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Thornton’s hearing set for Friday

Dec 10, 2013, 11:47 AM EDT

From TSN’s Bob McKenzie:

Thornton was offered the in-person hearing in accordance with the CBA, as it’s likely the suspension for his altercation with Pittsburgh defenseman Brooks Orpik will exceed five games.

From, a recap of what happened Saturday in Boston, and what Thornton is facing discipline-wise:

At 11:06 of the first period, Thornton confronted Orpik in a scrum, pulling him to the ice and throwing punches. Orpik was removed from the ice on a stretcher. The Penguins announced after the game he would travel with the team back to Pittsburgh; he had been taken to a local hospital, where he was alert and conscious.

Thornton was assessed a match penalty on the play.

The following grounds are being considered for supplemental discipline: rule 46.2, aggressor and rule 46.15, match penalty.

For now, Thornton is suspended indefinitely. The Bruins play Tuesday in Calgary, Thursday in Edmonton, and Saturday in Vancouver (their first game at Rogers Arena since winning the 2011 Stanley Cup there) before returning home to face the Flames on Dec. 17.

110 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. upyourstodd - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    10 games is a nice, even number.

    • hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:53 AM

      So is 4,000.

      • upyourstodd - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:56 AM

        4,000 games is alot of games.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        100 billion games.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:14 PM


        on another note, I spelled didgeridoo correctly without the help of spell check. I’m proud.

    • imleftcoast - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM

      Marty McSorley got 23 games for the Brashear incident. Why should Thorton get much less for the same action and same injury? Twenty games would be consistent with past practice.

      • upyourstodd - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        I hate what Thornton did. Made me sick. While Thornton did assault Orpik, I have a sneaking suspicion that using your stick as a weapon is higher on the scale of deplorable actions. Regardless of the determination of how many games Shannahan decides, not everyone will be happy. Thats why I guessed 10.

      • joey4id - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:14 PM

        You know. I had the same thought. However, using your elbow bad which is made up of protective fiberglass, I’m not sure if it is worst. Certainly from a viewership perspective it looks worse when using your stick.

      • steelhammer92 - Dec 10, 2013 at 5:34 PM

        The McSorley incident was nearly 14 years ago. Times have changed in the NHL. They are much more aggressive with suspending than they were back then. I don’t know how long they’ll give Thronton, but I wouldn’t use a suspension from 14 years ago as a benchmark.

    • hockeyflow33 - Dec 10, 2013 at 4:44 PM

      I can’t wait for all the reasonable responses

      • drewzducks - Dec 10, 2013 at 5:58 PM

        Seriously. It’s like those imbeciles saying Marchand should have taken matters into his own hands. This despite, as you correctly noted, that they were down 2 forwards for the rest of the game with almost 2 1/2 periods left to play. Yet when Skidney and the gutless Orpik were asked why he didn’t engage Thornton they used the excuse that they couldn’t afford to lose him for all of 5 minutes ? Pittsburgh has cornered the market on hypocrisy.

  2. jcmeyer10 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    I hope he gets 20 and I am a Bruins fan. He crossed a line.

    • mgp1219 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:26 PM

      That’s mighty virtuous of you, jc…if it was Chara or Lucic, would you say the same? I don’t think so. I am also a B’s fan and think Thornton should be suspended for 10 or 12 games, but I also think you wouldn’t be wishing 20 games on a superstar. Get real.

      • c9castine - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM

        Since when is lucic a superstar

      • jcmeyer10 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:48 PM

        I would I promise. This kind of stuff can’t happen. I have been critical of the post whistle bullying the Bruins have employed over the last few years. This is what can happen when you try to be a tough guy after the whistle. It just simply shouldn’t be done by anyone.

    • hojo20 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      Bruins fan here. 2 games is okay

  3. hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Glad to see they pushed it back from Wednesday. I’m sure Boston will miss his quality 3 minutes of ice time a game spent pursuing other players.

