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Orpik suffers from concussion, including memory loss

Dec 9, 2013, 11:22 PM EDT

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The Pittsburgh Penguins provided some updates on injured defenseman Brooks Orpik, and while there’s a little optimism sprinkled into the mix, it’s mostly disturbing news.

The team announced that the 33-year-old is dealing with a concussion. In addition to that, he’s experiencing soreness in his neck and back alongside headaches.

“(Sunday) he definitely had soreness because of the situation in the neck and back and had a headache,” Head coach Dan Bylsma said. “He’s dealing with a concussion. I don’t know how long that’s going to be.”’s Dan Rosen fills in some troubling details about Orpik’s memory loss:

There was some optimism regarding Orpik’s condition on Monday morning, but it turns out that was relative, as his status was at least promising compared to being taken off the ice on a stretcher (as the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s Seth Rorabaugh reports).

The hockey world is still waiting to see what kind of punishment Shawn Thornton (currently suspended indefinitely) will receive for the incident that injured Orpik. The Penguins defenseman drew Thornton’s ire for a big hit on Loui Eriksson, which left the Bruins forward concussed.

The Penguins already placed Orpik on the IR earlier on Monday.

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  1. naterealgood - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Breaking news. Penguins organization scrambles to save face by falsely proclaiming exagerated injuries to Orpik which was selfishly provoked by his own teammates’ cowardice blatant intent to injure.

    Bruins go on to defeat Penguins 3 – 2 in final moments of hockey game.

    More to come…

    • bobhpine - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:48 AM

      Pathetic. Actually, it’s more sad than pathetic…and I’m not not talking about your poor grammar or spelling.

      There are idiots in all walks of life and surely there are people like this Nate person who follow football and baseball and basketball, but it sure seems like the sheer percentage of vicious people who are hockey fans is enormous.

      So many hockey fans seem wholly incapable of judging senseless violence for what it is. They have to rationalize it with some nonsensical reference to some other dirty play perpetrated against their team in the past, as if somehow what Shawn Thronton did to Brooks Orpik finally brings justice for the terrible hit that ended Marc Savard’s career, or Cam Neely’s. Every score must settled to these idiot fans a hit doesn’t matter if the results end careers or, or marriages or lives due to the fallout from these horrible head injuries.

      Why are you people so filled with rage? Why can’t you watch a physical sport without lusting for blood? I’m a Penguins fan and I’m quite aware of the long list of transgressions Brad Marchand has committed. What James Neal did to him was completely wrong and five games was not enough, He meant to hurt Marchand and he should have been punished more severely. James Neal has been suspended before and he’s clearly a player who tries to injure other players. The NHL needs to change the way Neal plays or stop him from playing, period.

      But making light of what happened to Orpik, or even justifying it or rationalizing in ANY way only shows what a pathetic and angry person you must be.

      Plain and simple: a man was thrown down onto his back from behind and while he lay defenseless, his head was smashed into the ice by Thornton twice with two brutal punches to the head that Orpik had zero chance to defend. The trainers said Orpik was unconscious for over 30 seconds.

      Manny Pacquiao wasn’t knocked out for as long by that punch from Marquez, a punch many ringside feared might’ve killed Pacquiao, a punch many hoped would make him retire. Think about being knocked out for that long, if you can.

      If stuff like this continues to happen someone will die on the ice. I’m sure some of you sadistic jerks who make light of this stuff won’t care because you probably don’t care about anyone, not even yourselves. Hockey deserves to be such a second rate sport because unfortunately too much of its fan base is comprised of second rate people.

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:58 AM

        These guys signed up for this. They grew up watching the game. Don’t weep for them. They’re dreams have come true. If you don’t want to take that chance then take the pay cut and go play in Europe.

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:10 AM

        “Senseless acts of violence” – This is what you don’t understand. I think most of us second class citizens recognize and appreciate that hockey is so enjoyable because of the tremendous amount of speed involved.

        In those close quarters, the quick movement of an elbow, a knee, or a stick could be the end of someone’s career. That being said; rules, fines, and suspensions aren’t nearly enough to keep some of these offenders in check. They’re own livelihood needs to be jeopardized and in some VERY EXTREME cases, the livelihood of their teammates as well.

        Blatantly targeting one of your teammate’s head warranted this response. It’s the game that’s played and I doubt very many of these players would change that aspect of it.

      • basedrum777 - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM

        Nate, you’re an idiot. This was in “retaliation” for a clean hit that happened to injure a player. This wasn’t due to an illegal slash, or knee, or punch. A body check that the Bruins were ass hurt injured one of their players.

      • mogogo1 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:17 AM

        Guys signed up for this? To be cheap-shotted, concussed and have memory loss? That’s their dream come true? Sounds like Nate took a few too many shots to the head himself.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        Hey Bob,
        I agree with you that what Thornton did was completely wrong and he should be suspended. I have a few issues with what you said though. I don’t think the original post was referring to Neely or Savard. I believe he was referencing Orpik’s hit on Eriksson – regardless of if you feel the hit was clean or not. Orpik has been playing in this league long enough to understand something: IF you target and hit a star player they will come after you. Please don’t try to feed me the “the game shouldn’t be that way” it’s been that way longer that we have been alive and if that were Sid, Geno or Letang that took that hit, I 100% guarantee that Engellend would have been trying to engage the Bruin that delivered the hit. I am not screaming eye for eye. It’s what happens; It is why Wayne Gretzky was never hit. It was why Mario was surrounded by the likes of Buskas, Frawley, Loney and HIllier. I know the game has changed a bit, but if you hit like Orpik hits; you have to be ready to answer for that, especially on hits that are questionable(right or wrong).

        Again, I am not justifying Shawn Thornton. He deserves what he gets; which should be about 10 games. I just feel like most Pens fans are not recognizing that there were two parts to this.

        Yes, Thornton was after Orpik, but it was Neal’s hit that set him off at that moment. In the Bruins eyes they second dirty they committed (Bruins perspective, Neal and Orpik hit).
        He couldn’t go after Neal because he went directly to the bench, so he went after Orpik. Complete Bush league; I agree, but Neal’s actions were just as bad, and Orpik needs to know he needs to step up for the hit. Even if it’s just to wrestle. He wears the “A” and we all know Sid or Kunitz aren’t going to fight. Someone on the Pens needs to hold their players in line. In the Bruins eyes we were 10 minutes in and Eriksson has a concussion and Marchand has been kneed in the head. Again, not justifying – trying to explain mentality and why it happened.

