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Pens put Orpik on IR

Dec 9, 2013, 10:37 AM EDT

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The Pittsburgh Penguins have put Brooks Orpik on injured reserve, the club announced on Monday.

Orpik, 33, was hurt during an ugly incident against Boston on Saturday when he was jumped by Bruins forward Shawn Thornton. Orpik was thrown to the ice and punched, briefly losing consciousness before getting stretchered off and admitted to local hospital for observation.

The Penguins didn’t release Orpik’s injury, but it’s believed the veteran rearguard has suffered a concussion. Thornton has been suspended indefinitely pending an in-person hearing with the NHL’s Department of Player Safety.

Orpik had seven points in 30 games this season and was averaging over 22 minutes per night. Losing him is big, especially given all the injuries on the Pittsburgh blueline — the Penguins were already without Rob Scuderi (broken ankle) and Paul Martin (fractured tibia), both on IR.

To replace Orpik, the Pens recalled Brian Dumoulin from AHL Wilkes-Barre/Scranton.




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  1. ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    and they did it before the hearing, just so there’s no questions about the results of Thornton’s actions.

    • missthemexpos - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:54 AM

      Yes indeed, timing is everything.

      • lilroot9 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:16 PM

        Yes, timing is everything, but his hearing is not even scheduled yet, should they wait weeks to put him on IR? As a fan of NHL hockey, I think he needs to be severely suspended or it will drive more and more people to not watch this game (NHL hockey). I was hoping they would put him on IR even if he did not need it, cause for some reason, the injury effects the suspension, not sure why as the act was terrible, but if the player is ok, we forgive the act? Non hockey play, well after the whistle, throw the book at him NHL or else he will hurt another player.

        So I hear in post game, he was almost in tears apologizing. Why? Cause he was hurt? You punched a man when he was down, in the head 2-3 times, after slew footing him to the ice, but you are sorry? Try being sorry before you do stupid acts and play with respect. Almost in tears for hurting another player, without him even looking at you, you sir are embarrassing to the entire league!

      • rtookey - Dec 9, 2013 at 5:04 PM


        Yeah they need to suspend him so that things like kneeing to the face and foor breaking slashed dont happen… you know things that ALWAYS happen to other players that play the dirt ball penguins…

    • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:02 AM

      yes they did it just in time…for tonight’s game so they could make room and call up another defenseman and have enough guys on the ice. you can only carry a certain number of players on the roster. come on, you know better than this

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM

        dude I’m not saying they did it intentionally to screw Thornton… just saying that it was convenient that we know exactly what Thornton did so that he gets the maximum penalty possible for that goonery.

        once again, touchy ass penguins fans.

      • habhaters11 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        ibieiniid I am not a pens fan and I think you still sound dumb. it was a business move not to stab thornton with a longer suspension

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM

        i find it funny you reply with those particular words after I explained myself and said almost the exact same thing.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:26 PM

        i’m glad you were referring to me, i try not to get caught up in all this back and forth stuff, i refrained from commenting all weekend but people have got me going today, 2 days later still saying the same stuff

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        as much as I’m on here during the week, I rarely get on over weekends. for one, it’s usually a bunch of random trolls that aren’t there for logical hockey conversation. for two, I don’t work on the weekend, so I’m rarely in front of a computer lol.

        but I still love me a good back and forth Pens/Flyers fan argument. it’s part of the game as far as I’m concerned.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:22 AM

      “and they did it before the hearing, just so there’s no questions about the results of Thornton’s actions.” Certainly sounds like you’re implying that it was planned that way.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        actually, yeah, you’re right. rereading it, it does sound like that. that’s not what I meant to imply.

        how about:

        “and they did it before the hearing.

        there’s no questions about the results of Thornton’s actions.”

        eh, even that’s not so clear. honestly, didn’t mean to say they were doing it on purpose to lengthen Thornton’s suspension. it’s definitely convenient for this situation that the league know the outcome of what happened before assigning a length to the suspension. he needs to be made an example of. Hartnell punched a RedWing in a similar style last week, there needs to be a message to the players that punching an unsuspecting victim looks horrible.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        oh and apologies for saying you were touchy. you’re normally one of the less touchy ones, but I see why you thought I was attacking the Pens this time.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM

        You are aware that I am not a Pens fan. Right? I’m a huge hockey fan which allows me to stay objective as opposed to “touchy”. :-)

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        lol AND I misread who replied. I thought that was pelle replying again. apologies to you for thinking you were pelle as well.

        but yeah I know you aren’t a pens fan, but I’m not sure who your team actually is.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:17 PM

        I really don’t have a favorite team. I do watch more east coast games than west coast because of the time zone i’m in. I always try to watch the best 2 games on a given day. Could be more on weekends. These usually include the top 8 or 9 teams. Not much interest in watching Panthers vs Sabres.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:26 PM

        unrelated, can we PLEASE stop talking about all these different dirty plays as a whole? if you’re evaluating them differently than Shanahan will, you aren’t gonna get anywhere. Let’s look at them like Shanahan will, 3 (or is it 4) completely separate incidents with various levels of dirt to them. nobody DESERVED anything here. the idea that this league should take part in corporal punishment via fighting is debatable, but as far as dirty hit for dirty hit, we all know that’s wrong.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM

      Looks horrible… good have very grave consequences. Actually! Punching any player at any time can lead to very grave consequences.

      How about; there are no doubts about the consequences of Thornton’s action. Will the fact that Orpik was placed on IR today influence the number of games Thornton will be suspended? 😉

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        in Hartnell’s case, it probably didn’t cause that much damage (who did he punch wings fans, Abdelkader? I forget), that’s why I said “looks bad”

        but yeah, I do think the fact that he’s seriously injured will play into it. i’ll wait for Shanahanahanahan’s video to confirm that though.

    • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:04 PM

      Yeah- B’s fan here…

      This has nothing to do with the hearing. Everyone knows he is going to get suspended. 7-10 seems likely. I don’t really think the Pens are that focused on maximizing the number of days the B’s have without Thornton.

      If Caron keeps playing like he did yesterday Thornton may lose more games than just the suspension.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        would Bertuzzi have gotten such a huge suspension if Steve Moore was uninjured? nope. it plays in, but no, I don’t think they timed this intentionally, as you may have read after you posted this.

  2. hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    It makes me wonder…Shero ALWAYS has a goon on the roster, but never calls him up, even when he’s playing against goons. I know he wants to see the game change, but if he could have met goon on goon the first time Thornton wanted to go, maybe this wouldn’t have happened. Hopefully out just a few days. Thornton…hopefully gone for good.

    • habhaters11 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

      your an idiot

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:20 AM

        Ohhhhhhh you are a wizard of reason. If you have a case, make it. If not, don’t.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:21 AM

        And it’s “you’re”, by the way.

      • habhaters11 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:23 AM

        you seem like the kind of guy that would think thornton should be gone for good yet would praise matt cooke for his physical play

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      Oh! So now what Thornton did is Shero’s fault. How many more will be named before we blame Thornton, and why not Julien, and Chiarelli? No! Wait. It’s Bettman’s fault. C’mon man!

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:28 AM

        I’m not saying that it’s Shero’s fault, and I think Thornton’s contract with the Union should be terminated along with his contract. My point is simply why hire a goon if you refuse to use him? They never bring him up. Last time was against Ottawa, Big Mac came up. I’m just curious, really. I’m not even saying it definitely would have helped – this was as low-class and bush league as it gets.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      Only Shero knows why he doesn’t dress that type of player. Maybe he feels the team can win without him. Maybe he prefers talent over muscle. This article is about a player who suffered a concussion caused by a barbaric act for retribution for what was arguably a legal hit. What would have happened if Orpik or another enforcer would have fought Thornton? What if that fight would have happened and either combatant lands a lucky punch causing his the other to lose consciousness and leave on a stretcher or cause a concussion? How ironic that a player who was trying to police the game will actually get suspended for his brutal assault. Maybe that’s Shero’s point. Either way you’ve got to choose your words carefully. Especially when we’re talking about the current and future well being of a player.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM

        I agree with you. My point is – maybe it’s the goon that is concussed, and not the guy that just wants to play defense. Or maybe Thornton gets another concussion.

        I agree with the point you are trying to make. I just hate to see an honest player injured by an admitted goon.

    • cowboys282 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      Lol “first time Thornton wanted to go”

      Thornton wanted to fight Oprik because Orpik took a cheap shot at Loui Eriksson. It had nothing to do with Pitt having another “Goon” on the roster.

      It’s simple. Don’t cheap shot this doesn’t happen. Or if you are gonna cheap shot be a man about it when it is time to answer for your dirty actions.

      In one game Orpik takes a guys head off, Neal intentionally Knees someone who is down in the head, and Dupious uses his stick as a bat to shatter Chris Kelly’s ankle. And all we can talk about is Thornton.

      What makes Pitt fans so delusional. The same bunch that use to defend Matt Cookes actions. I swear I have never seen another fan base as delusional as Pitt. I guess they reflect the team they root for. A bunch of dirty sneaky cheap shot artists.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:26 PM

        A good, legal hit is only a cheap shot in Boston. that’s the irony here. The rest of your post is so ridiculous and stupid there’s not much I can say. I share your disregard for the oppossing fan base. I don’t think Boston fans like the game of hockey at all, actually – the hypocrisy flows like the water. They want all the violence they can get in a hockey game…they cheer it on repeatedly, before every game – but only if the Bruins don’t get hurt. Look at Amityville’s posts below – he wants Crosby CRUSHED next game. So if they go out and someone crushes Bergeron, he should be happy, right? You want violence, and here you go – you’re team’s hurting, and a good man was injured by your goon. You should all be elated. You cheer on injuries, don’t expect not to get any. As for me, I wish they were all ok, and Thornton was thrown from the league.

      • burgh916 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:46 PM

        Boston sure plays the victim card good.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM

        It wasn’t a good legal hit. The puck took a weird bounce off the boards and Eriksson never touched the puck. Never. Not once. when it took strange bounce he turned and through the stick in the direction but never made contact.

        If the puck had kept coming up the boards Eriksson is hit in the shoulder.

        What Orpik did was hit a guy who never touche the puck. He also hit the head with his shoulder.

        Pause at :51 – that is the frame to look at.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:14 PM

        this would help.

      • burgh916 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        Pepper. The puck clearly touches the back of his stick and redirects off of it slowing and bouncing in motion.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        I disagree, do you have another angle? I can’t find one and never saw one that show it. He swung his stick but looked to miss it to me. regardless he made contact with the head.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        This one is a bit better. I think it does glance off his stick. Contact and stick pretty much the same time. Pause at 7:40 and if you go in super slow motion; you can see the first thing that moves is Eriksson’s helmet. Contact to the head.

      • burgh916 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        I still don’t see a head shot. Normally a clear cut dirty head shot is a leap directly at the head. Orpik had his elbows tucked in staring down at Erikssons chest/right shoulder. I believe whiplash was likely the culprit to the concussion, once you have one, it’s easier to get another. We know all too much about that. In the end all we can do is wish for everyone to have a speedy recovery and hope all players don’t disregard anyone’s safety for the sake of a little game again. (Neal/Thornton mainly.)

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:41 PM

        Oh- I don’t think Orpik’s hit was dirty. I think he did make contact, but it doesn’t really matter what I think. If anything one game, as he is a clean player and if he made contact with head it was incidental. They showed one reply I can’t find where shoulder met head, but chest was primary point of contact, so it gets a little hazy.

        my point is at the very least it was questionable. If it were Boychuk and Sid; I am willing to bet someone goes after Boychuk.

