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Neal suspended five games for kneeing Marchand in the head

Dec 9, 2013, 1:16 PM EDT

The NHL has suspended Pittsburgh forward James Neal five games — the maximum allowable after his telephone hearing with the Department of Player Safety — for kneeing Bruins forward Brad Marchand in the head on Saturday night.

Neal, 26, clipped a fallen Marchand with his knee during a wild first period of play. The Pens winger was given a minor penalty on the play and, adding insult to injury, jumped out of the box to score just seven seconds after his penalty expired.

“With a clear view of Marchand and plenty of time to avoid him, Neal skates directly through Marchand’s head with his left knee,” explained NHL discipline czar Brendan Shanahan. “It is our belief after viewing this incident that this is more serious than simply not avoiding contact with a fallen player.

“While looking down directly at Marchand, Neal turns his skates and extends his left leg, ensuring that contact is made with Marchand’s head.”

Here’s the video:

Neal isn’t a repeat offender under the terms of the CBA, but he does have a disciplinary history. He was suspended one game during the opening round of the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs and, in 2009, was suspended for two games (while a member of the Dallas Stars) for boarding then-Columbus forward Derek Dorsett.

Neal will miss tonight’s game vs. Columbus and be out for the following four games (New Jersey, Detroit, Toronto and the New York Rangers.) He’ll be eligible to return on Thursday, Dec. 19, when the Penguins host the Wild at Consol. He’ll also forfeit $128,205.15 in salary to the Players’ Emergency Assistance Fund.

156 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. terrier92 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM


    • sjsblitz - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      There goes my fantasy team -_-

      • hazlydose - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        Fair under the current system, but it should have been around 10 games. The injury sustained by the other play should only be used to increase suspensions. Its clear that because Marchand wasn’t injured, he got a lesser penalty.

    • imleftcoast - Dec 9, 2013 at 7:35 PM

      What is a shame is that this was an awesome hockey game. If the league wanted to serious about getting rid of some crap that is no part of the game, they would had an in-person with Neal, Thorton and the coaches. I think wasting the coaches’ time with this would be worthwhile.

    • geezer51 - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

      These things happen when your are the cheapest team in hockey. If you don’t want your players hurt stop playing dirtier than the other teams. That is no excuse for the hit on Marchand but he and his teammates contributed to his injury. NBC should fire Jeremy Roenick for being stupid and irrational, really! Thanks Keith for being honest.

  2. joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Good call!

  3. upyourstodd - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Good Ruling. Lets hope Neal has the ability to learn. One would hope he does.

    • mildfan - Dec 10, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      Neal did not get enough games! He should have gotten 10-15 games for intentionally attempting to injure a helpless player. Thorton should get 25+ games for intentionally injuring an opponent in a extremely violent non-hockey play. For hockey to grow this crap needs to be eliminated from the game. Where is the code when it is always an eye for an eye and mostly for no apparent reason. Take money away from these goons and they will stop being senseless goons who give the game a black eye and a reason for casual fans not want to watch any more.

      • upyourstodd - Dec 10, 2013 at 12:00 PM

        Its hard to justify those lengths because one of the leagues worst offenders, Raffi Torres, was suspended 25 games and thats the longest he has gotten.

  4. btlpper68 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Brendan shanahan f*****g over fantasy teams everywhere

    • runhigh24 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM

      because your fantasy team is more important right now than people’s brains getting scrambled

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

        Marchand’s brain has been scrambled for years. Neal had nothing to do with that.

      • pepper2011 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:38 PM

        412- you need something better to do. These guys; Marchand and all the other B’s you hate because they swept you last year. They don’t care. Marchand is a Millionaire who plays the game you obviously love for a living.

        You are very quick to attack any other players; calling for Shawn Thornton to be removed from the union but as of now he has two more suspensions than Thornton in half as much time.

        where is your logic?

      • comeonnowguys - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        You both are 100% right.

      • mmmpierogi - Dec 9, 2013 at 5:46 PM

        “412- you need something better to do. These guys; Marchand and all the other B’s you hate because they swept you last year …”

        Last time I checked, pretty much everyone outside of Boston can’t stand Marchand. Nothing really unique about Pens fans there.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:31 PM

      man why can nobody on this site take a joke anymore?

      I’m not always innocent of that but damn, 1 up, 16 down for an obvious joke?

      • coldfire22x - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        don’t worry, i got the joke 😉

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:55 PM

        and knowing PHT commenters, you’ll get thumb downed just for saying that.

    • geezer51 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:08 PM

      Awesome! The game is real not a fantasy,

  5. itsallniceonice - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    League backs away from star players and the Penguins again. Should have had an in person and more games for sure. Unacceptable but if you don’t injure someone don’t expect much of a suspension I suppose.

    • comeonnowguys - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:29 PM

      Actually, this feels like a pretty quick turnaround, especially given that it happened on a weekend.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:34 PM

        he’s talking about the length of the suspension, not how quickly he got it. he should have gotten more, but then again, I’m a Flyers fan, so take that with a grain of salt.

      • comeonnowguys - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        I think they’re setting the stage to only give Thornton 10 games.

    • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:32 PM

      Yeah, how Neal escaped an in-person is beyond me.

    • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:56 PM

      Really? I’m not sure I’d consider Neal a star player, but he most certainly plays for the Pens and he just got shafted on this suspension for bumping into a guy with his leg. Besides, that guy was Marchand and he deserved it.

      This does not bode well for Shawn Thornton. If this gets five games, Thornton is looking at a minimum 25 for being a dirty coward.