        Now The punches: Lets call spade a spade. Those were not ‘Brutal punches’. He still had the gloves on. Please do not get me wrong. It was an awful awful play and loss of composure by Thornton, BUT… if those punches land and Orpik isn’t knocked out it’s 2-4 minute roughing and NO suspension. I have taken harder punches in my beer league. I really can’t understadn how that knocked him out. It did, so that is all that matters, but to call the Punches Brutal is a bit overstated. Please show me a video of his head hitting the ice. I have not seen one. I don’t know if you play or have worn a helmet in the last 5 years or so, but they are pretty well engineered to sustain impact.

        He had a better chance of getting a concussion hitting Eriksson, and maybe that is what happened. It was big hit and maybe it dazed him and the punch pushed him over, I don’t know.

        I am not trying to agitate. I just don’t know how anyone who has every played or watch the game can call that Brutal. it was lame and cheap, but not brutal. When Geno and Bergeron fought last year They both through punches at each other while on the ground (geno first with Bergeron’s shirt over his head and he was being held by linesman) that had intent and force behind them. I know the argument was they were engaged in a fight and I agree with you, but it doesn’t change the fact that both are bad plays. No, I am not saying one justifies the other, just that they (bad plays) happen; this one just had a terrible result.

        I am betting if you were to show 100 people the replays of the Neal knee and the Thornton punches without the resulting injuries – then you polled them on who was hurt worse; 90% would say Marchand took the worst of it. well, life happened and it was Orpik. I hope you see the point I am trying to make is that both sides have a responsibility in this, and it VERY easily could have been Marchand carted off, and Orpik with a fat lip.

        The Pens play a very on the edge style of play; The Orpik hit, the Neal Knee, the Dupuis slash, the fact you can’t hit Letang without him slashing or cross checking you.

        Dupuis knew what he was doing. No, I don’t think he was trying to break a bone, but he was trying to inflict some pain. Yeah, Thornton punched him and Orpik will miss two weeks (give or take), but Kelly will miss up to 6 weeks because Dupuis used his stick as a weapon. No, not to the head, but it seems like Kelly will miss more time. Why is hitting a guy hard enough to break his leg through pads or skate (which are designed to withstand slapshots) any better than sucker punching someone. They are gutless. I don’t see any Pens fans trying to ban Dupuis or calling for his head. IF you hit someone hard enough to break a bone in their leg, you are not going for the puck; you know exactly what you are doing.

        Again, I cannot express enough how disappointed I am that what happened happened. It makes me sad as a hockey fan and sad as a Bruins fan because as much as the Sabres, Habs, Pens and Canucks hate the Bruins 26 or so other teams and their fan bases respect the Bruins for being a tough. physical and clean team. This hurts that image.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

        For those who don’t think the Pens would react by trying to fight on a big “Clean” hit.

    • charlieconway96 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:57 AM

      Dear Nate, I’m going to say this in the softest, nicest and most loving way possible. You are dumb.

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:17 AM

        Chaz. Make a point.

      • cweez2 - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:44 AM

        nate, I think you’re making Charlie’s point on your own.

    • charlieconway96 - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:32 AM

      “These guys signed up for this.”

      Pretty sure none of these guys signed up for intentional knees to the head or being pulled down and knocked out unsuspectingly.
      Hockey players obviously know the risks associated with playing a violent contact sport. But to say they signed up for some of the stuff in that game is flat out stupid. Its like saying you should have known you’d get knocked out by the absurdly drunk guy in the bar because you were at the bar.

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:38 AM

        They certainly waived their right to legally pursue any harm done.

        The difference is you’re not payed handsomely to go and drink at the bar.

      • charlieconway96 - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:52 AM

        This is actually kind of fun, taking a peek under the bridge to see where all the trolls sleep.
        And while I am a professional drinker (I wish I was paid handsomely to go to the bar), I’d say that none of the pros would tell you that they get paid handsomely to get mugged and take cheap head shots.
        And when did I mention anyone taking legal action? That pretty much never happens in any sport no matter how big a cheap shot.

      • cvtopher12 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

        Charlie, it’s funny because hockey is the one sport I can think of where criminal charges HAVE resulted from on-ice plays… Scott Bertuzzi was charged and plead guilty to assault for sucker punching Steve Moore and driving his head into the ice, not entirely different from what Thornton did to Orpik here.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM

        “They certainly waived their right to legally pursue any harm done.”

        lol this guy clearly has no idea what he’s talking about.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM

        oh it’s Todd Bertuzzi, btw.

      • esracerx46 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:18 AM

        Who’s Scott Bertuzzi? But congrats you’ve sited the 1 case that has been taken to court. On a incident very similar to this. Perhaps not as blatant, or quite as violent. But a defenseless player being pulled from behind and punched by a guy with his glove on nevertheless. I think that whole, “but he left his glove on” argument is absurd. Orpik should not have had to stand up for his hit on Erikson. Furthermore, I think Thornton should have got a roughing penalty for continuing to engage in a player who obviously didn’t want to fight.

      • cvtopher12 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM


      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:47 AM

        his point is that you aren’t immune to law when you’re playing hockey… whether this particular one was a crime or not. nobody expects to be assaulted when they step on the ice. “These guys signed up for this” is the most ignorant thing you could possibly say here.

      • drone501 - Dec 10, 2013 at 6:25 PM

        no one signs up to get sucker punched. what thornton did puts him on the bottom of the lowest form of life. orpik has made a living at playing the body and open ice hits. probably didn”t want to fight because the pens were down to their last 5 defensemen. short and sweet” thornton is a coward and hopefully he”ll run into john scotts fist again.

    • hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 7:54 AM

      Nate, Neal’s disgusting act came well after Thornton had already tried (and been penalized for) trying to get Orpik, a guy that plays 25 minutes a night compared to Thornton’s 2, to fight. While no one has defended Neal, not even the team, to blame Thornton’s act of cowardess, violence and ignorance by saying “they started it” is too dumb and immature to put into the English language.

      Thornton has never been suspended before…nor had John Scott. These guys that take shots to the brain and very little else are NOT honorable “men”, they are classless goons, and I’m all for removing them from hockey for the same reason we saw here. The penalty should be stiff, stiff enough to the team to make them think more about their roster.

