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Discuss: Penguins outlast Rangers in the shootout on NBCSN Rivalry Night

Dec 18, 2013, 11:12 PM EDT

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The Pittsburgh Penguins are rolling. The New York Rangers, despite a late third-period comeback Wednesday, are not.

The Penguins coughed up a two-goal lead in the final eight minutes of the third period, but still prevailed with a 4-3 shootout victory over the Rangers on Rivalry Night.

Let’s discuss:

  • Chris Kunitz collided heavily with Rangers’ goalie Henrik Lundqvist at the side of the net early in overtime. Kunitz was called for goalie interference. It was a high speed collision, although Lundqvist had gone just outside his crease at the time.
  • By the way, that was one entertaining overtime. Lundqvist, shaken up earlier in the extra frame, made a huge stop off the league leader in points, Sidney Crosby, to give his team a chance.
  • Brandon Sutter scored a beauty in the third period to give Pittsburgh a two-goal lead, but boy did he take Michael Del Zotto to school with the outside-inside move. Del Zotto has been in Alain Vigneault’s doghouse already this season, and that play likely isn’t going to help.
  • Sutter would score the only goal in the deciding skills competition, on a shot through the legs of Lundqvist, in the fifth round.
  • Quick strike offence for Penguins: Two goals in one minute and one second in the third period. Pascal Dupuis gave them the lead on a sweet set up from Crosby.
  • The Rangers couldn’t capitalize on a four-on-three power play in the overtime, but scored the equalizer with a late third-period power play to earn at least the point.
  • Kunitz for the Canadian men’s Olympic hockey team – yes? No?
  • Lively bounce off the end boards on the Rangers’ tying goal, or was Marc-Andre Fleury too slow getting over to his right for Derick Brassard‘s bad-angle shot that went top corner?

  1. nicknyhc - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Dear NHL,

    Can you stop with the blatant favoritism for the golden boys from Pittsburgh? Its getting old.


    Fans of the 29 teams Gary Bettman doesn’t have a hard on for.

    • Tyler - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM

      Relax. There were two games tonight and one of them just happened to be division rivals playing in NYC (a pretty decent sized market). It was a good game.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM

        I think he’s talking about the fact that pittsburgh is the best team in the east, and they coughed up a two goal lead against a team that has trouble scoring goals, and barely escaped with two points, and all NBC can seem to talk about is how amazing the penguins are. Pretty blatant favoritism.

    • pdmjr - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:33 PM

      You mad bro?

      • bgrillz - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

        Yeah, because a New Jersey V Ottawa just reeks of ratings. Get a life haters. Geno, Engles, Neal, Glass, Scudes, Orps, Tanger, Martin, all out, and they still win.

    • challer9 - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:38 PM

      Even being a Rangers fan, I can’t agree with you tonight. In my opinion, the game was called pretty fair. There was only 3 bad/iffy calls:
      1. It should have been a penalty shot for Crosby early in the game, but the Penguins did at least got a power play.
      2. Despite what Eddie Olczyk said, McDonough definitely had his stick slashed and broken which led directly to a Penguins goal. And trust me, it kills me to agree with that creeper Pierre Mcguirre but when McDonough lifts his stick up and brushes against the Penguins player it fully snaps in two. Which means it was already broken.
      3. The hit on Lundqvist in OT was a toss up but only seemed to be called because Lundqvist was shaken up. For some reason Pierre and Eddie kept saying Lundqvist lost his net. When you think of a goalie losing his net you think about a goalie being grossly out of position. Hank knew exactly where he was, he was covering the puck which was right underneath him. Besides, if you actually read rule 69 it doesn’t matter if the goalie is in the crease or not, if the attacking player isn’t pushed into the goalie, it’s a penalty.

      Iffy calls or not, it was an exciting game to watch.

      • bigrboland - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM

        McDonough’s stick didn’t break until he used it to crosscheck Kunitz. Sure, it didn’t seem to very hard, but the replay clearly shows this. The refs can’t assume, which is what you’re doing.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM

        they missed the brassard trip on dupuis in the neutral zone right before the rangers scored the 2nd goal. created a 3 on 2 and it was pretty blatant.