      • dropthepuckeh - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        Haha. I can’t wait for you to be disappointed. Again.

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        Another Montreal fan with his unbiased opinion.

      • itsallniceonice - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        Good effort. Good try.

      • montrealbbr - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        It was clearly a mistake by Neal and it’s not his fault that piece of trash player took a dive in front of him.

        They need to make an example out of Thornton and suspend him for the rest of the season for what he did. Otherwise you will have all the dirty players doing this and probably taking out star players.

      • lamarraj - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:05 PM

        Neals the coward in this situation, as is Orpik.

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        Montreal. Homer.

      • theskinsman - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:20 PM

        Neal should’ve been banned for life.Thornton should get a bonus.Orpik is a coward and deserved what he got.
        See how well that sounds when you reverse which team you’re talking about?
        Grow up, Green Mountain BOY.

    • basedrum777 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM

      It “escaped” a bigger suspension b/c there is clear plausible deniability. I think he did it on purpose and deserves his 5 games but he can very easily argue on appeal that he just didn’t have time to move and didn’t think he would clip Marchand’s head. Think about what I’m saying b/f judging the post. Its not saying he is being truthful only that its a reasonable argument that could be viewed as having some merit.

  6. tlndma - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    I thought he’d get two. I think Thornton get’s close to 15 now.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

      I’m betting on 20 games….

      • skr213 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:46 PM

        I hope you’re joking. There’s no way he’ll get more than 10.

      • pens5829 - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:41 PM

        Anything less than 20 will be a travesty. What’s not been talked about is the dangerous Boston-patented, slew-foot he gave home to Orpik down. A low-life move used almost nightly by Marchand.

        Go ahead and try and deny Marchand isn’t known for it…

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM

        Yes! Marchand is known for slew footing, and I noticed a more subtle attempt of slew footing on Niskanen on Saturday. But! What does Marchand’s slew footing have to do with Neal’s 5 games suspension and Thornton’s pending suspension? BTW, after reading parts of the CBA, I’m questioning my expectations. Because the injuries sustained are not as bad as those suffered by Moore. Look for a suspesnion between 7 and 12 games.

    • gallyhatch - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:34 PM

      I’ll be surprised if Thornton gets more than 10.

      I’m not saying he deserves more or less, I just think that’s what he’ll get considering he has no disciplinary record with the league.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        i agree. 10 or less is far more realistic for a guy who has never been suspended before…it was a terrible thing he did but if orpik doesnt get stretched off or had put up any kind of a fight i dont know if he gets suspended at all.

      • basedrum777 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        What Thorton did was not hockey. It was after the play. It was from behind, it was punching someone after they were unconscious. In the real world that’s assault and gets you 5 years in jail at least. First offender or not. This wasn’t someone squaring up and getting pumled. This wasn’t a clean check leading to a concussion or worse. This was thuggery and the coach and team should be held accountable for putting him on the ice knowing he would try to do something nefarious.

      • dirt2013 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:21 PM

        So even if he killed someone he would get no more than ten (10) games if it was his first time.Sound logic and it tells everyone that for your first time make it a good one because no matter what you do it’s <10 games.

  7. c9castine - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    sounds about right to me. as a pens fan hopefully he learns a lesson in 5 gems and comes back a cleaner hockey player. i know Penguins brass is not happy with him right now. he basically put on the same kind of cheap shot Dave Steckel gave to Crosby a few years ago that led to his concussion problems.

    As much as I hate Marchand id rather see him get knocked out on a clean hit like the ORPIK/ERIKSSON ONE…this way theres no reason for anybody to whine and complain. (sense the sarcasm?).

    • lilgurgi - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

      Learn his lesson? This will be the 4th time he’s suspended (not counting the times he’s been warned). At some point, “he is what everyone thinks he is” (to borrow a little from classic Dennis Green). Neal is a skilled offensive player, but he is also a dirty/cheap shot as well. The fact that he gets points is the only reason why he hasn’t been suspended more times/for longer periods of time.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:43 PM

        For real, like, whats the point of the whole repeat offender rule? This is a prime example of where a repeat offender should have been dealt with more severely purely because of his history. Is his suspension history only worth an extra game or two? If so, the system is flawed. He wont learn his lesson, next time the penguins are involved in a game like this Neal will do something and he’ll receive another pointless 5 game suspension. The league is not deterring anything, this is only a minor inconvenience for the team. Id say the same about thornton if he gets less than 10, and Im a bruins fan.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        Shaundre, when you make dumb comments such as you’ve made, you don’t need to confirm you’re a Bruins fan; we get that from the nonsense you post.

        Look at your own team and the “repeat offender” rule. Boston is one of the dirtiest teams in the league but they’ve escaped suspensions for some reason. Look at the crap Chara does almost every game and last year when he broke a guy’s neck and nothing from the league.

        The NHL, particularly with Bettman and now Shanahan, have proven they are just a bunch of amateurs and they are ruining the game in the process.

        If the league really wants to deter something, then we’ll see Shawn Thornton banned for the rest of the year for his coward move on a defenseless player.

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

        I’m fine with that, greenmtnboy. But if we’re going to do that, Rene Bourque needs to go away for three seasons.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

        Clearly you’re the one with the dumb comment bud. Remember when marchand got 5 games for ducking a hit because he was a “repeat offender”. Do I need to find the video again of players across the NHL saying they believed chara/pacioretty was an accident needing no discipline?