      And these guys did NOT grown up watching each other get slewfooted, thrown to the ice and sucker punched until unconscious. If you are so into this, if it seems like such a lofty goal for you – then I’ll pray for the same thing to happen to you this winter. Merry Christmas.

      • listentomartyreasoner - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:11 AM

        If Orpik would have dropped the gloves and faced the consequences for his hit on Eriksson, he doesn’t get ambushed like that. If you take a run at a skilled player, you have to be prepared to drop the gloves in a legal fight. If not, one of your teammates needs to step in for you, but someone needs to acknowledge that there was a hit that should not have happened, and it needs to be taken care of. This is exactly what happens when fighting is taken out of the game. Cheap shots just get worse and worse, making the injuries that much more devastating.

      • esracerx46 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:26 AM

        No you don’t you meat head. Laying a big, clean, legal hit (maybe interference, but not a high head hit) is not grounds that a player MUST fight. If you have to fight following a big hit you know what happens? No more big clean hits. I think fighting has its place in hockey, although with an incident like this and idiots with your way of thinking…. perhaps it’s time for me to re-think my stance.

        Let me ask you this. If fighting were banned, does Thornton still go bananas on Orpik? I think the answer is yes. Skill level means nothing to me as far as who took a run at who. A person’s life is a persons life regardless of goals scored and talent level. Oh, and Orpik is a USA Olympian and is pretty skilled himself. Although known for big hits, he’s no goon “going after skilled players”.

      • listentomartyreasoner - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        Orpik’s hit was a blind side hit with the puck not even close which Eriksson now has a concussion himself from, therefore not at all a clean hit. If fighting were banned Thornton absolutely still goes after Orpik and these incidents would be more prevalent across the league is my main point. A Penguin teammate could have easily stepped in on any of the occasions Thornton challenged Orpik to fight. That’s the point of the role players. Support and protect your skilled players.

      • esracerx46 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

        So because Eriksson’s head was turned…that makes Orpik’s hit blind side? The hit itself was shoulder on shoulder. Not blindside. The puck took a funny bounce and jumped away from Eriksson’s stick. Had the puck not taken that bounce, Eriksson has the puck on his stick, and he still gets blown up. Results are the same. If you want to argue interference, fine. But the point is moot. Orpik is hitting Eriksson clean, with that lone exception either way.

      • csorrell - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM

        @ esracerx46,

        If you have to clarify that it was a clean hit albeit on a player who did not have possession and was not close to possession of the puck therefore it falls into interference then it is no longer a clean hit.

        If a player charges a player without the puck it is not clean it is dirty. If that hit results in an injury you damn sure should expect the other team to look for some measure of revenge. No penalty on the play and a bruin leaving the game. Orpik dodge Thorton once and then Neal decides to slam his knee into Marchand and run to the bench. Thorton’s intent was to say stop trying to hurt people. He messed up and will pay for it. Orpik messed up as well by thinking it acceptable to run a guy without the puck.

    • drone501 - Dec 10, 2013 at 6:17 PM

      like i said before thornton deserves to be savarded next time these teams play.

  2. bronco1991 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    Have you ever gotten jumped and faced a fury of punches to the head? Fan of one team or not, donkey move by Neal and Thorton.

  3. Stiller43 - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    Breaking news. Youre a douche.

    • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:15 AM

      Pretty sure we all are bud.

      • 19to77 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:37 AM

        Yeah, but most of us don’t go around accusing athletes of faking injuries and their organizations of lying about them. So we’re still mostly better people than you.

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:45 AM

        Certainly don’t think it was the player. Do organizations do this in order to aggrevate suspension hearings. You’re naive if you don’t think so.

      • hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 7:58 AM

        Here’s a news flash, kid. Thornton is not a player that teams “fear” being on the roster. Why would they want him out? He does very little offensively, can’t penalty kill, and takes stupid penalties.

        Why on earth would they want him out? If it was Lucic, who’s also one ‘snap’ away from suspension, then ok – the guy can play like an all-star when he’s not too busy trying to be a goon. But not Thornton.

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM

        Bruins play better with Thornton. His aggression sets the tone for the physical game they want to play. Any chance to hinder B’s success is in Pen’s best interest. I think they’re still feeling a embarrassed after their sweep in the playoffs as well.

  4. 950003cups - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    I don’t believe he had memory loss. Maybe he’s just stupid. Let me reshuffle his memory.

    You threw a good hit. Them turtled up when it was time to see how tough you were. Then another douche from your team kneed a man on the ground in his head. Then a few secs later…. YOU GOT KNOCKED THE F OUT!

    Here’s a lesson for Orprik. Next time you wanna feel like a badass, drop the gloves.

    • slickvb82 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:09 AM

      All of us are now dumber for having read your comment, thanks.

      • 950003cups - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:13 AM

        I didn’t believe that was possible you could get any dumber.

      • 19to77 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:35 AM

        Don’t worry, 95003. I imagine most of us figured you could still dig a little deeper if you tried.

      • 950003cups - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:37 AM


    • bobhpine - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:52 AM

      What a horrible person you are.

    • pitpenguinsrulez - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:16 AM

      I bet you felt like a badass typing that while wearing your Scott Stevens jersey.

      • 950003cups - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:29 AM

        You’re damn right! I’m just sick of hearing all the drama from the Pens every time someone on their team gets a boo-boo. Guys get hurt everyday in the game. No organization cries to the media like the Pens do. Lemieux is a self entitled hypocrite. Ever notice how it’s always the Pens that get in all the violent match ups? Whether it’s the Flyers, Bruins and that embarrassment in Long Island.

        The whole team needs a good kick in the ass. What Neal did was worse than what Thornton did by a landslide. Orpik had a chance to defend himself. He turtled several times, nobody stuck up for him, (which tells you what kind of team they are) and finally got a good ass whooping. Marchant had no idea what was going on. Neal deserves the next beating. I hope he gets a slapshot right in the onions, and subsequently deflects in to his own goal for the game winner.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        950003 no one gives a damn what your sick of hearing about; you’ve proven yourself to be an idiot. All the drama comes from Boston and their girlish fan base still whining about Cam Kneely and Savard. Get over it already.

        What I’ve noticed is it is most often the Bruins in the middle of the nitwit crap between Chara, Lucic, Thornton or Marchand more recently; all a bunch of wannabe hockey players.