    • jcmeyer10 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:05 PM

      He’s more than that and I don’t begrudge you for not seeing him impact, he is just part of the Merlot line that helps a team like the Bruins roll out 4 lines. Being able to play four solid lines seems to have been the difference maker in their playoff runs.

      • gaborik104life - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        I was just about to say the same jc. What he did was unexcusable however his value to the team cannot be underestimated. A big part of the bruins success is their ability to play four lines and give the 4th line quality time that does make an impact on their games as they contribute in so many ways.

      • hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM

        They can roll four without this one in the mix. And do it more honorably…they have a real hockey player or two waiting for a shot.

      • madtolive5 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        I completely understand rage towards the player and nobody in their right mind condones this incident.

        But he is a really good forth liner who in his 500+ games averaging 9 minutes a game, has never had the league review an incident. The Bruins will 100% miss his presence on the ice. That 4th line picks up a lot of slack and bring a lot of intensity to lulls during games.

        To say that Thornton should not be able to serve his suspension and make amends for his horrible act is just stupid. It isn’t like he acted like what he did was right, or everyone in the entire world didn’t see the play correctly. Even if you think he played it up for the cameras, he still admitted fault. The player has been averaging 60+ games a year for 8 years and at 36 made dumb and reckless mistake.

        Give the dude a second chance, let him serve his suspension, and get back to playing solid 4th line hockey.

    • homelanddefense - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:56 PM

      I understand the frustration. But Thornton is not just a goon, he actually has some hockey skills and brings a lot to the team. A few years back he had 10 goals. He has 3 already this year.

      He has been an enforcer for a long time, and has never even received a call from the league office. I HATE what he did, but its not like there is any history of this with him.

  4. sjsharks66 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    So they will have played 3 games before his hearing. They will probably give him 7 in person to make an even 10. Maybe more, who knows. Discipline is so back and forth.

    • joey4id - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

      Yep! In house hearing almost guarantees and more than 5 game suspension.

  5. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    I think Thorton’s suspension should be based on how long Orpik’s out. If his out like 4 games than Thorton would be suspended 4 games. If Orpik’s out for 3 months than Thorton would be suspended for 3 months.

    • tomasdoughberle - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM

      By that rationale Matt Cooke should never play again. Which I think the league would have been fine with. Works for me.

      • hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        Savard returned from the Cooke injury – not to ruin your logic, or anything.

    • hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:05 PM

      You can’t do that, or you really WILL have players claiming a player (not one of Orpik’s stature, but say, if a thug like this one were to somehow get injured by a star player) is injured just to hurt other teams. They could sit a bad player and keep another teams good player off the ice.

      • hockeykrishna - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        You’re a moron. Playing 25 more games after the Cooke hit isn’t “returned from injury”. If you knew anything about head trauma, you’d be aware that the Cooke hit was really the career ender.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        True, but if that kind of injury-based system was used then Cooke would have been allowed to return to the ice when Savard returned to the ice. If the league tried to make a provision to resuspend players based on lingering injuries Don Fehr’s head would quite literally explode. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • ewoods6 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:05 PM

      It’s his actions, what he did that is the issue. Orpik’s length of time out has nothing to do with it. Not a very smart comment.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM

        I wouldn’t say it has NOTHING to do with it, as I doubt it’d be a major suspension (in the eyes of the league) if Orpik got right back up… but yeah, that’s more about the fact that he loses some time, not particularly the AMOUNT of time, so yeah, I agree that that’s a dumb way of doing it.

      • patthehockeyfan - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:21 PM

        Looks as if steelers88 sort of borrowed the post I made at 8:25 this morning on the “Orpik suffers concussion, memory loss” story.

        My point was that there should be a minimum suspension for an infraction – no matter the damage done.

        For example, Neal’s knee to Marchand’s head. Five games minimum. The fact that Marchand got up and continued to play isn’t a factor. If Marchand is stretchered off the ice and is out 7 games, then extend Neal’s suspension to 7 games, and so forth.

