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Flyers’ Couturier: ‘We’re starting to believe in ourselves’

Dec 4, 2013, 11:55 PM EDT

Sean Couturier AP

The numbers were against the Philadelphia Flyers as they entered the third period down 3-2 against the Detroit Red Wings on Wednesday, but they stormed back to win 6-3. To Sean Couturier, it was all about confidence, something he relayed to the assembled media including the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Sam Carchidi.

“It’s good for our confidence, and that’s why we won tonight,” Couturier said. “We’re starting to believe in ourselves.”

More specifically, Couturier might have more belief in himself.

The 20-year-old collected a career-high four points tonight (two goals, two assists) as the first-rounder seems to be finding his offensive groove on what’s becoming a formidable second line with Matt Read and Steve Downie. NHL Network’s Matt Sitkoff points out that the trio has generated a whopping 27 points in the last 10 games.

The Flyers now find themselves with 28 points (13-13-3), which leaves them just outside the sickly East’s top eight (the New York Rangers get the tie-breaker because they have more wins).

If their recent work is any indication, Philly might be tougher – or at least more confident – than its overall record implies.

  1. c9castine - Dec 5, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    100% honesty: I’m hoping the flyers never fully get their ass in gear because games/playoff series against them are far too unpredictable and as a pens fan i have grown to hate unpredictability, and secretly fear playing them every time as flyer fans should secretly fear playing the pens. been a pretty back and forth affair lately.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:12 AM

      I have all the respect in the world for the talent on the Pens roster, it’s world-class, but in all honesty, I would love to see them in the playoffs. It’s not as if I don’t think the Pens would/could win the series, I just believe the Flyers match-up against Pitt very well. Couturier is really starting to develop into something special and he already knows how to throw Malkin off his game like no one else. Crosby’s stats against us are Gretzky-ish, but I believe his presence elevates the play of Giroux. And Hartnell is just amazing at getting under the skin of players like Kunitz, Neal, and Letang. Plus we added another skilled agitator in Downie.

      And that’s all without mentioning that we now have solid to stellar goaltending (where as before we relied on BRYZ), while Fleury is a meltdown waiting to happen. We don’t always win but no one knows how to throw Pittsburgh off their game like the orange and black.

      • c9castine - Dec 5, 2013 at 2:28 AM

        dude your dreaming if you think the flyers actually have anything on the pens.

        downie is still wearing a welding mask and we have two guys that have separate themselves from the pack in the scoring race and another in the mix. james neal has 9 goals and 9 assists in 12 games. so giroux matches gretzky numbers with….giroux numbers. so what? fleury has 15 wins, leads the league with 3 shutouts, has a 2.06 GAA and .918SV%. give it up. a lot better than masons numbers.

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 2:44 AM

        Dude your an idiot. First off he was complementing your pens, not saying we’d flat out win. He said its a good matchup and can go either way. I don’t see how you got that all from reading his comment. Second off fleurys numbers are not better then mason’s. Mason went into this game with a 2.06 GA and a .932 S%. If you knew anything about hockey you’d know that the S% stat tells ya more about how good the goalie is then the GA. And your pens heavily rly on Malkin Crosby and the flyers have consistent scoring on all three lines. You guys have no 3rd line, the games decided on 3 of your top 6 scoring. Look what the flyers 3rd line just did for us. And your Delusional if you don’t think Downies been one of our best players.

      • drone501 - Dec 5, 2013 at 7:48 AM

        the flyers are playing well just as i thought they would. comimg from a pens fan its is hard to say that. but the pens seem to have playoff troubles, period, whether it be flyers, isles , canadians, tampa. you do know where im going with this. like chuck noll used to say, on any given sunday. except here it is any playoff game. the bottom line is marc andre.

      • c9castine - Dec 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM

        haha yeah, forget about wins and how many goals you allow. its about the percentage of shots saved that matter in this game.

        i expect a lot of thumbs down in this article but come on you can’t really believe steve mason is better than fleury. he’s playing well for sure and is a good goalie but….no. you guys are getting too excited about him because you’ve been desperate for years.