        Orpik had no chance to defend himself and he had no reason to mix it up with Thornton just because he dropped a hellacious check on a kid who can’t skate with his head up. The Bruins can’t handle that, just watch their reaction every time one of them gets hit on a clean check. Biggest bunch of whining pussies in the league.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:18 AM

      this seems uncharacteristic from cups. maybe he gets stupid near midnight.

  5. bakedbees - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    More likely Orpik concussed two players 11seconds into the game, Loui Eriksen and himself. Thorton’s gloved, prone punches looked relatively innocuous and hardly memory erasing.

  6. naterealgood - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    Severe concussion?? Memory Loss? I have an idea… Let’s barrel him down the runway at 300 mph and put his ear drums on a carnival ride.

    • 19to77 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:40 AM

      Man, the next time someone concusses one of your core guys on a blatant cheapshot, I’m gonna be laughing when you pop up on PHT to squeal and cry about how unfair it was and how long the suspension should be. Nothing like a bleating hypocrite. I look forward to it. What’s your team?

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:52 AM

        I’m one of those “douche’s” that believes in the self policing of the league.

        You’re right. They’re out there for sure. If you walk away from your career in the NHL concussion free then you left too much out there. It has and will happen to almost everyone. Unfortunately, Neal chose Orpik’s time for him. It’s the NHL, this stuff isn’t going anywhere.

        The I’m not whining. I’m purely entertained.

      • 19to77 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:08 AM

        So, like I said earlier. You’re a terrible person. It’s not only a career obligation to suffer concussions to you, it’s outright entertaining. Hell with hoping your team has to deal with it. I hope you do, personally.

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:14 AM

        I’m an outstanding tax paying citizen that bought his ticket to the game just like everyone else. It’s not gym class. It’s “The show”.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM

        Nate, clearly, you’re just one of those douches, period.

    • hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:03 AM

      Ok so Orpik made a CLEAN hit. Thornton got all uppidty so Neal ‘policed’ that (according to your logic) by kneeing Marchand. Who doesn’t want to knee Marchand in the head, really. So Thornton ‘policed’ that by dumping Orpik. So then Dupuis “policed” that by slashing Kelly (which I fully believe was accidental, but stupid, too).

      In your little violent fantasy world which is no doubt fueled by too many violent video games and not enough real life fights, where does that end?

      I’ve already heard that ‘next time’ someone like Lucic should run at Crosby, that Orpik should be targetted again, blah blah blah. But that’s just going to get Rask run, or something like that. It’s all just very unwise.

  7. esracerx46 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    Well this ruins my night. Not a Pens fan at all but I don’t like hearing this, although I think not remembering events that happened minutes before being knocked out is sadly not uncommon. Get well soon Brooks. Team USA need you in Sochi.

    • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM

      Don’t worry. He’s a tough kid. Noones blaming him it’s just the status report.

      Doc: “kid you bummin?”

      Brooks: “yeah I’m bummin. I got knocked.”

      Doc: “yeah you did – Let’s get you home”

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:29 AM

        naterealgood has to be a satirical character. there’s nobody this f***ing stupid.

      • esracerx46 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:48 AM

        Nate, wanna tell us where you live? I need to tell this angry mob with pitchforks where to go. There’s a line waiting. We’ll pay you “handsomely” and promptly line up to put a whooping on you. Oh, and paying taxes does not make you “an outstanding citizen”. I’m sure there’s murderers out there that paid taxes too. In fact every one of them has by simply buying anything (sales tax).

        Almost everyone here, excluding you and maybe 1 or 2 others, watch hockey for the sport itself. We watch for the speed, the goals, the hits, and to watch our team win. A select few watch because of the fights, but I’d argue that deep down that’s not their primary reason. You on the other hand have been under a bridge far too long, and have begun eating discarded bath salts as a means to get by. Deriving satisfaction and enjoyment out of someone’s pain, and long term health is sadistic. These guys know the risks, no one is denying that. But what Thornton did is something that should never happen. Jumping a guy from behind, taking him to the ground, and bashing his head twice is NOT hockey. That is a street brawl! At this point I think a line has been formed to curb stomp first you, then Thornton. I wouldn’t be part of that line since I am a “outstanding citizen”

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 7:53 PM

        It became a street brawl after Neal brought it there. That’s my point. You guys are idiots if you think this was a retaliation to Orpik’s hit. No one should be whining about Orpik’s hit. I certainly am not. A blatant knee to the head should not only get 5 games. 5 games isn’t gonna stop it from happening. The akward conversation between Orpik and Neal on the flight home is what’s gonna make Neal think twice.

  8. qauzaq - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    I’m going to be a little upset if Thornton gets some monster suspension while Neal only got 5 games. Both Neal and Thornton should be sitting out for a long time.
    In my opinion the NHL needs to start handing out 10-20 game suspensions for this type of stuff. 5 games doesn’t seem like much in an 82 game schedule. Btw I’m a Kings fan so I don’t really favor one team over another in this case.

    • sabatimus - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:43 AM

      I think the NHL could begin by doubling every suspension. Remove Shanahan’s undue emphasis on player injury–punish the illegal HIT, NOT the results. Emphasize and put much harder punishment on repeat offenders (like James Neal, who got at most half of what he deserved).

      And if all this doesn’t work, start forcing teams to dress one less man…i.e. the guy who gets suspended doesn’t get his spot filled in the lineup by someone else, and the team must compensate by having its other players take up his work load. This will piss off the players, the coaches, and the ownership…which should serve as a strong deterrent to dirty players. The NHLPA might not like this one (and thus would probably never allow this arrangement), but if you really want to get rid of blatant headshots and attempts to injure, this could be the way to go.

      • gallyhatch - Dec 10, 2013 at 6:44 AM

        I agree 100 % with this statement.

        Especially the part about emphasis on the resulting injury. This only encourages diving / embellishment in my opinion.

        Thorntons actions were despicable, as were Neal’s; how Neal didn’t get more games considering his history is beyond me. (but Neal would have if Marchand was taken off in a stretcher. . . .it makes no sense to me)

      • joey4id - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM

        The NHLPA agreed to allow the NHL to use all medical data available to assess the results of an illegal act, and factor that in when it comes to deciding how many games a player will be suspended for. It’s in the CBA so strop dishing on Shanahan for doing his job.

  9. bobhpine - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    About 90 percent of the comments on this page validate everything I said.

