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No hearing for Emelin after Downie elbow

Dec 13, 2013, 10:48 AM EDT

Montreal defenseman Alexei Emelin has no disciplinary hearing scheduled for his elbow on Philadelphia’s Steve Downie, CBC’s Elliotte Friedman reports.

Emelin was given a five-minute elbowing major and game misconduct for a hit late in the second period of Thursday’s 2-1 loss, as seen here:

The incident caused some confusion. No penalty was initially called on the play but, after some discussion, Emelin was informed of his fate and forced to leave the Montreal bench, ending his night.

There was some concern for Downie. The Philly forward has a history of concussions — he missed four games earlier this season after suffering one during a fight with Washington’s Aaron Volpatti — and needed help leaving the ice.

Downie did return to the Flyers bench for the start of the third period and played 6:44, finishing with 18:29 TOI for the game.

  1. jpelle82 - Dec 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    downie should have a hearing for his embellishment

  2. joey4id - Dec 13, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Hmmm! On the one hand it was a deliberate elbow, and on the other, true to the CBA since Downie did not suffer a an injury there is no suspension.

  3. sjsharks66 - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Give it up for Downie, he really had everyone believing he was hurt.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM

      downie dives for a case of tastycakes!

  4. montrealbbr - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    He did nothing wrong and I was hoping that Downie would have a hearing for the acting job he did.

    • elvispocomo - Dec 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

      Well, sticking his elbow out is wrong. Saying Emelin did nothing is disingenuous.

      Emelin is looking at him the whole way in and not the puck, and adjusts at the last second to Downie trying to get around him by putting his arm back. That certainly deserved the penalty that was eventually called, the question is does it deserve more than that?

      • mikebel11 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

        What video are you watching? From every angle you can see that Emelins elbow is tucked to his side and only comes up as a result of his arm connecting with Downies shoulder. It may have brushed his head but it was certainly not the principle point of contact, nor was it an intentional elbow.

        However I don’t agree with everyone saying Downie embellished it. Downie has a hearing aide in his right ear. He’s shown in the past that when some hits or touches that hearing aide he has a very animated reaction, as well you should. It’s an extremely important and expensive piece of equipment. It looks like the reaction was about the hearing aide but when he realized it caused a commotion he played it up a bit to make sure the call was made.

      • elvispocomo - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM

        Wow. Really? It’s making contact with Downie that pushes his arm up and elbow out? Keep on believing that.

      • mikebel11 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        Watch the video. It’s pretty clear. His elbow is at his side until his arm contacts Downie. When you slam into things at high speed things get displaced and move. Simple 3rd grade science. And obviously Mr. Shanahan saw the same thing, so your argument is moot anyway.

      • elvispocomo - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:07 PM

        I never said anything about Emelin deserving a suspension, just that the call on the ice was deserved. I’m not sure how anything Shanahan says makes that moot.

        3rd grade science? Really? His elbow starts at his side but moves when Downie starts to go around him, a reaction to potentially missing the hit. There’s no angle that shows Emelin’s arm getting hit in such a way that any of Downie’s momentum (that’s physics by the way) would transfer to Emelin and cause his elbow to go out and towards the middle of the ice.

        If there was contact prior to the elbow, momentum would cause Emelin’s arm to push in tighter to his body or in the very least away from Downie – not towards him.

      • mikebel11 - Dec 13, 2013 at 7:06 PM

        Well the last sentence of your original comment questions the decision not to suspend him so yes you did mention a suspension. And shanahan reviewing it and not suspending him tells us all that you’re incorrect in your elbow judgement therefore your argument is moot.

        Congratulations on passing third grade and getting all the way to physics but the elbow is a joint and can bend different ways based on where and how it’s hit. (There’s some biology in there for you by the way). The reverse angle shows emelins fore arm connecting first and pushing his elbow up, which never connects with downies head. This video unfortunately does not have that angle but they did play it on the tsn-habs broadcast, which is why there is no suspension.

      • elvispocomo - Dec 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

        You’ll need to brush up on your reading skills. It doesn’t I question the decision not to suspend him, only that the question was whether or not this was suspendable. What isn’t in question is that the play deserved a penalty – just because it didn’t receive a suspension doesn’t mean it wasn’t an elbow.

