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Report: Dion Phaneuf will face hearing for hit on Kevan Miller

Dec 9, 2013, 12:11 AM EST

Toronto Maple Leafs defenseman Dion Phaneuf will receive a disciplinary hearing with the NHL for his hit from behind on Boston Bruins blueliner Kevan Miller on Sunday, TSN’s Bob McKenzie reportsUpdate: the hearing will take place on Tuesday, according to various reports.

Here’s video of the check, which didn’t earn a penalty:

Searching through The Hockey News’ and Cap Geek’s suspension records, Phaneuf hasn’t received a suspension before. That’s impressive considering the fact that the 28-year-old’s hard hits inspired people to make a verb out of his last name.

It might help Phaneuf’s cause that Miller, 26, is a little banged up but isn’t expected to miss time with whatever ailments came from that check.

The Bruins experienced a trying weekend for a team that won both of its games, as incidents involving the team (Shawn Thornton on Brooks Orpik, James Neal on Brad Marchand and now this) will also keep the NHL’s Department of Player Safety busy.

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  1. northstarnic - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    Dirty.

    • upper90cheese - Dec 9, 2013 at 7:19 AM

      Clean hit. This trend of players turning their backs to the opposition needs to stop. NHL = nanny state

      • spitfisher - Dec 9, 2013 at 7:49 AM

        Apparently you didn’t see the slash behind Millers right knee before the hit, which made him vulnerable to Phaneufs hit

      • nj666 - Dec 9, 2013 at 7:50 AM

        did you get lost on your way to yahoo news?

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:39 AM

        or Rand Paul’s fansite.

      • endusersolutions2013 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:09 AM

        I’ve read that lameness regarding several posts, using “lowered head” as a blanket statement. BIG difference if a guy is string to dig a puck out along the boards and looking down to actually see the puck, vs skating with his head down carrying the puck in open ice.

      • endusersolutions2013 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:10 AM

        spell checker fixed badly. Meant “if a guy is trying”

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        Someone needs his handle upside the head.

      • basedrum777 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:42 AM

        If had turned around and punched him twice in the head while he was laying on the ice he could’ve “pulled a Thorton”. Would’ve needed to make sure he was unconscious b/f the punches though….

    • nflfan4now - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:44 AM

      How can you say he’s a hard hitter? The only thilng I have ever seen the “Princess” do is hot people with cross checks. do face washes and dive out of the way when someone goes to hit him.
      Def a Princess type.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM

        lol careful, (you may remember, as you commented on the thread) apparently these commenters think the term princess if misogynistic.

        http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/18/leafs-irate-over-princess-phaneuf-comment-scott-expresses-regret/

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM

        is*

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        That’s because it is.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:41 PM

        lol I’m sorry, if they called him a woman, it would be. but princesses are people that have historically been shielded from anything that gets their hands dirty, they just so happen to be women. in no way does it show hate for women (the definition of misogyny).

      • basedrum777 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:39 AM

        Then call him a prince, which has exactly the same history of being coddled but without the misogyny.

  2. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:27 AM

    Yeah that’s pretty bad. It’s not like the guy turned at the last second or anything, pretty textbook boarding. Can’t believe there wasn’t a penalty.

    No injury, no prior suspensions, but also no penalty means this is probably a game for Dion.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:47 AM

      If it’s a face to face hearing it will be a minimum of 5 games. If it’s a phone hearing it could anything between 1 to 5 games. Phaneuf had ample time to notice the back of Miller’s jersey and adjust. Reckless and dangerous hit.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:48 PM

        In-person does not guarantee five or more, just the possibility. Given the circumstances it would be wildly inconsistent and go against precedent to give him more than five.

        Although I hear “wildly inconsistent” appears in gold letters below Shanny’s name on his office door, so who the hell knows what will happen.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM

        According to my interpretation of the CBA the NHL will schedule an in-person hearing for disciplinary suspension of 6 or more games. See section 18.5 c & d.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM

        It certainly appears to be the norm because I don’t recall one face to face hearing where the player rec’d less than 5 games. Matter of fact, I believe I read somewhere that Shanny will request a face to face hearing when he knows we won’t be giving less than 5 games. On the other hand, a phone hearing (like in the case of Neal) typically indicates that a player may get less than 5 games depending on how the conversation goes with the player. I could be wrong.