        I am not trying to justify Thornton, I want to be clear about that. I just think the easy thing to do is only look at Thornton. Neal, and Orpik both play a part too.

        Just cause you (not you specifically) don’t like Marchand; it doesn’t justify it, and I think if Orpik doesn’t get knocked out (which I still can’t see how it happened) the most dangerous play was Neal. Neal tried to injure him, Thornton wanted to hurt him. semantics but like I said if that were Lucic Kicking Sid in the head- The league would be calling for Lucic’s head.

        I get that Marchand is easily hateable, but to me its like manslaughter and homicide. If Marchand were concussed which I think was the more likely scenario in the two incidents would Pens fans feel the same way.

        Then there is Dupuis. The pens are not saints is all I am saying.

        Either way: Neal, Thornton and Dupuis all did things to make the game of hockey to look bad.

    • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM

      Yeah- you are full of it. I have seen Pens do far worse. He made a mistake. It was a bad play and he deserves to be suspended. If Orpik doesn’t get knocked out by a weak a$$ jab then everyone is talking much differently.

      There have been two dozen worse sucker punches this season.

      This one ended bad, but this wasn’t a Bertuzzi type incident. He wasn’t trying to do what he did. He was trying to jab and get him to fight. You heard Thornton; they have a (good) history and skated together in the lockout.

      I am not justifying what he did, but to be completely ignorant to what the Pens did just lacks intelligence.

      Thornton made an emotional mistake that 99% of the time ends differently. He should pay for his decision.

      Neal tried to injure a guy by kicking him in the head. That to me is worse

      the hit on Eriksson was also interference and there was contact to the head. Not saying he needs to expect what happened to happen, but he needed to know he had to answer the bell at some point. If Boychuk ran Kunitz like that and England was chasing him around trying to get him to go, do you think he would have. Even if it’s just a wrestling match.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:33 PM

        Thornton’s an embarassment to hockey and should be shown the door. This was not an attempt to get a guy to fight, you moron…the FIRST time Thornton approached him was an attempt to get him to fight. This was a slewfoot takedown when a guy wasn’t expecting it and then subsequent sucker punches. Worst thing I’ve ever seen play out – but I’ll bet Boston fans have seen worse, huh. Pittsburgh players don’t fight over clean hits.

        Neal made a bad play and he should be penalized in accordance with the fact that Marchand got up and played the rest of the game. The fact that anyone can call it worse then putting a guy in the hospital is beyond moronic. Whether it was even as bad as it looked we’ll never know…Marchand is the KING of diving.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:06 PM

        Thank you for proving you are a troglodyte.

        You simply cannot have an unbiased conversation.

        I can say Neal’s was worse because it was his intention to kick a guy in the head.
        Thornton did not slew foot him. He pulled him down and jabbed him.

        To say what you are saying about Thornton is a joke. The guy is one of the most well respected guys in the league. That is why this is so surprising.

        The Fact that you are trying to defend another grown man kicking another grown man in the head is a joke. You are the ONLY one defending Neal.

        If Orpik wasn’t Glass Joe’s Doppelganger than Thornton gets maybe one game, I could show you 10+ plays where guys are throwing punches at unsuspecting guys.

        Why is Dupuis not an embarassement to the game too? He used his composite stick as a weapon to break a guys leg?

        It’s one thing to be biased, but you take it to another level.

        No, I don’t think Dupuis should be banned from hockey even though the injury he caused will keep kelly out longer than Orpik will be out, but i guess it’s cause Thornton used his fist instead of a weapon… oh wait…

    • hazlydose - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM

      Please tell us more how players like Shawn Thornton protect other players from players like Shawn Thornton. The goon-deterrence theory has severe flaws.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        I agree completely – all it does is give Thornton someone to challenge. I say take them all out of hockey.

  3. atteckus - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Good, he’ll have a lot of time to think about why he should keep his hits at shoulder-level or below. He deserves a suspension for his hit on Eriksson, but I guess he’ll try to milk out sympathy and avoid getting the disciplinary record he richly deserves. Orpik is a punk. He got punked for it. He deserved it. And he’ll get it again if he ever tries to come up high on another Bruin.

    • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:09 AM

      I didn’t see him hit Eriksson in the head? Maybe it’s hard to see the game clearly on those Black and Gold tinted TV’s. Clean hit, said the ref, says the league. The Bruins are trash.

      • habhaters11 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:20 AM

        wow its not the Bs fault the pens are full on panzy ass players.

      • runhigh24 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:26 AM

        ironically the Penguins fans TV’s would be black and gold tinted as well.

      • faylow88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM

        The follow through clips the chin. He wouldn’t be concussed if he wasn’t hit in the neck and head.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM

      you’re an idiot, he hit him square in the chest. watch it again. he wont get suspended just like he didnt get a penalty for a clean hit. its hockey, you can hit. ericksson should keep his head up with one of the most well respected big hitters in the league on the ice.

      • amityvillefun - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM

        Crosby will get the same lesson next time he meets the Bruins. Count on it.

        Keep your head up Cindy. It’s coming. Tick-tock.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:06 PM

        i doubt your sentiment here will come true, but if it helps you sleep better at night hoping that a bunch of guys you dont know and arent friends with enact some kind of perverted street justice on an innocent guy who you also dont know and hasnt done anything to you or your loved ones…then so be it.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:30 AM

      atteckus, get hold of your emotions and stop being so bloody whinny. Read the rule for this hit;

      Rule 48.1; A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable can be considered.