      • c9castine - Dec 5, 2013 at 3:13 PM

        consistent scoring? really? yeah consistently low. i didn’t say anything about downie other than he’s wearing a welding mask. he’s not too tough or intimidating trust me and he doesn’t scare much as a scorer, despite he’s cute point totals. he did complement the team then said “yeah but all these no talent hacks we have playing for us can do the job I’m not worried” no. you should be worried. sure they can beat the pens but you should go into every game expecting to be outplayed and out coached because thats what they outcome should be every time.

        no we play against boston or chicago or anaheim or san jose and there is a top level matchup.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 5, 2013 at 5:13 PM

        C9castine, you really are an idiot. Of course MA Fleury is gonna have pretty stats every season, he plays behind two of the most offensively gifted stars ever. Plus a few other offensive dynamos. He can allow 3, 4, 5 goals and still win regular season games. And you’re really gonna go after Downie bc he wears a visor? Following a head injury? If Pronger had worn a visor he’d still be our captain. And only about 75%+ of the league wears em. Man it is Pens fans like you that makes it so easy to understand why most everyone sees Pittsburgh as the most arrogant organization in the entire league. Maybe in the four major sports, right up there with the Patriots.

        I gave respect to the Pens in my first post, you’ve given nothing but disrespect since then. And simultaneously shown a complete lack of hockey knowledge, which indicates to me that your interest in the sport started somewhere around 2008. Sv% is absolutely a better indicator of goalie performance than wins or GAA. You obviously haven’t watched Steve Mason more than a few times bc he’s absolutely outplayed “the FLOWER” this season. If the Flyers hadn’t started the season 1-7, unable to score a goal, then he’d have just as many wins as Fleury, who’s had consistent offensive support his entire career.

    • hockey412 - Dec 5, 2013 at 8:29 AM

      This whole conversation string is awesome and epitomizes the relationship between Philly and the Burgh perfectly.

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

      You really are a moron castline, nowhere in anybody’s post does it say ‘the flyers are better than the penguins’, nowhere. Everything phillyphanatic said is accurate and in no way does it even imply the flyers are better or in your words ‘have anything’ on the penguins. It states facts about the rivalry, pens owned it early, flyers owned it next and now it’s kind of been back and forth and has fallen off ever so slightly due to the flyers recent struggles but if you’re gonna throw James Neal and MAF numbers at us…lol even good pens fans would laugh at you, you’re like the idiots on espn ‘talk about fleury putting last years playoffs behind him’. Yeah, brag to me about fleury AFTER his reaction to the first soft goal he allows in the playoffs

    • kastout11 - Dec 5, 2013 at 12:23 PM

      Phillyphanatic77 said the Crosby has Gretzky numbers against us, not Giroux.

  2. hockeyfan28 - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    He’s really taken his game up a level since Chief became coach…..give props to the coaching staff for working with this kid

  3. nbafans1987 - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    I bought this uniform from set for my 7 year old son and it fits him really good. Hes a pretty tall kid and the medium size fits him really well. Pretty True to size. Its not the best quality jersey but then again, you get what you pay for. I have no complaints and neither does my son. He loves it.

  4. macjacmccoy - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:58 AM

    Thats actually their 3rd line their second line is Simmonds, Lecavalier, and Shenn.

    • flyerspsu - Dec 6, 2013 at 10:30 PM

      it was supposed to be but not only have they been producing a lot more than schenn and simmers line but they have been getting more ice time too, read and couturier have been getting 20 + min a nigh lately which is honestly what they deserve, literally the only 2 players in the Flyers top 9 that are good defensively

  5. jbell33139 - Dec 5, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    I’ll take Pitt as an opponent in the playoffs all day. We own them and they’re soft. They crumble.