    • drone501 - Dec 19, 2013 at 12:31 AM

      im assuming this comment you made is from one hardon to another.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:17 AM

        I’m assuming you know you’re a tool.

    • bigrboland - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:19 AM

      Stop your freakin whining. I’m so tired of Pens favoritism BS. That game was called fairly and your team lost….to a bunch of AHL’ers no less. Better luck next time.

  2. csilojohnson - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Any calls you think they missed they more then made up for by blown calls the other way and extremely generous PP at the end of 3rd and in OT. The Rangers got beat. Stop crying about refs. Get mad at Del Zotto or the whole team for showing up for just the 3rd. (-Lunquist).

    • challer9 - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM

      Not sure how Hagelin taking a stick to face which resulted in his helmet almost flying off is a bad call. Other than that, you make a decent point.

    • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:19 AM

      Actually, the game ended in a tie. The teams were equal this night according to the 65 minutes they played actual hockey. The shoot-out awarded an extra point to the penguins.

  3. muckleflugga - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    i haven’t seen any late-breaking injury updates…

    was anyone injured sliding in the puddle of drool pierre left in the penguins bench…?

    • Tyler - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:40 PM

      You have to give them some props considering their lineup:

      Niskanen, 5 AHL players, Kobasew, Conner, Sill, Zolnierczyk, Vitale, Gibbons.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

        As a resident of the upstate new york area, I can tell you that Harry Z spent considereable time in the NHL, and played alright for philadelphia last season. He’s an adequate 4th liner. Also, the penguins AHL team could probably beat some NHL teams right now. It pains me to say it, but the penguins organization is stacked for years to come…

  4. Stiller43 - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    What a hideous call on kunitz and the lack of penalty shot for croz was embarrassing. Although they scored on the PP they got

    • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM

      If rick nash had made that very same play on fleury, and there was no call you would be up in arms. If you hit the goalie, its a penalty 9 times out of ten. I know you’re used to calls going in your favor in pittsburgh, but do try to maintain SOME objectivity.

  5. Tyler - Dec 18, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    Rick Nash: $7.8m

    Maatta, Dumoulin, Kobasew, Conner, Adams, Sill, Zolnierczyk, Bortuzzo, Vitale, Despres, Gibbons, Samuelsson: $7.79m

    • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:27 AM

      Yeah? How much do you have tied up in crosby and malkin? Every team has players worth a ton of money… whats your point?

      • bigrboland - Dec 19, 2013 at 9:06 AM

        His point is, a Penguins team made up of a bunch of AHL’ers beat a team with actual NHL players.

        And FYI, your quote below is moronic. The team that blew a 2-goal lead is playing with a defensive corp made of AHL’ers. Is it really shocking that they gave up that 2-goal lead??? I think not. It’s impressive and IS something to fawn over.

        The best team in the east blew a 2-goal lead against a team that generally couldnt score if the goalie was pulled and they were 2 feet from the net. Thats… not something to fawn over. And yet they did.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM

        Fun fact: The wilkesbare-scranton penguins are one of the best teams in the AHL, and are a very defensive minded team. More fun fact: Good defensive players in the AHL are generally good defensive players in the NHL, as the AHL offensive game isn’t nearly as structured, and they’re prepared to deal with weird situations. EVEN MORE fun fact!!!: Guys getting their first shot in the NHL generally play harder in an effort to earn their place, and prove their worth.

        My quote most certainly is not moronic. The pen’s offense isn’t hurting at all. And the way the rangers have been playing lately… well… the pens should have smoked them. Take your rose colored glasses off, and suck less at evaluating a game.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        8.7 million per year for the best player in the world is a bargain…you’ll see when kane signs his new deal next off-season. same thing for malkin. the timing and the amounts are dead-on and wont hinder the pens from putting a good team on the ice every year for a long time. you’re right about the baby pens though…they play the same system as the pens so there really isnt much to “learn” other than gaining general experience against some of the opposing players and learning their tendencies…that and the general speed of the game difference. as long as the ahl guys overcome the jitters and help each other out when mistakes are made, the pens will be just fine as exhibited last night. i’m not too worried about them, the schedule in december helps too. not an excuse, everyone plays through injuries all year long.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM

        I understand the point jpell82. Nash has been hurt. I think they paid him for when he’s healthy. He really is a good player. But this offense just isn’t built for, well…. offense. Sather went and traded all the offensive depth for grinding forwards that fit tortorella’s system……. and then brought in vigneault, who is an offensive minded coach. Nash is the only person on this team really that fits vigneault’s system. He is worth the money, in my opinion, but he just doesn’t really fit the players around him.