      BTW, Why didn’t the Bs go after Phaneuf vigilante style like you said they would?

      atteckus – Dec 8, 2013 at 2:42 PM

      Yeah, its vigilante style justice. What of it? Perhaps the Pens and the rest of the NHL should make sure to not hit B’s players in the head. Cuz if you do, you’ll be leaving on a stretcher too.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        they didnt go after pacioretty for his board on boychuk either. bruins fans should just admit what it is, penguins fans are already used to it. when you have the skill and success the penguins have had over the past 6-7 years, people just start hating them…the media and all the praises crosby and malkin get for being the best doesnt help people like them or the team either. everybody wants to take a piece of the penguins, they are just looking for an excuse to do it, bruins included. this orpik hit wasnt a good reason and orpik is a good guy and pretty well respected in the league, the neal one was worthy of some kind of “justice” but no one went after him either though…makes no sense.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:52 AM

        Maybe no one went after Neal is because the Bs have little respect for Marchand. Just being sarcastic. But! One has to wonder why they didn’t.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:52 AM

        Maybe no one went after Neal because the Bs have little respect for Marchand. Just being sarcastic. But! One has to wonder why they didn’t.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM

        Nobody went after Phaneuf because of Orpik – I don’t think anyone wanted to see anything like that again.

        Nobody went after Pacioretty cause it was a borderline penalty that resulted in a unfortunate injury.

        Nobody went after Neal because he skated DIRECTLY to the bench. Then Orpik happened so all bets were off at that point.

        I have to disagree with you 100% about the Bruins hating the Pens for their success and talent; and that is why they went after them. The Devils have been to and won the same amount of Cups since 2003. The Bruins have been to and won the same, the Blackhawks have won more.

        I think that is the problem really, the entitlement. The Pens have Sid and Malkin and think you are better than you are because you have those guys. I fear and respect Chicago a heck of a lot more than the Pens. I also don’t have distain for them because them because they are not dirty.

        It’s easy to point out Thornton, but what about Neal and Dupuis- that type of thing is not new to the Pens.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:08 PM

        I’m not the one that the Bs hate the Pens for their success. I think the rivalry is great, but obviously got of control. Neal deserved what he got. I agree about fearing more the Hawks than the Pens. Hawks are a well oiled machine. Only question mark so far appears to be Crawford. Perhaps he misses his old goalie coach. Fickle guys these goalies. It’s takes one to understand one.

      • faylow88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM

        This has everything to do with last years playoffs. The Pens and Habs have both tried to play a heavy game but since their players aren’t really those type of players they play a little cheap and the real heavy teams won’t tolerate it.

        Orpik should have fought Thorton not that he had to go toe to toe but he could have held him off and not gotten beat up that much. Orpik does have a glass jaw as the punches he received were short jabs across the jaw as there wasn’t enough room to wind up.

      • joey4id - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:36 PM

        I completely disagree with you on a couple of points. No one in the NHL should be obligated to fight, which is one of the benefits of the instigator rule. Players need to have the ability to decide whether or not they want to fight. It’s NOT part of the essence and spirit of the game. Secondly, looked to me that Thornton nailed Orpik with his elbow pad, which is as hard as a stick, or a closed fist without the puck.

  4. amityvillefun - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Bet he’s back quicker than Eriksson or Kelly.

    Pittsburgh hockey: where it is completely OK to knee somebody in the head while they are down (as long as you pretend it never happened)…and to break a players leg with a slash or to line up a guy that just got back from a concussion.

    But hey, it’s the other team’s fault, right?

    Don’t cry when Crosby is laid out in the playoffs. When it counts.

    • curioustraveler13 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      You are the biggest POS type of hockey fan. Glad your a bruin fan. You represent them well.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:23 AM

        There are hockey fans from Boston, and then there are Bruins fans. Very rarely are they the same person.

      • habhaters11 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        im not saying what thornton did was right. but clean hit on eriksson or not orpik knew he has already had a concussion once in this young season. so he should have went with thornton. and yet the neal kneeing to the head?? thats just about as bad as what thornton did. you think the Bs are dirty?? look at yourself.

    • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

      He lined up from behind, though, and slewfooted and punched him with his head on the ice. Even the moron of a coach doesn’t defend those pitiful actions.

      Neal’s actions were horrible, no one (not one) person I’ve seen on here said it was ok. The league scheduled a hearing, also…so I’m not sure what you’re talking about there. He kneed him so hard in the head that Marchand got up and played the rest of the game, though, so keep your BS in perspective at least.

      So, you are saying, “it’s the other team’s fault” in the middle of your rant about how it is the other team’s fault? No one wants to see Eriksson injured, but, it was a clean hit. No reason to answer a bell for a clean hit, no reason to do what Thornton did. Someone should have asked Neal to dance, if that’s what they wanted. They did not.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

        You need to be careful when you are talking about “so hard”

        There were 40 guys dressed that night 39 would not have been knocked out from Thornton’s ‘punch’.

        Also, if Neal hadn’t have kneed the guy in the head and skated off the ice as fast as possible maybe Thornton would have been able to address the issue with him.

        The very easy thing to do is look at the result and only the result. there were factors that led to it. I don’t like what Thornton did, nobody does, but Orpik has the A on his jersey and Sid or Kunitz aren’t about to answer on behalf of their teams dirty play, so Thornton went after a guy roughly his size. He thought there would be some fight or flight response, but there wasn’t.

        Regardless of what YOU think; the Eriksson hit was AT LEAST questionable (meaning Eriksson never touched the puck and got hit): Then the Neal knee. I am 100% sure if those things didn’t happen we are not talking about what Thornton did.

        Guys been in the league for 11+ years and 500+ games as a “goon” and never been suspended. That says more than your opinion.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        Here’s where it gets interesting though – so what you are saying is it is in the best interest of the Pens to put someone on the bench that Thornton can challenge according to your “code of ethics” (which doesn’t exits). Enter John Scott. Not a good result for Thornton last time. But that’s goon on goon. I’m all for removing both players. Guys shouldn’t have to answer for clean hits, Thornton hadn’t done anything all game long but go after someone for a fight. Sure, the Pens can dress a good for nothing goon so that Thornton can have another caveman to communicate with – or they can both leave it for the parking lot like real men and let the rest of us watch the game. You are the only one idiotic enough to try and play the honor card with Thornton right now.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM


        No, you don’t understand. It wasn’t a clean hit. it wasn’t. Please show me where Eriksson touched the puck.