  6. c9castine - Dec 5, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    crumble like a 3-0 lead? shhhh.

    • narfmoo12 - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      Two goals in four games against Boston. Your all-world players were completely shut down. Your star goalie was mercifully benched after falling apart (after another good REGULAR season). Pittsburgh is soft.

  7. broadstreetsbaddest88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 2:48 AM

    Need I bring up the boston series last year? Shhhh

  8. steelers88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 6:56 AM

    I’m sorry but your wrong. How do you see the guy complementing the Penguins? Because I don’t. The Penguins defense is a lot better and deeper than a few years ago, Fleury is having a career year(even though he still has to prove himself in the Playoffs). Also Crosby and Malkin are at both at the tops if their games at the same time. I would take Crosby and Malkin over Giroux and Lecavvier anyday.

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 9:53 AM

      When did I ever say fleury’s GA is cause of your defense? It’s cause of your strong offensive puck possession in the opponents zones. Pens tend to stay in the the offensive zone and could result in the other teams more occupied in there’s then gettin shots off at fleury. Fleury’s playing good but masons S% shows he’s been better so far. Anyone would agree with me. And there’s no doubting Malkin an Crosby are the best but there’s no denying that your team heavily rely’s off them to win games where as flyers don’t need giroux and Vinny to be our whole team. We got 3 lines for that. Look what happened in the playoffs when them two were shut down held to no points verse bruins, they had no one else step up and they lost.

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

      Yeah I would take those 2 first also, can you even name anybody else on the roster? That’s the thing about a lot of you Pittsburgh fans, plenty are great, loyal fans but there’s a big % of you that are dumb bandwagon jumpers that only follow your team when they’re good which is why the pen’s went bankrupt years ago and why the pirates finally have fans. We may have a rough time in philly w championships but we’re loyal and I’ll take that over whatever crap you have any day of the week, hope to see you in the playoffs, know we won’t be seeing the steelers!!!

    • kastout11 - Dec 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM

      Of course you would take Crosby and Malkin over Giroux and Lecavlier. The Flyers are still a work in progress, but they rely on solid play from either 3 or all 4 lines, while the Pens have 2 lines, that Boston has proven, can be shut down. By no means do I thinnk Philly is better than Pittsuburg, but choosing Pitt’s top 2 players over the Flyers top 2 is just obvious.

  9. steelers88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 6:59 AM

    Well at least the Penguins got that far last year where were the Flyers? Playing golf.

    • kellyb9 - Dec 5, 2013 at 8:57 AM

      As a Flyers fan, I hope we’ll be cutting down a bit on golf in the offseason… that sport is dangerous!

    • philafly - Dec 5, 2013 at 9:56 AM

      And yet the Flyers still won the same number of Stanley Cups as the Pens last year. Don’t act like getting to the playoffs was satisfying. The Pens were picked to win the Cup at the start of the year and failed to do so. Yes, the Flyers missed the playoffs. We know that. But I wouldn’t brag about making the playoffs only to get embarrassed by the Bruins.

      • ibieiniid - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:44 AM

        I feel like I’m too absent from this Flyers/Pens argument, but I actually have some work to do today, so I’ll just throw this meme I made last summer into the mix.

  10. steelers88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 7:05 AM

    Don’t worry if the Playoffs started today the Penguins wouldn’t be playing the Flyers they would be playing the Lightning. The Flyers would play the Bruins.

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Dec 5, 2013 at 11:00 AM

      Flyers would be out, get your facts straight idiot

  11. zta7991 - Dec 5, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    I don’t think the question was if fleury was having a good year all was said was that mason is having a better year. and in all fairness if pitts defense is that stacked his numbers should be a little better. yes Crosby and Malkin are talented and no one can deny that…but couterier has allways given Malkin issues since he has been 18. I personally would love to see the flyers pen playoff rematch again this year…I guess we will see come playoff time

  12. sizzle299 - Dec 5, 2013 at 7:34 AM

    Great posts pens fans, nice to see you all comment on another flyers article….although, I have seen the amount and type of trash talking go down lately. Wonder if it’s because the Flyers are back on track and you are, and should be, TERRIFIED of meeting them in the playoffs. To back that up, need I mention anything other than the last playoffs series? You remember, the one where you got gutted and your idol and dreamdate Crosby made a national embarrassment of himself and your team? Not to mention Fleury…gooo!!