        What thornton did was bad but we all know you to just be a bruins hater and we know you wouldn’t care if this happened with another team. If the bar is set at orpiks hit being clean and the neal knee being 5, how can you say 40+ would be fair for thornton? Also, how is the kneeing any less of a coward play? I bet you think that was an accident don’t you? I think its funny how people are taking out of this that Boston was the dirty team when the penguins initiated everything, and thornton just took it way to far in response

      • basedrum777 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

        shaundre Thorton approached a player from behind, slewfooted him, he hit another players knee on the way down knocking him out and then was punched twice in the face while his head hit the ice. I’m pretty sure if you put anyone’s name to that activity, be it a bruin or a Calgary Flame, they should get the rest of the season. I know you love your bruins but lets take a look at it objectively. That wasn’t a hockey play, it wasn’t honoring the code, it wasn’t using fighting to police your game. It was blatant behind the back attack on a player who had established he didn’t want to fight. Its about as bad as anything I’ve ever seen in hockey. Neal deserves his 5 games and probably deserved 8 or 10. Thorton should never be allowed to lace them up. He committed assault, not a 5 minute major. There was no honor in what he did and it should be made clear that the NHL isn’t there for thuggery.

    • kyzslew77 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

      Hahahahaha…. which Steckel “cheap shot” on Crosby did the Neal hit resemble? This one?

      Hate to break it to you but seeing a guy on all fours motionless on the ice and steering your knee into his head is nothing like skating up ice chasing a puck and having someone else who got caught puck watching skate directly into your path.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        Its certainly nothing compared to this…

      • bmoreredfury311 - Dec 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM

        kyzslew77 ,
        Thank you so much for making that point. Hen fans always whine, specially when the shoe is on the other foot. Crosby wasn’t paying attention, to where he was going and who/what was around him.

        Get over it and choose a better argument.

      • flyerspsu - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:23 PM

        or this … but Neal of course pulled the cowardly “i didnt mean to, it was accidental contact” card for this like he did on the Marchand play

  8. lilgurgi - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Should have been longer (I know, max for phone interview). Neal is now a 4 time (should have been 5 time, but he got away with leaping at Couturier’s head) repeat offender. Offensive skill player or not, he’s prone to doing dirty/sneaky plays and trying to get away with it. I’m content Shanahan suspended him, but in my opinion it should have been longer.

  9. burgh916 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    We already knew this would be the result. The rest in my opinion is Mario/Shero having a sit down with Neal, much like with Cooke. Hopefully Neal strays from these dirty antics from here on out.

    • c9castine - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM


  10. amityvillefun - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Punishment fits the crime. Still doesn’t return Eriksson or Kelly though. Those are just “unfortunate accidents.”

    • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:31 PM

      Spoken in the accent of a mob boss.

      • gerrharr66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:40 PM

        Dude, you totally made me just say that out loud.

    • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM

      YOU were an unfortunate accident.

      • amityvillefun - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:41 PM


        I’m glad I get under your skin. :)

      • drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        THIS is your example of intelligence and wit? LMAO

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        I stand behind my comment.

      • amityvillefun - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM

        Let’s make it personal. Meet me at the playground at 3:15. I’ll totally be there.

        Bring your Crosby shirt. It will be more fun that way!

        (You people really need to lighten up. This is supposed to be entertainment. No Penguins or Bruins fans were injured in these postings.)

      • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        Better yet – you wear Savard, I’ll wear Cooke. :)

      • gallyhatch - Dec 9, 2013 at 5:28 PM

        Now we’re talking 412, the troll is alive and well!

      • hockey412 - Dec 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM

        I appreciate you inviting yourself into the conversation with your value-added comment. We’d been going back and forth all day, it’s late for you to join the dance without first having said anything meaningful about the situation.

    • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:02 PM

      I can’t speak to Kelly, but Eriksson was no “unfortunate accident”. Eriksson should know better than to skate with his head down. It’s no one’s fault but his own that he got drilled the way he did on textbook check.

      I’ve got a $100 bill that says Eriksson is going to learn to skate with his head up.

      • bakedbees - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:58 PM

        I’ve got a $100 that says you don’t have $100…and borrowing it from your mom doesn’t count.

  11. drewsylvania - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    All suspensions for these obvious types of intent-to-injure plays should be much, much longer. They aren’t a deterrent. Otherwise, they wouldn’t happen so often.

    • hockey412 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      And teams wouldn’t hire such goons, eh.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      NHL will have to implement a rule on “Head Shots”, which the GMs refused to do a couple of years ago. I think they may have to change the their position considering the recent lawsuit filed against the NHL by former players.

  12. runhigh24 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Maybe now he’ll stop head-shotting people and get back to scoring goals.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:41 PM

      Really! 16 GP 10 Gs 10 As 20 Pts. C’mon!

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        no kidding 8 goals in his last 8 games, probably one of the hotter players going into december…a shame he keeps letting his team down with this crap.

  13. flash8910 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    “Neal isn’t a repeat offender under the terms of the CBA, but he does have a disciplinary history.”

    CBA helping players mess up other players since forever!!!

  14. 0ffsides - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Not a fan of either team, especially the Penguins due to favoritism shown by the league. There was an intent to injure…should have been a lot longer than 5 games.

    • runhigh24 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      I agree he should of gotten more, but its not due to favoritism. John Scott nearly decapitated Erickson and only got 7 games

      • flyerspsu - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:28 PM

        runhigh24, Neals play was worse than Scotts hit on ericksson

        Neal intentionally kneed Marchand in the head

        Scott recklessly went for a huge hit and caught the head, it was a bad hit, but he didnt try to head shot him, Neal tried to head shot Marchand, its all about intent

    • pens5829 - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM

      Not a fan of either team but hate the Penguins? Makes your “unbiased” opinion useless.

