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Montreal columnist echoes Carlyle, rips Pacioretty’s ‘hot-dog goal celebration’

Dec 16, 2013, 2:50 PM EDT

It seems Max Pacioretty‘s signature goal celebration is drawing more ire.

Just a few weeks after Toronto head coach Randy Carlyle took issue with Pacioretty dangling his stick like a sword after scoring against the Leafs, Montreal Gazette columnist Jack Todd critiqued the move as well.

Todd listed Pacioretty as one of the ‘zeroes’ in the ‘Heroes and Zeroes’ part of his most recent column, then took to Twitter to further explain his stance:

Todd’s remarks came in the wake of Pacioretty’s latest sword routine —  after he scored the game-winning OT goal in Sunday’s 1-0 win over the Islanders:

As mentioned above, he pulled a near-identical move on Nov. 30 against the Leafs after scoring his second goal of the game.

“The goal stirred our emotions a bit,” said Carlyle. “If they want to hot dog, spin the sword, those kind of things… That was what stirred the pot.”

  1. stangz11 - Dec 16, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    How the heck is that offensive?

    If you don’t wanna see it, don’t let him score

    • thailer35 - Dec 16, 2013 at 4:31 PM

      Agreed. Can you imagine how they must feel about all of these:

      • 950003cups - Dec 16, 2013 at 4:34 PM

        Nothing was wrong with that. He wasn’t taunting anyone.

      • ruleej32 - Dec 16, 2013 at 5:45 PM

        HUH? Does Carlyle look away when Nazem Kadri celebrates like he just won the cup? Or what about when Orr taunts the crowd and other guys after winning a fight…cmon Randy don’t get your panties in a bunch. Typical Montreal media too…no wonder free agents don’t want to come here. Lets piss off one of our best players over a mild celly…get a fn life.

  2. montrealbbr - Dec 16, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    He did nothing wrong. He celebrated a little after a big goal!

  3. hosewater2 - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    Act like you’ve done it before, this isn’t the NFL.

    • idonthavethebloodyoucrave - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM

      You’re right. If hockey was like the NFL, they’d have 4 times more people watching it and wouldn’t be a 1/10th of their revenue.

      • jjregan21 - Dec 16, 2013 at 4:15 PM

        Really? The lack of dancing and unnecessary celebrations are what keeps hockey less popular? The blue collar, hardworking nature of the sport is what defines it among other sports.

      • ikillchicken - Dec 16, 2013 at 6:08 PM

        It’s extremely stupid to imply that the NHL is the only hard working sport.

  4. dboldave - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    I hate the Habs and especially Pacioretty but this is a non-story if you ask me. And if this sort of “hot dogging” upsets you, don’t ever watch the NBA or NFL, you’ll have a heart attack!

  5. titansbro - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    I get the whole, “if you don’t want to see it don’t let him score” thing. But please don’t let hockey turn into the NBA or even the NFL where there has to be a sack dance, a first down dance, a TD dance, or whatever. Oh god no, it’s soooo annoying.

    • hosewater2 - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:07 PM

      You’re forgetting the dance for making a tackle on KO return.

      • 950003cups - Dec 16, 2013 at 6:26 PM

        Or the MLB when they get a HR the whole team jumps up and down at Home Plate while the runner throws the helmet and leaps to the plate. Or the “walk-off run” when they pie the guy in the face in celebration.

  6. elvispocomo - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    Really, this is upsetting for Carlyle? It’s a fun little thing after a goal – in fact it’s much less of a showboat than Teemu’s great celebration of throwing his glove in the air and shooting it. It’s no different than dragging your glove on the ice, jumping into the glass or riding your stick like a horse. It brings a little character to the game.

  7. nyrnashty - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    And people felt bad for that scrub when Chara put him in his place. The beauty of hockey is what goes around comes around.

    • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      That’s why Chicago going directly through Chara on their way to winning the Stanley Cup, after they explicity said they were going directly through Chara on their way to winning the Stanley Cup was so, Karma, if you will.