  13. LampyB - Dec 5, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Where dis the Giroux haters go? Ahh yes, back into a hole. Had a slow start but this guy is so awesome to watch!

    • hockey412 - Dec 5, 2013 at 8:35 AM

      I still hate him, for what it’s worth :)

    • ibieiniid - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

      honestly, Couturier, Read, Grossmann (aside from his occasional slow game) and Mason have been our best players this season. G isn’t even close to being in the mix. Aside from that one goal where G slid it cross-crease to Vinny for the PP slapper, I haven’t seen any plays from the top line like that one 3rd line goal last night. Couturier behind the net makes a PERFECT no-look pass to read, who doesn’t shoot, but moves around the goalie and slides it in under his pad. that was one of the most beautiful goals I’ve seen the Flyers score in like 2 years. and that’s not the first time we’ve seen Couturier make an awe-inspiring pass or see Read have some goalie-dropping patience this year either. they’re on fire.

  14. steelers88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    Who is Claude Giroux? Don’t you mean Fraud Giroux.

  15. steelers88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    That is actually pretty funny.

  16. steelers88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    The only reason why the Flyers are having all this success is because Mason is playing over his head. The Flyers also have played inferior teams. Let’s look at the past 13 games: VS EDM, @OTT, @PIT, @Winnipeg, VS BUF, VS OTT, VS NYI, @FLA, @TB, VS Winnipeg, @NSH, @MIN, @DET. Those teams combined records are 12-12-3. The Flyers have only played 6 teams above .500 in the past 13 games. They did go 3-2-1 against those teams. The Flyers 8 wins include 5 against teams with losing records. The Oilers, Islanders, and Sabres are 3 of the 4 worst teams in the standings overall. Despite playing those inferior teams the Flyers 5-5 fenwick has only improved for 46.8 to 47.8. The Flyers during the 13 game stretch have only averaged 2.5 goals scored a game. That is about half a goal than earlier in the season. But again those numbers are skewed by scoring 23 goals in 5 games against the Islanders, Oilers Senators(twice), and Sabres. The next 5 out of 6 games the Flyers play winning teams and they appear destined to relocate the franchise to a little place called regression, population Flyers.

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM

      Dude you stole that entire post from bleacher report. It’s amazing how much you plagiarize on this site. That’s all you do is copy and paste stuff of other peoples articles. You got caught last week stealing a pens writers tweet and using it as your own comment on here. Do you think everyone is as dumb as you and wouldn’t notice. Most on here read other websites. It’s amazing how stupid you pens fans are. You make it to easy for us.

    • narfmoo12 - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:26 AM

      So wait… The Flyers played nearly half of their games against teams over .500 (6 out of 13)? AND they went 3-2-1 against the teams that are over .500? That’s 7 points in 6 games. So the Flyers had a winning record against the better teams in the league and you’re whining that they played inferior teams? Your logic is so ridiculously flawed that I’m amazed you were even able to get on the internet, let alone make a post.

  17. laxman1944 - Dec 5, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    It was a good win……got the power play going a bit

    No big deal it’s December.

    • jpelle82 - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:31 AM

      still a good confidence booster, winning in joe louis is always an accomplishment in itself at any time of the year.

      • laxman1944 - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM

        LOL….Heck yeah……still the memories of getting swept in 97′ hurt and it goes to show you 1 line does not get it done in the playoffs.