  15. Stiller43 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Absolutely fair

  16. Stiller43 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Cant wait to see what thornton gets…30?

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM

      Good number! Should be between 20 and 30 games. Bertuzzi got 20 on his attack on Moore. I bet you some congressmen somewhere is watching very closely what the NHL will do with this one. Anything related to concussions will get their attention.

    • stakex - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      Probably more in the range of seven games. What Thornton did was bad, but is it any worse than what Neal did here? Thornton will probably get an extra 2-3 games because he caused an injury, but in the grand scheme of things both incidents were just as dangerous.

      • josephusus - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        It’s only worse because he slew-footed Orpik to the ice and then punched him in the head. Twice. And knocked him out. When Orpik wasn’t expecting it.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

        Clearly, what Thornton did was much worse than bumping a guy in the head with your leg. He jumped a guy from behind, slew footed him and then sucker punched him a couple of times just to prove what a cowardly punk he is.

        If the league wants people to think they are serious about this garbage, then you can expect Thornton to sit out a minimum of 25 games.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM

        “Bumping a guy in the head” youre just full of it dude. If that’s a bump then thornton gently pulled orpik down and slapped him in the face

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:42 PM

        According to the CBA the NHL will take into consideration the injury caused by Thornton’s actions. While I agree that what Neal did was very reckless and dangerous and could have led to a head injury, but it didn’t and Orpik was concussed. So, they will give Thornton more than what they gave to Neal.

    • pastabelly - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:12 PM

      Thornton has never had a hearing before. As a first time offender, he will get 10. I’m surprised Orpik isn’t getting a hearing.

  17. 2dollarpbrs - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Maybe Brendan Shanahan “didn’t mean to” suspend this turd over the phone

  18. broadstreetbeatdown - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    So according to the CBA you can knee someone in the head every 18 months and not be considered a repeat offender? Thats hilarious. James Neal is a notorious head hunter which is too bad because he has some serious hockey skills. Should of been an in person and he should have gotten 10 games not just for his actions during the game but because he refused to accept responsibility afterwords. He kinda shoulda moved his knee but has to review the video. What a clown.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM

      That’s a good point. Anybody who has been suspended for a head shot should stay on that list for a longer period of time. BTW, I would qualify a punch to the head as a head shot. Hey! That’s just me. Pro-fighters stand down.

      Thank you

  19. broadstreetbeatdown - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    On a side note, am I the only one that thinks that the intro to these NHL discipline vids looks like a public service announcement for the Galactic Empire?

  20. josephusus - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Lifelong Pens fan, here, but I have been more and more upset with their on-ice antics of late. Crosby, when he’s upset, starts playing like a baby, and that sets the tone. I’m sure he gets tired of all the ‘extra’ shots he takes, and that would certainly upset anyone, but he HAS to learn to turn the other cheek. Since he hasn’t so far, he sets the tone for this crap from players like Neal. Yes, Marchand is a little punk who plays at the edge, but that doesn’t excuse this response. I hope Neal, and more importantly, Crosby, can learn from this.

    • pats2001 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

      nice to see a reasonable penguins fan on this board. i agree that the pens have been acting chippy over the last couple years. especially in the conference finals last year. for whatever reason, they felt it necessary to show the Bruins that they’re not gonna back down from them and play physical or whatever. if they had just stuck to their skill game, they prob would have won that series over the course of 7 games. and just so you know, there’s obviously going to always be morons in every fan base. but rest assured, there are still some Bruins fans out there that get it and know that thornton was completely out of line with what he did to orpik. But we also happen to agree with claude julien that there’s a bunch of guys on the pens that won’t own up to some of the stuff that went on before the thornton attack on orpik. hopefully they meet in the playoffs though. would be great entertainment for everyone involved.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM

      you must be a lifelong pens fan who doesnt watch the games. when’s the last time crosby didnt turn the other cheek? he skates away from just about everything, he might have something to say but he rarely does anything about it, especially after the whistle. every team that gears up to play the penguins has the same gameplan, get under crosby’s skin to get him off his game and hopefully take a penalty. 9/10 he doesnt do either…you must be thinking of malkin, malkin certainly will take a bad penalty or show his ass on occasion.

      • blackandorangeforlife - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:02 PM

        Sid always skates away?…Have you watched every game…especially the playoffs?….He skated away from Chara but skated right up to Rask……And that was in between the whistles…..Just like the glove incident the year before…..Or how about when he skated up to Hartenll that earned Adams a suspension?….At least Jose posts a non biased point of view……Mine was a repeat of your….100% biased but mine is based on fact….as Video proves every thing i said!

      • drewzducks - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM

        I’m guessing then that you’re NOT a Pens fan, or certainly not enough of a fan to have watched Game 1 of the ECF when Sid uncharacteristically tried to play tough guy and set the tone for the series with Rask then Chara. We all know how that worked out. Also this must be a Jack Edwards edited video cuz I could swear I saw Gino throw a punch at Bergeron while he was flat on his back ? Now I guess we know where Thornton got that move from.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        i’m sure you watch every pens game too? or are you just picking out 2 or 3 incidents because you dont see what he does the other 99% of the time? you have this tiny little sample of 2 events that were on national tv that you want to make an argument with. you can call me biased if you want to but you still didnt refute the fact that i said he skates away from just about everything. he is human after all and he will only get press if he doesnt turn the cheek anyway (understandable though). i have watched every game for years and years, i’ve seen him basically evolve from a snotty little kid who whined about everything to a much smarter guy who doesnt have time for it anymore. and to address your specific example with rask, i dont know a player in the league who wont say something to a goalie that just whacked him with the paddle as he skates by…and nothing came of that anyway…they both had words and skated away from each other.

