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NHLPA confirms Thornton will appeal suspension

Dec 17, 2013, 9:18 AM EDT

BUFFALO, NY - OCTOBER 23: Shawn Thornton #22 of the Boston Bruins warms up to play the Buffalo Sabres at First Niagara Center on October 23, 2013 in Buffalo, New York. Getty Images

Shawn Thornton has decided to appeal his 15-game NHL suspension for knocking down and repeatedly punching Pittsburgh Penguins defenseman Brooks Orpik, according to the NHLPA.

As we have previously pointed out, Thornton exercising this option doesn’t mean he’s denying wrongdoing. Instead, this appeal is a way for him to try and reduce the length of his suspension.

His actions probably also have the support of the Boston Bruins, given that team president Cam Neely said the 15-game punishment was “higher than I expected and higher than I think is warranted.”

Thornton’s appeal will go to NHL commissioner Gary Bettman. If Bettman decides to against reducing his suspension to five or fewer games, then the Boston Bruins forward will have the option to become the first NHL player since the current CBA was put into effect to further appeal his ruling to a neutral discipline arbitrator.

Meanwhile, Thornton will continue to sit out. He has already served four games of his suspension and will miss his fifth straight contest tonight.

  1. montrealbbr - Dec 17, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    What a scumbag. Take your punishment and admit that what you did was wrong! He should be lucky that he only got 15 games!

    • dropthepuckeh - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

      Habsman he admitted what he did was wrong and that he felt awful about it. Would you like a personal note of apology too? There is no precedent for suspending a player with no previous infractions for almost 20% of the season. In fact, Neal was a repeat offender who only got 5 games for deliberately kneeing someone in the head. Based on the way the league has handled suspensions, they got this one wrong.

      Maybe you should try an exercise where you don’t comment on anything related to the Bruins for a couple weeks. Or maybe the rest of the year??

      • cavafox - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:03 AM

        Oh he was sorry? Well in THAT case then it’s fine. Matt Cooke was sorry too. Derek Engelland is sorry and he is a real stand up guy so he shouldn’t be suspended. What a cop out.

  2. hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    What statement is Thornton trying to make with this appeal. That his actions were bad but not THAT bad?

    It’s an odd statement to make.

    Take the hint Thornton – the NHL wants crap like that out of hockey. So have a seat and try not to open your mouth.

    • madtolive5 - Dec 17, 2013 at 9:46 AM

      I think the statement he is trying to make is that he and now the NHLPA feel that his suspension is not consistent with the other suspensions the NHL has handed out. Also he does have the right to appeal his suspension in the CBA, so it does not make him a scumbag or wrong to exercise that right.

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

        But has there been another suspension handed out for slewfooting a man to the ice and repeatedly punching him until unconscious, hospitalizing him?

        I’m not saying he’s a scumbag (I do feel that way, it’s just not what I’m saying here), but I fully think he’s not manning up to the consequences of his actions. I don’t consider him to be “too honorable” by any stretch of the imagination. I think he clearly is sending a message, whether it be intentional or unintentional – puts the league in a position where if they lower it, they are also saying, ok what he did isn’t THAT bad.

        But it is. It’s that bad.

      • madtolive5 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        I think taking away the players right to appeal a suspension because the NHL wants to go above and beyond in punishing a player (the natural charge by the NHLPA by appealing) send a far worse message then a reduce in the suspension.

        In reality what difference does dropping the suspension make for the league? If you want to believe it or not, the NHL in its past has had worst incidents and the suspensions those players received are far more intense then this one. That didn’t stop this from happening.

        It is okay to separate the idea that the player admits wrong doing but also does not like the punishment. They are mutually exclusive.

        Just because the league is sending a message doesn’t mean the punishment fits the crime. As stated before the idea of sending a message means you are giving a harsher penalty then deserved. That doesn’t make what the NHL is doing right either to the player. That is why the Players Union exists.