    • montrealbbr - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:41 PM

      Typical classless boston fans still making fun of a guy for having his neck broken by that big stiff of a defencemen. Of course you will go cry about Eriksson and Savard though.

      And how did Pacioretty do when the bruins played him last? 2 goals and 1 knockout hit to a boston scrub! That is some karma right there!

  8. joey4id - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    idk, jack “When team is going bad, a choreographed, hot-dog goal celebration is just so wrong.” Is he saying that it’s ok to hot-dog, if indeed we can call that celebration hot dogging, when things are going good? There are differences between pre-gen x, gen x, and gen y populations as there one day will be one between gen y & z. Notice how it is the gen x that complain mostly; as in Oates complaining about Hertel’s move and Carlyle about Pacioretty. Accept that the old times are changing and embrace the new. Yes there limits to hot-dogging, but, was Pacioretty really that bad?

  9. stcrowe - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    When I was a kid, it was fun to watch guys like Dave “Tiger” Williams and Mike Foligno celebrate goals. I didn’t see any complaints back then. Now, we have people criticizing anything more than a raising of the stick, like players should be robotic.

    By today’s standards, some might criticize Wayne Gretzky for that fist pump that he used to do back in the 80s. Was he being disrespectful? Should we look back in disapproval at Bobby Orr flying through the air when he scored the Stanley Cup winner in 1970?

    Give it a rest. There are things much more wrong with the game of hockey than goal celebrations.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - Dec 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM

      I didn’t like Williams or Foligno back then either. I don’t recall 99 doing a big pump for every goal. He would have worn himself out. As for Orr, an OT goal to win your team’s first Cup in 29 years is call for maximum celebration, and half his flight was courtesy of Noel Picard’s stick between his legs. Look at Orr’s reaction to most of his 270 regular season goals. Seriously. Tap tap with the stick, quick pat on the back, line up for the face off. Not robotic, happy, just not a clown.
      Yes, there are other issues in the NHL, but some of us can ponder more than one in a day. That other things might also be important to some folks has never been a very strong argument against discussing the matter at hand.

  10. tjvalley - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    I respect that Max was happy to score…who wouldn’t be. But the islanders are in a terrible funk and after a good game to lose like that sucks and it’s not cool to act like that. Either way it was a good goal and Hicky and Ness should be embarrassed for letting them run around like that in their zone. It’s just another example of how shaky and inexperienced the isles defense is. As an islanders fan…it blows to watch.

    • anthj99 - Dec 16, 2013 at 4:42 PM


  11. 7mantel - Dec 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    dboldave hit the nail right on the head !

  12. uscthom78 - Dec 16, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    The emo crowd is infiltrating the hockey world….NO!!!!!!

  13. travishenryskid - Dec 16, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Hockey forgets that it’s in the entertainment business. A little more personality would do wonders for this sport. It’s hard to market a bunch of robots.

    • hockeyflow33 - Dec 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM

      The more you post, the more obvious it becomes that you don’t watch or like hockey.

  14. mclovinhockey - Dec 16, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Main problem I have with this, is that he should have done it the way the did it in D2. Haha

  15. hockeyflow33 - Dec 16, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    I was expecting a Yakupov-like celly but this was nothing.

  16. logicalcomment - Dec 16, 2013 at 6:19 PM


    “When team is going bad”

    2 losses after going 9-0-1 and the team is going bad

    i guess he expects them to win 82 games

  17. stunzeed5 - Dec 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    I LOVE it when Ovie celebrates his goals!!!

    • nothanksimdriving123 - Dec 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM

      Situation matters, and this is NOT meant to be about Ovie, but players in general. In OT, celebrate. Tied the game late, celebrate. Set a record, and are winning, happy day. Trailing 6-1 and you net even your 50th at 19:53 of the 3rd? Take a few pats on the back and head to center for the face off. Always look like you understand it’s a team sport and that losing sucks.

  18. theskinsman - Dec 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Bruins fan here, despise Montreal almost as much as the Pens and Canucks…but there was nothing wrong here. Whiny coach, whiny fans in Montreal…go call the police! Somebody hurt your feelings again. pathetic to complain about that.

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