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        “i’m sure you watch every pens{bruins} game too? or are you just picking out 2 or 3 incidents because you dont see what he does the other 99% of the time? you have this tiny little sample of 2 events that were on national tv that you want to make an argument with”

        This is essentially the argument for chara thornton and the rest of the bruins. Thanks!

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM

        you’re an idiot if you want to compare malkin’s punch in a fight (which was the kind of punch you see all the time in the league as fighters go down and fights are broken up) to thornton’s sucker punches to an unconscious and unwilling combatant. bergeron got worked over pretty good in that fight but at least he was willing to go.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        you’re welcome. i havent called the chara or thornton anything here so i dont mind clearing that up for chara or thornton if thats what they wanted to hear…you know because they read this and need validation for their arguments that you apparently are exclusively privy to.

      • drewzducks - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:18 PM

        Clearly you stopped watching the clip prior to 1:20 or you’re a delusional Pens fan. Why cut across a goalie who is on his way to the dressing room and put your elbow into his chest? While trying to skate around him, Rask’s stick clips Sidney in the side causing the Kid to crosscheck Rask’s right arm. I thought it was a little early and a sign of desperation to try to get into Rask’s head but I guess Sid knew what he was in store for over those four games.

    • willrad00 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM

      I had no idea how out of control Malkin could get also until watching the pens-islanders game a couple days ago. If that kind of selfish penalty with lesss then a minute to play is acceptable to the coaching staff it sets a bad culture for other players (like Neal) to do stupid, selfish crap.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

        exactly, he gets fired up easily, the flyers figured that out a couple years ago in the playoffs and now the cats out of the bag. if teams want to get after someone on the penguins, they should go after malkin, not crosby.

  21. hairpie2 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    If Neal gets 5 for kneeing a guy while he’s on the ice, Thornton should get 3 for punching someone without ever dropping his gloves. Especially given the reasoning behind it.

    • josephusus - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

      Your thinking and logic are not existing in the same universe, here. Unless you meant ’13’ or ’30’ instead of ‘3’.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

      With that logic you must have been a juror or judge who was bought by the mob.

  22. sjsharks66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    PHT should be PBT ( pro baby talk ).
    Neal got 5 games and that is more than fair for what happened. The constant “that doesn’t bring Eriksson or Kelly back” complaints are getting old.

    Bruins fans seem to forget that the Boston players were not all innocent. It is unfortunate that Kelly and Eriksson are hurt, but move on. If Orpik’s hit was dirty then Thornton should have let the league handle it. Obviously it was a clean hit. The league also decided Dupuis’s slash was accidental.

    I just hate seeings Boston fans cry about this stuff. Last time the Sharks played the Bruins I am pretty sure Chara elbowed Wingles in the head so hard it knocked his helmet off. He also cross checked Hertl in the mouth. He was not penalized on both plays or punished by the league. Stop pretending that you guys are so clean and some sort of angelic team. All teams pull cheap shots!

    Then we can go back to how “he knew Eriksson was already concussed this year! Why would he hit him unless he wanted to hurt him.” argument. You all seem to forget the playoffs where Chara punched crosby right in his recently broken jaw while he was held back by Bergeron. Again, no penalty.

    I like the Pens but I’m neutral in this fight. The Pens and Bruins both played a disgraceful game on Saturday. Disappointed in both teams.

    • cowboyjk - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:10 PM

      You make some valid comments however NHL suspensions are inconsistent to say the least. Orpik’s hit on Erikson is similiar to Eric Gryba’s hit on Lars Eller last year. At the time I believed the hit was clean but Gryba received a two game suspension.

      Thornton took responsibility for his actions. Just wish the Peguins would do the same!

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        except gryba hit him in the head with the shoulder, orpik did not make contact with the head at all. the only thing similar is about where it happened on the ice and the proximity of the puck to the players. if it had been a better pass, that wouldnt even be an argument in the orpik hit.

    • Seabass1970 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:01 PM

      Really did you miss the playoffs when Crosby went after the boston goalie coming of the ice like a baby he turtled when Chara came over. so make sure you know the whole story.

      • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        what you meant was, didnt you see crosby stick up for himself when rask whacked him with the goalie stick as he skated by on his way to a scrum in the ecf last year. look up the definition of turtle too while you’re reviewing the video evidence again with your black and gold glasses off this time. unbelieveable man…what you homers choose to see. crosby pushed chara twice in the chest and the big man did nothing, just kept running his mouth while the refs were in between

      • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM

        And the big man did nothing lol, remember when chara gave Crosby a shot to the mug and pens fans everywhere wanted a suspension?

        Referring to wingles.. helmet didn’t come off, his head was crushed between charas body and the glass, he didn’t bring his hands up or anything. Did he even miss a game? Chara shoulda got 2 min on the hertl play but that’s all. happens all the time. You have no right pointing fingers as long as your team employs torres, who bruins and pens fans alike will agree is the dirtiest in the league.

        Im sick of the witch hunt against boston. Every team has dirty players. Every team has good clean players that make dirty plays. Every team gets away with it occasionally.

        I don’t like the orpik hit because it was interference, not because I believe he made head contact. If sid takes that hit the hitter gets suspended and penalized.

        The bruins are obviously guilty here, but I don’t understand how theyre being made out to be the bad guys.