        P.S. I can’t see teams lying about a player’s injury as hockey412 suggested.

    • bennywuh - Dec 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      Why is Bertuzzi still playing then? As a Wings fan, I boo him every time he touches the ice.

  6. ewoods6 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    20 at least. This is a Bortuzzi/McSorley type of incident. Send a message.

  7. flyeredup - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Not so sure the Bruins will miss his 1:15 ice time no matter how long the ban is

    • itsallniceonice - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:38 PM

      Trolls need to put more effort in.

  8. hockeykrishna - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Maybe Thornton will be lucky and get the same suspension that Matt Cooke did for ending Savard’s career? (sarcasm). Or the same Orpik got for the headshot he gave Erickson?

    10 games would seem to be required. Thornton deserves that, it was both a slew foot and a beat down. P

    Next time just slash Orpik in the leg and break it, that’s okay according to Shanny………. SMH.

    • ewoods6 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:12 PM

      To infer that Orpik’s hit was illegal or a headshot is a lack of intelligence and shows you are trying to validate him being hurt the way he was. Just because you hurt some one with a LEGAL check, doesnt mean something has to be wrong with the hit.

      • hockeykrishna - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM

        Look at the video, right shoulder to the head and the player never touches the puck. That hit was intended to hurt the player. Orpik has been giving that kind of hit since he played at BC.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        He definitely has been giving those types of hit since he was at BC – the hard and LEGAL kind. He hit his shoulder in Loui’s chest. You can tell because at impact you see the TOP of Loui’s head at impact, and then the force whips his head back.

        So you’re correct – good hard legal hits since he was at BC… which makes sense because the only suspension he’s ever received was for a boarding of Erik Cole a long time ago.

      • csorrell - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:57 PM

        It’s now legal to green light a player without the puck? Okay good to know.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM

        As soon as one of your precious superstars get lit up like this, I’m gonna laugh and laugh as you sit there crying about how ugly the hit was and whether or not it should be a lifetime ban. We all know you will

    • 8man - Dec 10, 2013 at 6:27 PM

      I’m saying 10. As in 10 in addition to what he’s already serving. Which would make the rest of the Pit game, the games against Toronto, Calgary and Edmonton plus 10 more. He’d be eligible to return sometime in January. Probably against the Ducks.

      Or they could really step outside of the box and make him sit for as long as Orpik is out. Let’s see how bad the injuries really are. :)

  9. penvik - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Anything under 20 games will be a disgrace. NHL really needs to make an example out of this incident. The fact that Orpik’s hit was by the book should further increase Thorntons suspension. I keep hearing how Thornton lost it and couldn’t control his emotions. Well that is downright scary because we should ask ourselves, what would Thornton have done if Orpik actually had made a dirty hit

    Suspension for knockout = 20 games
    Suspension for goin after player who didn’t want to fight = 2 games
    Suspension for going after someone who did NOTHING wrong 3 games

    Total 25 Games (still seems like nothing if Neal got 5gms)

    • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:39 PM

      I really don’t understand why so many people are connecting incidents here. a dirty hit or play is a dirty hit or play whether another one prefaced it or not. OK, evaluate the length of suspensions relative to each other, but don’t say anybody did or didn’t deserve to be illegally knocked unconscious because of something they did previously.

  10. montrealbbr - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    That is a long time and makes me think they are going to do the right thing and at least suspend him for the year. Im hoping they toss him out of the league because hes a dirty player who likes to throw cheapshots.

    • hockeykrishna - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:14 PM

      typical fan of the CH. How do you feel about Matt Cooke? How about Briere, your hometown paper put him on the list?

      And how about Lapierre on Nichol a couple years ago.


    • kovodisc - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:24 PM

      I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say you were one of the jackasses calling 9-1-1 after Chara hit Patches.