      • sunderlanding - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        There is NO way he gets five games for this. I say one or two games maximum.

      • basedrum777 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM

        It was a bad hit. Does anyone else think itd be better if they could still wrap up the guy against boards like they used to?

      • joey4id - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

        You know. I have a problem with allowing the use of what of a punishable act to prevent another one. It seems like no one is addressing the root cause of the issue. If they can put their finger on it then they could propose a long term and short term solution. I think the bear hug will lead to other issues/bad calls and exaggerated use of it by the players.

  3. shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    I’m honestly shocked this will be reviewed. I thought the bruins were just a bunch of classless d bags who could do no right… That’s only 4 injuries in 3 games from dirty plays for the bruins and MAYBE there will be discipline for it… F’ing ridiculous. And people wonder why Thornton lost it the other night…

    • Tyler - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:56 AM

      You thought right. The Bruins are a bunch of classless dbags.

      • gerrharr66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:23 AM

        Yeah, what goons. Krejci, Bergeron, Eriksson, Iginla, Smith, Kelly, Campbell, Paille, Krug, Bartkowski, Hamilton, Soderberg, Seidenberg – the list goes on. Heck, even Boychuk has 14 penalty minutes. Notorious for the despicable way they play the game.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM

      Seemed to me this hit on Miller was a charge/boarding/hit from behind. Why didn’t any B player go after Phaneuf?

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM

        Gee take a wild guess why they didn’t go after a player they know wont fight

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:28 AM

        So why did they go after Orpik then?

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:30 AM

        Lol, THATS why they didn’t this time

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:35 AM

        :-) I like the Bruins. But, Thronton blew it big time. I also don’t like what Neal did. Head are “don’t touch”. I hope he gets a suspension for what he did, and I hope Thornton gets 20 to 25 games. NHL has to send a clear message to other players and the public showing their discontent with this sort of behavior.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:46 AM

        Thornton did blow it, you’re right. What irks me is that it could have just as easily been marchand or Eriksson leaving on a stretcher but no one cares because they didn’t. I really feel like neals actions = thorntons, unfortunately the result of thorntons looked much worse

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:17 AM

        To me, the difference between the three incidents is that Neal’s and Thornton’s actions were deliberate. Neal made a distinct motion with his knee to hit Marchand, and Thornton gave 2 shots to Orpik’s head with his forearm. It’s always difficult to prove intent. What was Neal’s intention? What was going through his head at the time? Hard to tell. The results of a cheap shot are much easier to assess. So, yes! Orpik’s injury will and should be considered in the league’s decision. Was Orpik’s hit a deliberate attempt to take Ericksson’s head off? To me. Nothing on the video shows Orpik did anything but a attempt a legal hit that had a bad consequence. Shoulder was down, elbow was tucked in, and his skates didn’t leave the ice. Rule 48.1; A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable can be considered.

        This to me tells me that Orpik’s hit, though had undesirable consequences, was legal. Other than this rule there is not other rule for head shots. The NHL would have to write up a separate rule under Head Shots make every contact with the head illegal be it accidental or not.

        Check this out;

        NHL GMs decide against ban on head shots

        Tuesday, 03.15.2011 / 4:21 PM / News
        Associated Press

        BOCA RATON, Fla. (AP) – Eager to keep their game fast and physical, NHL general managers decided Tuesday against recommending major rule changes to curb concussions, opting to push for tighter enforcement of charging and boarding penalties instead.

        “It would take a lot of hitting out of the game, a lot of the physical part of the game that makes our game so appealing,” Ottawa’s Bryan Murray said.

      • bruininnh1984 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

        because of the game situation… the bruins were already going on the p/k and they didn’t want to risk putting themselves down 2 men, not to mention there were only 2 min left in the game i believe

      • sunderlanding - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:20 PM

        20 to 25 games? I’m glad you’re not in charge. Man the internet is crazy sometimes. Talk about “wildly inconsistent”. It would be “wildly inconsistent” if they gave 20 to 25 games for a first offense. I think kneeing someone in the head who can’t see you comming is arguably just as bad as punching someone because they’re too much of a coward to fight.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        Well! My assessment is not based on first offense or Thornton being a repeat offender, though I should have thought about that. It was based on the fact that Bertuzzi got 20 games for his assault on Moore. When these attacks happen I’m pretty sure the politicians are watching. I don’t know what the max suspension is under the current CBA. Time to reference it…. again.

