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Penguins’ Neal has phone hearing for knee on Bruins’ Marchand

Dec 7, 2013, 11:09 PM EDT

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Pittsburgh Penguins’ forward James Neal will have a phone hearing Monday, according to the NHL Department of Player Safety.

Neal was assessed a minor penalty for kneeing in the first period of Saturday’s game against the Boston Bruins. The Penguins’ forward was skating up the ice when he clipped Bruins’ forward Brad Marchand with a knee.

Marchand had been tripped to the ice and was on his stomach when it appeared Neal intentionally hit Marchand with his knee.

“He’s already going down and I guess I need to try to avoid him, but I have to look at it (on replay) again,” Neal told Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “I need to be more careful and I guess get my knee out of the way, but I’m not trying to hit him in the head or injure him or anything like that.”

Neal scored seven seconds after his penalty expired, giving the Penguins a 2-1 lead at the time. The Bruins came back with goals one minute and 16 seconds apart to record a 3-2 win.

Zdeno Chara scored the winner with 13 seconds remaining in regulation.

Because Neal’s hearing is over the phone and not in person, any suspension he receives can’t exceed five games.

He does have a history of supplemental discipline. He received a one-game ban in the 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs. In 2009, as a member of the Dallas Stars, he was handed a two-game suspension for a hit from behind on Derek Dorsett, as per

  1. cheetah440 - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Another headshot cheap shot by a Pen to a Bruin. Shocked.

    • 19to77 - Dec 8, 2013 at 2:06 AM

      Something something kettle something something pot.

      • mp1131211 - Dec 8, 2013 at 4:15 AM

        Hahaha… Excellent.

    • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:05 AM

      Couldn’t have happened to a nice Marchmallow.

      • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:25 PM

        Ya kinda like that little B#itch Orpik? gets punched twice and gets knocked out. But it’s typical Penguins take cheap shots and then back down and try to get the refs to step in to protect them.Bunch of pussies…

    • c9castine - Dec 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM

      why even say it? both teams have done dirty things to each other in the past. and again last night. why even act like one side is innocent and the other is guilty? I’m a pens fan i have no problem saying what neal did was a dirty play. hell get punished and deserve it.

      but don’t sit there and say crap and act like thornton didn’t do what he did and at that, one of the most despicable acts in hockey.

      • cheetah440 - Dec 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM

        I’m not a fan of Marchand and don’t like the way he plays. I don’t like the dirty plays he’s made in the past. But when you see a knee to the head, that has the potential to absolutely end a career. While Marchand has made some dirty plays, they haven’t been of the “end a career” variety. He’s an annoyance. a prick. I wasn’t happy with what Thorton did either. Thorton has never ever done anything remotely like that but Bruins are dropping like flies from illegal hits left and right and I think after the Orpik hit (which was completely illegal, Eriksson NEVER touched the puck, Orpik never made a play for the puck. The hit was hard and clean, but it was an illegal play)

        Orpik turtled from Thorton, then Neal does his thing and Thorton snapped. It happened, he regrets it and he will be punished. But someone needed to do something. That probably wasn’t it, but something needed to be done.
        Eriksson out, Kelley slashed and broken leg/ankle, Neal trying to take out Marchand. Players being illegally boarded left and right. Needs to end. I think Thorton felt it was his responsibility to end it. He did it the wrong way.

  2. mislysbb - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    IMO, Neal’s response to kneeing Marchand doesn’t make him sound all that intelligent…

    • nothanksimdriving123 - Dec 8, 2013 at 3:33 AM

      Actually, to me he sounds like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, trying to kinda sorta acknowledge he f***ed up without admitting he f***ed up.
      But to the larger point: These guys are terrific athletes, but the evidence suggests that very few of them are really brilliant men. Some of them seem actually kind of stupid. It seems what is required as these absurd incidents and injuries pile up night after night is for the NHL to start slamming these dimmer bulbs with really big penalties, suspensions and fines. And for the coaches of all 30 teams to start hammering them at practice with repeated reminders, over and over and over: STOP SMASHING VULNERABLE OPPONENTS!!!!!!!!

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        It’s a contact sport.