      • dueman - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

        madtolive5 – Maybe you should re-read the story. Nowhere in it does it say that the NHLPA feels anything about the suspension. All it says is that the NHLPA has confirmed that Thornton is appealing it, and that is all.

      • madtolive5 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM

        Who do you think represents Thornton in the Appeal?

      • pepper2011 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

        @madtolive5- Good job! At least one someone points out what is really going on here, and understands it.
        This has more to do with PA than it does the Bruins or Thornton. The same reason why Luongo wasn’t able to rip up his contract so he could be traded.

        If anyone thinks that what Neal did was anymore of a hockey play than what Thornton did they are fooling themselves. Neal tried to INJURE a guy by kneeing him in the head. Thornton punched a guy who happened to not be able to take a punch. I’ve seen Letang through haymakers at guys while they were down on the ice.

        1:27 Sid throws two punches at Giroux while Giroux is down and official is on him

      • dueman - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM

        madtolive5 – The same people that represent Orpik, that’s who. I’m not giving an opinion on whether Thornton should or shouldn’t appeal. All I’m saying is that the NHLPA has, in no means what so ever, stated that they feel that his suspension is too long. All the NHLPA does is make sure that the players are treated according to the CBA and that is all they do. Just remember that when a player appeals, he could end up with more games too. I doubt he would, but it’s possible.

      • madtolive5 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM


        and i am saying but representing Shawn Thornton, the NHLPA is by default admitting they do not agree with the suspension.
        If they did agree that his suspension could or should be reduced, they would represent Shawn Thornton not to appeal. (See Patrick Kaleta’s second appeal)

        “On his behalf, the NHLPA has notified the NHL,” the NHL Players’ Association announced on its Twitter feed.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

        2:20 Malking throwing punches while Bergeon is down with Refs on him


        Considering no punches were landed while standing and Bergeron ended up with a giant cut on his nose; one would think it happened while on the down.

        I am not condoning Thornton’s actions, just that they are not that abnormal. What Neal did- That was just as bad and not a hockey play.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

        ZERO game suspension

      • dueman - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM

        If Kaleta wanted to appeal again, the PA would have represented him too. Just because they represent him means nothing. According to your view of things, all defense lawyers must believe that all their clients are innocent because they represent them in court. Think about it. The PA represents the CBA, not the player. The NHLPA would be doing this for any player, in any suspension situation, no matter what that player may have done.

    • montrealbbr - Dec 17, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      Boston is such a joke of a team right now. They cry to the press when one of their guys is hurt and then dont admit that what one of their guys did was cowardice and wrong! You cant have it both ways boston! Be a man and take your medicine! Admit that what you did was wrong and that you deserve your suspension!

      • jeff2000m - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        Hahaha…..typical bruin hater from montreal. Are u still upset that its been over 20 years since ur montreal pansies won a cup? I couldn’t think of a more hated team than the canadiens….it must suck watching the bruins deep run in the playoffs constantly. ..suck it up

      • amerika1313 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        You’re funny.

      • amerika1313 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM

        montreal, man, lighten up. You don’t like boston. We get it. But you need to take it easy with the crazy sweeping generalizations and just flat-out incorrect assertions. The whole team is obviously not a joke. Every team, whether in a press conference they call, or in response to a question posed by a reporter, will express disappointment and/or anger when one of their guys gets hurt. Likewise, they won’y usually throw one of their own to the wolves when they’ve done something wrong. In this case, the team has said pretty clearly that they don’t agree with what Thornton did. Thornton did, in fact, admit that what he did was wrong and that he regretted it. He never said he didn’t deserve to be suspended.