    But you people really shouldn’t feel like your opinions are so wrong. The league you follow largely agrees with you, so Congrats.

    How sad.

    • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:19 AM

      May I ask your game of choice? I appreciate your courageous lumping of fans of the NHL as second class citizens by the way.

    • sabatimus - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:44 AM

      That’s because 90% of the comments on here are either from a troll or responding to a troll.

  10. mennoknights - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    I’m a Canucks fan, so will admit my dislike for Thornton and the B’s, but that also means I was around Vancouver when Bertuzzi, well, Bertuzzi’d Moore.

    And having been surrounded by mouth-breathers defending Bert I can say that nothing is so sad as an attempt to put it on the victim for ‘faking’. A lot of what Thornton’s defenders are saying this week sound crazy familiar:

    “The Avalanche suuuure were quick to announce Steve Moore has a broken neck. Sounds more like whiplash to me. He’ll be back in a few months.”

    “Moore’s faking.”

    “It wasn’t the punch that hurt him – his glove was still on! – it was when he fell on the ice, and the Avalanche players piled on. Bertuzzi was trying to PROTECT him!”

    “But Bertuzzi apologized! And he was crying!”

    “Moore should never have gone after Naslund, this never would have happened.”

    “The real story is Steve Moore concussing Naslund, how come nobody’s talking about that? Should have been a 6 game suspension.”

    “Moore should have turned around and fought Bertuzzi like a man, this never would have happened.”

    “Bertuzzi’s a stand-up guy. He screwed up but he’s a good guy.”

    Deja vu.

    • zico25 - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:18 AM

      Best post I’ve seen on any article about this entire situation. Thank you.

    • gerrharr66 - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

      Menno, here’s one Boston fan with a hearty thank you for some great perspective!

  11. blomfeld - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    Take care friend, mend your hurts and God speed … tomorrow will be better …

    Blomfeld, on behalf of LA Kings Nation

    • goalieguy37 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM

      Blomfeld, I’d rather have your douche baggery on this site than naterealgood’s idiocy. Elvis, though unrelated and out of context, beats the crap out of this bile spewing uninformed idiot.

      • gerrharr66 - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:32 PM

        That’s one of them ‘left handed compliments’, as my old man would say…

    • dueman - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:02 PM

      I’ve refrained from commenting on this issue so far because 98% of the comments that I’ve read have been completely moronic. A situation like this really shows you what the people behind the comments are like in real life (off the computer that is). It saddens me to see people giving your simple “well wish” to an injured player the thumbs down it has received. You’re comments might have a little “personality” sometimes, but you have a good heart Blom….thumbs up from me. Have a good day…

      • micasa81 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:17 PM


  12. sjsharks66 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    The trolls are out tonight. Not even good trolling, just leaves a poor taste in your mouth. Orpik shouldn’t have to fight for a clean hit. For some reason, it seems justified to a few that if you are challenged and deny you deserve to be jumped from behind.

    I wonder how the tables would be turned if this happened to anyone else’s team. Stop being dbags and be humble. At the end of the day a player was injured and has memory loss.

    I also want to point out that all you pro fighters/pro Thornton folks might not like when the NHL uses this as an example to take out fighting. These actions that happened ruins it for everyone.

    • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:33 AM

      Take out fighting? What commissioner is going to take out fighting. Then tell me how much these media moguls are gonna pay for the rights to televise the games. Cap dwindles down to nothing and now we’re all flying to Helsinki once every five years to see all the real talent.

      Not going to happen.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:37 AM

        this league has enough revenue momentum that taking out fighting wouldn’t have much of an impact. check out the Olympic ratings this year…. they don’t fight.

        I can’t say I WANT fighting out of the game, but I don’t think the league’s bottom line would miss it if they did… kinda like how we all already forgot about regular icing….

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:38 AM

        after they play the olympics, i mean.

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM

        Taking out fighting will not significantly affect NHL’s owners bottom line… you sure about that? Sit in the corner.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:31 PM

        Well, I only speak for myself, but I have a feeling I’m not alone in saying that I’d still be a hockey fan if there were no fights. I’ve never turned a game on with the sole purpose of watching some fights. You may, but sh**ty people like you are a very small percentage of hockey fans. Of course it would impact it some, but significantly, I doubt it.

        And from the things you’ve said on this post, you have absolutely no room to tell anybody to sit in the corner. You need to be sitting in the corner of a padded room, sir.

    • csorrell - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM

      The same can be said for a player getting hit without the puck and leaving with a concussion. If that happens to Crosby, Stamkos, Toews, or any other player in the league the team and their fan base are PISSED. Orpik was looking to light up Erickson and did so even though he never received the puck. The refs let it go, Orpik is no fool and neither are the Pens. They were hoping to get a penalty out of a no response and did so. That doesn’t solve the issue it throws gasoline on the fire. Orpik injured a man with an illegal hit (yes interference is illegal thus the hit was not clean, not to mention a player that is not ready for a hit because he does not have the puck is not braced for that contact making it worse).

      At the end of the day a player (Erickson) was injured by a hit that should not have been thrown. When Erickson did not get the puck the onus was on Orpik to avoid or minimize that contact. He did not he drove into Erickson and resulted in head contact and a concussion. The criteria for a clean hard hit was never met by Orpik.

      In this incident I blame, Oprik for his hit and for turtling when had this situation been reversed he would expect his enforcer to step in; had that been Crosby stumbling off the ice. I blame the Refs for not managing the initial incident well. Put Orpik in the box for interference and it goes a little way towards preventing this. Lastly I blame Thorton, yes he should protect his team, but if a player is not willing to drop them you can’t force him. Now Thorton should have thrown some hard hits into Letang, Crosby, Neal, Dupuis. Lay the same hit Orpik and pens fans call clean onto their top guys that would be okay. Grabbing Orpik and punching him (even if i don’t think the punches were “brutal” or “slamming” his head around) was not acceptable and he will get the punishment fitting.

      Based on Neal’s suspension and his clear attempt to severely hurt Marchand I’d say 5-6 games is pretty right.

  13. billsboy88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    The comment section really makes me hate this site. Some of the things that ate said…dunno why I even skim through it

    • sabatimus - Dec 10, 2013 at 5:48 AM

      That’s because one poster is trolling, and everyone else is feeding him. I wish people would learn.