      • kllnmac - Dec 8, 2013 at 6:12 PM

        Actually, I bet it has something to do with the shot to the jaw Crosby took during the playoffs from Chara in front of the net (first game after he removed his cage). Chara was asked about it post game and said I would have to see the video but I don’t think it was me. Even tho his number 33 was very evident. I mean why else would he have flipped out on Chara? Face it the Bruins are a bunch of cheap f**ks who don’t like teams giving them back what they give to everyone else. No suspension for him so, I say no suspension for Neal.

  3. lindbergh9 - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    Doesn’t even come close to that Coward Thornton’s cheap shot!

    • the8man - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM

      Uh, Thornton spent most of the first pursuing Orpik and begging him to drop the gloves. Orpik, of course, wanted no part of it and spent the night running. It finally caught up to him.

      So while what Thornton did is nasty, he’s no coward. That cat would take on the whole Pens bench.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM

        Thornton’s a coward. Punks like him will get what’s coming. It was a good clean hit Orpik made, but the cheap shot Bruins just can’t handle good hockey; they have to goon it up and get away from real hockey to have a chance to win.

  4. gret9 - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    WTF? Neal clearly looks down at Marchand and leans his knee into his head while Marchand is on the ice. How does that only merit a phone hearing? Seems to be the very definition of intent to injure to me.

    • flyerspsu - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:27 PM

      cus hes a penguin and a good player, those are the 2 biggest factors that minimize suspensions

    • flyerspsu - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:50 PM

      also you’d think as his 3rd offense that warrant an in person hearing, guess not

    • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      It merits a phone hearing because it was Penguin who did the hitting! If it was the other way around all the Penguin fans here defending the hit as “accidental” would be on here crying for justice.But since it was a Penguin he’ll get of easy,even though he has a history of CHEAP SHOTS!!!!!!!

  5. LampyB - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Should get a full five games. An example needs to be set for this.

    • chadc84 - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:35 AM

      Should be 15!!!
      It was a disgusting and disrespectful play. No concern for the well being of the other player.
      But if you are a star in the NHL, you cannot be suspended for anywhere near the amount of games you should. Thorton will be severely punished and Neals hit will be overshadowed by Thortons more heinous act.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:12 AM

        I agree Thornton’s play was disgusting and disrepectful and I can’t wait to he gets his payback. I just hope I can watch it. Slew footing after grabbing him from behind and then slamming his head into the ice should get Thornton at least 20 games, maybe the rest of the season.

      • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM

        @greenmtnboy31.His head hit the ice?? did you see the play? his head didn’t hit the ice Thornton just plain knocked him out with 2 gloved punches.He never came close to his head bouncing of the ice.

      • coldfire22x - Dec 8, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        @seanobi: open your eyes man, there was a clear elbow.

  6. pastabelly - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    Orpik should have dropped his gloves. He did attempt to injure, clean hit or not. Thornton lost his head and will get 5-10 games. Neal will get a 2-3 games for his cheap shot. Good luck to Loui.

    • drone501 - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:18 AM

      pens were down to five healthy d men

      • shaundre93 - Dec 8, 2013 at 5:27 AM

        The bruins were down three forwards by games end. Your point?

    • Tyler - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:20 AM

      You a Boston fan by chance?

    • upyoursnfu - Dec 8, 2013 at 3:10 AM

      Orpik didn’t have a chance to fight, even if he wanted to. He was pushed to the grown and sucker punched twice.

      • matt14gg - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:43 AM

        You clearly didn’t watch the game.

      • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

        He had plenty of chances to fight,but in typical Penguin style he hid behind the refs..

    • joey4id - Dec 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM

      A player should never be obligated to flight. Thronton’s act was deliberate and calculated. About 10 minutes passed between the hit on Ericksson and his barbaric assault on Orpik. Betuzzi rec’d 20 games for jumping more so its safe to assume he’ll get a similar suspension. As for Neal, what he did was stupid and reckless, and he should get suspended. I’m guessing 2 to 5 games because it’s a phone hearing as indicated in the article.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        True, Orpik had no reason to fight, just because he leveled Erickson with a clean hard check that the Bruins were coughing up a hairball over it. Bruins can’t handle good hard hockey without gooning it up and taking it in the ditch. Cowards & Punks, watch the replays of this and Marchand & Chara over the past few years.

      • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:13 PM

        @greenboy.WOW that’s rich coming from a team that has had Neal,Cooke on it.Talk about cheap shots.the difference is the Bruins don’t hide behind the refs like the Penguins do..

    • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:10 PM

      He wouldn’t drop the gloves that’s not Penguin hockey.. Cheap shots and hiding behind the refs and whining,that’s Penguin hockey..

  7. flyerspsu - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Ok shanahan he has already been suspended twice and you let him off the hook for his incredibly illegal hit on couturier cus he claimed it was accidental, you for some reason believed him, DO NOT LET HIM GO THIS TIME

  8. muckleflugga - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:29 PM


    you nailed it…neal should have been ejected

    two games for intent, and three more if marchand’s injured

  9. btlpper68 - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    Fantasy owners hold their breath

  10. hazlydose - Dec 7, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Neal should probably get more than 5 games considering his history.

  11. stakex - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    It baffles me that such an obvious attempt to injure another player will only receive a phone hearing. Even if the league decided that a lengthy suspension was not needed, the option should have been left on the table.

    I think the league needs to put far more weight on the intent of a players actions, than the outcome of the incident. The two incidents that happened in this game tonight are equally dangerous, and have absolutely no place in hockey. However since Orpik was injured and Marchand wasn’t the punishment for two equally dangerous plays will be wildly different…. and there in lies the problem with the leagues discipline system. Don’t punish based on the outcome of the play, punish based on the maliciousness of the play.

    • joey4id - Dec 8, 2013 at 8:58 AM

      I almost agree with what you wrote. This is a first probably because you’re not talking out of the both sides of your mouth, and to which I can reply. What Neal did was absolutely stupid and reckless, and deserving of a suspension. Face to face hearing could have been scheduled. However, how do you prove intent?


      A determination to perform a particular act or to act in a particular manner for a specific reason; an aim or design; a resolution to use a certain means to reach an end.

      Intent is a mental attitude with which an individual acts, and therefore it cannot ordinarily be directly proved but must be inferred from surrounding facts and circumstances. Intent refers only to the state of mind with which the act is done or omitted. It differs from motive, which is what prompts a person to act or to fail to act.

    • joey4id - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:15 AM

      BTW, what is the intent of 2 players fighting? What was Thornton’s intent when he tried to engage Orpik into a fight? Isn’t that sort of malicious to want to beat up a player? Doesn’t that fall under your category of suspend-able malicious conduct? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

  12. micasa81 - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    When respect goes out the window, as is so clearly the case here (and in Thornton’s mugging of Orpik), it becomes a really, really unappealing game to watch. When Bertuzzi took out Moore I was turned off watching hockey for the rest of that season. These incidents weren’t close to that level, but they’re plenty disgusting.

    • joey4id - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM

      The incidents are very similar though the outcome will be very different…. we hope.

  13. Stiller43 - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    Yeah its orpiks fault that he was dragged to the ice and then punched in the head repeatedly while on the ice.

    All starting from a clean hit. How can a clean hit be intent to injure? Do you even read what you write? Wtf is wrong with you if you actually believe that?

    Oh and “good luck to louie” but not the guy taken to the hospital after being take off the ice in a stretcher. What a human being you are.

    As a human being first and a hockey player/fan second, BOTH neals and thorntons plays were dirty. Good luck to both injured players.

    • joey4id - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:11 AM

      You are absolutely correct. Intent cannot be proven and it’s stupid to suggest they start suspending players on that basis. Otherwise the NHL PA will be filling law suits left and right against the NHL for financial loss due to suspensions. It is much easier and more accurate to assess the impact of a barbaric act or good intent (like a body check) gone bad. Ericksson was hovering too close to the blue line to be looking back. D men in this situation are taughgt to use their shoulder to impeded offensive progress. The video showed the puck making contact with Eriksson’s stick just before Orpik’s hit. Orpik’s feet did not leave the ice, he did not charge, he elbow was tucked in, shoulder down and stick on the ice. It was a text book hot. Can’t say as much for Thornton, and Kudos to Orpik for not fighting.

      • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM

        REALLY??? what play were you watching? the puck was 10 feet away from Eriksson when Orpik hit him.That is a dirty hit!! and should have been a penalty.As for the intentional Neal knee to Marchands head ,maybe if Marchand laid on the ice for ten mins Neal might have been thrown out,but we KNOW they don’t make calls like that for Boston against Pittsburgh.Remember the Playoffs last year when Campbell BROKE HIS LEG and the refs didn’t blow the whistle for over a minute later because Pittsburgh had the puck,but in the same game Crosby went down and got a whistle 5 seconds later when the Bruins had the puck. So I’m expecting more blatant favouritism for the Penguins and their WHINING organization…

    • jl9830 - Dec 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      Orpik’s hit on Eriksson was anything but clean, homer. That doesn’t excuse Thornton, but let’s be real. Orpik is a dirty player, as is Neal. But of course, because Orpik plays for the Penguins, no punishment for that hit, which is what precipitates this garbage because the players feel the need to police themselves if the officials aren’t going to do it. Until the league starts treating all teams and players the same exact way (and everyone knows the Penguins get special treatment), this stuff isn’t going to stop, and it’s only going to keep hurting the game we all love.

  14. irokkit - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:16 AM


    No FAN of the game warrants any approval of either poor decisions by either player.
    I’m a huge Boston fan!!!!
    I love Marchand….I love Thornton.
    I also love Malkin and Neal.
    I love John Madden, McCarthy and yes…Shannhan too.
    Stop the hate people!!!!
    This was a really hard game to watch. It brought out anger, revenge and yes, it left us all clamoring for retribution. But, all we can hope for is the health if all injured players and for the league to educate the players. Not all grown mean understand respect. In any profession.
    But also remember this…passion, grit, heart and skill is the reason they are playing. THIS IS HOCKEY!!!!

  15. pdmjr - Dec 8, 2013 at 7:00 AM

    Marchand got what was coming to him, he’s a little prick and everyone in the NHL knows it. Give Neil a raise

    • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM

      I’ll drink to that and Thornton’s minimum 20 game suspension.

  16. buffalo65 - Dec 8, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    Hockey is getting out of control. As a fan of neither team I think Niel should get at least 10 , it was obvious he looked and leaned in. If the league had any guts they’d give him 20. Nothing but that will start to get the stupid stuff out of the game.
    Thornton shouldn’t play again this year. The game is dangerous enough without deliberate attempts to hurt people that aren’t related to the game.

  17. steelers88 - Dec 8, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    The only reason why might not get a long suspension is because his a star player and Marchand came back to the game. Thorton is going to get a lot more because Orpik didn’t come back to the game and Thorton is not a star player his an enforcer.

    • joey4id - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:19 AM

      balogny, Bertuzzi got 20 games for jumping Moore. NHL will use that suspension as the baseline to decide whether Thornton gets more or less games.

  18. buffalo65 - Dec 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM

    And someone please come on here and explain how fighting is a necessary deterrent after another night of craziness in the league.
    No fighting= fewer meatheads playing = better, more skilled hockey.

    • sizzle299 - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      You are dead on with your two comments. Fighting is not deterrent to what happened last night. What is a deterrent is the league getting serious and handing out suspensions for outrageous conduct. But for some reason it won’t.

    • Moop - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:22 AM

      No, fighting IS a deterrent to what happened last night. If Orpik had fought Thornton when first challenged, Thornton would not have decided to go after him a second time and attack him. Now, I’m not saying anyone HAS to fight another player when challenged; however, if Orpik had fought when first challenged, the resulting chaos would not have happened.

  19. pastabelly - Dec 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    Looking at the replay again this morning, Orpic should also be suspended. Let’s not forget that even though he didn’t get a penalty, his hit was illegal and dirty. Errickson’s season could be over. I am getting to the point where Little Miss Brooks is both dirty and a coward. Thornton doled out frontier justice and will deserve his suspension. Neal is a weasel and a punk and will be lucky to get 3 games. I feel bad for Errickson here. At the end of the day, his career, like Savard’s before him, could be over as the result of a dirty Penguins hit. I realize Savard actually tried to play again, but never recovered.

    • joey4id - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:20 AM

      Care to share with us why you think Orpik’s hit was dirty?

      • hockeyflow33 - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:02 PM

        I would think hitting a guy who has not touched the puck/has no way to play the puck and then gets hit would lead you to the conclusion that it was a bad hit.