        What honor card? I am saying Neal had a bigger history of incidents in a shorter amount of time. I am telling you it was not the norm. That is not his type of game.

        What I am telling you is; it is in the best interest of the Pens not to play dirty, and when they do, don’t act like you are surprised there was retaliation.

        I am also telling you that if the Neal play and the Thornton play happen 100 times. 99 times Marchand is the one leaving injured. This was the time.

        What about Dupuis using a weapon? should he not expect anything next time they meet? If they attempted to fight him and he says no, then what?

        nothing? or should they break his ankle and all is good?

        My last point is the Bruins and their fans acknoledge what The B’s and Thornton did wrong. Pens fans – like yourself seem to not be able to understand that Neal and Dupuis actions were just as dangerous as Thorntons. Like I said, Kelly will miss more time that Orpik, but that’s OK?

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        Yes, you tard. So sayeth the league, so sayeth the refs, so sayeth anyone not a Bruins fan, Eriksson DID touch the puck, and it WAS a clean hit. Rough hit, sure. But legal. If it weren’t Shanny would at least review it – he’s not even doing that.

        Quit with the “our little diver could have been fataly injured” stuff – the little jerk got right up, like he does every time he embellishes, and finished the game.

        No, Dupuis shouldn’t expect JACK from the goon squad next time, though I’m sure most people in Boston are hoping for more violence, becuase that is what the team is good at. Kelly and Dupuis were slapping for the puck, and it was a senseless move by Dupuis in which a guy got hurt. Happens in hockey – doesn’t mean the goon squad has to hunt him down. It has happened this year over and over.

        Neal’s ridiculous actions didn’t result in any injury. There most definitely WAS a slewfoot and Thornton’s could well have ended the career or Orpik. No one is DEFENDING any actions, but you live by being goons, you take a LONG, LONG walk when you cross the line. Thornton should be OUT. GONE. DONE. I hope they schedule his hearing for next year, the un-admireable and talentless POS. and now, we can add honorless pansy to this list, as he jumped a guy from behind like that. I’m glad, he’s earned the press. As has the boston team in general.

        We have players out – lots of them, because of things like Kelly’s injury. It’s ‘unfortunate’ and ‘you never want to hurt a player’ are ALL the acknowledgement you’re going to get, POS. You’ve earned only that much.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        There is blame to go around everywhere.

        It’s all bad for the game. Don’t get me wrong; I like physical play and I think fighting has it’s place in the game.

        This, Everything about this was bad.

        The thing that worries me the most is the Pens lack of responsibility. Neal, Dupuis and Bylsma.

        At least Thornton had the balls to accept responsibility for what he did. Then Pens still think they didn’t do anything.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      but its ok to punch a guy in the head when they are down? or slew foot a guy behind the net on a forecheck (marchand on niskanen, even your homer announcers called him out in the 1st period for it). not gonna make excuses for neal, but he doesnt claim to be the most honorable player in the league like thornton apparently does and he’s probably on the same level as marchand as far as sneaky dirty play goes. that tap by dupuis while he was trying to get the puck was just flukey bad luck unfortunately but s*** happens and dupuis is not a dirty player by any stretch, never has been. dont be so hypocritical, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones, i’m sure you’ve heard that one before.

    • jtowme - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:27 AM

      Knee in the head was wrong, no doubt, and Neal should get a suspension.

      You’re obviously a Bruins fan if you’ve skewed the incident to say that attacking someone from behind and hitting them while they are down AND after you’ve already knocked them out is okay. The slash on the leg was what hockey players do, if you watch the replay, he returned the slash to Duper’s leg. Nothing called either way.

      I think you seem to be overlooking the play of Marchand. He’s one of the dirtier players in the league, hardly ever gets called and rarely fights. I guess it’s okay for him to cheap shot somebody and skate away after they take a penalty. Sounds kind of like what Orpik did doesn’t it.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:38 AM

        Figure it out guys, its in between! Its just ridiculous to hear this rationalization from both sides. Neal and Thornton should be disciplined equally. Why? Intent was clearly the same. Both were terrible, greasy plays. Orpik may have ended up in worse shape, but it could have just as easily been marchand on the stretcher. Don’t forget Neal has a history of this sort of thing. I don’t understand how you can rationalize one as worse than the other. They were both embarrassing plays.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        hahahahaha Neal and Thornton should be penalized EQUALLY? hahahahahahahah you POS.

    • amityvillefun - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      I’m a POS hockey fan because I don’t like seeing the players I root for injured?

      How can you people think that breaking a guy’s leg is OK or that kneeing a downed player in the skull is OK?

      I’m only a “POS” in my comment because I mention CROSBY getting hurt. You don’t like that.

      Well, guess what, I didn’t like seeing Kelly, Eriksson or Marchand hacked and hurt either.

      As long as it doesn’t happen to a Penguin, it’s A-OK!

      The Penguins play dirty. It will come back to haunt them when it counts. Tick tock.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:11 PM

        I think he means you’re a POS because you’re one of the dumbest and creepiest people commenting on here and while everyone is all hopped up commenting about who was more wrong (it was Thornton, by the way), you are actually on here saying there should be MORE violence. Regardless of who that violence is to, you win the worst-hockey-fan-EVER award.

        And you’re also a POS.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM

        i really hope you keep saying tick tock in every post for the next five months until the bruins MIGHT play the penguins again. you’re a fool if you think the bruins will take a shot at someone and risk putting their team in a hole in a playoff series, you know that right? i would hate for you to keep checking your watch and your calendar all this time hoping for something that probably wont happen…

    • burgh916 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:52 PM

      Every Pens fan I know acknowledges what Neal did was wrong..
      What’s truly unnerving, and quite frankly getting on my last nerves is this complete and utter victim card B’s fans are playing. Have to hear about how dirty everyone else is, who else needs suspended for clean hits, maybe Orpik should do this or that… Look out your star player is gonna get hurt the next time you play the Bruins, etc. etc. etc. woe is me.
      Grow up, that’s the least you can do. Wish well for all players, not point fingers and wish for more injuries, but it’s not in your blood.

