockey, seeing as they don’t initiate contact as it is…

  5. itswhereyourmindsat - Jan 14, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    how in the hell does toffoli get demoted and not trevor lewis or jake muzzin or matt frattin???? gah damnit

  6. shortsxit34 - Jan 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    Home plate collisions? If you want to take out everything worse than home plate collisions in hockey than you will literally have a no checking league. There’s fighting in indoor lacrosse. UFC has the name “Fighting” in its name.

    I don’t even like fighting, but I don’t feel the need to bring it up in every single thread. We get it. You want fighting out of hockey. Everyone here knows your stance. You don’t have to get up on your soapbox twice a day to let everybody know.

    • joey4id - Jan 14, 2014 at 8:33 PM

      Hey! I don’t make up the MLB rules. And frankly, I don’t give a flying fart about UFC.

      You post whatever you want, and I write whatever I want whenever I want. Deal! Or! No Deal! :-)

  7. muckleflugga - Jan 14, 2014 at 11:43 PM

    too long don’t read…

    discussion on fighting related concussions properly air in proportion to discussion on fighting…they’re not mutually exclusive…unless popular network opinion indicates otherwise

    i’m sure nhl nabobs and media agents profiting from fighting would prefer to see and hear concussion related debate go away…both would adore people who are proponents of that philosophy…media controlled herding complex…crooks and


    donald s cherry habitually highlights game crowds up on hind legs cheering hockey fights…this in support of argument people love fighting so fighting is part of hockey so fighting inherently sustains the professional game…give ’em what they want…


    one might ask why a game endorsing fighting is not thriving in non-traditional hockey markets whereas hockey thrives and is growing exponentially in europe where fighting is a rarity…understand

    don cherry and the cbc market a product called rock ’em-sock ’em hockey…in microcosm of greater hockey marketing philosophy that includes violence as commodity…we have cbc pundits offer thin debate on the fighting issue while invariably offering tacit support that violence is integral to hockey…

    men policing themselves in a sport incapable of policing itself…yet

    cherry and the cbc cry for soldiers or or policemen taken by violent means while defending country abroad or people at home…

    alligator tears

    missing in cherry’s cbc fighting vignettes are children and adolescents generally…in and of itself speaking to over-priced product keeping youth from nhl games on one hand…and selective editing of video featuring ravening fight engorged crowds in support of argument for violence as marketable product, on the other…

    all in effort to keep the cash flowing from those willing to buy


    cherry and the others would have us believe people in nhl crowds…wealthy well-fed and fuelled with alcohol…crazy for entertainment when hockey product itself puts them to sleep…are somehow representative of public opinion on fighting in the professional game

    this while men attempt to beat each other senseless…


    cherry and others argue technique in hitting hockey should be part of rounded hockey training from peewee hockey onward

    this so safe hitting play will endure as players move into competitive contact hockey with growth and age –seemingly sensible argument were it not for science proving growing bodies are not developed in the young sufficiently to endure hitting forces

    following argument claiming fighting is part of the game, logic would suggest fighting should also be part of rounded hockey training from peewee hockey onward

    this so safe fighting play will endure as players move into competitive fighting hickey with growth and age…?

    it is evident young people, functioning outside of societal norm but participating in organized hockey, should be permitted and encouraged to use violence inherent in hitting and fighting…to control behaviour of others while playing hockey

    perhaps proponents of violent play, manifest in extreme hitting and fighting, can rationalize the means by which young people with developing bodies, intelligence and personality are able to separate violence in hockey from violence in the world as it exists outside of hockey…?

    families of soldiers and policemen might elaborate

    i see a lot of flames games…outside the bowl but with a good view overall…people not cheering for occasional fights represent three quarters of the crowd or better…hidden by people up and cheering…away from cameras

    people not up and cheering appear turned-off by the fighting spectacle…

    i expect they see the same hate and fear and emotion and blood and injury everyone possessed of rational mind sees…all elements of fighting not exhibited in artful video cutting or promotion of the game by saturday night hockey shills…media controlled herding complex…crooks


    unbiased sports journalism not feeding on bloodsport itself might objectively offer counterpoint showing response to fighting events in the crowds as it actually occurs

    unbiased sports journalism


  8. kingsfan93 - Jan 15, 2014 at 6:04 AM

    ‘re: hosewater2 – You talk about the Kings not having the cajones makes me laugh. Kassian is nobody to fear of As for Sestito wanting to mix it up.with Nolan was a strategic move not to. Kings knew what was gonna go on in the game from the get go. So they are not going to let Sestitoi and the Canucks get the best of the Kings. Plus Sestito is a goon and nothing more. Why don’t you tell D. Weise to man up and not go around sloot footing D. Doughty. That if a Canucks player wants to mix it up, then do so with someone like a Clifford or Nolan and etc.. that will put your players in check. Those wimpy sorry of an excuse hockey team that they call the Canucks is not a team to be taken serious of, especially with that Luongo getting injured by D. Brown.

    • jhaegs - Jan 15, 2014 at 5:01 PM

      Well that was grammatically sound…

      You have an entire team of goons. Give me the name of ONE “skill” player on the Kings…

  9. kingcobraman - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    everybody seen the kings turtle, duck and hide all night long.not to mention lose the physical side of the game… sure the got the 2pts but played like queens….

  10. slysipops - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:03 PM

    FIGHT? more of a dance than a fight. not a KINGS FAN …. but kudos to any team that beats the NUCKS !

  11. gambloduck - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    The kings’ power play got exposed . The booing of the fans didn’t even spur them on . Sestito getting thrown out ? Why wasn’t Emery in the Washington game ? ‘Cause he’s black and we’re in the PC era ? NHL and Shana-joke lacking in consistency . Nolan already had his face lacerated once by Sestito and seing how he’ shardly cracking the lineup these days, was not looking to get sat down because of a concussion like Greene . If this game were being played anywhere but L A the rulings on the ice would have come out differently .

    Get well Thomas Hurtl .

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