      • sunderlanding - Dec 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        It is a little different. Moore’s injury was much worse, and Thornton (although dirty) didn’t sucker punch him. He waited till they were face to face. At no point is there an attempt to protect the face with the hands. If someone triped me and I knew they were after me I’d protect myself.

      • joey4id - Dec 10, 2013 at 4:38 PM

        I agree that Orpik was overly passive, but it doesn’t give Thornton a free pass to head him in the head with his elbow, and the effects of the injury are certainly less for Orpik than they were for Moore as far as we know.

      • sunderlanding - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        For sure. I’m not saying Thornton doesn’t deserve to get suspended.

    • burgh916 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      Maybe if Thornton didn’t lose it for no reason the other night he would have been in the lineup to lose it on something much worse.

  4. sjsharks66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    He will be suspended. That was just a disrespectful play. Very disappointing, as I like Phaneuf. You want to know my BIGGEST problem with the hit? The Bruins did NOTHING about it. They did nothing to Patches and nothing to Phaneuf. They decide to save that anger for textbook clean hits.

    I am sure most Bruins fans can agree with me. ( not the fools that signed up on PHT after last night. )

    • bsaures - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:19 AM

      The Patches hit didnt require a reaction because it unintentional that had a bad result. Phaneufs tho was a clear hit from behind with no effort to stop and definitely should have had a reaction

      • sjsharks66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:26 AM

        I see what you are saying. The thing is ( and I hare to bring this up AGAIN.) that Orpik did not mean to injure Ericksson with his hit. Yet it generated a nasty reaction. I just don’t really get why intentional or not an injury is seen in a different perspective by the Bruins players. You would assume by Thorntons reaction to what seemed to be a good hit, that Phaneuf would have had to answer and the same for Patches.

      • bsaures - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:41 AM

        Think about it tho with the Patches hit if you didnt see it several times from perfect angles it could very easily just look like they got tangled up fighting for the puck and fell into the boards together and Boychuk just got the worse of it. (which more or less was what it was)

        Orpiks hit while clean(debatable) could be justified in Boston players mind as taking a run at a guy receiving a “suicide” pass (Eller and Gryba last year was a similar example) especially considering Eriksson has just come back from a concussion. What kinda agravated it was Chara taking a run at Dupuis a few seconds later so it kinda escalated the entire game.

        I have no idea why they didnt go after Phaneuf that one stumps me.

    • supercoop8 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:54 AM

      Bergeron was already on his way to the box, Leafs had pulled their goalie, an extra instigator or roughing minor and the Bruins are looking at a 6 on 3; they had to close out the game but I’d imagine someone goes after Phaneuf next game, Chara was already barking at him. And after the stantion incident I can’t see any Bruins player chasing Pacioretty.

      Don’t pretend though that the Bruins are the only team that seeks retribution after a clean hit because every team does it. How many time have Pens players jumped someone after a clean hit on Malkin or Crosby? There is also no way you can say for certain that Orpik didn’t intend to injure; he saw a player in a vulnerable position and didn’t let up an ounce. The hit was clean but still viscous.[All that said I truly believe Thorntons action was disgusting]
      Anyway, I think its kind of a catch 22 because if Chara goes after Phaneuf then its back to the Bruins are thugs discussion, regardless should be interesting to find out how many games everyone ends up receiving.

    • golfsox78 - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:21 AM

      Orpik’s hit was a little high because Eriksson was slouched down a little. I think the Bruins were mad because he just came back from a concussion and thought it was intentional. I think it was clean but also could have been interference. Orpik didn’t deserve to get knocked out. But I’m not shocked B’s wanted him to man up. After he declined Thorton’s request to fight it should have ended. This year seems to be crazy with illegal hits. I’m not sure why it’s getting worse. Plus the refs are missing calls and calling penalties they really shouldn’t.