    • bruininnh1984 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      so i suppose it should be relatively easy for you to name another instance where thornton was called a dirty player or suspended…

    • homelanddefense - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM

      never suspended or ever had a hearing with the league. Get a clue

  11. augsburg12 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    He’s lucky he doesn’t play in Europe. Probably would be in jail for assault. Maybe the NHL has lost control over the players sadly. Time to bring law enforcement. The players don’t respect each other and this is what happens. Union stop protecting this kind of stuff and it will disappear. Eventually maybe … Not

  12. supercoop8 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    After the game I guessed it would be five for Neal, ten for Thornton, and possibly a fine for Dupuis. Though I don’t necessarily view the hit on Eriksson as being squeaky clean, I think Orpik saw a vulnerable player and wanted to truck him, its no where close to being a suspend-able offense with the head only partially contacted at initial impact.

    When you look at the Thornton incident in the context of the preseason Leafs-Sabres shenanigans, the Emery mauling of Holtby, and subsequent media fall outs it appears that Thornton could face a much steeper dealing then my initial guess.

    If Thornton was handed a ban of twenty games or more do you think that the NHLPA would appeal and essentially spit in Orpik’s face???

    • hazlydose - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:18 PM

      Player’s Associations in all sports appeal lengthy suspensions in situations like these. They never take into account that there is a conflict of interest as they are representing the victim and the perpetrator.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM

      20 games means Thornton will be losing about a quarter of his yearly salary. The union has to protect the economic interests of all of its players and ensure each player gets equal treatment from the league. It has to do that for every player, regardless of external factors, so that’s not quite spitting in Orpik’s face.

  13. hazlydose - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    This hearing should be before a judge instead of Player Safety…

    • hockeykrishna - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      I guess he’s lucky it wasn’t against the Canadiens, huh double-runner boy? They’d mobilize the Mounties! Put his picture on “Canada’s Most Wanted”! Maybe bring back the death penalty? Sheesh…….

      He could claim temporary insanity. Not sure if the Canadian legal system allows that. However, while a court might let him off. Shanny won’t. It’s being handled correctly, unless your a puss.

  14. kovodisc - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    For everyone saying that Thornton needs to be suspended for anything over 10-15 games needs to check themselves.

    1) If Neal only gets 5 games, there is no reason Thornton should get more than double that.

    2) Neal INTENDED on injuring Marchand on his dirty play – he failed – but the INTENT was there and for him to say otherwise is an absolute JOKE. One look at the replay proves it…he has NO ground whatsoever to stand on when he says it’s unintentional…he skates INTO the hit…not away from it….with PLENTY of time to avoid it. It was a CONSCIOUS decision to hit Marchand’s head. No two ways about it.

    3) Thornton had zero intent to get that result from the Orpik incident. Did he want to rough him up? Absolutely! Thornton owned up to his actions and did NOT shy away from accepting responsibility.

    4) I’m by NO MEANS justifying what Thornton did and he ABSOLUTELY deserves a suspension, but anything over 10 games is absurd and is a reaction to the result of the action, not the action itself. Comparisons to the Bertuzzi/Moore incident are ludicrous.

    The league needs to stop suspending based on result, and start suspending based on the hit itself.

    It’s extremely unfortunate what happened to Orpik (getting knocked out), but lets be real – people have been punched while on the ice numerous times…it’s the fact that Orpik was knocked out that is causing such a stir. Had he NOT been knocked out, we would be looking at 5 games for Thornton.

    Neal – repeat offender – intent to injure and strike an opponents head – no major injury – 5 games
    Thornton – no prior suspensions – no intent to cause injury – major injury sustained – 10 games.


    • hockeykrishna - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:26 PM

      One factor that does come into play is that Thornton tried to get Orpik to “dance” and Orpik declined. That is a fairy move and gutless, but still, it makes it worse that Thornton then did what he did.

      IMHO, Oprik should have manned up, taken a couple shots, clinched, and been done with it. He could have even done the PK “Chicken Bleep” Subban turtle move. If you go after a player that just had a concussion, it’s just not acceptable.