  14. muckleflugga - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:00 AM

    of course orpik has a concussion, of course penguins placed him on the injury reserve…what else could they do

    is orpik concussed…?

    no more than any player who makes his living collecting opponents with force. you could examine any player playing hard-assed hitting hockey and find evidence of concussion symptoms…it’s all a matter of degree held against willingness of a brain injured player to continue playing

    when was orpik concussed…?

    when is any player involved in serious contact hockey concussed? most players involved in concussion lawsuits can probably tell you when they first had their bells rung, yet science suggests the damage to the brain is cumulative; claimants in the washington class action lawsuit did not present concussion symptoms after the fact. brain damages were rather, accumulated over time during their active nhl careers and in a period when as players, they had no means of relief from events causing head injuries…like everyone else, they had to earn a bit of crust

    the facts

    in the minutes prior to shawn thornton’s assault, brooks orpik engaged violent contact with loui eriksson on a scale sufficient to aggravate eriksson’s pre-existing concussion symptoms

    orpik’s collision with eriksson occurred at speed with attendant forces at play: orpik effectively stopped in its tracks, a body weighing in the order of two hundred and twenty pounds in wet equipment, traveling at twenty five miles an hour or more and in so doing, aggravated his own incipient concussion symptoms

    eriksson left the ice in a damaged state, then left the game…

    orpik stayed in the game and was subsequently felled by blows that would not have knocked-out a healthy and alert player


    how can anyone argue orpik was immune from damage in a hit he engaged that damaged eriksson, but was not immune when punched by a gloved fist with no leverage or room to generate damaging forces

    like eriksson, orpik’s pre-existing concussion baggage was excited in the attack from thornton


    thornton will be punished for embarrassing hockey in spite of hockey’s willingness to permit fights to continue after combatants are down [ emery…no harm…no foul ]

    orpik’s concussion will provide rationale for penalty to thornton following the nhl’s proclivity toward assessing foul against damage, this while presenting no means of resolution to control or prohibit intent


    thornton will be an oblique victim of the concussion lawsuits as the nhl, following habit and need to address lagging indicators, will produce what amounts to a public beheading

    but why now, why not always…?

    lost in need to define a position refuting violence in the game, with prospect of a highly public lawsuit on the horizon, is the extent to which orpik was already damaged, damage impossible to measure in a milieu where truth is the rarest of commodities

    thornton will in part, carry the can for damage to orpik incurred through his entire career in serious contact hockey

    in the meantime, the entire drama is in microcosm, living and active proof nhl teams are permitted by the league to employ and license players to destroy opponents with lethal and mindless disregard for their opponents health or their own; orpik with his stunningly brutal attack on the infinitely more talented eriksson; and thornton as a paid and bonded-in-blood headhunter meting out retribution upon orpik…

    have goon, will travel, reads the card of a man…

    • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 2:25 AM

      In your opinion which action warrants a greater suspension? Taking existing track records out…

    • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:16 AM

      Oh look it’s Dr. Recchi posting as a complete moron.

      Someday soon someone will be asking – do you remember when Shawn Thornton used to play in the NHL. He’s a cowardly neanderthal for that move.

      • micasa81 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:22 PM

        There are people posting on here because they actually care about how this incident has ramifications for the game we love…and then there’s you, who I don’t believe gives one f**k about the players who are getting hurt, and are actually enjoying the opportunity to get some shots in on the team you hate. SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE.

        ~ Canucks fan

      • itsallniceonice - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:40 PM

        People will say yes they do. He’s won two Stanley Cups, two more than the Habs have in quite some time…

      • naterealgood - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:14 PM

        There’s a fine and some vacation in it for Thornton. Don’t worry about the league’s ramifications on the game. You’re not gonna see it happen. I’m a realist. You lobbyists wanna cry about it then that’s your prerogative. Get with it or get golfing.

  15. sailbum7 - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:34 AM

    Any player who takes a cheap shot that results in serious injury should face criminal assault charges. Tough checks are part of the game and sometimes elbows get thrown, but a deliberate sucker punch to the head is in no way part of the game. It is nothing more than a criminal assault and needs to be treated as such. Maybe if some of these thugs who call themselves hockey players start ending up doing time when they intentionally try and hurt a player this idiocy will stop. I can remember the days when the Flyers had two players on the team who could barely play. They were called the “bruise brothers” and the only reason they were on the team was to try and take out players on the opposing teams. They certainly were not on the team because of their hockey playing skills. This type of unnecessary violence should not be part of the game and something needs to b done to put a stop to. It is causing far too many players to suffer lasting injuries and health problems due to getting hit with a cheap shot whose only purpose was to try and take them out of the game or to get even for some perceived bad hit on their part. Let the refs and the league take care of calling and penalizing the cheap shots and illegal hits, put an end to the on ice retaliation that is causing too many serious and lasing injuries.

  16. exsteelersfan - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:52 AM

    This is the last bastion of manhood left in professional sports. Actions like this will eventually force the NHL to implement laws that will “make the game safer”, similar to the NFL, and no one wants that. Anyone saying that this is ok has never played a contact sport. You don’t knock a guy down and wail on him. There is an unwritten code between these enforces, which Olrpik has never been. Thornton knew he was wrong and said so after the game. Neal hasn’t come out and said anything about his cowardly hit… So at least I can respect Thornton slightly for manning up and admitting he was wrong, but he deserves to be suspended for the rest of the year. And anyone saying the Penguins are embellishing this injury is just butt hurt about all the injuries to your beloved NE teams.