  5. drewzducks - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    Someone must have finally told Dion during intermission that he was getting Sean Avery’s sloppy seconds.

  6. sabatimus - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    Phaneuf saw Miller had his back to him, near the boards, and lined him up and nailed him. It’s not like this is outside of Phaneuf’s MO either.

    • withseidelinn - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:41 AM

      What are you talking about….? Unless you reference a specific incident where Dion did the same thing or something similar, your point is irrelevant.

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        You’re kidding, right? This is like every other game for him.

  7. hockeyflow33 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    Phaneuf is a clown. How often does he hurt the Leafs because he makes stupid plays like this at crucial times. Even though there was no penalty called, (no idea why), this errors shouldn’t keep happening.

    • flyerspsu - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:20 AM

      most overrated player in the league

      • hockeyflow33 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM

        The sad thing is he could be really, really good.

      • sunderlanding - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:30 PM

        Everyone says he’s overrated, so how is he overrated? If everyone was saying he’s awesome he’d be overrated. Maybe you don’t understand the word?

  8. nhstateline - Dec 9, 2013 at 7:23 AM

    Loui didn’t have the puck when he got hit, that’s part of the issue. Orpik’s hit was borderline at best, Neal’s was dirty and Kelly’s leg got broken how ? But the Bruins are dirty goons….keep telling yourselves that

    • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:34 AM

      This is exactly why I’m frustrated with all this. Thornton f’d up and faced the media like a man, apologized, never said anything about orpiks hit. Then you have the other team lying and trying to act like they did no wrong that game… And too many people are buying it.

  9. nhstateline - Dec 9, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    that said Thornton deserves a long suspension for what he did. No excuses and nobody from the Bruins is making any excuses. He deserves whatever he gets. Contrast what the Bruin coaches and players said with what the Penguins were saying after the game. Totally different and it convinced me that the Bylesma haters in Pittsburgh have a point. Claude Julien was talking responsibility, Bylesma was making excuses. That’s the difference in the way these teams perform in the playoffs. Julien stresses accountability, Bylesma enables. If I were a Pens fan, I’d want a coach more like Claude. The Pens would do better. As for last night, they didn’t go after Phaneuf because the game was more or less over and there’s no rush because they see the Leafs again.

    • wikidpissah - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM

      Good points on accountability. Thornton’s reaction after the game was to apologize and take accountability, while Neal denied doing anything wrong. Notice also that Neal went straight to the bench after kneeing Marchand. Coward.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:47 AM

        I can’t believe that in light of what happened there are actual grown-ups, real mature individuals, making these statements.

    • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:46 AM

      Julien doesn’t stress accountability, you tard. He talks smack on the OTHER team. There are long videos available that make fun of Juliens hypocritical preaching, put to video of his players doing the exact things that he is preaching against.

      What was Julien going to say……that what Thornton did was AN ACCIDENT? No, No, No…he’s just continuing his annoying streak of calling out the OTHER team. If he wants accountability, get it from his team – what the other team is doing is NONE of his concern and he needs to keep his fat, embarassing mouth shut.

      While the stretcher was coming out on the ice, Julien was bad mouthing the Pens bench. Do NOT make this man out to be in the right, ever. He’s a pig, as is anyone that supports him.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:29 AM

        Speaking of being hypocritical, ignoring your own teams fault and pointing fingers… All julien said was that the pens should take accountability for their role in that gong show AFTER saying that Thornton messed up big time. Why do you expect him to say? It was all our fault and the pens are a bunch of angels? Cause that would just be lying… Which would make him a great penguin. I’m pretty sure you could make a video like that for just about any team, coach, player etc. Some butthurt canucks fan just had way to much time on their hands

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:07 AM

        Who’s ignoring? Give Neal a game, and Thornton 10. Actually screw that give Neal 5 (based solely on intention, Marchand isn’t even hurt and you crybabies are acting like there was a crime committed) and give Thornton 50.