      Players need at least a LITTLE respect for each other.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:35 PM

        It’s not a fairy move or gutless – Orpik doesn’t fight. It’s moronic that just because he laid a legal check on the player that he should drop the gloves with a lesser (FROM A HOCKEY PERSPECTIVE) opponent and hurt the team. Julien would happily see Thronton in the box if it meant getting one of the Pens top 2 defenseman off the ice for five minutes too.

        So no, he shouldn’t have “manned up” – this notion of some sort of code in hockey is so silly and antiquated. Play the game. Your credibility is ruined that you think think that Orpik is the one who showed a lack of respect to a fellow player in this fiasco. Thonton and Neal are the ones who showed a lack of respect, not Orpik.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:14 PM

        Interesting that you would say players need at least a little respect for each other while defending this coward move by Thornton. Typical Boston dork.

    • Tyler - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

      3 & 4) Thornton had zero intent, but me made a conscious decision to go after someone (again) in the manner in which he did. If you’re discussing the action itself, and not the result of the action, let’s apply the same argument in a different setting: “I swear your honor / officer.. I only meant to rough him up..”

      Neal is no saint, but Thornton isn’t either: 522 games played – 873 PIM.

      • bruininnh1984 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:28 PM

        difference is that neal has a history of crossing the line and this is the first time that thornton has

    • chanceoffleury - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      You almost had me until those last couple of lines. I will agree what Neal did is dirty and disgusting and the general consensus in Penguin world is that management, as much as they hated his hit, they DETESTED his reaction and lack of accountability after it even more. Many our saying he’s also enduring some pretty hefty internal discipline. No way to prove that as that obviously wouldn’t be released publicly if there is. As a fan the easiest way to describe Neal’s actions were that he let me down as a huge fan of his individual play, a fan of the Penguins, and he let me down the most as a fan of hockey. I feel me and the Pens management and ownership group are on the same page here and I’m glad that if he isn’t going to be accountable then the Pens management is going to make him be accountable. James Neal and I are in a rocky place right now.

      THAT BEING SAID. To have the audacity, the BALLS, to imply that Thornton didn’t have every intention of injuring Brooks Orpik is just being ignorant. I said it in another post the other day, but while we can’t ever know whether he wanted to just give him a black eye, or break a bone in his face, or give him a concussion, one thing we can be absolutely sure of is that he wanted Brooks Orpik to pay a bigger price for his hit on Eriksson. A price that a simple check or slash or cross check would never convey. He wanted to hurt him, and to some degree, probably hurt the Penguins by taking away one of their captains and a cornerstone of the Penguins identity. He succeeded, and while I admire that he has a lot of regret for what he did, that doesn’t take away from the fact that what’s done is done. His accountability for it, as somebody who’s on the other side, should probably influence what happened and knock a few games off, but it was still a very serious incident that is bringing a ton of negative attention to hockey. Especially because the casual fans that see it on ESPN or some other site aren’t going to go look up the players reactions, they just see it from a very black and white perspective. It’s not that easy, and that’s evidenced by how far apart Neal and Thornton’s reactions were, but that’s the way it is and Thornton will pay a price just like he thought Orpik needed to in that moment. A different kind of price, but a price nonetheless. Personally I have no idea where they’re going to go with it so to throw out numbers seems silly to me. Much of it will depend on whether the league wants to use it as a lesson for all or whether they admire Thornton’s regret and lack of history and leave him with some slack when all is said and done. I’m interested to see where they go on Friday. But like I said, to imply that Thornton didn’t have every intent to injure is just asinine. It’s impossible to prove what injury he wanted Orpik to have, and he obviously was not out to end his career, but he had every single intention of hurting him. As much regret as he felt, imagine the regret if Marchand is hurt seriously and there is some sort of issue getting both up and out quick enough to get them to a hospital. Not just what he did, but even more so *when* he did it, was a big thing in the stupid factor of the whole incident for me.