  17. muckleflugga - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:55 AM


    i would think the action requiring the most attention is behaviour of the league itself, this while remembering the league is made up of its constituent parts, teams and team owners

    the nhl has to decide if its product is either entertainment engendered through speed and skill hockey, or entertainment answering a cathartic need to exorcise our fundamentally violent natures

    it is evident these elements cannot coexist in the league’s current state of dysfunction: skill is subject to penalty through violence, and violence is turning youth away from the game; unable to continually bring youth in to see an affordable and entertaining product will cause the game to wither over time

    the league presents history refuting any hope violence in the game will be curbed then eliminated. agents compelling meaningful change will need to come from external forces likely defined by the courts, then governments answering call for change from the population at large

    to answer your question, i don’t see any element in the current game consistently causing bodily harm including concussions, as being worthy of penalty greater than one over another. if a player causes harm or injury, his penalty should correspond directly with time losses suffered by his victim, period

    it is noted soccer has made advancements in it laws of the game, its policing, and its penalties in a manner that would greatly improve hockey:

    intent to foul is every bit as egregious as is a productive foul; whether a foul is the product of accident or intent is immaterial, if the action produces a foul, it is penalized in equal measure; fouls are given for behaviour that simply detract from notions of fair play; contact to head by means accidental or intentional warrants immediate ejection

    fouls are cumulative producing ejections, and subsequent suspensions according to merit

    there are on-field officials and off-field officials supervising the game, connected by radio, and able to intervene in the run of play to call attention to fouls, or missed calls

    all fouls are subject to post-game review to determine need for supplementary discipline

    soccer teams and ravening fan bases wrought with hooliganism and racism precipitated change to the game when governments themselves were taken to task for permissive compliance by constituents and their voter base

    the nhl is facing its first real public accounting in the lawsuits to come; next up, overt government sanction driven by constituents and their voter base

  18. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    Funny how everyone is ripping on Neal and Thorton, when NO ONE cares about Orpik or Eriksson! This is unbelievable. I just hope that both Orpik and Eriksson both can recover from their concussions. SMDH. The point is Neal got suspended and Thorton will get suspended. The only reason why Neal didn’t get a longer suspension is because Marchand was not stretchered off the ice. The reason why Thorton is going to get a longer suspension is because Orpik was injured.

    • dropthepuckeh - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:04 AM

      If they base the punishment on the severity of the injury you are encouraging embellishment and ensuring that these guys will keep doing it until there are severe injuries like Savard. If there is no deterrent for kneeing a guy in the head until he is seriously hurt why would Neal stop doing what he always does?

  19. dropthepuckeh - Dec 10, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    If he has a severe concussion and memory loss, why did he fly with the team immediately after the game? I assume memory and his whereabouts are the first things they ask him when taking him to the hospital. I’m not saying he doesn’t but it doesn’t all add up entirely. I don’t excuse Thornton for what he did and recognize he has a big suspension coming but good to remember that, as an enforcer in the NHL for over ten years, he has never had a suspension or any disciplinary action. Pretty remarkable when you look around the league at the other guys who fill this role.

    Now take a look at the track record of James Neal. He is playing in his 5th NHL season and has four suspensions, a fine and multiple warnings. This is from a skilled 1st line forward. The problem with the league is guys like this, not like Thornton. Thornton snapped and will pay significantly, especially given his relatively low salary. Do away with the enforcers and guys like Neal will be using their sticks and knees without any fear of retribution.

  20. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    I’m sick of everyone saying Orpik is faking! All of you wanted a diagnosis you got it and now you don’t except it? So all of are saying that the Penguins lied about Orpik having a concussion and losing his memory. What would the Penguins have to gain in that. I just don’t understand. I don’t know why doctors let him fly. Maybe the doctors in Boston are stupid I don’t know. But to say that Orpik is faking is ASSANINE!

    • dropthepuckeh - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:59 AM

      We do “accept it”, just wondering why there is a discrepancy in treatment. Boston’s doctors are just fine thank you.

  21. 8man - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    It seems to me that all parties involved are feeling some legitimate pain in a variety of ways. The actions of some members of both teams in this contest were reprehensible. The officials cannot see all.

    Hopefully, as this story unfolds, the suffering visited upon all transgressors and some innocents will provide impetus for the rest of the league to behave better.

    Pens and Bs fan both, stop the finger pointing. Neither side is blameless.

  22. gallyhatch - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Get well soon Orpik, considering what I know about Savard’s quality of life these days, I don’t wish that on anyone.

  23. footballfan - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    Ok, Let me get this straight…. The Penguins lie about Orpik’s injury to get a guy suspended that plays for a team in another division that they won’t see again this season unless they meet in the playoffs. Sounds logical. “Let’s keep Orpik off the ice for several weeks and get the Bruin’s goon suspended for 10 games! That will show them!!”

    I’m sorry, I don’t see the logic.

    Oh yea, Ive had a couple concussions in my days and never once has the treating physician told me not to fly.

    • dropthepuckeh - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM

      That is obvious dude….

  24. patthehockeyfan - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    In talking with a co-worker this morning (a Pens’ fan), he suggested something that makes sense.

    Suspensions should carry a minimum, like Neal’s.

    However, if a player is knocked out of the game (concussion, lower body injury, etc.), and the guy who hit him is suspended, the suspension should last at least as long as the hit player is out.

    As I wrote, the knee to Marchand’s head by Neal should carry the minimum 5 games; the fact that Marchand got up and back into the game notwithstanding. Had Marchand been out for 10 games, that’s how long Neal’s suspension should last.

    As to Thornton, I think he’ll get a minimum of 10 games. If Orpik is out 15 games, Thornton’s suspension should be 15 games.

    Not sure this would solve anything. It’s an interesting concept, though.

  25. montrealbbr - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    Even more of a reason that this needs to be nipped in the bud and Thornton should be suspended for the rest of the season! Get rid of the goons!

  26. ballparkprints - Dec 10, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    Kick him out of the game and turn this matter over to the police.

    • dropthepuckeh - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:01 AM

      Agreed no place in the game for multiple offenders like Neal who demonstrate a consistent track record over five years of trying to injure opposing players with garbage cheap shots. Lifetime banishment.

    • montrealbbr - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:07 AM

      I agree! This isnt a hockey fight this is an assault and he should be charged.

  27. dtownbeatdown - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    The guy got taken off on a stretcher… but then flew home with the team 3 hours later.

    I am not saying he didn’t have a concussion and that Thornton does not deserve a hefty suspension… But to say Orpik milked it is an understatement.

    Pittsburgh gets treated like royalty these days and it is pretty sickening. Neal gets 5 games?! For a knee to the head? What a joke should of been 10 at the minimum. Thornton and Neal both had intent to cause harm on another player… both should be out of the league for sometime to send a message.

    I just don’t buy it that it was as severe as it had looked and I believe Orpik will be back on the ice in the next 10 days or less.

    • basedrum777 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      He was knocked out cold for more than 30 seconds according to the doctors you asshat.

  28. steelers88 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Whatever man. He was stretchered off the ice! I don’t know why they let him fly back Saturday I wasn’t there. I just don’t think the Penguins have that great of team physicians. These were the same physicians that let Crosby play the next game after the Steckel hit. I think Thorton should be suspended for however long Orpik is out. If Orpik comes back in 2 games than Thorton would be suspended 2 games if his out for a month than Thorton is suspended for a month.