        Actually screw that, just get rid of Thornton altogether. The problem is that his many concussions brought about by being nothing but a dirty thug have finally started to impair his judgement.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:41 AM

        Lol, love the comment “marchands not even hurt and you crybabies are acting like there was a crime committed”. That essentially sounds like what happened with Thornton and orpik, difference being they deemed a stretcher necessary for PRECAUTIONARY reasons. He was not hurt seriously, he flew home that night. When Scott lit up Eriksson they made him stay overnight for observation because that’s concussion protocol. If there are no injuries, why should the punishment be drastically different? Especially since Neal is notorious for that kind of play while Thornton is not.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        Marchand got up and finished the game…only thing hurt was his pride – not that he had much of that anyway. Orpik went to the hospital.

        And you are telling me these two things are “essentially the same”? You are sounding more and more like an idiot.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM

        And Thornton is known, FULLY, around the league to be a fourth line Goon.

      • supercoop8 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM

        How many should this have gotten??

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:54 AM

        Can’t watch the video – you’ll have to explain it.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:08 AM

        Name ONE other time when Thornton has done anything like this… It would take a two min trip to YouTube for me to find multiple Neal cheap shots. And yeah, until I hear otherwise I don’t believe orpik was injured. Knocked out? Maybe. You think loui wasn’t dazed after that hit? He got right up and to the bench. The stretcher is the only thing separating these incidents and you seem to refuse to believe that it could have just as easily been marchand.
        I’m not sitting here trying to say one was worse than the other, they are equally bad and embarrassing for the game. You on the other hand, seem to think that the pens did nothing wrong, and Neal should get a slap on the wrist just to save face. Your not even close to giving an unbiased opinion, all you’re saying is the bruins are all trash and the dirtiest team ever blah blah grow up. A pens supporter is the last person who should be calling out another team for dirty play

        I like the malkin video… Pretty much looks like routine pen play to me.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM

        Malkin hits Giroux in the corner, they both fall down. Malkin punches Giroux twice in the back of the head

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        Bylsma runs a team that cheapshots their way through the season, and *Julien’s* the pig?

        Put down the Kool-Aid, it’s too spiked for you.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        Yes, Julien is a pig. A hypocritical ogre that preaches violence over skill. Boston takes more cheapshots than any other team…every whistle brings a punch to the back of someone’s head. There’s no honor in Boston hockey. It’s an embarassment.

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:19 PM

        hockey412. You are one of the most clueless hockey “fans” I have seen on here. If you know anything about Thornton, he is not a dirty player (at least up until two nights ago). Just ask any Wings fan. Orpik’s not hurt either–that doesn’t exactly jive with your assessment of suspensions.

        I smell a big-time Pens homer.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:36 PM

        Orpik is on IR, you idiot.

    • cheetah440 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:13 AM

      Agreed. He deserves a long long suspension. 20+ games IMO. While I still support what he was trying to do, he did it the wrong way. Instead of grabbing him and stomping, he should have grabbed him and shoved him out into the open and stomped him face on. The optics of the entire episode were terrible.

      Boarding plays are a harder call though. Boarding is by far the most dangerous play but the instinct to hit when a puck is at the feet is strong. I honestly don’t think Phaneuf was trying to hurt in that play, he was trying to get the puck and wasn’t cognizant of the situation or where he was etc. He was trying to separate the guy from the puck. He screwed up. That happens. A few 20 Game suspensions for these types of hits might start to change that.

      Orpiks hit was actually worse IMO. He ran him, never had an intention of playing the puck and tried to time a huge hit, with an intent to demolish the player. I’m fine with hard hits but if your intent is simply to blow out a player, that’s not really what the game is about. Players are going to get themselves in awkward positions on occasion. Sure it’s easy to say “keep your head up”, but if you take advantage and blow someone up because they got in a bad position going for a puck (Eriksson NEVER even touched that puck ) you better damn well expect retribution.

  10. stratomaticfan - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    How do people claim Orpik’s hit was clean. Did he hit the head? Only marginally. But he lined up and creamed a guy who wasn’t looking that DIDN’T HAVE THE PUCK. That makes it dirty. There’s a difference between Dirty and Illegal. It was dirty and he should have answered for it. Although I never want to see a guy get hurt (even the Habs players), I find it to be Karma that he got knocked out, whether it actually occurred from being pulled down or hit while he’s down. I have no problem with Thornton sitting 5 games for holding a guy accountable for a dirty play. He went over the line and SHOULD sit, but sent the right message.

    • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:42 AM

      You can time a hit to be when the puck gets there. That’s not a dirty hit, it’s a hockey play. Happens ALL THE TIME. The Bruins are one of the only teams that thinks some mortgage needs paid when someone makes a LEGAL hit on one of their players.

      Thornton should NOT sit for 5 games – more like 50. This is what they are trying to eliminate from Hockey, so ELIMINATE it. This is the league’s chance to make their statement. 20 games, MINIMUM. We’ve seen lawsuits over this stuff…5 games basically says the league is willing to give slaps on the wrist to keep that GARBAGE in the game.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

        You obviously just have it out for the bruins. The league should eliminate knees to the head, right? So they need to send a message! 50+ games! I’m assuming you’re a pens fan, so imagine that’s Crosby gettin trucked by lucic or chara, this entire message board blows up with people saying its a fix, bruins never get discipline, should be 20+ game suspension. It really is ridiculous. Bruins dropping like fly’s on illegal plays, no one cares. One penguin goes down from an illegal play the message board blows up. Severe double standard

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:34 AM

        If that was Crosby, and it was Lucic – yes, Pens fans would be calling him dirty. I actually haven’t disagreed with any of that. But, seeing how, if that was Crosby, he’d have just gotten up and played the rest of the game, I think we’d put it in perspective and not be a total idiot about it. Anyway, ever fan of every other team already KNOWS that Chara and Lucic are dirty.

      • kovodisc - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:50 AM

        So by your standards that means Neal should get the same, if not WORSE treatment.

        Thornton had no intent to knock out Orpik like that. Rough him up for sure, but knock him out like that – no way. He at least admitted it was a mistake and he crossed the line.

        Same can be said for Neal tjo

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:35 AM

        Did you just say Thorton had no intent when he slewfooted Orpik, threw him to the ice, and continually beat him in the face, knocking him out?

        Did you really just say that? Conversation over – take your meds and seek the nurse.

      • kovodisc - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:53 AM

        Neal had EVERY intent to cause harm to Marchand. He had ample time to skate away from him but with Marchand on all fours and the puck nowhere near them, Neal leans into the hit and then has the audacity to say it was completely unintentional?!? Come on.

        The sad thing is because he wasn’t actually injured, he will get a minimum suspension.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM

        Yeah how hard did he hit marchand, really. How many games do you think he’ll miss.

        How many shifts did marchand miss. How many minutes did he miss.

      • tomasdoughberle - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:08 AM

        So it’s OK for players to knee people in the head? No big deal as long as no one gets hurt? Good to know.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:22 AM

        How hard did Neal hit marchand? Harder than Thornton punched orpik. If you think Crosby would have stayed in the game, you’re crazy. I doubt he would have been able to get up from that. Not even takin a shot at sid but with his concussion history… Game over. And no, I know plenty of other people from different fan bases who are envious of chara and lucic. That’s besides the point. Point is, you are a HUGE hypocrite and you’re too thick to see it. Both plays equally dangerous, and the pens need to be held accountable for their role in that game

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:31 AM

        Marchand got up and played the rest of the game, right? Didn’t miss a shift…right? Did you watch a different game?

        Orpik was stretchered out after a known goon jumped him from behind. NOT THE SAME.

        Neal’s play was dirty – he tends to be a dirty player. So penalize him, toss him for a few games. It does not justify what Thornton did, and he did not do what he did in response to what Neal did – it was Thornton’s second attempt. While they stretchered him out, the low-class coach screamed at the Pens bench. Nice picture, I’m just glad boston is finally getting press for being the trash it always has been.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        You don’t think that knee could have put marchand on a stretcher? That’s the point in trying to make. Marchand got lucky! He could have been seriously hurt. Orpik was unlucky, he did get hurt. Suspensions can’t just be based on result. If the roles are reverses, marchands on the stretcher and orpik doesn’t miss a shift, everyone would be saying Neal deserves the bigger suspension which is not true! They are both greasy plays that should be punished equally

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:22 PM

        The injuries involved are in direct proportion to the force of the hits involved.