    • matt14gg - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:52 AM

      I’m a Bruins fan, but Orpik’s hit was perfectly clean. If you think that’s a dirty hit you have no understanding of the game. Where Orpik went wrong was not dropping the gloves with Thornton. Orpik has been getting away with dirty hits for years (tho this was not one), and if he wants to play that way he has to be willing to answer for it.

      The knee by Neal was a despicable play.

      Thornton’s attack on Orpik later was inexcusable. Doesn’t matter what you think of the Pens, you can’t have that and I think he’ll get ten games.

      Finally, the Pens think they can take liberties with teams and players and get away with it. You can do that with some teams but you’re not going to do that to the Bruins. I feel bad for Orpik, tho I think he’s probably ok, but if your team plays that way you better understand that one of these days the guy getting cheap-shotted is going to be you. If he really has a problem with it he can do two things: first he can actually answer the bell, and secondly he can have a talk with his teammate about kneeing a guy in the head when the player is defenseless.

    • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      Orpic’s hit was clean all day long. You have no idea of checking in hockey if you really think that was illegal and dirty. It was textbook – shoulder to the breastbone – keep your chin up son – hockey. Marchand should have informed Erickson of that lesson he learned at the hands of PK!!

      Thornton showed what a punk and a coward he is. Marchand is the weasel and a punk and that’s why he deserved that hit.

      You just feel bad that the Bruins got pounded.

      • hockeyflow33 - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM

        Ummmm….the Bruins won the game so I’m not sure why you think they got pounded

  20. ironman721 - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    Both were cheep shots. Neal should get 3-5 games. Thornton 10-20. No place for this crap in hockey.

    • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

      No you have it backwards.The player with the history of suspensions for head shots should get 10-20 and the player who has NEVER been suspended should get3-5..

  21. mclovinhockey - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    Should get 6 IMO… Thornton should get 10

    • matt14gg - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

      I think you nailed it, but Neal won’t get more than 5 since it’s only a phone hearing.

  22. muckleflugga - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:12 AM


    i appreciate and support your position on fighting

    i also detest orpik for his hit, and for exaggerating the seriousness of the cuffing from thornton…it was pure theatre, and it remains an insult to players genuinely injured

    orpik was capable of surviving a ruinous collision with eriksson, in sufficient trim to elude the pursuit of thornton in the moment, but went critical and possible doa when he got a couple of half-hearted slaps with thornton’s glove several minutes later…?

    early morning reviews are in, orpik’s a leading candidate for this year’s ‘hossa’…a gilded turtle some observers believe to resemble a dildo that is awarded to the player most able to convince himself, an ems crew, and several others, he’d been injured by a glove to the head

    may i have the envelope [ and the k-gel ] please…

    • joey4id - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:32 AM

      Well! I disagree your view of the incident. You saw “half hearted slaps with gloves on” and I saw 2 elbows to Orpik’s head. Then his right arm stretched out which usually indicates a concussion has occured. Remember Horton when he got nailed at the blue line (I think it was against Vancouver… not sure though). One arm stretched outward. This is referred to as “fencer’s response”.

      “The fencing response is a peculiar position of the arms following a concussion”

    • greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM

      The village called, they would like you back.

  23. muckleflugga - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:46 AM


    what video shows the puck contacting eriksson’s stick…?

    if it did, when did puck possession occur, this while understanding the purpose of a body check is to separate a player from puck possession rather than from his head

    orpik had every opportunity to let-up, but drilled eriksson regardless of his vulnerability and prior health issues…is orpik capable of reading, what an ass

    and, why does orpik present a history of trashing smaller skill players, but becomes invisible when burly and willing combatants are bearing down

    [ turtles, turtles…rah, rah, rah….ooooo, i love turtles ]

    how can orpik’s hit be rationalized as a ‘good’ hockey hit…when did hockey become a game of destruction rather than a game of skill…

    round about the time the term ‘spirit of the rule’ began to circulate, itself a sliding scale based on subjective elements of whim and fancy and the box office appeal of miscreants, that’s when

    the root cause is constituted in subjective rules, indifferent and inconsistent officiating, and little in the way of meaningful direction from a league vastly more interested in bottom line than player well being…

    • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      Just another typical pussie play by a Penguin.Cheap shot,Don’t answer the bell and hide behind the refs…

  24. matt14gg - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    The biggest takeaway I have from this is that Loui Eriksson needs to pick his head up. This is the second time he’s been to the quiet room because he thinks he can come through the neutral zone with his head down. Yes, the Scott hit was a clear head shot, but the Orpik hit was a good hockey play and that’s on the player to protect himself.