      • faylow88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM

        The reality is Orpik should have expected Thorton or one of the other B’s to get in his face after the big hit on Eriksson. He should have dropped the gloves and that would have ended the madness. The B’s were pissed about the hit and the Pen’s were trying to send a message to the B’s that they aren’t pus-ies. The Pen’s were embarrassed in the playoffs and this is the last meeting between these teams until the playoffs. The B’s couldn’t leave this game without extracting some blood and the Neal hit to Marchands head was the last straw.

  5. orangeandblack67 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Hate to see a guy get hurt but the pens have had this coming for a long time. This team takes so many liberties behind the play and after the whistle and I mean flat out dirty stuff that it was bound to happen to one of their guys. They should just be happy it wasn’t one of their two leading ladies. I mean orpik for Ericsson and Marchand doesn’t seem like a fair trade off.

    • curioustraveler13 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:16 AM

      Spoken like a true flyer fan.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM

        Something tells me no matter what team he was a fan if, your comment would be typical”insert team” fan. Its getting old. That’s all this site is. A bruins fan isn’t allowed to defend his teams player without being some barbaric biased tinted glasses wearing imbecile. Flyers fan can’t make a comment without being a typical flyers fan. It kills me that two players have suffered the same injury yet one play is deemed legal while the other an atrocity. Yeah, Thornton gets what he gets but you are all liars if you say you’d be ok with those hits being delivered to your star players.

        And he’s not wrong, the pens have a reputation. Not one of being overly tough like Boston and Philly, one of slashing and taking cheap shots behind the play, then cowering behind the ref and crying wolf after. How many of these type games do the pens have to be a part of before people begin connecting the dots?

    • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      Right – the Flyers have traditionally been one of the cleanest teams in the league. If you turn down the sound on the next broadcast, you might not feel that way. Use your OWN eyes.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        when did he say anything about the Flyers?

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:04 PM


  6. sjsharks66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Everyone is more upset about Orpik’s hit rather than the hit that concussed Ericksson in the first place.
    When a player is cleared to play the opposing team is not going to just give them all the ice to skate around and score. Especially skilled guys like Ericksson.

  7. bruinpred - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    I’m a Bruins fan and I believe that Thornton deserves a lengthy suspension. Although my opinion is that there was no reason for Orpik to blast Eriksson, Thornton can’t react that way. Part of the frustartion is that we all know that if the situation was reversed, Thornton, Boychuck, Chara, Lucic, McQuaid, Campbell, Iginla, Kelly, Seidenberg, Miller etc. would have dropped their gloves. The B’s don’t hide behind the refs.

    However, I don’t understand why Neal’s blatant knee to Marchand’s head (which he doesn’t deny was on purpose) is being handled over the phone. Neal and Marchand got lucky because the result could have been similar to what happened to Orpik.

    The problem overall with the league is that headhunters like Orpik and Kronwell can legally injure people with no repercussions. Brian Boyle skates around like a tough guy and then turtles. Phaneuf boards a guy with the game basically over. There is no respect among players at all.

    • amityvillefun - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:29 AM

      100% agree.

      And for the record, Thornton deserves what he gets. Will the Pens get what they deserve? Doubt it.

      In Pittsburgh, kneeing a guy who is down and breaking legs with slashes are completely acceptable. If you are in a Penguins uniform, that is.

      If it was CROSBY with the broken leg or concussion, it would be a totally different story.

      Whatever. Hockey’s golden boys can do no wrong in the eyes of the NHL.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        Scuderi is out with a broken ankle – from a Clarkson hit – completely acceptable…we didn’t complain. Martin is out with a broken shin, which I believe was actually from a wayward slash. We didn’t complain.

        By the way – golden boy’s hearing is today, actually.

      • ejheim62 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:38 PM

        that’s bunk. I haven’t seen one Penguins fan on here who’s said Neal’s hit was ok with them. Everyone knows it was a cheap shot. As for the slash….that’s a toughie. I don’t honestly think he MEANT to break the guy’s leg, and both of them were slashing each other. Sometimes, shyte happens. Unfortunate, but not a deliberate attempt to injure someone.

    • curioustraveler13 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:29 AM

      Orpik hit in Ericsson was clean. Why should he have to fight for a clean hit when were already short 2 of our best dman and our playing guys called up from the minors, and put his team at a disadvantage for 5 minutes for a clean hit. You want retribution? Then have a guy put a clean hit on orpik. You don’t have to fight after every big hit. This isn’t nhl14.

      • amityvillefun - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:39 AM

        Because if a Bruin creamed Crosby (who has a concussion history like Eriksson now does), they probably would have to answer for it.

        This is the reason respect has gone out the window in the game. Fighting has lost its purpose. If you injured a guy (clean or not) in the past you had to answer for it.

        I ask you this: If it was Crosby on the ice concussed, would you be OK with your players doing nothing about it and letting it slide?

        Thought not.

      • curioustraveler13 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:49 AM

        You are too dumb to argue with amity ville. You can’t fix stupid .

    • habhaters11 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:33 AM

      well said

    • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      Orpik believes in playing hockey – never fights. He doesn’t believe fighting has a place. He doesn’t need to fight, he’ll hit you cleanly and legally – like he did. He plays with purpose. The Pens don’t demand someone fights when they make a good, clean hit, either. So your frustration that you can’t get your way and fight whoever you want, whenever you want, is about as pointless as defending Thornton, which I’m glad to see you are not. There are plenty of players that will fight, if they need to, just ask Bergeron how Malkin’s knuckles taste…but that’s not the game. What you described is goonery, not honor.