    • pepper2011 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM

      Big hit: looks ready to fight. Announcers agree.
      :12 Asham throws two punches at Schenn who is being held. (slow mo @ 2:55)
      :22 Engellend Throwing punches with guy on knees

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM

        Are these for me? I can’t view them. You can also take Engelland for 15 games, if it makes you feel better, as well as Asham. I’m all for removing all of it.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

        My point is what Thornton did isn’t that unusual. It happens more frequently that people think. What Neal did. you would be hard pressed to find another grown man professional hockey player than intentionally knees or kicks another guy in the head. If Orpik isn’t knocked out, protects himself and skates away with a fat lip it’s no different than any of the videos I posted.

        No they are not specifically for you. On a side note – you should run some updates or get a new graphics card

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        You can’t compare what Thornton did to a normal fight between two suspecting combatants. I’d like to know your feelings if John Scott did this to Seidenberg. John Scott wasn’t suspended before this year either.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

        Orpik and Thornton are the same size, Scott has about 80lbs on Seidenberg, but I get your point.

        plain and simple it wouldn’t have happened because Seidenberg or any Bruin would have put their big boy pants on.

        With the exception of the Malkin/Bergeron fight the videos I posted took place AFTER the whistle, so Yeah they are the same thing. They are, and there was more than enough time for them (Sid and Claude) to calm down.

        Basically any scrum where guys who aren’t the initiators fight/wrestle, etc… it is pretty darn close to what happened in the Thornton/Orpik incident. I have no explanation as to why Oprik had absolutely no fight of flight response. If he had any we wouldn’t still be talking about this.

  3. zico25 - Dec 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM

    That makes his apology all the more sincere, right? “I’m really sorry, genuinely torn up over what I did. Wait, what? 15 games? I’d like to amend my previous statement…”

    • madtolive5 - Dec 17, 2013 at 9:52 AM

      That is a ridiculous statement on many levels.
      He has the right in the CBA to appeal and serving less then 15 games does not mean that he is more or less sorry about his actions.

      A player can admit guilt over a wrong and still not agree with the punishment.
      Accepting, what you feel is a too harsh punishment is not an admission that you condone what you did.

      The idea of the NHL making a statement, means that the NHL is going above and beyond standard procedure. That is why the players have the right to appeal.

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:14 AM

        But that’s where I disagree with you (the last sentence) – this isn’t a situation where there is a standard procedure. You can argue the league has adopted a fairly standard procedure for hockey plays gone bad (hits to the head, etc.) – but this isn’t a hockey play at all.

        This repeated exposure (the appeal) is actually good for the league. It gives them a means to stand up and say “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”, and make their point all over again. Thornton stands a better chance of becoming the Pope than in winning that appeal, he and the Bruins organization should know it.

      • madtolive5 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

        I am just talking about what is right for all players.
        Just because a players does something wrong doesn’t mean that have to sit back and accept a punishment they don’t like. That also doesn’t mean they admit they believe what they did is right.

        In your own words…
        ” this isn’t a situation where there is a standard procedure. You can argue the league has adopted a fairly standard procedure for hockey plays gone bad (hits to the head, etc.) – but this isn’t a hockey play at all.”

        But say you are right and we assume this penalty isn’t standard producer because it isn’t a hockey play. Who says the NHL department of player safety made the right and fair call?
        Maybe more discussion is needed on the penalty, which is more then fair for the player to receive. So what you think they got it right. The player thinks he was treated unfairly. He has the right to have a second or third opinion.

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM

        It’s his right, yes. Never once did I say “he has no right”. I just think that statement, that “what I did was bad and I’m sorry, but it wasn’t THAT bad” is odd, in light of the act in question, and to a large extent classless. So basically I think it’s classless for him to disagree with the punishment.

        In my eyes, it makes him classless to bring this up again, and it’s bad for the sport.

    • zico25 - Dec 17, 2013 at 3:13 PM

      My comment wasn’t to be taken so literal, as you did madtolive5. It was meant for humor. I think players deserve to have the chance to use the appeals process.