      • bigrboland - Dec 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM


        Your quote was not only moronic, but you’re a moron. You say ‘The pen’s offense isn’t hurting at all.’ Oh really??? Last I heard Malkin and Neal have been out of the lineup and they were last night.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

        Wow, what a shock! When someone is being impartial, they see that my point is valid. You. Are. A. Tool.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        pens are still averaging over 3 gpg without malkin so its not that bad. season average is 3.11 gpg. last 3 games they are 3.0 if you take away malkin’s goal in the redwings game and 3.33 if you want to count it for arguments sake. still not a real dropoff and not a real big sample size either though. they are 3.0 gpg in the last 5 games with neal out too. defensively speaking season avg is 2.16 ga per game…the last 3 since letang has been out….1.6 ga pg.

        confran has a point….

  6. steelcity333 - Dec 19, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    I on behalf of the entire Penguin fanbase would like to thank the NHL and their officials for.helping guide us to the best record in the east because clearly without your help we’d be steering at an 0-82 season.

    • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:33 AM

      I don’t think any rangers fans have complained about the officiating today. I thought it was quite fair. What I have seen is a lot of people complaining about NBC’s knob-slobbering over the penguins when there are 29 other teams in the league. The best team in the east blew a 2-goal lead against a team that generally couldnt score if the goalie was pulled and they were 2 feet from the net. Thats… not something to fawn over. And yet they did.

      Also, NO mention was given to the fact that the rangers worked hard to erase that deficit. I did, however, hear how poorly they played all night. I’m not saying they played well… quite the opposite. but come on! Give a LITTLE credit.

  7. 950003cups - Dec 19, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    That was a great game! Very fun as a fan of neither team. The hit on Lundqvist was bad, but he tried to avoid his head, so that’s good to see players respecting other players. I didn’t think it was a penalty, but I’m not a referee.

    From seeing that hit, I can only think that Hank needs to sit out a few games. Of he doesn’t have a concussion, then he has no brains in there. I’ve been hit like that and it’s no joke. It rattles your brain. A big contract won’t defend that hit. He has to have some sort of concussion. No way I’d believe otherwise.

    • idonthavethebloodyoucrave - Dec 19, 2013 at 2:43 AM

      They’re better off with Talbot anyway. He’s been giving them the best chance to win. Henry has been awful against any decent team, and against some of the badder ones, since the pad changes.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:36 AM

        No… they arent. Talbot has been awful lately. He had a hot start, sure, but the scouting report on him is out now. Teams are scoring pretty easily on him.

      • idonthavethebloodyoucrave - Dec 19, 2013 at 8:57 AM

        Umm, it’s not like Henry can stop a beach ball this year, ya know?

        There’s so much more space for players to shoot at since he can’t play as deep anymore and still cut off the angles. His best asset was being able to look much bigger than he actually is which allowed him to cut off most of the net while playing deep in the net. That’s clearly not the case anymore.

        He’s giving up almost 3 goals a game.

        You say, Talbot is awful lately but Henry has been better?


        In Cam’s last three appearances, 2.44 GAA and a .912 SV. percentage.

        In Henry’s last three appearances, 7.30 GAA and a .844 SV percentage.

        Those pesky facts make the fanboys look really dumb.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:01 AM

        Yes. Lets take just the last three appearances. Not the body of work as a whole. Is lundqvist playing bad lately? Yeah. Has talbot looked good in his last 2 appearances. No. Lundqvist will figure it out. Lets remember he started last year pretty crappy too. Talbot…. has less than 10 starts in the NHL.