      There is no honor in a man like Thornton. He’s scum that should have his contract terminated. He can donate his brain on the way out for concussion research – he’s not using it anyway.

      • cadlow - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM

        Thornton has “NEVER” been suspended in his career, prior to this action. That being said. His actions were unforgivable. As a B’s fan I was extremely disappointed in his actions. Not just because he jumped Orpik from behind but because his response should have been aimed at Neal for his total cheap shot at another player laying on the ice. Thornton is an old style player whos job is to police the ice. Which for the bulk of his career he has done and is well respected through out the league among other players for it. Neal will get a game or 2, but like Thornton his suspension should be lengthy. Orpiks hit on Erickson technically was legal, but in the unwritten rules of the players it was dirty. The refs blew the call. They should have called interference atleast as Erickson was not even close to the puck. Which would have diffused the whole situation.

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM

        I’ve never been arrested. If I snap, commit an awful attack and kill someone, does my ‘honor’ stay in tact? Am I still respected?

        Nope. Toss him out. I really do not think Thornton is respected, either. He’s considered a goon. That’s all.

        “Orpiks hit on Erickson technically was legal, but in the unwritten rules of the players it was dirty. The refs blew the call.” ….Um, no. the puck hit Eriksson’s stick. That’s why it wasn’t called. The hit was vicious, nasty…and legal. So engage the Pens team and hit someone viciously – hits are legal in the rulebook. If you can’t play that way and win, don’t play. Do us all a favor.

    • steelpenbucs87 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      Agreed – I think 5 games (the max for a phone hearing is too short). Should be 7-10 IMHO. No place for that.

      I wouldn’t call Orpik a head-hunter… the guy has only been suspended once in his career if I remember correctly. The hit he laid on Eriksson was clean – shoulder to chest just after the puck had gone between his feet. As for him not dropping the gloves – never really been his style. You can call him a wuss, or a pansy or any manner of names for that, but its just not really what he does.

      Here’s wishing everyone involved – Kelly, Orpik, Marchand (although I believe he did return so he should be alright), and Eriksson a speedy recovery.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:40 AM

      orpik is a pretty well respected guy in the league, he’s an active players association guy and not known to run his mouth. he was suspended early in his career and has since been the textbook example of playing within the lines of legal body checking rules. he’s a big hitter and clean. he doesnt fight and he shouldnt have had to for a legal hit the other night either. he was smart not to, thornton cost his team 2 goals because he acted like a fool out there. its funny to me that bruins fans are up in arms about this hit, you guys should rememeber the one he put on paille a couple seasons ago, nobody went chasing him down after that one but for some reason this hit is somehow out of character or deemed to be more egregious because it was on a guy who just came back from injury? i mean you say it in your own words, unless you want the league to eliminate hitting, guys are going to be injured “legally”, its part of the game.

    • jtowme - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      I agree with most of what you say. Except, I disagree that Orpik should have dropped the gloves. Thornton took a penalty twice trying to get him to fight. It’s a good thing if you can get the opponent so focused on you that they take stupid penalties. That’s part of the game. It’s what Marchand does on a nightly basis. He doesn’t drop them much.

      The Bruins totally ignored the knee to the head by Neal to cheap shot Orpik. What Neal did was inexcusable. What Thornton did was even more inexcusable because he went above and beyond throwing Orpik down. He continued to hit him after he was out and, if you watch the replay, he even tried to put a knee in his ear after the refs were pulling him off. He lost it, pure and simple, and he needs to take his medicine. But you are right, respect among players is gone and that’s a shame.

    • hazlydose - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM

      Orpik is one of the players that believes that fighting should be eliminated from the game. He was sticking to his own honor code, just as Thornton was sticking to his in trying to fight him.

      P.S. I’m not implying that part of Thorton’s “code” was to ambush Orpik, I am referring to the incidents that occurred immediately following the hit.

  8. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM


    your point is duly noted while understanding your inference

    following the causal chain:

    eriksson is drilled with extreme force and concussed by orpik

    in the collision, orpik engaged the same concussive forces and damaging energy as did eriksson…

    imagine two cars colliding head-on at speed on a two lane highway. both cars are written off, with no one in either vehicle escaping injury

    the same laws of physics apply to colliding bodies anywhere in the universe as energy is dispersed between colliding bodies

    subsequent to his collision with eriksson, orpik had no interest in engaging thornton, in the moment or during thornton’s subsequent attack…i believe orpik was already himself concussed, and feared further contact of the sort a fight would involve

    a healthy orpik is no shrinking violet, and was not likely to turn down thornton’s invitation to waltz; he knew full well someone from the bruins would be coming for him, while following the prescribed code and league nurtured notion of self-policing

    throughout thornton’s attack minutes later, orpik remained passive, accepting punches from a gloved hand that were not delivered with anymore intent than sending a message…a healthy orpik would have been moving like a cut cat as soon as he was slew-footed by thornton

    mitigating the extent of responsibility held by thornton for orpik’s injuries is the likelihood orpik was already concussed in the course of hammering eriksson

    what remains to be seen is whether orpik is man enough to accept responsibility in proportion for injuries effectively self inflicted

    ditto the penguins organization, and the league itself…

    • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:56 AM

      lol I can always rely on you for an interesting perspective. but I wanna clarify again, the inference was unintended… even IF you may think they did it to duly punish Thornton.

  9. sjsharks66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    I keep seeing these responses that say if Crosby got concussed it would be a different story. Did any of the 2 players that concussed crosby, one being a blind side hit on a player without the puck, get suspended??