  25. sizzle299 - Dec 8, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    That Neal only gets a phone hearing considering his history, and what the tape clearly shows to be intentional, demonstrates that the league disciplinary system is not based on fairness and consistency and therefore is not legitimate. It is even more outrageous that Neal is not owning up to it, shows his character for those of you who still don’t see it by now. If the NHL wonders why it’s stuck as the 4th sport in the USA, it can add that its disciplinary procedures are a total sham. In the off chance suspensions get handed down, they are rarely more than a few games even when players act like total animals. Why would any suspension be less than 5 games in an 82 game season? It’s like no penalty at all and not a deterrent. Isn’t being a deterrent the point? Nope, not to the NHL. Plus the frequency that players get away with this, especially Penguins players, only makes players be bolder and do this type of stuff more often. Let’s face it, the league is inviting the type of game that happened last night by the way it does business.

  26. bruins4ever - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    joey4id: maybe have another look at Opik’s hit, his shoulder is right into the jaw of Erickson, Oprik, Neal and Thornton should all be suspended.
    Boy that Neal can’t remember what he does on the ice!!! He says Marchand was going down and he must have hit him with his knee, what “bull”, Marchand is getting up, the puck is long gone, Neal shates toward Marchand and deliver’s a deliberate knee to the head. I believe that’s called a deliberate attempt to injure. Why else would you want to knee him in the head when he’s down. Joey4id maybe with your colored glasses you can let us all know.

  27. greenmtnboy31 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Wow, the Bruins fans are whining waaaaay more than normal and they brought it all on themselves.

    Nate Horton levelled by Aaron Rome.
    Marchand hammered by PK Subban.
    Erickson pounded by Orpik; textbook shoulder to the chest – SIT DOWN!

    I have a lesson here for you Bruins – Keep Your Head Up; dumba$$e$.

    • matt14gg - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:06 PM

      It’s usually right around this time in the conversation that you start making an ass of yourself and once again you didn’t disappoint.

    • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:29 PM

      How about Orpik hiding behind the refs all night? Maybe he should learn to take a punch if he’s gonna throw late hit’s on defenseless player’s?

    • naterealgood - Dec 9, 2013 at 11:32 PM

      Bud the only lesson taught was by Thornton. Cowardice kneeing of one of his teammates’ head = ground and pound. If you’re going to skate off the ice after that move then you’re leaving one of your own guys wide open for a brutal retaliation. This is North American hockey and it’s the best kind.

      You think Shawn’s really that sorry? I doubt it. He did his job. Sure you can argue that there is no place for his role in the game. You most likely don’t have a player like him on the roster.

      I’m not a B’s leghumper. I’m a realist. This is the NHL, the most entertaining league of hockey in the world. This kind of play isn’t going anywhere. Get on board or get golfing.

  28. jkibler1 - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    It is a bit difficult for me to work up any tears for the cheap shot artist Marchand. He is a complete waste,a cheap shot artist and crybaby. He will fake an injury at any given moment . He deserves all he gets and then some. Of course bruin fans will defend him but then criticize any other player that plays like him. Typical bruin fans, it’s ok for their team to have goons and cheap shot artists but heaven forbid when another team has one. Marchand gets what he deserves.

    • jl9830 - Dec 8, 2013 at 2:52 PM

      Yeah, he deserves to get kneed right in the head while he’s already on the ice. LOL. If someone did that to Crosby, who cheap shots just as many players as Marchand, you’d probably start a hunger strike.

  29. blackandorangeforlife - Dec 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    When Neal gets a cheap shot that ends his career dont cry…Instead call it Karma….While i detest Thortons actions i have no sympathy when a Pens gets taken out……Dont want to see your teammate leave on a stretcher?…..dont throw a dirty hit…This will be Neals 3rd incident (deliberate head shot) yet he gets a phone call?
    The Pens have gotten away with dirty play since Sid entered the league and Malkin has been the worst offender followed by Neal and i will cheer when Karma knocks on their door (head)

  30. steelpenbucs87 - Dec 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Neal is an incredible talent but he’s young and immature. That was a disgraceful and disgusting play. Really ugly. I know Marchand is an agitator and an instigator but that was awful.