        “Oh, hey, maybe you were watching the video linked in this article when I questioned what you saw, since clearly I saw it differently in another video you probably don’t even know about let alone probably haven’t seen.” Thanks, that make much more sense…

        I didn’t say he made significant contact with the elbow, just that he stuck his elbow out. I’ve also said his elbow didn’t get bumped out away from his body, but that he chicken-winged it when Downie was about to go around him. I do believe he made a bit of contact with his elbow, although it doesn’t appear to be all that much (and I said as much in a comment in reply to an earlier poster). That’s why there wasn’t a suspension.

  5. drewsylvania - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    The bad joke that is the NHL’s punishment system continues.

  6. phillyphannnn83 - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Don’t ever say Philly fans can’t be objective because I’m agreeing with you guys here. I think Emelin attempted to chicken wing Downie but whiffed. I watched the game live and one of the replays on CSN looked like Emelin completely missed. In not one replay do you see Downie’s helmet move, which even the slighest head shot would cause. I think the lack of a suspension supports this theory.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

      eh. i think his elbow looked pretty well tucked in and he was positioned for a shoulder hit, downie just stayed low. couldve been a lot worse for sure. still doesnt explain the backwards flail by downie a full second after the miss.

      • laxman1944 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM

        eh…..he aimed and he lined him up the whole time take off your freaking blinders “Pelle”

        My gosh your utter hatred for the Flyer orginization is sad.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

        yup lined him up for a hit with his elbow down. watch the video again. and i didnt say anything about the flyers organization, what are you talking about?

    • drewsylvania - Dec 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM

      I think Emelin did get him with the chicken wing. Downie’s helmet *does* move, albeit not a lot. Then Downie flops.

      Franklin, I think Emelin should be suspended simply because it’s obvious that he headhunts.

    • kellyb9 - Dec 13, 2013 at 12:33 PM

      It still doesn’t sufficiently explain why he exited for the remainder of the period. Obviously, he was concerned to some extent that he could have suffered a concussion. Glad he wasnt suspended… didn’t really seem “suspendable” in my book. On a completely unrelated note, Is it bad that I know the first 3 comments of every Flyers article will be a bunch of trolling Pens fans and a Sharks(?) fan?

      • ibieiniid - Dec 13, 2013 at 12:57 PM

        don’t let him fool you, he’s a Pens fan too.

  7. sabatimus - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Fire Shanahan.

    • joey4id - Dec 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM

      It’s so easy to call for someone to be fired without offering any substance. Is it because you don’t like him?

      • sabatimus - Dec 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

        What? Do I really have to offer substance about this on PHT, where Shanahan’s ineptitude is at least a weekly occurrence? You can read all those instances for yourself. Or were you joking?

      • joey4id - Dec 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

        Are your opinions based on those of the others? Use your brain and tell us why YOU think he should go.

      • sabatimus - Dec 13, 2013 at 9:38 PM

        You’re kidding, right? I express my opinion on at least 80% of what Shanahan does, with what I think is factual evidence.

        At this point, you’re basically trolling, so I’ll leave you to your private hell.

      • joey4id - Dec 13, 2013 at 10:08 PM

        Yeah! Right! I express my opinion on at least 80% of the articles here. So, how can you possibly suggest that I troll? Oh! Wait! Perhaps for the same reason I don’t remember your posts.

  8. drewsylvania - Dec 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Anyone else think Downie’s flop (and tendency to be a dangerous player) led to no hearing?

    • elvispocomo - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

      There is some question over just how much contact there actually was, but Downie’s soccer-esque flop afterwards definitely didn’t help convince anyone this needed a suspension.

  9. sjsharks66 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Pens fan here. The Sharks name is a front. Never watched a game in San Jose before. Never been to a game. Hell, who is their captain?

    All I know is Crosby. He is the besssssst.

    • laxman1944 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      Too clever…….much too clever…… go untie Sid from your basement quite room and let him go home to Mario.


  10. sjsharks66 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    “Expensive equipment” do you really think he can’t afford it/has to pay for it?

    • mikebel11 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

      No I don’t think he’d have trouble paying for it all. Just pointing out that it’s something he obviously needs to take care of.

  11. sjsharks66 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Oh, for the reason leaving the rest of the period. Gotcha dude. My bad!

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