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Pens updates: Wednesday hearing for Engelland, more on Malkin, Letang

Dec 14, 2013, 11:32 PM EDT

Evgeni Malkin AP

The Pittsburgh Penguins beat the Detroit Red Wings 4-1 on Saturday, yet that final score was far from the biggest news. Here are three updates on other stories that emerged from this evening:

Deryk Engelland will face an in-person hearing with the league regarding his check on Justin Abdelkader, according to the NHL’s Player Safety Twitter feed. That opens the door for a potentially longer suspension. Here’s video of that hit:

Engelland, 31, has one three-game suspension on his NHL resume.

In injury news: Evgeni Malkin suffered a lower-body injury during Saturday’s game while Kris Letang missed it altogether with an upper-body issue. More might be known on Sunday; for the moment, head coach Dan Bylsma said he wasn’t sure if either problem might be long-term.

Pittsburgh already came into tonight banged up, but things could just get worse over the next few days.

  1. ash0war - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    A little banged up is an understatement…. Injuries and the two suspensions equals 11 players out for the penguins that’s a crazy number….

  2. packerswin96 - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    What is the defensive player supposed to do there? NHL change the God damn equipment, that is what is causing 95% of these injuries.

    • stakex - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:47 PM

      I agree with changing the equipment. Solid plastic elbow/shoulder pads are a blight when it comes to injuries.

      However the over extension of the elbow through the head was not needed one bit on that play. If he keeps it tucked, its a clean hit.

    • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

      Two words to describe this hit; “Head shot”. No can do. He drove his shoulder right through Abdelkader chin. Never touched his body, and his elbow hot nothing but air. And! Yes! They need to look at the equipment.

      • seanobi - Dec 19, 2013 at 3:00 PM

        Wow A Penguins fan complaining about a head shot? that’s funny coming from the dirtiest/cheapshot,cowardly, diving team in the NHL..

      • joey4id - Dec 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        I’m not a Pens fan.

  3. orrbourquechara - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    No doubt Penguins fans (apologists) feel Abelkader lowered his head into his shoulder.

  4. billsboy88 - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    Had no idea that Engelland was 31. Really wish I could have seen this game, blacked out here for some reason.

  5. orrbourquechara - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    2 Penguin ‘in person’ hearings in a week. Dupuis broke Kelly’s leg with a hack with no call. Orpik have Erickson a concussion with a (questionable) hit. Hmmmm

    • killerpgh - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:53 PM

      Who was the 1st in person hearing?

    • lindbergh9 - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:57 AM

      Any chance you catch the Bruin game tonight in Vancouver? lol

      • theskinsman - Dec 15, 2013 at 4:36 AM

        lindbergh9, any chance you caught the standings? lol

    • timmons94 - Dec 15, 2013 at 11:24 AM

      wah wah wah….Chris Kelly stinks anyways…and if u would take off your blinders,, Kelly got away with 2 blatant cheap shiots with Conner- who of course is a lot smaller than tough guy wanna be Kelly…Kelly stinks

      Engelland deserves suspended, was it as cheap as Lucic using his stick to Lightning players neck a few years back and he walked clean..heck no…

      u beat us last year, hooray….then u had one of the biggest gag jobs ever in game 6….means nothing without the cup.

      nice effort last night in Vancouver…Marchand does a lot of talking, not a lot of anything else positive. 13 pts ???? wow…impressive…

      • nunan - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:39 PM

        You know how we know the Bruins are in your head? You spend your time commenting on them in a blog post that has nothing to do with them…typical fan envy…clearly you hate the match-up bc you know, when it comes down to it, the Bs would beat the Penguins again if seasons were on the line…hell, they beat them even when the season isn’t on the line. Still only as good as they were last year…which isn’t going to cut it, obviously.

      • kastout11 - Dec 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM

        Bitter Penguins fan. What else is new? The Bruins beat down the Pens last year, plain and simple. Get over it. If they meet in the playoffs this year, you will see the same result. The Pens are not built for the postseason. Their defense is not good enough to win a cup. Unless they can trade Letang and Fleury and get a better goaltender, they will suffer the same reult that they have the last few season; an early exit from the playoffs.

  6. killerpgh - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Surprised he’s getting an in person hearing. So he’s out for tomorrow nights game against the Leafs. Guessing Harrington get called up for the game. The 6 guys that dress on defense tomorrow night might have a total around 575 career games between them. And 444 come from Niskanen. Should be interest on the back end tomorrow night.