  23. phillyhatesyou - Dec 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    love the penguin fans saying how this is a fair punishment for a guy that has intentionally tried to injure other players on multiple occasions with dangerous hits. yet they scream for the heads of those players that do the same thing to them and think they should get 20 games anytime anyone has a borderline hit on one of their players. this knee to the head is one of the dirtiest things ive ever seen in a hockey game and if we are being honest if neal doesnt try to severely injure marchand with this crap then orpik doesnt get mauled by thornton. dont take this as a defense of thornton because dude should definitely get a lengthy suspension but neal definitely deserved at least 10 games. its the only way the league will deter players from making these kind of plays. shanahan yet again let another opportunity pass to make a statement.

    • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

      This is “the dirtiest things ive ever seen in a hockey game”. Really! A little drama queen to dump in the Pitt fans perhaps. Don’t get me wrong. It was dirty… but to call it one of the dirtiest things you’ve seen leads me to believe you weren’t around in the 70 to the Flyers play. Have you every heard of Ted Green or Wayne Maki? What about the very recent incident between Thronton and Orpik? Were you around in those days? Oh! Wait! That was Saturday?

      • phillyhatesyou - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM

        thats right just play down the fact that neal just tried to knock marchand out for an extended period of time. maybe next time he can just kick him in the face. and no i wasnt around for the 70’s however the things that happened in the 70’s in terms of fighting were part of the game then like it or not. kneeing someone in the skull while they are down has never been a part of the game. and thornton hopefully will get what he deserves however that doesnt make what neal did any less dispicable. honestly though thank you for proving the first couple sentences of my last post correct. another pens fan that doesnt think suspensions should apply to his team.

      • joey4id - Dec 9, 2013 at 5:00 PM

        firstly, I am not a Pens fan, and I never down played or condoned Neal’s action. I do question your knowledge of hockey history and assessed you are dramatizing the incident by calling if the dirtiest ever seen.

    • pens5829 - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

      Dude. Your a Flyer fan, so your blinded biased option on this matter doesn’t mean squat. Quit trolling.

  24. calden99 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    So thortan should get AT LEAST 10 games

  25. kastout11 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    I will start by saying I despise the Penguins. Clearly not liking the team, I do not like Crosby or Malkin, but the last few years my hatred for Neal is much stronger than that of Crosby and Malkin. I saw it in the playoffs a few year ago when he took several runs at Giroux and have noticed, although a borderline superstar, he is the dirtiest player on the team. My only wish is that Thornton would have done it to Neal instead of Orpik, although I don’t care for Orpik either, but I usually do not wish that kind of injury to most players. Orpik has always been a hard hitter, so you knew someone would take issue with some of his hits, especially the hit on Ericcson.

  26. kastout11 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    I forgot to give my opinion on the suspension. He intentionally tried to injure a player with a total disregard for his health. I think he deserved at least 10. He went out of his way to injure Marchand. I know Marchand can get under the skin of opposing players, espcially when he was a big part of the embarassing sweep last year in the playoffs. The Pens are garbage.

  27. hosewater2 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Fair suspension, but not feeling bad for a dirty player like Marchand anymore than I would feel bad for Bill Laimbeer.

  28. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    the nhl has well and truly put its tit in a wringer…

    before the courts and facing class action lawsuits, the force and volume of which are only going to accelerate and grow, the nhl is compelled to reconcile current disciplinary protocol against its own historical blundering; distorted and inconsistent on-ice and off-ice rulings from the past to be held against rulings in the present and onward

    it was easier to hide sins, paint over rot, manipulate process under aegis of time and sleepy forgetfulness back in the good old [ boy ] days. facing time as it occurs in the moment in a highly public court in the most scrutinized city in the world, concealment and manipulation will be bared under the sharpest of light and criticism

    nhl spin masters will be booking overtime, getting rich; to whom does one send a resume image doctors are whispering

    although there remain countless games to draw from, the bruins v. penguins debacle may well be the watershed for much of what happens forthwith…

    yes, neal embarrassed the league into discipline beyond reach of the clubby ministrations of the nhl and favoured sons holding undue influence in matters of discipline. in the present climate, neal has been suspended for five games when a year ago, the foul would likely have been over-looked, in-game and beyond [ brad marchand was the victim after all…goes around comes around, nudge nudge wink wink and all that…pass the glendronach will you shanny, ha ha chuckle chuckle ]

    sample in apropos

    reach back a couple of years into a cup final; we see red wings dominating penguins while closing in on another cup; we see mario lemieux and a penguins franchise badly in need of a new arena and a successful team to bring the fans to justify the effort; we see evgeni malkin initiating an unwarranted and unprovoked attack and bludgeoning of henrik zetterberg in the final minutes of a game…

    the rule of the day demanded ejection, and a following one game suspension

    what happened: the league discovered a new interpretation of the foul; the ‘spirit’ of the rule was meant to stop fighting and brawling in retribution for being outplayed and outclassed; evgeni malkin, in spite of being a self-centred ass with little in the way of class or self-discipline, was pardoned because his type of thuggery was not the same as anyone else’s type of thuggery after all, sniff…clink, cheers shanny, how’s the old boot, ball and chain, ha ha chuckle chuckle

    so there you have it, the nhl having to play by its own rules in the present, in contradiction to variance and subjective manipulation of the same rules in the past…

    neal gets hammered, malkin got a cup

    and the band played on…

    • guitarhunterdude - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM


  29. Seabass1970 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    greenmtnboy31 you are whats wrong with sports, some knuckle head that thinks is stuff don’t stink.