  15. muckleflugga - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    it will be interesting to see nhl spin-masters rationalize thornton’s penalty while understanding ray emery walked with a strongly worded telephone scolding from shanahan…tut tut ray, ha ha chuckle chuckle, clink, cheers mate

    if cause and effect come to order, orpik’s behaviour precipitating the incident and state of his health following the hammering of eriksson will play; both will mitigate against a lengthy suspension…

    the classic conundrum: how to appear to be a responsible steward of your product while reaping massive financial benefit from the same behaviour warranting stewardship…tit in a wringer

    and, hysterics comparing this matter to the bertuzzi v moore incident will be studiously ignored; bertuzzi’s actions were premeditated and apparently sanctioned and encouraged by his team…the league wants the bertuzzi incident to stay well buried

    still, law firms handling current class action concussion lawsuits have to be rubbing their hands in gleeful anticipation…

    on one hand, you have nhl rules and policies permitting orpik’s destructive take-out of eriksson, precipitating concussive forces free of penalty…

    and on the other you have thornton articulating in detail his team appointed role as an enforcer whose role is to police the game in absence of the league’s ability to do so itself

    this with a bludgeoning attack on a fallen foe being the definitive action

    high comedy…

  16. greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Savard is just too soft for the NHL. Everyone’s yapping about Orpik faking this injury, well I think that’s just because you know Savard is faking his injury.

    • kovodisc - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM

      Haha ya Savard definitely didn’t want to play hockey in his prime anymore. I mean…who would?

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

        He wasn’t that good anyway.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:43 PM

      excuse me, your Habs hole is showing.

  17. greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    What’s that recent saying – Boston Soft!?!?

    • kovodisc - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM

      First off that makes absolutely ZERO sense considering we’re talking about a Bruin being the one knocking someone out (you see the irony there, right?)

      Second – stay classy.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        Jumping someone from behind and slew footing them is cowardly soft.

        Classy is not a word associated with Massholes from Boston.

        Keep it real.

      • montrealbbr - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM

        There is nothing classy about Boston at all. Such loud mouth hypocrites that think the world revolves around them! Savard was like a third liner at best and you guys are still crying as if you lost Gretzky! Move on already will you! And after watching the Eriksson hit and Boychuks hit I have to agree that Boston Soft should be the new slogan! Someone get the Bruins a glass of milk because things are breaking everywhere in boston!

    • hockeykrishna - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM

      A new message board low. GMB31 you should remove that one.

    • drewzducks - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:48 PM

      The gutless pedophile greenmountsboys is back to his usual trolling. He’ll go away come spring, just like his precious Les Haplesses do each year.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

        26 Cups and counting drewsucks, call me when your team gets to two.

      • bakedbees - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:59 PM

        “…and counting.” that’s the funny part

    • dropthepuckeh - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

      Unusually angry vitriol spewing from Habsman/ greenmtlittleboy today! Did your lady friend run away with a Bruins fan again??

    • drewzducks - Dec 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM

      My team has 6 you serial pedophile, the last being 3 years ago. Get your facts straight. Your team has plenty of history. The key word being HISTORY. Twenty years and counting for the once proud but increasingly irrelevant Habnots.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM

        You seem to have a weird infatuation with pedophilia. Get that checked.

  18. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Yeah but Orpik has the right to decline to fight. Orpik is not much of a fighter. If he doesn’t want to fight he doesn’t have to. If Thorton was mad why didn’t he go after James Neal?

    • Moop - Dec 10, 2013 at 5:18 PM

      James Neal went to his bench immediately after kneeing Marchand in the head. Thornton was on the other side of the ice and would not have been able to get at Neal.

      You’re absolutely right that Orpik has the right to decline a fight, but in today’s NHL, you’re going to get someone coming after you for making big hits, whether they were clean or not. That’s just the mentality of the players right now. You can’t play a hard hitting game these days and act surprised when the other team sends someone out asking you to fight. It’s why players like P.K. Subban are so disliked by fans of opposing teams.