      However, I don’t think 15 games is bad considering what he did on the ice. His infraction is way more serious than a lot of others that have occurred this season. Majority of the suspensions, besides Thornton’s, are all based on live-action plays. Thornton’s offense occurred between whistles, after it was clear he was being given repeated shifts on the ice with Oprik to try to bring justice. When Orpik said he wasn’t going to fight, Thornton then turned justice into his own version and blindly attacked a player. I know people will disagree with my assessment, but if you start allowing players to mug one another between whistles, instead of the ‘policing via fighting’, then you’re going down an even uglier road than the NHL is already on. The only other incidents I can think to relate to this are the Bertuzzi-Moore, and Simon-Ruutu.

  4. nhbsfan - Dec 17, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    Do we just grab the pitchforks and torches as we enter the thread or is it BYOTP?

    So, it’s not possible to be sorry for your actions, but feel you were punished too much for them? The NHLPA negotiated this process as part of the CBA and I’m not sure what the problem is with Thornton taking advantage of it?

    Anyways, back to the regularly scheduled Thornton and the Bruins are horrible classless losers posts.

    • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM

      He’s got every RIGHT to do so, and we’ve got every RIGHT to say he’s bringing more bad press to the sport, and that he should just shut up and take his medicine so that we don’t have to see any more clips of the play on the news. Hockey is growing, doing well, gathering more and more fans – no one needs to see this again.

      This has nothing to do with him not having the RIGHT to do it, for me it’s about what he’s saying about how he really feels about what he did, and the light it casts on the NHL.

  5. dboldave - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

    You have to look at it this way, was that 3 times as bad as what Neal did in that same game? I don’t think so. Neal and Thornton were both dirty in that game and deserve suspensions. I just don’t think it’s consistent if you give Neal only 5 games and then Thornton 15. If Neal got 8-10 games, I’d say that what Thornton got was fair.

    • Eric Broz - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM

      What Neal did was bad, but it was during play.

      What Thorton did was worse, because it happened AFTER the whistle. In sports time, A LONG TIME after the whistle.

    • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

      I disagree – I think what he did was 3 times worse.

      • dboldave - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM

        Of course you do, but with you it’s all about the laundry!

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

        And the fact that one guy is on IR and the other never missed a shift. I’ve heard a lot of talk about Neal “trying to injure” Marchand, but have never heard anyone say how they know what Neal was trying to do. Based on the violence of the play, the time it happened (in-game vs. after the whistle) and injury, yep I’d say it was at least 3 times worse.

      • dboldave - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

        Right, I’m sure Neal didn’t mean any arm as he skated into a guys head. Neal has a history and only got 5 games, Thornton had not been suspended before and got 15. Both intended on hurting the other. You really don’t see the reason that Thorton would feel an appeal is warranted here?

        This is why I feel that determining the proper punishment on an individual basis is not working in the NHL. Not with this specifically in general you need to put a set number of games you’ll miss if you screw up out there and have players, stars and fourth liners alike, all held to the same standards.

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

        I disagree, with every single sentence.

      • dboldave - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

        That’s because it involves a Boston Bruin. You will never forget how Lucic ended Miller’s career as a goaltender. Others forget, but you will not!

  6. bruinsfan55 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    Thornton knows what he did is wrong and hasn’t said it wasn’t but if Neal only gets 5 for kneeing a player in the back of the head on the ice but oh wait “it’s Only Marchand who got kneed so that makes it just fine and Neal is a star so it’s ok he can do that” and Thornton gets 15 which don’t get me wrong he deserved a suspension but maybe 10-12 games at most. And all of you saying boston is a classless city and Bruins are a classless team are obviously pretty stupid. Also Thorty has never been suspended before this or even fined and Neal has a history before that. It’s just ridiculous how inconsistent Shanaban is

    • joey4id - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

      Shanahan is not the ridiculous. You fans who keep comparing the Neal incident to Thornton act of retribution after the whistle and long after the Orpik hit on Eriksson are ridiculous. You’re too emotional to look at the incidents with objectivity so you carry no credibility.

