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Thornton: Hertl ‘out for a little bit’ after Brown knee

Dec 20, 2013, 11:07 AM EDT

In the wake of losing rookie scoring sensation Tomas Hertl to injury after a Dustin Brown knee on Thursday, Sharks captain Joe Thornton figured he wouldn’t be seeing Hertl for a while.

“It’s tough,” Thornton said. “I don’t know how long he’s gonna go out for — I didn’t see the play, but I know he’s going to be out for a little bit.”

The incident occurred late in the first period, forcing Hertl from the game entirely. Brown, the Kings captain, was given a five-minute kneeing major and game misconduct on the hit:

Following the game, Kings head coach Darryl Sutter was still upset with the penalty, which he believed was a blown call.

“That is not the right call,” Sutter said, as per LA Kings Insider. “Clear. No more questions about it. I saw it live and I saw two or three replays.

“It’s not the right call.”

This isn’t the first time Hertl’s been on the receiving end of a big check this season. Back in early October, he was shook up on a high hit from Vancouver defenseman Alex Edler, who was suspended three games for his actions.

No word yet if Brown will be facing supplemental discipline.

Update: From Czech TV Nova reporter Roman Jedlicka…

 

  1. sjsharks66 - Dec 20, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Hope it is not serious. Im disappointed the Sharks did nothing about it. Would like to see this team stand up for themselves more.

    • ethanmacleod1685 - Dec 20, 2013 at 6:40 PM

      Would love to see Thornton kick the piss out if Brown

  2. cybernetikghost - Dec 20, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Hertl is a talented guy, there is absolutely no question as to his ability. He has gone past the point of beginners’ luck at this point; but, if the Sharks NEED him, given how stacked they are….. there’s a problem.

  3. jpelle82 - Dec 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    bummer. jury is out for me, i have no horse in the race but from all appearances, taking browns history out of the equation, it just looks like an unfortunate incident. he looks to me as if he second guessed going for a big hit and tried to get out of the way at the last second.

  4. elvispocomo - Dec 20, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Brown does a lot of borderline stuff, but I have a hard time thinking of this play as getting anything extra for discipline. He does go in with his legs quite wide to get in a low hitting position but isn’t lining up to go straight through Hertl’s body, so when Hertl adjusts to avoid him Brown can’t get out of the way from making contact with the knee. I’d be more reassured Brown had absolutely no malice in his heart if he was aiming to hit Hertl in the chest though.

    • sjshark714 - Dec 20, 2013 at 2:41 PM

      A lot of times players are tracking a puck behind them or something, and turn around and hit someone knee-on-knee and its a coin flip which guy gets injured. Happens a lot, nothing you can do about it. In this case Hertl is looking up ice to make a play, Brown travels 30 feet looking right at Hertl, possibly looking for a check, but definitely not caught off guard. He actually looks like he’s gonna go around Hertl and then cuts toward him at the last second, and then cuts back away from him leaving their knees as the only contact points. Just pick up your right leg and spin off the check… its not hard… by doing what he did he puts Hertl AND himself in danger of a knee injury. I don’t think it’s malicious, I just don’t think he is capable of making the safe, smart hockey play when necessary. If his history points to anything… it’s that.

      • elvispocomo - Dec 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM

        Oh, for sure that Brown does dirty crap all the time. I can’t speak for what was going through his head, but I don’t see anything that shows this to be an obviously malicious hit. It’s probably careless since he could have lined up the hit better, but any intent is debatable. We agree I think.

        It reminds me of Brown’s hit on Henrik in the playoffs the year they won the cup. Brown is coming from behind him at high speed and it’s only at the last second that Henrik turns around so that the hit is actually face to face. What would Brown have done if Henrik didn’t turn around? Just slam into him from behind? Somehow pirouette out of the way?

  5. sjsharks66 - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    I am about to bring this up. How is it when Brown has a questionable hit we can put his history behind him. Then when Torres hits Stoll on a questionable hit, all we hear about is his history? When Cooke cut Karlssons achilles, everyone brought up his history.l? Whenever Rinaldo makes a questionable hit, we all bring up his history?

    What makes Brown’s questionable hit different? Because he somehow dodges suspensions and theres no “paper trail”?

    • joey4id - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM

      What are you trying to tell us? All I hear is whining. History or no history is used to determine if a player was previously suspended for similar infractions. Are you saying the league should suspend players based on questionable hits? Now that is absurd.

      • areaman714 - Dec 20, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        What is absurd is that this guy has continuously gotten away with so many cheap shots.

    • elvispocomo - Dec 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM

      There’s a big difference when talking about history between Brown with one 2 game suspension, and Torres/Kaleta/Cooke/etc with multiple suspensions. I agree with areaman714 that Brown gets away with a lot, but I also can’t think of a play off the top of my head that was so bad that he should have had 5+ games because he’s that significantly dirtier than other players.

      Cooke’s hit on Savard, Torres’ hit on Hossa, Kaleta’s headbutt, etc. all come to mind when I think of those players.

  6. allday420ap - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    We all know the clown brown is a cheap shot artist. suspend that scumbag. Just look at the dirty elbow he threw pominville last year.

    • joey4id - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM

      And he was suspended for that. What’s your point?

      • areaman714 - Dec 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM

        The point was clear . . . that he is a cheap shot artist. An example was provided to support this assertion. Duh?