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:22 PM

        You’re so used to what the Pens do every day that you think illegal hits are legal. Go food-process your head.

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:37 PM

        So hockey412 is a physics expert, as well?

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:42 PM

        You’re really not too bright, are you…

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM

        I’ll say one thing about you–you’re persistent in your lunacy.

  11. arckln - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    I’m curious to see how Leafs’ fans feel about him wearing the C on his chest. There’s got to be a better candidate on that roster.

  12. ironyisadeadscene - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    It was a dirty hit…Phaneuf is a d-bag…blah blah blah

  13. joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    atteckus, care to explain why Phaneuf didn’t leave the game on a stretcher? :-) You must be so disappointed.

    atteckus – Dec 8, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Yeah, its vigilante style justice. What of it? Perhaps the Pens and the rest of the NHL should make sure to not hit B’s players in the head. Cuz if you do, you’ll be leaving on a stretcher too.

  14. nhstateline - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    sorry, i know what both of those teams are saying and it’s starkly different. The Bruins are taking responsibility, the Penguins are making excuses. Both teams did despicable things in that game and I’m not just sticking up for the one I root for. They were wrong to do what they did and should be held accountable but so should the other team that was right there with them.Long suspension for Thornton, long suspension for Neal, fine for Dupuis. Long suspension for Phaneuf because of this hit and the track record Phaneuf has.

  15. montrealbbr - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    Totally clean hit. Did you notice there was no penalty called? Typical Boston crying about hits on their dirty players.

    • kovodisc - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:59 AM

      Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      The hit was on Kevin Miller – a player who has played 3 or 4 games in the NHL and a guy who scored his first career goal in the game last night.

      Please explain to me how/why he is a dirty player. I’m assuming it’s because he wears a Bruins Jersey…

    • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM

      And clearly a Montreal homer. These idiot trolls just get better and better.

  16. bruins4ever - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:29 AM

    hockey 412: So I like your thinking that Thornton should get 50, because the league is trying to get these hits out of the game. I’m curious how many do you think repeat offender (and by his statements – lier) Neal should get for intentionally trying to injure another player.

  17. slaugin - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    After what happend the night before, it’s amazing to me that people wanted the Bruins to go after Phaneuf. Games almost over and going on a PK with the goalie pulled. Going on a 6 on 3 would hardly do anything to send a message, these guys will see each other again.

    • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:27 PM

      Exactly right. Can’t say it any better. The Bruins took down his number, and I suspect he’ll have a “nice” headshot coming his way.

      Of course, if the league’s punishment system was a deterrent, there would be no need for frontier justice. But there it is.

  18. slaugin - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Thornton was wrong, but for Pens fans to say the Bruins are the cheap shot artist and their team can do no harm is just being a homer. Chris kelly is probably out longer than Orpik with a classless slash to his ankle, Eriksson gets a concussion and a defenseless Marchand get a Knee blow to the head. So who played dirtier than who?

  19. drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    How injured the player is shouldn’t be taken into account. If the league can rule what a dangerous hit is, they can suspend players based on what the LIKELY outcome of their hit was.

    This is why Thornton deserves big punishment, even though Orpik’s OK. And why Phaneuf deserves big punishment, even though it looks like Miller’s OK.

  20. theskinsman - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    I can’t wait to see how the diving, cheap shot Pens react when the Bruins play the body the whole game when they meet again..Hopefully Thornton gets off easy as he has no history. I don’t want anyone hurt, but if the referees can’t protect players by making appropriate calls, the players have to do it themselves.Neal got 5, so Thornton should get a similiar pass.

  21. Lupy Nazty Philthy - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    A hit from behind is a hit from behind. I don’t think it was dirty hit by Phaneuf. The slash by Clarkson, was… It put Miller into a vulnerable position just before Phaneuf laid his hit on him. If there’s no slash it’s just a normal hockey play in the corner.

    I actually think it will be a blessing in disguise if Phaneuf gets suspended for a handful of games. Leafs are in contract talks with the guy and he wants a lot of money. Would be nice to know for sure how vital or expendable he is to the team. Leafs next four games, Kings, Blues, Hawks and Pens, are all cup contenders. Leafs can find out fast how well they can do against top teams with no Phaneuf.

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