      • amerika1313 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

        None of us have any credibility, man. We’re anonymous posters on a sports talk message board. All we have are opinions.

      • joey4id - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

        Hmm! Now that was a very credible comment. 😉

  7. joey4id - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Thornton and the rest of the NHLPA membership gave up 1/2 their salary to negotiate a CBA which they thought was fair. They are paying members of a union, and in the CBA there is a provision for appealing a suspension. The CBA provides a framework to appeal to the commissioner, and then to an arbitrator. Thornton, regardless of the act which led to the suspension, is exercising his rights as a member of the union, which was agreement between the employers and employees. What’s the big deal here? This is part a process to ensure there are no oversights and inconsistencies when handing out suspensions. If you ever played organized hockey at a competitive level, then you would understand that this has nothing to do with offender’s culpability.

    • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      No one is arguing that he doesn’t have the right to do this. No one is arguing his culpability. But culpability has nothing to do with the morality of the situation, or the irony of Thornton being the guy that feels he is “a little too honorable” while he is making this statement. For me, it’s classless, but certainly within his rights.

      • joey4id - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM

        How do you call someone classless when he is doing something that is well within his right? He fought for that right. He pays out of his pocket for that right. Don’t get me wrong. My first inclination was 20 games, then after reading the CBA I thought it would be 10 to 12. He deserves whatever he got, and I hope after the arbitration process he doesn’t go lower than 12 games.

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

        Just because he has a right to do something does not mean it’s not classless to actually do it. I guess that’s where we disagree. I have the right to bear arms – but to do it in church, or an elementary school, is classless. And before anyone says “it’s illegal”, please substitute any other location where it might be legal, but classless. And actually what I want is no more bad publicity for the sport. Thornton is thinking of Thornton, not hockey. I don’t want kids watching that clip and thinking things like that are even within the realm of reality.

        (Yes, I realize that Thornton was not packing heat at the time of the hockey game, it’s just an example).

      • joey4id - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

        Then I have to say that classless is in the eye of the beholder. To many the right to bear arms permits them to do it in a church (I’m not taking sides here on the gun debate). Some can be concerned that a looney would bring a gun in church with the intent to shot. So, he brings his gun for protection. That’s not classless in my opinion. But! I like the exchange we’re having. Cheers! :-)

  8. amityvillefun - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    Thornton has no history of losing his mind and doing dumb things on the ice. This was the first time in his long career of being an enforcer he ever made a mistake. That says a lot for a guy that takes on that kind of role. He might be the very best in the league at his job – at least when it comes to knowing when and where to go and when to stand up. This time, he screwed up, but he had several reasons to get pissed off. Enough was enough.

    Pittsburgh took out Eriksson, broke Kelly’s leg, and kneed Marchand in the head. Clearly, Pittsburgh was out to injure Boston that game, and they succeeded.

    All I can say is, good luck next time these teams meet. Boston is far tougher and I think they are going to be mad as hell about how all this went down. You want Eriksson to “keep his head up?” Crosby, Malkin and Letang would be wise to do the same next time they play the Bruins.

    Pens fans act like none of the other incidents happened, or that Thornton just snapped for no reason. He had THREE reasons. Plus, the night before, Boychuk was injured and went out on a stretcher. It’s his job to protect his teammates.

    Why the hell isn’t anyone making a bigger deal out of the slash that broke Kelly’s leg??

    • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

      Because the slash was a hockey play gone bad – both players were swinging for the puck. Kelly actually skated in to get that body position, between Dupuis and the puck. It was unfortunate, but a hockey play.

      Thornton’s little “issue” was not a hockey play, it was a violent act of a man that’s had one too many concussions and now can’t piece together right from wrong, honor from fantasy.

      And he DOES now have a history – this is what he’ll be best remembered for. Swallow it.

      • amityvillefun - Dec 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

        Keep hating dude. As for concussions, your Golden Boy has had more than his share.