    Thornton and Neal should both be out double digit games.

    With that being said, to end this on a positive note, really great to see Bergeron helping with the stretcher – class act.

  31. ducksk - Dec 8, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    B strong-stay stupid. The only difference with all sports fans in Bean town and filthy is…..well nothing.

    • hockeyflow33 - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

      Ugh, that’s honestly just terrible. At least be funny.

  32. muckleflugga - Dec 8, 2013 at 12:55 PM



    not bad, but it’s ambiguous. do you mean village as in one going without its resident idiot, or village as in the village people…?

    literary allusion in an insult is good; it invites its recipient to synthesize, connect the dots as it were…the effect can be more profound and humorous…

    when i see a grown man such as yourself using the term ‘boy’ in his handle, i think back woods, double-wide, hanging deer carcass, half- starved rottweilers, twelve year old gut-rusted pick-up complete with rifle rack, camo sweats and wife beaters, and a gal tipping the toledos in around two forty, two axe handles wide


    • seanobi - Dec 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM


  33. bobhpine - Dec 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    The response from hockey fans about this and the Thornton matter is as disturbing as I suspected. It’s just a bunch of Internet tough guy BS talk from people with zero empathy or sense.

    I’m a Pens fan. Neal should be suspended. I want him to be suspended. What he did was dangerous and it doesn’t matter the list of transgressions Marchand is guilty of.

    What Thornton did was criminal. If that had taken place in the TD Garden parking lot instead of the ice, he would be looking at gag assault charges. What he did was throw a guy down from behind and beat his head into the ice while Orpik lay defenseless. The fact that he knows and likes Orpik actually makes it more disturbing…how could someone do that to a person he supposedly likes and respects?

    What happened between Matt Cooke and Savard is irrelevant. What happened earlier in that shift or game is irrelevant. If the NHL let this stuff happen with only slaps on the wrist, the end result will be that someone will die on the ice and the NHL will just go away.

    People like Zac Rinaldo and Shawn Thornton simply don’t belong in the league. If they couldn’t fight, they wouldn’t be in the league. It’s time to move past this crap. I’d put Neal out for 20 games and I’d put Thornton out for 100. Those will be shocking punishments and guess what, they might actually help to eliminate these awful things from happening.

    MOST of us want that, but let’s face it, the vocal minority, the idiots who get on here and other places and beat their chests about being tough and “playing the game the right way” will win because that’s how the NHL operates.

    And that is why most people don’t care about hockey and never will. That is why it’s on a major network for about a heartbeat every year and the NBA destroys it as it’s winter competition. There was a time when violence was more prevalent in the NBA, see Rudy Tomjanovich punch. They got smart.

    The NHL never will I fear.

  34. jl9830 - Dec 8, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    I bet James Neal will get a slap on the wrist because he plays for Mario and with Sid, yet if another player did this who wasn’t a star, he’d get 5-10 games. Whatever. This kind of garbage is what happens when you have a league that doesn’t treat teams and players equally in terms of officiating games and punishing these infractions. Until the league decides to punish offenses instead of players/teams, this garbage isn’t going to go away.

  35. billsboy88 - Dec 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Is there a part of the rule book that says a player must avoid a player who is down on the ice? I know that kneeing is a penalty, which Neal did.

    I don’t like what Neal did at all, but seriously, is that a rule? Or is that something that falls into the seemingly endless list of unwritten rules or ever changing idea of proper hockey etiquette? Hockey more so than any other sport seems to have a ton of these. I have an idea of what a dirty hit is in football, but in hockey, I have no idea. The Orpik hit on Eriksson. It seems like every time there is a hard check there is a vocal handful of people claiming it to be dirty. Guess that’s why I’m not a ref.

    • blackandorangeforlife - Dec 8, 2013 at 10:17 PM

      “Anytime the head is the principle point of contact”…….The body part that connects with it matters not (other then chest or back) if the head is the main target!

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