    • theageofquarrel - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM

      They play monday night

      • killerpgh - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:01 AM

        My bad. I forgot this was the back half of back-to-back for them. Hopefully that extra day means Letang can get back in the line-up for Monday night.

  7. steelers88 - Dec 14, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    I don’t know. I think Engelland should be suspended 5-6 games. As for Letang he was a game time decision tonight I would think his injury isn’t that bad. Malkin however I’m not so sure. The good news is he was walking around after the game.

    • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM

      Say goodbye to Engelland for a while.

      (c) A disciplinary suspension of zero (0) to five (5) games, in which case the Player will have the right to a telephonic hearing, as set forth in Section 18.8; or

      (d) A disciplinary suspension of six (6) or more games, in which case the Player will have the right to an in-person hearing, as set forth in Section 18.9.

      • hazlydose - Dec 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM

        An in person hearing doesn’t necessarily mean 6+ games. It can be less than six. All an in person hearing means is that the option for more than 5 games is open to Shanahan.

      • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 11:58 AM

        We know it’s going to be a minimum of 5 games otherwise he he would have scheduled a telephone hearing

        In-Person Hearing (6 or More Games). If the preliminary review indicates that a suspension of six (6) or more games may be appropriate and/or further investigation is required,
        an in-person hearing will be conducted

      • killerpgh - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:40 PM

        No where in there does it state that a player must be suspended more than 5 games for an in person hearing. It’s just that he can be suspended longer than 5 games. Just like there has been players who had phone hearings and got nothing. There has been times were players having in-person hearing have got less than 5.

      • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:45 PM

        I don’t recall any that have had less than 5 after an in person hearing. Can you name just one?

      • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 1:02 PM

        The following is pretty clear to me;
        A Player who is subject to supplementary discipline shall receive notification of the pending disciplinary proceeding and the grounds for the proposed discipline by means of an NHLPA-hosted extranet site immediately after the decision to hold a hearing is made. A copy of the notice shall also be sent to the NHLPA. For suspensions of six (6) or more games, the notice shall inform the Player that he has a right to an in-person hearing and that if he intends to waive his right to an in-person hearing he should immediately consult with the NHLPA before making his decision.

      • killerpgh - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        Arron Asham had a in person hearing for cross check Schenn and got 4 games.

      • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:45 PM

        disregard previous comment.

      • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:47 PM

        That was under the old CBA. I need to refer to the old CBA before I can comment further.

      • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:56 PM

        There is absolutely nothing in the last CBA that references in house/telephone hearings and number of games that a player can be suspended based on the type of hearing. Since the new CBA was signed early this year I don’t recall one player being suspended for less than 5 games following an in person hearing.

      • killerpgh - Dec 15, 2013 at 1:06 PM

        Maxim Lapierre had an in person hearing this year and got 5 games.

      • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        That’s the minimum all players who were summoned to the NHL offices rec’d. under the new CBA; Garbutt (5), Kaletta (10), Scott (7) Lapierre (5), Mcleod (5), White (5), and Thornton (15). Pretty safe to say he will get at least 5. What do you think?

      • killerpgh - Dec 15, 2013 at 2:14 PM

        Not sure what he’ll get. I would guess the NHL might go 5 since it’s in-person and 2nd offense, but you never know. That’s not what I would give him, but what I think Shanny will. I’m not of the thinking that every shoulder check that makes contact to the head needs to be a suspension. His elbow flairs up after the hit and that makes it look bad, but doesn’t have anything to do with the actual head contact. It’s all shoulder that makes contact. Engelland positioned himself properly for the play, but didn’t get low enough. He took the right angle and went for stick on puck and shoulder to the body. The way you are supposed to play that way if you miss puck or the body hopefully both don’t get behind you.

      • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        It was on Engelland to avoid primary contact to the head, and I agree with you that the elbow had nothing to do with causing the blow to the head. It was all shoulder to chin. We all know what happens when today’s protective elbow and shoulder pads make contact with the head. You would think that someone would want to look at that aspect of the equation to make the game safer. Did you see the hit Eller laid on Tavares last night? That was text book shoulder to shoulder.

  8. ash0war - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    The only in person hearing this week or last week for the Pittsburgh Penguins was Derek England I’m not sure who else he’s talking about lol I think he’s just one of those Boston fans.