  19. hairpie2 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    John Scott got 7 games and he has a history. Thornton has no history and all he did is punch a guy twice in the face WITH HIS GLOVE ON. Neal gets 5, Thornton should get the same.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM

      oh yeah? when’s Scott been suspended before?

      • hairpie2 - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        I didnt mean he has been suspended, but he has a history of cheap hits, like the Penguins. What Neal and Scott did was far worse. If Neal didnt knee Marchand while he was down and looking the other way, this would not have happened. Scott gets 7 for nearly decapitating a player while he isnt even looking, but you think 2 punches to the face while wearing gloves is worse??? lol…. ok.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        yeah, they don’t take “cheap hits” history into consideration unless they suspended for it.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:30 PM

        but you’re talking to me about the wrong hit. I’m not a Scott fan, but I believe he didn’t mean to hurt his victim. i don’t feel strongly against his suspension, but it was unfortunate that he’s so tall hitting a short guy, got him in the head. I definitely think what Thornton did was worse than what Scott did. Scott’s was accidental at full speed, Thornton’s was on purpose at no speed.

  20. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    I seriously think the NHL needs to seriously self evaluate after this. I think the lack of respect in the league this year has been appalling. As a hockey player you have a duty to respect your opponent on the ice. You may hate your opponent but you still need to respect them. This means you don’t take a cheapshot when the other person is not looking or when his on the ice or even when the play is over. This is sad and scary. Little kids look up to these NHL players they think of these players as idols and heroes. These players are setting bad examples. These kids will think that it’s okay to make these kind of cheapshots. I also think that the NHL should ban open ice hits.

  21. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    I seriously think the NHL needs to seriously self evaluate after this. I think the lack of respect in the league this year has been appalling. As a hockey player you have a duty to respect your opponent on the ice. You may hate your opponent but you still need to respect them. This means you don’t take a cheapshot when the other person is not looking or when his on the ice or even when the play is over. This is sad and scary. Little kids look up to these NHL players they think of these players as idols and heroes. These players are setting bad examples. These kids will think that it’s okay to make these kind of cheapshots. I also think that the NHL should ban open ice hits.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      steelers88, I think you had most of us til the last sentence.

    • hockeykrishna - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:00 PM

      Have you been to a HS game or worse, “Juniors” lately? A stick actually on the ice, as opposed to being jammed into someone’s grill is rare. Too late to stop the spread of complete lack of respect for opponents. Heck, I’ve been in 40+ year old league games and seen a broken collarbone from a two handed chop to the neck.

      The “code” that existed in the past is clearly gone, and it’s a damn shame!

  22. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Sorry for the double post there.

  23. muckleflugga - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    steelers88 at 10:51

    excellent post, i concur

  24. hsnepsts - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    20 games for being a holier-than-thou hypocrite that puts himself on some kind of ‘hockey code’ pedestal, skating around cleaning up messes that half the time are started by cheap shots on his own team.

    Eriksson should keep his head up. Hockey is tough.
    Kelly deserves a get-well card, and hope hes back for the playoffs. Hockey is tough.
    Orpik and Dupuise deserved a couple of hard body checks and probably a bit of lumber, but that’s it.
    Neal deserves suspension and a broken nose.
    Marchand actually deserves a knee in the head, disagree if you want.

    Everything would have worked out nicely if Thornton has just gone after Neal. But he didn’t.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      so you’re advocating judging his suspension based on what the rest of his team does sometimes?

      • hsnepsts - Dec 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM

        Not at all. I actually dont really care whether its 10 or 20. my money is on 10, because its the NHL, and it looks like Orpik will be okay. Both will be back for the playoffs, which is what matters. Heck, a comfy 5 gamer like Neal and Keith on Sedin got is actually a benefit. A little mid-season break to rest, spend time with the kids and work on fitness.

        Honestly I just think the entire thing is a circus. Tough guys talk about ‘the code’, skillless guys go around destroying each others knees or brains with rediculous hits, totally ineffective 2 or 5 game suspensions, WWE style refs that just give 2 minute penalties for whatver they do or don’t see, instagator rules, staged fights, tv timeouts, shootouts, whatever.