        Your fan boy comment is also out of line. I know those stats. I would have agreed with you until Talbot’s last start where I watched him give up a bunch of weak 1st period goals. Like i said… the scouting report is out. He’s beatable. Lundqvist’s work ethic is too good for this play to keep up. He’ll get it turned around.

        I’m happy they have a capable back up. But he is the back up.

      • idonthavethebloodyoucrave - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM

        You said, “lately.” Facts disagreed with you. You were wrong.

        Henry has been abysmal this season. He’s not even in the top 15 in Wins. GAA or SV percentage. That includes the WHOLE season. Hope that’s a big enough body of work for ya.

        And LOL @ the start slow excuse. We’re almost midway through the season already.

        Only a fanboy would defend such poor goaltending. Critics have been saying that under the new equipment rules and not having Tort’s system of playing five goalies, that the King would have no clothes. As of now, they’re right.

        Cam played well enough in relief after Henry gave up 3 soft goals on like 10 shots to a struggling Columbus team. Not really gonna come back from that kinda hole.

        The NYR also have a better win ratio under Cam. Heck, Cam is only 4 wins behind Henry despite playing 17 less games.

        Yep, the term. “fanboy” fits nicely.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:45 AM

        And yet no one else on the board agrees with you, the only thumb up for your point being your own, I would assume.

        Lundqvist will figure it out… he always has. And if he doesn’t, well… talbot is not the answer (as a starter).

        And LOL at you saying im defending his goal tending. Pretty sure I conceded that he’s played badly. If having confidence in a player thats historically been phenomenal is being a fan boy… I guess I’m guilty. If jumping on him as soon as he has a bad year makes you a douche… well… you fit that quite well.

      • idonthavethebloodyoucrave - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:56 AM

        Rangers fans with hurt feelings don’t change the facts either. That’s the beauty about facts, they don’t care what you think. These boards aren’t a popularity contest. Just cause you vote yourself up, doesn’t make you right.

        Actually, the facts proved you wrong yet you still continued to claim Cam has somehow been more awful than Henry.

        You tried to fanboy Henry as hard as you could but were no match for pesky facts.

        Therefore, the person calling you out on it and making you look silly must be a “douche.”


  8. stratomaticfan - Dec 19, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    Here’s a discussion point: Overtime was tremendous. Full of action. Lots of chances. This game clearly points out what a joke the shoot out is. I’ll take a 10 min OT with the possibility of a tie over the silly skills competition any day. To see great play in OT cut short by the clock and have the game turned over to guys attempting trick shots to determine a winner is ridiculous.

  9. stepanup - Dec 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    No question about it, Sidney Crosby and Pittsburgh’s AHLers outperformed and out-hustled this Rangers roster. I’ve accepted it, these Blueshirts have no heart or fight, and are nothing more than marginal playmakers. Oh how things have changed. Can’t wait for this year to be over. I’d rather see Pouliot scratched nightly and get Miller more NHL experience.

  10. joey4id - Dec 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    How do you assess the performance of these two teams? The Pens d men averaged 98 NHL games per player whereas the Rangers d averaged 267 games. There were obviously a lot of mistakes made by the Pens d, and their overall transition game was very ordinary. However, you can take away a lot of positive from the game. You can certainly appreciate how well their AHL team is teaching the kids so they can come up and play with the big team. Their positional play was ok, but they made many bad decisions, which led to goals. Mistakes that will be fixed through experience.

    If you’re the struggling Rangers you’ve got to be disappointed not being able to beat the baby Pens. Not only were the Pens green on d, they were missing some top forwards. You really have to question your team readiness when you can beat a team as thin as the Pens.

    • stepanup - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      Agreed. That game was brutal. I went from being pissed that they couldn’t beat a collection of AHLers, to general acceptance that this is what the Rangers are this season.

      • cofran2004 - Dec 19, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        They need to make a trade. Several of them, actually. There is no offense on this team. Glen trades all our offense for gritty tortorella guys, and then goes and fires him and brings in vigneault. Yeah…… good call glen.

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