  9. muckleflugga - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    structure of equipment is immaterial, but helps people rationalize engelland’s stupidity…a shoulder, naked, driven into someone’s face would produce the same result

    engelland had the entire play in front of him, he saw the puck, he saw abdelkader’s angle, he saw the puck chipped past him, he had every opportunity to wheel and simply control abdelkader by running him off

    instead, he looked into abdelkader’s eyes, took aim with his shoulder and elbow, then stepped-in with intent to harm

    an in person hearing in this climate…four minimum; after penguins’ behind the scenes posturing on orpik…could be more

    • drone501 - Dec 15, 2013 at 10:49 AM

      bet your not even a hockey fan but you probably stayed at a holiday inn express last night.

    • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      Wow! You actually made sense this time. But! I need to make a small correction. In person hearing means more than 4.

      (c) A disciplinary suspension of zero (0) to five (5) games, in which case the Player will have the right to a telephonic hearing, as set forth in Section 18.8; or

      (d) A disciplinary suspension of six (6) or more games, in which case the Player will have the right to an in-person hearing, as set forth in Section 18.9.

  10. jimw81 - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    i hope Deryk Engelland enjoys his 10 game suspension. oops thats right he’s a penguin, he’ll be lucky to get a game.

    • pens5829 - Dec 15, 2013 at 12:30 AM

      And there folks is another pea-brain with a keyboard heard from…

      • jimw81 - Dec 15, 2013 at 9:59 AM

        dont worry, your owner is writing a letter to bettman on Engelland behalf to tell not to suspend him.

    • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

      jimw81, don’t be ignorant because he hate the Pens. You know he’ll get suspended for a direct head hot. Principal point of contact was the head, and that means a suspension. C’mon man! Be real.

  11. chanceoffleury - Dec 15, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    Letang’s “injury” might be migraines. He misses a decent amount of practices with them. It’d have to be a pretty bad migraine though to miss a game like this where 3 of the top 4 are already out. But the brain is also an organ you really don’t want to take chances with so maybe the Pens are just playing it safe and using it as an opportunity to let the baby pens get some valuable NHL minutes. The fact they keep on winning is definitely helping their trade value if it ever comes to that point! Or maybe it’s a completely different injury that has nothing to do with migraines. Haha, I understand why they do it but JEEZ I hate the vagueness of injuries!!!!

  12. jhaegs - Dec 15, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    PHT: “Here’s the video… NOT!!!” 😈

  13. Stiller43 - Dec 15, 2013 at 2:20 AM

    “He’ll be lucky to get a game”

    Uhh he’ll likely miss more than that waiting for the hearing/results of the hearing. If there was no suspension or if it was under 5, why not have a phone hearing? I hope you morons are just trolls and not really this biased and/or dumb

  14. mclovinhockey - Dec 15, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    This isn’t half as bad as what Neal did… How did Neal not get an in person hearing?

    • joey4id - Dec 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM

      Because Marchand didn’t miss a shift. I’m not saying I agree, just saying what it is.

  15. cdngolfer - Dec 15, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    I thought it was just me where the videos are not there.
    What gives?

  16. spitfisher - Dec 15, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    Pittsburgh targeting the head, well what a surprise.

    • pens5829 - Dec 15, 2013 at 9:50 AM

      A surprise would be you stating something, anything, remotely intelligent…

  17. holeecowman - Dec 15, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    to bad for malkin that’s messed up, as for engelland another bush league head shot by the pens they have been dishing these out for a long time and will continue to do so I guess the hockey gods or karma decided malkins fate on that play for all the head hunting this team does, hope its not to serious.

  18. buckeye044 - Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    Stop all the whining about injuries everybody has them. There isn’t much of that coming from Lumbus who is down their top 4 salaried players and on 3rd goalie, yet still playing hard with no excuses.

  19. tlndma - Dec 15, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    There was no intent here. He went to play the puck and then the body,when Abdelkader pushed the puck by him. Abdelkader put himself in a lousy position. There are going to be hits to the head in hockey. Not all of them are intentional.

  20. cavafox - Dec 15, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    So shannaban is making it clear. If you are a 40 goal scorer and headshot a pest then it’s fine. If you are an average defensive man and headshot a star, expect an in person.

    • jeffchadwick - Dec 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      Actually, I think the rule is that it’s ok to headshot a Red Wing (Cowen, Shea Weber), just don’t be blatant about it.

  21. zico25 - Dec 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Everyone forgets this game happens at full speed, not slow motion replays. Engelland didn’t have to go about it the way he did, so he deserves a suspension. However, if you watch the replay Abdelkader lunges for the puck the same instant Engelland decides to step up. Unfortunate timing, but it certainly didn’t help the issue. Either way, Engelland can’t lead with his arm and shoulder like that. Needs to keep it tucked. THAT is what is illegal about the play.

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