    People need to stop pretending that the Pens get special treatment. Neal will get suspended and so will Thornton. Nothing else in that game calls for a suspension. The Dupuis slash was unfortunate but not on purpose. I understand why Bruins fans think it was. After the hit on Eriksson, every injury was “cause by a cheap shot”.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM

      Steckel’s hit was clearly accidental. I hope that fact doesn’t get lost in history, as it seems it often is already.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM

        oh man, the thumbs tell me you guys need a refresher

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:23 PM

        yeah thats debatable still for some…i never called for his head or had any kind of definitive opinion on it but we will never really know on that one. water under the bridge in my book, feel bad for steckel actually…would hate to be the guy with that kind of stigma hanging over my head (warranted or not), especially since his career is hanging on by a thread these days.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:32 PM

        I don’t know, I think he was undervalued by Washington, and unless I didn’t see him get sent back to Norfolk this weekend, he’s getting his chance on the Ducks again right now. He’s a good player and would be great as their 4th line center. He’s better than Smith Pelly anyway (I think the Ducks had him at center, correct?)

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        lol god damn you Penguins fans are f’ing blind.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        ya i dont follow the western teams like i should, i just know he had been passed around a bit since he left washington has been up and down and on a couple different teams since.

      • hazlydose - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        This hit actually was the first thing I thought of when I saw Neal’s knee. Not saying that Neal’s was an accident, but the clipping of the head at skating speed is very similar. Marchand is lucky he wasn’t hurt.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:43 PM

        i agree. it can’t be comfortable taking a knee to the head that spins you around 180degrees. i was surprised he’s fine.

  10. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    penguins supporters on the orpik v. eriksson collision repeated ad nauseam:

    “it was a good clean hockey hit.”

    joseph goebbels on the big lie:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    • ejheim62 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM

      so now the Penguins and fans are being compared to the leading propagandist for the Nazis? Man, you really are stretching it there. Good Lord.

  11. hairpie2 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Am I the only one wondering how Orpik got so hurt from 2 punches from Thornton while he still had his gloves on?

    • ejheim62 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      I think when Orpik was pulled down, he banged his head on the ice. The punches didn’t really look like they landed all that well, but hey, I wasn’t right there, so i’m only guessing.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:56 PM

      it’s definitely odd, but we’ve seen odd concussions before. Seguin’s concussion a week or two ago was on a routine hit that coach said “caught him right.” he meant “wrong,” but you get the point.

      but no, I don’t think you’re the only one that said “I’ve seen worse than that with no concussion 100x before…” or something to that effect. concussions are mysterious creatures.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

      the slew foot is the most dangerous play in hockey, pretty sure thats where he got hurt, he looked out already when the punches were thrown.

  12. hazlydose - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    So can we stop with these moronic conspiracy theories that Orpik faked being unconscious and embellished so much as to warrant the necessity of the stretcher? Or is this just a move to ensure that Thornton will get a longer suspension? I understand that this is a small, yet vocal, minority of Bruins fans that still believe this, before I get attacked for lumping you all together.

    • cheetah440 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM

      Don’t blame us for being shocked at such a glass jaw. Seems almost unimaginable to some of us. No wonder he turtled and would stand up for his horrible hit on Eriksson. It would have been a greater embarrassment.

      • sjsharks66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:24 PM

        Wonder how long you would last from 2 punches from Thornton. Put your steel jaw to the test, eh?

  13. stretch61 - Dec 9, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Thornton should not be allowed to play until Orpik can play and then be suspended a number of games more.

  14. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM


    do something the dull-witted are unaccustomed to doing…grasp the idea of the big lie…

    essential to all forms of propaganda, including the greatest right wing propaganda machine in the world, the united states of america

    penguins supporters in these pages –at least those who’ve dragged themselves out of the divot in their swivel chairs and actually played hockey at some point in their lives– know perfectly well the orpik hit was a pure and simple trashing of a vulnerable eriksson who had not come within four feet of touching, let alone playing, let alone gaining meaningful possession of the puck

    yet these same penguin supporters complete with the hanger-on wannabees come in here arguing it was a clean hockey play, presumably representative of good sportsmanship in the spirit of hockey itself…

    propagating their lie sufficiently often in support of a twisted ideal to be considered for what it is, a ‘big lie’

    but you can be forgiven: you’re american…you eat propaganda garbage everyday of your lives, it’s part of what being american is…

    in the meantime, piss off you lying smug sons of bees; lie to yourselves, not to people who play and know the game of hockey

    • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM

      Agree with most of this, except that the left has their own set of institutional lies that they push. They’re not as egregious as the right’s, though.

  15. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    five games for neal…

  16. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:43 PM


    too right…

    all hierarchical structures are subject to corruption supported by promotion of overriding agenda…overt and hidden

    the left wing can be every bit as bad, presuming right to unwarranted moral high ground chief among their sins

    what’s maddening in either case, is willingness of the masses to be caught-up in mood of the moment, pandering to need for inclusion…comfort in numbers and the herd mentality

    the greater casualty is discriminating thought from the minority made so by rush of the popular tide bristling with abuse and personal attack

  17. cheetah440 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Seen harder punches in grade school.

    the real victim is Eriksson, one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet and he was maliciously and viciously leveled in a dirty fashion. Not shedding any tears for Orpik, he made his bed.

    • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      Yeah. I’m sorry for the league, really–they could get this crap out of the game, but they won’t, for some reason. I’m certainly not sorry for Orpik, who along with other Pens have a history of doing stuff that can cause similar damage to what Thornton inflicted.

    • josephusus - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM

      Even the league agrees it was a clean hit. Or is that a conspiracy to help the Penguins in your opinion? Some people are just nuts…

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        If it was clean, why were Orpik’s hands and stick up around Loui’s face? While Loui wasn’t near the puck?

      • hazlydose - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:30 PM

        Orpik’s hand and stick were never up near Eriksson’s face and he never contacted the head. Go pause the video at the moment of impact. You clearly see shoulder to chest. And Loui was near the puck, he turns to receive it off the boards and if you look closely you can actually see it deflect off his stick…

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