        I love hockey. I love to play it, and when its a good game there is nothing better, like Olympic hockey. But I’m realizing that I kinda hate the NHL.

        Sorry for the rant. back to work

  25. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    BTW Neal just apologized. He said: he said “I’m sorry for knee to Marchand, I have to do a better Job at controlling my emotions in the future.” Also he said “There’s really no excuses for it.”

    • bruininnh1984 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      neal should have apologized after the game as opposed to the day after he gets 5 games

      • joey4id - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:57 PM


  26. muckleflugga - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM


    i see your point, but we are reminded mcsorley used his stick…i still believe his stick skipped off brashear’s upper arm and shoulder pad, and the action was spontaneous

    i also believe mcsorley’s history and the viral nature of the incident exaggerated the penalty; brashear was not immune to fighting unless probert and mcsorley were in the building…

    in the nhl, you can use your stick to purposefully hack your opponent within reason, but padded areas must be targeted

    in the nhl, you can purposefully pound a player in the head, even after he’s beaten and when he’s down

    in the nhl, bring in an ems crew, dress-up the downed player in a cervical brace, strap him to a board, haul him to a hospital where he’s released immediately after testing…you’ve got criminal intent and people calling for thornton to have a date with old sparky…

    the beat goes on, beat goes on
    fists keep pounding a rhythm to the brain

    la de da de de, la de da de da…

  27. csilojohnson - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Bruins coaching staff, medical staff, and managment ended Savards career by letting him play if the Cooke injury persisted beyond his 25 day absence. Simple logic. Spin it how you want so as not to put any blame on your fav team. Either way Savard was injured during a hockey play. (yes dirty) Orpik was jumped from behind while engaged with someone else. Long after whistle.
    No question of intent.

  28. steeltuff - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    15 games, plus the number of games Orpik misses.

  29. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    I’m just sick of people from the Penguins and Bruins fanbases arguing! It’s pretty much black and white. Neal is at fault and Thorton is at fault. Neal got suspended 5 games and Thorton will be suspended. People stop living in the past! We could argue who’s right and wrong until were the blue in the face, but it’s not going to make any difference to the outcome of that 1st PD. The point is Neal and Thorton were both wrong. Two players got seriously injured in the game Orpik and Eriksson. I just hope both can come back and be both productive.

  30. muckleflugga - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM


    another fine post…heartfelt and clearly from a fan who loves her team

    in your use of the term ‘balls’ as declared in upper case, would i be correct in sensing a shift key being stroked or hammered…?

  31. Florio's Lawyer - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    ..if Neal got 5, this is worth at least 20…

  32. brakadamas - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    If I do this in a bar I’m in jail, if I goon does it on a hokey rink, well, it’s hockey. So let’s look at it this way. Attacking him from behind…cowardly. Punching him in the head with your golves on after you toss him from behind, brutal even by hockey standards. Pretty much told to do it by the coaching staff….probably. Of course he should be suspended for the time Orpik misses and some games after that….and the coach should get 5 games. Hockey is a rough tough man’s game you say, Well WTF was manly about all this? Nothing. .

  33. puckyouall - Dec 10, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    OK kids, recess is over.. Back to class.

  34. jason9696 - Dec 10, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    I’d give him 15-20 games. He stalked Orpik just like Bertuzzi did to Moore. Although I didn’t think it was nearly as brutal as the Moore incident.

  35. fenway22 - Dec 10, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    I’m a Bruins fan. He’ll probably get 10 games. He isn’t a repeat offender and has never had a hearing or so much as a phone call from the league so 10 games seems about right. But as much as I do like Thornton he really isn’t that good of a player. Having him out of the line-up is addition by subtraction for the Bruins at this point his his career.

  36. brakadamas - Dec 11, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    What’s with this “well he isn’t a repeat offender” crap? Does that mean EVERYBODY can make this same cowardly move once and get a slap on the wrist?

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