  18. joey4id - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    It was a big win considering they came back from a 2 goal deficit. Let’s not forget that the Wings had their b squad dressed last night. Coburn got beat at center ice on Franzen’s goal and he had to hold Helm inside the blue line which lead to a penalty. Signs that he is too slow, and he will get beat often especially when playing against the better teams. You know you re weak on d when Coburn is playing when you re down 2 players. No doubt Mason is doing well, and they have some very good players, but overall depth is lacking. In the past 12 years very few teams made the playoffs with less than 90 points. Very difficult task when every game is a make or break a season since being 1 7 0. Most other teams are playing to win games whereas the Flyers who are constantly in a do or die mode. That wears a team down quickly. Fatigue and injury go hand in hand, so they have to be very very lucky on top of battling the mental fatigue of chasing teams for a playoff spot.

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

      Did you seriously just say depth is lacking? Apparently you didn’t read the article considering its main focus was how we’re gettin top line scoring from our 3rd line which is one of the best in the league. Do you think before you write half your comment

      • joey4id - Dec 5, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        I don’t form my hockey opinions based on articles written here or any other site. So, if anything smack me around for having a different opinion, but it remains my opinion. BTW, depth doesn’t stop at the 3rd line. I noticed there was a fourth line last night. Did you?

      • joey4id - Dec 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM

        I not only think when I write half my comment, but I think when I write the whole comment. I don’t do things in halves.

        Clearly you are a bias Flyers fan unable to see things from an objective perspective. Flyers just beat a team who were missing their top forwards; Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk and all missing were 2 regulars, Todd Bertuzzi, and Danny DeKeyser.

      • narfmoo12 - Dec 5, 2013 at 12:15 PM

        Flyers were missing LeCavalier. Injuries happen.

      • joey4id - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

        Tell you what, if I’m the Flyers playing DET in a best of 7 series I’ll sit Lecavalier if DET sits Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk, Todd Bertuzzi, and Danny DeKeyser. How does that work? On the other hand, if I’m DET I’ll sit say Alfredson, if the Flyers sit Giroux, Couturier, Coburn, and Downie. Deal! Or, no deal!

      • philafly - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        Joey4id- Yes, Detroit was missing 4 players. But they had won 4 straight before the Flyers game without Datsyuk, Bertuzzi and DeKeyser by a combined score of 18-3, including a 6-1 win over Boston. It’s not like Detroit has been losing without those guys.

        If you are going to downplay the significance of a win, at least check and see if the stats support your argument. They don’t here.

      • joey4id - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:25 PM

        When I assess a team I don’t look at it from a fan’s perspective, and I look at the team in the context of how they will fair in the playoffs playing against the top teams. SJS, CHI, BOS, STL, PITT, etc… How does a team fair against the top teams at every position and how will that translate into playoff hockey? The level of intensity in the NHL increases in Jan-Feb and goes up another notch in the playoffs, and every series you advance you have to be a little better. In this respect, and compared to the teams listed, they are lacking depth. You can’t seriously assess the quality of your team based on a win against a wounded team. However, you can take a lot of positives away and build on that. But! You’re only as strong as your depth. You need to have talented top 6 forwards and good supporting actors from 7 to 12. You need to be able to role 4 lines at playoff level to be considered deep in my opinion. Do you seriously think the Flyers have as much depth as CHI, PIT or BOS? I don’t. Doesn’t mean they can’t beat them because stuff happens in the playoffs.

      • joey4id - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        philafly, I hear you. And I said there are a lot of positives to take away. Do you seriously think DET or any top team is going to win every remaining game? They are bound lose some, and some against the weaker teams. Ex. Det losing to the Flyers. This win, thought a big win for the Flyers, is as impressive as the Pens beating the Oilers 3-2 or Hawks beating the Panthers 3-2 in October. Don’t overly up play the significance of this win. Be caution and aware of the fact that this team is further from a caliber team and playoff threat than the Wings, Bos, Chi, Pitt, STL, COL etc…

      • philafly - Dec 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM

        I see what you are saying but I haven’t said that it is some season-changing win. I am just point out that the win should not be swept under the rug simply because Detroit was missing some key players. That said, I don’t think anyone in Philly believes the Flyers are on par with Bos, SJ, Chi, or Pitt (ughh) etc. at the moment. But they are improving quickly and their record reflects that. Like you said, just get to the playoffs, then who knows what could happen.