    YES Thornton was wrong and was front and center to say he was wrong and will take what ever he gets. But you say he’s a coward the man fights for a living. he takes on the biggest and baddest a team has to offer (lost a few in one punch) and he has some good hockey skills as well just check out his goals. Neals the coward kneeing a guy on the ground, Thornton did not hit him from behind he was looking right at him when he punched him.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:05 PM

      you could say the same thing to amityville…just an idiot with a schoolyard bully mentality

  30. Seabass1970 - Dec 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    if Marchand had kneed Sid the kid this would have been a life time ban and boston would lose draft picks, what a joke

    • gallyhatch - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM


  31. blackandorangeforlife - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Love how Pens think 5 games is fair yet demand non Pens players be banned from the game for life…..Cant wait untill the day Malkin and Neal receive the very same cheap head shots they have thrown thru out their careers…..This is the very reason most of us Hockey fans say their is and asterisk on the 2009 Cup!

  32. chanceoffleury - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Not to add fuel to the fire, but didn’t Neal get suspended after the PK Subban thing in 2012? In Neal’s defense it was a HORRIBLE suspension b/c Subban slewfooted him but I could have swore he got a game for high sticking Subban as he fell to the ice.

    I can not imagine Shero and Lemieux not having a sit down with him if they haven’t already. He’s just far too valuable to be missing any time. Since his return he’s been one of the highest scoring players in the league. He isn’t helping the team from the press box.

  33. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM


    too long, didn’t read…

    much like your abbreviated career in junior high…?

  34. steelers88 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Funny how everyone is upset that Neal only got 5 games. Be happy with that. The point is he got suspended thats what all of you wanted. Hopefully Neal can learn from this I doubt that though.

    • blackandorangeforlife - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:32 PM

      Why should anyone be happy about the favoritism in this ruling….I’m not even talking about the Pens i’m talking about the fact that stars or semi stars get less of a punishment then the average Joe!

  35. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM


    no offense here, i rather enjoy your posts, common sense and reason

    what makes anyone think lemieux or any other owner would take time off from wintering in the bahamas to sit down with anyone other than the tasty piece dispensing martinis

    they generally head north when the winter greens are put away, and playoffs begin

  36. steelers88 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    It find it funny that the Penguins fans have not defended Neal at all. It does suck however that the Boston fans are defending Thorton.

    • matt14gg - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:55 PM


    • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:07 PM

      That’s just a lie. Bruins fans are just annoyed that pens fans want the book thrown at thornton when Pittsburgh started that gong show and refuse to take responsibility for it. Bruins lost two players long term and easily coulda lost a third. Yet somehow the entire bruins team is dirty because one player took it to far looking for retribution? Please…

    • gallyhatch - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:54 PM

      Steelers88, take off your glasses.

      I and many others have stated that Thornton’s actions were a disgrace.

  37. steelers88 - Dec 9, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Sucks if Thorton gets less than 20 games.

  38. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM


    if he is in fact injured, open to debate, orpik was already suffering a self-inflicted brain injury of some degree arising from his take-out of eriksson…that’s what happens when opposing forces meet at speed

    rarely does anyone escape that kind of collision without feeling the force and energy of the hit…watch orpik’s play from that moment on…

    there is no way thornton’s punches of themselves, caused orpik’s injury, if he is in fact injured; why was he released and permitted to fly…from boston, home of some of the greatest hospitals and health care professionals on this planet…?

    when thornton jumped him, orpik was already on queer street looking for a bus out of town; thornton punched his ticket…orpik got on board

    time to man-up brooks

    • mc6796 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM

      I am a B’s fan and this comment is flat out moronic. Shawn Thornton, by his own admission, unlike the idiot Neal, was completely in the wrong. But you sir are an idiot. Orpik was knocked out cold, punches don’t need to be full force if place correctly, and he took the second punch flush on the chin. Plus, the Pens are already short two important defensemen, there is no way they place him on IR for a fake injury, just to get a longer suspension for a player on a team they likely won’t face again until the conference finals. Please don’t stand up for players on the B’s, and if you call yourself a B’s fan, please stop, you are nothing more than an idiot and give us all a bad name.

    • shaundre93 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:20 PM

      Ive been getting attacked all along for saying it, but I truly believe there wasn’t much of an injury there. Pens fans all say he was “obviously knocked out”. Well, maybe, but it didn’t look obvious to me. I saw his eyes open talking to trainers the whole time. He definitely went limp… but ive seen no concrete evidence he was ko’d. On top of that, if there is one thing I know about injuries being a bruins fan, it’s concussion protocol. If he was concussed, he would not have traveled with the team, he would have stayed over night for observation. If there was a neck injury, same thing. Every bruin that has been concussed on the road has stayed overnight in the hospital and traveled the next day. Im not saying it was all for show, maybe brooks was truly scared he was really hurt, but people need to stop comparing this to bertuzzi. Thornton was incredibly stupid but to say he put orpiks career in jeopardy any more than neal did marchand or brooks did Eriksson is just stupid. That’s what I hate about discipline in the NHL. Same plays happen but marchand is stretchered off and orpik keeps playin, and Neal is getting the book thrown at him and thornton gets a slap on the wrist. It makes no sense. The plays are equally bad, and IMO should both be 10 plus before considering their history

      • mc6796 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:43 PM

        There are so many thing wrong in this as well as right. First things first. What the hell do you think happens when you go limp? That means you are out, and you come right back, but you were still out. Watch the video again, the second punch his Orpik flush on the chin, his arms go limp then Thornton hits him one more time. If you are an mma fan there are many times where fight get hit and have a flash ko and get hit quickly after and the second punch wakes them up a bit. As for concussions and travel there are many levels and there is no standard practice, it is up to the dr to release the player. As Bruin fans we are way to familiar with concussion but all of them have been very severe concussions, fighters routinely travel after being ko’d, which is a concussion. All of that being said the idiots comparing Thornton to Bertuzzi or Mcsorley are just that, idiots. I actually think that the Neal thing is much worse, and the post game comments speak directly to the type of person each players are. Thornton is a stand up player that did something incredibly stupid but owned up to it and basically admitted he should be suspended. Neal is a dirty player who has no remorse for his actions and will most certainly do this again.