  29. thiswonderfulgarment - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Am I the only one who thinks Thornton isn’t the ONLY “vicious” player here? If you watch the damn video, Thornton is in the wrong, but when he grabs Orpick and brings him down, he makes sure his head doesn’t hit the ice, and then, yes, punches him twice, however, this is not a BRUTAL beat down like back in the day. No blood, nothing. He lightly punched him, kinda of like those jersey holding punches. He unfortunately seemed to bop him in the head in the exact wrong spot and knocked him out. This was by NO MEANS intentional by Thornton. He meant to punch him, he didn’t mean to knock him out. Thornton has never been suspended, ever, and he is no John Scott. If Orpik was not knocked out, none of this would even be happening. Thornton would have gotten a penalty, and all would be fine, but unfortunately this is not what happened.
    We should be discussing the shoulder to shoulder/chin hit on Loui who is now out for the next month recovering from his second concussion.
    We should be discussing the BLATANT and INTENTIONAL knee on head hit on a player who was also defenseless on the ice. Why doesn’t anybody care?! Marchand did NOTHING in that game to deserve that, and as far as I am concerned, nobody should be hit like that regardless of their reputation, and anybody who is defending Neal is a blatant idiot.
    What about Kelly with a broken ankle from a slash? Nobody cares about that either.
    Was Thornton in the wrong? yes.
    Was Orpik in the wrong? I’m not sure. The hit seems clean at first, but when you look closely it does look like a shoulder to chin hit, and Loui DID get another concussion.
    Was Neal in the wrong? YES.
    As far as I am concerned, the Penguins are a dirty team. The Bruins have their moments don’t get me wrong…but they lost 2, could have been 3 players that game. Unnecessary to say the least. This entire game was unnecessary and I wish none of it had occurred. We all need to get our heads out of our asses and move on. BOTH teams are in the wrong. Get the hell over it.

  30. joey4id - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    Regardless of what you believe Orpik is suffering from no one should be subject to such a barbaric attack. It was ugly the moment it happened regardless of the results. The NHL will use the results as stipulated in the CBA to dish out a suspension, and they can also request for an independent doctor (non team affiliated) to assess the condition of Orpik. I can only hope that he and Ericksson can recover, and that I’m happey to know Marchand wasn’t seriously hurt. Marchand is a very good hockey player that I appreciate watching, but a rat nonetheless that I don’t appreciate watching. As for Thornton, well we should that in the hands of the system, and hope they Pens won’t resort to retribution.

    About the trolling I can only say that it’s been a waste of computer hardware resources all around. And to think this data is saved somewhere on a storage device.

  31. penvik - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Orpik’s hit in Eriksson was perfectly legal and the reaction from the Bruins fans/players shows everything that’s wrong with the game. Unfortunately,
    Just like the Flyers of old, the bruins feel empowered to go above and beyond the rules to get back (eye for an eye) type of action. The NHL obviously needs to make an example out of this, by a lot of the posts I’ve just read it only confirms this. I learned this as a kid, if you get hit clean you are told to keep your head up and don’t react. There’s no unwritten rule that says Orpik had to fight because he laid a great open ice check. So all if you out there that are giving Thornton or any Bruins the right to go after Orpik, please grow up. Bring back the enforcer too, get rid of the instigator.

    Thornton needs to get minimum 25 games if Neal got 5. Very shocked that Neal got 5, he barely tapped Marchand who obviously started acting hurt, that’s what Marchand is all about. Marchand deserves from a lot if teams what the bruins mistakingly thought Orpik deserved

    • patthehockeyfan - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:55 AM

      Typical … wait, make that atypical Pens’ fan. Neal has a proven record of being a dirty player. He purposely kneed Marchand in the head. Would you have been more satisfied and thought Neal deserved 5 games had Marchand been taken off on a stretcher?

      Orpik’s hit on Eriksson deserved at least a penalty for roughing. Eriksson wasn’t near the puck.

      I am not condoning Thornton’s actions, nor do I think Orpik deserved the beating he got. It just seems as if, according to you, the Pens do no wrong. Like it was Marchand’s fault for having his head in front of Neal’s knee.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:18 PM

        Typical Bruins apologist idiot.
        Roughing? And Eriksson wasn’t near the puck, yet the puck had just touched his stick.
        Orpik’s hit on Eriksson was textbook; shoulder meet breastbone, now sit down.

        You gals are the same bunch of nitwits that defended Chara’s cheap late hit on Pacioretty last season; one of the most deliberate dirty plays in the past several years.

    • montrealbbr - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:57 AM

      Marchand was barely touched and he wasnt even hurt so there was no reason that Neal should have got 5 games. Now Orpik has a concussion and memory loss and Thornton needs to pay. He would have kept hitting him if he wasnt held back. That isnt an enforcer its a goon and he needs to be thrown out. I am not a penguins fan but I hope Orpik doesnt have any long term health problems because of this.

  32. happster - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Maybe he knocked himself silly on the late, high, cheap shot to Eriksson? If your jaw is made of glass, to the extent that you cannot handle an off-balance, glancing blow by a gloved fist, then I’d stick with the rules of honor in the first place. He deserved to get slugged. If he stood up like a man and took his medicine, instead of crumbling to the ice like a turtle on his back, then perhaps he’d remember his name. Or not. Who cares. The rules of battle don’t apply when you break them first. Nice job Thorty.

    • basedrum777 - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      Happster you’re an idiot. The hit on Eriksson was legal and clean, just b/c you don’t like the result doesn’t change that. Last I checked players don’t have to drop the gloves over clean hit.

      You’re exactly what wrong with Boston fans.

  33. muckleflugga - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:08 PM


    well stated, i agree with your posts completely

    the causal chain was set in motion by orpik’s goon shot; a proper call by the referees would have taken need way from thornton to respond

    in spite of bleating from penguin supporters, orpik loves to hammer smaller players, particularly if he has them pinned on the boards

    a darker side of my nature is glad orpik was taken to the woodshed by thornton for his bullying play

    like all bullies, orpik turtled

    • jpelle82 - Dec 10, 2013 at 3:53 PM

      you obviously dont watch him play, he hits everyone, indiscriminately of size and he doesnt always get the best of the hit either…didnt have to go too far back for this one….

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