      • joey4id - Dec 20, 2013 at 1:37 PM

        Well! I suppose the NHL has been missing all of his cheap shots deserving of a suspension. I guess the video feeds were broken.

      • areaman714 - Dec 20, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        Yes. I am sure you are on your mat praying toward Toronto because they have an amazing consistency of doling out punishment . . .

      • joey4id - Dec 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM

        lets say I have more faith in Toronto than a bunch of partisans who have zero objectivity.

  7. ltcompton - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Its just another dirty hit from a perpetually dirty player, the worst thing about it is that the Sharks are built to be a skill team and they don’t have anyone who can retaliate. Brown really is a dirty player, its no joke and the league will be lucky if he doesn’t end someone’s career with one of his trademark cheap shots. I wish Derian Hatcher was still around, he would never put up with this crap, he’d line up Jeff Carter and break his F****** jaw, and that would be the end of it, no more problems from Dustin Brown.

    • joey4id - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM

      Sounds like Compton ghetto talk to me. The guy is a very intense player no doubt, but that doesn’t make him a dirty players. Dirty players get suspended more often than he does.

  8. muckleflugga - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    sjsharks66

    perhaps the sharks players saw the hit as anyone who’s been caught-out betwixt and between hit and evasion knows, the collision was incidental…

    where is intent when a player is equally vulnerable, as is the case in all knee on knee collisions…

    why brawl over the logical consequence of a logical hockey circumstance…

    sharks as a team should be lauded for their restraint

    • tdaveniii - Dec 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM

      What would retaliation have accomplished but an even more lopsided loss? Why retaliate, and provide the Kings power play opportunities? The best retaliation would have been to take advantage of a 5 minute major and dump a couple in the net.

  9. sjsharks66 - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    You know what else is weird about Brown? He has all these “accidental” knee’s. Yet, he is never hurt from them. Look at Hertl’s, his knee on st.louis and his knee on Phx. He always gets right up and skates away and for some reason it is always the other guy who somehow is injured…

    • joey4id - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:57 PM

      Was he suspended for kneeing St. Louis or Phoenix? BTW are these players or teams he kneed? I’m not joking. I’d like to see the videos.

  10. kingcobraman - Dec 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    it looks like a lot of bad blood building up… just hope no one is seriously injured after all the paybacks are traded between these two teams… and I agree that Brown tries to master the accidental cheap shot…

  11. joey4id - Dec 20, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Ok. So, here’s what I’m hearing. Dustin Brown is a cheap shot artist with only one suspension to show for it. Many here say what he does is intentional. The league doesn’t see any of it except for one bad elbow last year. Someone should break Jeff Carter’s jaw to teach Brown a lesson. According to many the game is currently being policed by the players. So, why are all these questionable hits still occurring? Bouton concussed Parros recently. Is that more acceptable than a questionable hit or cheap shot? Who on the Canadiens will break Boulton’s jaw to police the game and revenge what he did to Parros?

  12. sjsharks66 - Dec 20, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Joey, take a look back a few articles. I posted about 4 videos of cheap shots by Brown and one by King. You know how the NHL suspends players. It is rarely consistent. Just because a player does not have a history of suspensions does not mean we all cannot see with our own eyes all the in incidents that they should have been suspended for. The fact that I am not the only person calling Brown a dirty player should prove that. The kid plays on the edge and he plays a hard style of hockey. The lack of suspensions just tells him he can keep targeting players heads and knees. I am sure I was not the only person surprised he FINALLY got suspended for his elbow.

    • joey4id - Dec 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

      66, ok! Look! I have no horse in the race here. I’m not a fan of any team. Against Rozsival, he makes contact with his knee, but he doesn’t lead with his knee, and doesn’t extend his leg outward to hit Rozisval. He was committed to the line he took immediately after crossing the blue line.

      Against the blues you really can’t suspend him for trying to throw and elbow and missing. We go back to the conversation many are having here. Do we suspend for what he tried to do, or for what he did? He did throw an elbow, but did not connect.

      Here’s the rule on kneeing. Notice the language. It’s not about a knee on knee collision. It’s about a player leading with his knee and/or extending his leg to make contact. See Neal on Marchand. Clearly a distinctive effort on Neal’ part.

      50.1 Kneeing – Kneeing is the act of a player leading with his knee and in
      some cases extending his leg outwards to make contact with his
      opponent.

  13. jhuck92 - Dec 20, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    This happened behind the play, but it looks *a lot* like Brown’s knee on Rozsival in the 2012 playoffs. He should be suspended no question. At this point, it goes beyond being accidental because the two plays look so similar. I’ve got nothing against the Kings, but they have a dirtbag captain.

  14. muckleflugga - Dec 20, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    what a pant load…

    brown tried to lift out of the collision…that’s the only conscious decision made in a high speed event…but it occurred too late

    intent to injure, dirty, habitual, minor, major, ejection, suspension…fuxsake…let’s dredge-up every hockey event involving knees, tag video, then manipulate argument to accommodate the imagery

    you have fourteen skaters whirling and cycling and sometimes colliding with force…knees happen

    i agree with sutter…he played as intense a game as anyone who laced them up…the on-ice call was bogus…reactionary…unconscious response to latent events…bodies sprawling…brown…

    guilty…?

  15. shutyourfivehole - Dec 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Whatever mush mouth Darryl. Dustin Brown is a POS. If it would’ve been one of your guys that got hit like that you’d have been ballistic. Of course he took the shot against the Sharks because he knows they’re soft and wouldn’t retaliate.

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