  39. sjsharks66 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Hey blackandorangeforlife,

    How is Rinaldo’s hearing going for pulling the same bush league stunt Thornton threw? Oh what? No hearing? The average joe though??
    You can say there is favoritism, which in some cases is true. Then there are just plain missed punishments from the league. Neal is a star player who caught 5 games for his embarrassing actions on Saturday. I see that as fair.
    Now lets look at Phaneuf. Do you think he will get 5 games? I an guessing about 3. Why? Because the Leafs are slumping and he is the star defenseman. Both Neal and Phaneuf’s hits were disrespectful and dangerous. No players were injured in either of them.

    Another average Joe example? Brad Stuart, he caught 3 games for hitting Nash. He has never had a suspension or discipline by the league in his entire career until then. The bottom line is the punishment by the NHL is ass backwards and is a mess. However, occasionally they get some correct. Like the Neal suspension here, the John Scott situation and Kessel situation. ( although I feel like Kessel should have missed a couple regular season games. )

    • blackandorangeforlife - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:16 PM

      I also think Rinaldo should get at least 5 games….In fact i’m pretty sure his match penalty gives him an automatic 1 gamer……Take away the fact the Orpik was injured and is there even anything more then a minor penalty?….Same with Rinaldo who has been suspended more than once so he does have a history……It would also indicate that the NHL department of player safety does not watch the games (video) like they claim or there would be more suspensions handed out….But alas revenue overrules the rule book!

      • blackandorangeforlife - Dec 9, 2013 at 7:46 PM

        Correction. He didn’t receive a match penalty just the game misconduct!….He still should have received a game or three!

  40. steelers88 - Dec 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    He was knocked out. I think one of the beat writers for the Penguins Rob Rossi tweeted out that Orpik was knocked out for 30 seconds.

  41. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM


    what happens if you go limp…?

    you apologize profusely, promise your partner and yourself to call it quits after the eighteenth beer…

    then wrack yourself with self-doubt and worry while secretly prowling the internet for a sure-fired chinese cure that doesn’t involve pickled snake heads, parts of any endangered species or a pneumatic apparatus…

    does that help…?

  42. hy3rid28 - Dec 9, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    I’m sure Mario is going too have alot to say about this… oh wait it was his player yet again

  43. muckleflugga - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:12 PM


    insofar as moronic commentary and need to refer to people as idiots:

    i invite you to bring factual evidence to the table indicating something other than juvenile hysterics under-pinned by a non medical opinion claiming authority over orpik’s health

    no competent hospital would have released orpik if he was concussed…it might surprise you, but hospitals and the opinion of hospital employees are preeminent in their domain…

    were orpik injured, no one walking this planet would have been able to secure orpik’s release without a full and clear medical release…liability borne by hospitals doing so would be profound if he had subsequently suffered relapse or died from bleeding in the brain…

    minimum time for observation on a patient who was knocked out is twelve hours, but typically twenty four…this with no medication clouding brain activity readings

    it is an insult to medical professionals to suggest concussion protocol was dismissed in effort to accommodate the travel plans of the almighty pittsburgh penguins, period

    in the meantime, grow up, and learn to engage discussion without the sort of nonsense typically driving the mysterious whisperings in a high school cafeteria

    orpik’s an ass who clobbered a defenceless player and in so doing, rang the bell occupying the empty reaches of his own vacuous skull…he got punched out for his troubles, then went limp to stop thornton’s assault, this without the grapes to stand up and defend his own stupidity

    orpik’s actions are every bit as inexcusable as are thornton’s, end of story…

  44. steelers88 - Dec 9, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Hopefully the incident that happened Saturday will open the NHL’s eyes. I think the NHL needs to evaluate the game of hockey. I would change two rules you can’t hit in the open ice. You can only hit on the boards. 2. No fighting. I love fighting but I think that it just needs to be banned. I also think players need to have more respect for each other. I haven’t seen this all year.

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Dec 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM

      The problem w banning fighting is it will probably lead to more dirty plays, some hits players need to answer for, I couldn’t agree more w bylsma’s interview where he said ‘not ever hit needs an answer. .that hit DID NOT need an answer, it could have been interference but for the most part, it was pretty clean. If you think Crosby gets hit a lot now, wait until you see what happens if the players who take liberties w him do when they don’t have to answer for it…

  45. ironman721 - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    That’s fair.

  46. thephillyfanclub - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    What a shame that such a talented player continues to show his lack of class and respect for other players, this guy is a freakin clown, he should have gotten 10 games, what an idiot kneeing a guy in the head while he’s on the ice. This guy is a joke and should be taught a lesson.

  47. luvclemente - Dec 9, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Neal made an instantaneous stupid $128,000 decision incited by the dislike of a player that easily brings such derision. Thornton deliberated for much longer in exacting his actions–worthy of at least 2x, and possibly 3x, the penalty of Neal. I’m expecting 10 games and $250.000. Amazing that these guys don’t for a moment think of the money they throw away when they are doing this stuff.

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