      • joey4id - Dec 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        philafly, Exactly! I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The NHL is better off with a strong Flyers team than otherwise. There are amongst my favorite teams to watch, and always fun to see the Pens try to control their emotions when playing against their arch rivals from PA. As a hockey fan I’d pay to see the Pens vs Flyers in the playoffs. But! I’m not betting that the Flyers will make it. I’ll give the edge to the Rangers to take the last spot of the top three in the met division because they have a better coach and goalie. That leaves them with the a wild card spot. TB, TOR, Flyers and NJ. It’s going to be a fun and crazy home stretch. Enjoy!

    • narfmoo12 - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:57 AM

      It concerns me that you think being down 2 goals in the 2nd period means you stop playing all three defensive pairs. Also, Coburn has played the most minutes of any Flyers skater, and is -1 while playing consistently against top lines. Next, the Flyers started 1-7 but now are tied for a playoff spot. Games are no longer do or die because they are in the same spot as the Capitals (2 points ahead of the Flyers), Rangers, and Devils.

      • joey4id - Dec 5, 2013 at 11:52 AM

        Never said Berube should stop playing his defensive pairs. Clearly he can’t do that because the boys will run out of gas down the stretch. He’s got to play the players the GM provided, and the ones he chooses to dress on any given night. Clearly we saw Coburn get beat at center ice on Franzen’s game and he was slow making his pivot when Helm blew by him. Coburn resorted to a hold to stop him. That’s my opinion even though it wasn’t written in this article. :-)

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Dec 5, 2013 at 12:09 PM

        Clearly you don’t know what a fourth line is there for not to mention we have gotten bonus points from them lately. They did there job last night by killing off the wings many power plays and winning most of they’re face offs we needed them to win. So again I ask you, what is your idea of depth since you seem to think we’re lacking it

  19. mclovinhockey - Dec 5, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Main reason I would love to see flyers pens in the playoffs, it’s one of the best rivalries in sports over that past 10 years, I know both teams could come out on top easily, pens have some elite goal scores and when MAF is on his game he is clearly one of the best goalies in the league. Flyers know how to take their elite players off their game and slow their point total…. With MAF playing great, and Mason also being one of the top in the league right now, that series would be intense.

    Not saying I don’t fear the pens as a flyers fan, anyone would be a moron to say that, but I have always been a hockey fan first, and good fun hockey out weights a predictable playoffs round any day for me.

    • hockeyfan28 - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      It’s the Auburn/Alabama of hockey

  20. kastout11 - Dec 5, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    As a Flyers fan, although another playoff series with the Pens would be exciting, especially when we win, I want no part of the Pens in the playoffs. Although, Fluery will certainly melt down again, just like he has the last 4 years in the playoffs. Forget how well he is playing now, it matters in the playoffs, where he has come up short the last few attempts. As far as Couturier goes, I was one of the guys who just about gave up on him. He looked terrible the first month of the season, but since Philly aquired Downie, he and the rest of that line has been solid, and defensively, he is sick. He gets Malkin off his game and is an outstanding penalty killer. G is still Philly’s best player, but it is nice having a quality player playing shorthanded and the man advantage and being put on the other teams top center as a defensive stopper.

    • ibieiniid - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:14 PM

      I think that’s a mutual feeling between Flyers and Penguins fans. if either team’s base says they aren’t scared of playing the other, they’re lying. there’s so much sh**-talking at stake there. nobody wants to be ragged on by the other team for the next several years.

      but just judging by that series a few years ago, us Flyers fans can sleep just a LITTLE tighter than Penguins fans.

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