        I guess kneeing people in the frigging head is also a “hockey play,” right?

        Honestly, I don’t even care that the Bruins didn’t win the Cup last year. Just sweeping your sorry ass losers was victory enough.

        Keep on the look out for “clean hockey hits” like Orpik’s. Crosby probably can’t take more than 1 or 2 more before he’s forced to retire.

      • hockey412 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:07 AM

        You’re telling ME to keep hating?

  9. jcmeyer10 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Give Neal more or Thornton less.

  10. jhuck92 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    What he did was basically jump someone. If you did that on the street, you’d go to jail for it. He’s lucky he only got 15 games.

  11. budzo83 - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    There’s a lot comments here battling for some kind of moral high ground. Let’s get it out of the way that Thornton’s actions were inexcusable and no doubt if he could jump in the Delorean and take it back, he would. To everyone that says that he needs to “shut up and take the punishment”, I think you’re being short sighted. As other posters have mentioned, appealing the suspension has little to do responsibility and culpability for the act. I would say it has everything to do with the 15 games worth of salary that he will be forfeitting.

    Anyone can prognosticate about what Thornton should or shouldn’t do, or that he’s a scumbag if appeals, but the one thing I know about people is that they react when someone tries to mess with their paycheck (or paycheque depending on your geography). To say that you wouldn’t do the same thing is a joke.

    The best case scenario for Thornton is that it goes to an arbitrator and he gets 2-3 games knocked off. I think that’s a long shot for him because I think the League is trying to make a point here. The bottom line is that Thornton is a dues paying member of a union and why wouldn’t he let his union dues work for him and rather than just sit back and eat all of that salary? So that people will think he’s a nice guy? I would bet everything I own that everyone advocating for him to do that would still think he’s a scumbag.

  12. sporkov - Dec 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Hope they get to the arbitrator and he decides to lengthen the suspension.

  13. stratomaticfan - Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    This is the closest thing I’ve seen…..1 game suspension.

    Carkner on Boyle

    • hockeydon10 - Dec 17, 2013 at 2:02 PM

      Good find. Especially right before hosewater2’s post.

  14. hosewater2 - Dec 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Don’t know where the analogies to Neal’s infraction come into play. This Thornton thing is just way out of bounds, 15 games is totally legit. Bertuzzi got 20 games and was genuinely remorseful as people claim Thornton is.

    Guys, he punched a player down on the ice in a defenseless position. All respectable heavyweights hold punches when a guy goes down.

  15. joey4id - Dec 17, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    It was reported that the commish has the option to maintain the suspension as is, increase, or decrease it. I would expect that GB will maintain it as is because he certainly should not throw Shanahan under the bus, and one has to think that Betman was consulted before Shanny announced the 15 game suspension. The hearing will be Friday morning so more NHL drama to look forward to.

  16. botlecap - Dec 17, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Originally I thought 15 games was fair, but a bit high. After consider other suspensions and the Emery-Holtby incident though, I now think 15 games is far too many.

    The league doesn’t suspend players for forcing other players to fight. The league doesn’t suspend players for injuring other players during a fight. Whatever you think about that situation, it is what it is. So basically he was suspended 15 games for a slew foot. Many other players haven’t been suspended at all for that action, receiving only fines instead.

    If Orpik hadn’t been knocked out and wheeled off the ice, would any supplementary discipline have occurred? I don’t think so. Emery wasn’t suspended.

    Again, whatever you think of what happened, the league’s complete inability to apply consistent standards complicates these issues. It seems Thornton is getting more than he otherwise would due to the (bad) publicity of the Emery-Holtby fiasco.

    • botlecap - Dec 18, 2013 at 12:06 AM

      Also wasn’t it Orpik who threw the hit that had Marchand down and shaken up on the ice (thus giving Neal the opportunity to knee him)? That seems to be getting lost in a lot of this discussion. And all this was only 11 m into the game.

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