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Islanders embarrassed in fifth consecutive loss

Nov 29, 2013, 6:45 PM EDT

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John Tavares might have all the faith in the world in New York Islanders head coach Jack Capuano, but the team’s fan base can be forgiven if they’re praying for changes. The Isles lost their fifth consecutive game on Friday, and it wasn’t pretty, as the Detroit Red Wings dismissed them 5-0.

Really, the Islanders might just be thankful when November is over. They’ve now lost 10 of their last 12 games – all of those defeats coming in regulation – and have only won one regulation game in that span. The Isles’ last victory of any kind came in a 5-4 shootout win against these Red Wings on Nov. 16.

Daniel Alfredsson enjoyed his 1,200th career NHL game at the Islanders’ expense, scoring his fifth and sixth goals of 2013-14 while also collecting his 13th assist.

At this point, PHT is getting the chance to stock up on pictures of sad Kevin Poulin, as he’s been absorbing most of the abuse in net.

Really, you can cast the net pretty widely if you’re playing the blame game. Let’s exclude bigger picture questions (the arena, owner Charles Wang?) and just look at the more immediate scapegoats:

  • Poulin, who dropped to 3-10-0 with lousy individual numbers.
  • Capuano, who keeps starting Poulin and seemingly cannot find an answer for the Isles’ troubles.
  • GM Garth Snow, who decided to stick with an aging goalie in Evgeni Nabokov and didn’t provide him with an experienced backup. Oh yeah, Snow also gambled with the team’s 2014 first-rounder in that Thomas Vanek trade, so Isles fans can’t even distract themselves with prospect talk.

Either way, these are dark times for the Islanders and their fans.

  1. deadrabbit79 - Nov 29, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Now introducing the interim coach of the Islanders Doug Weight

  2. mattymarts17 - Nov 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Cap has to be fired. Another trade HAS to be made. Have to show Vanek and other players that this team is committed to winning now. If no changed are made why would he stay? Losing him and what would be a high first round draft pick would be detrimental to the future.

    • bcisleman - Nov 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM

      If the Isles wind up in the bottom 10, they keep their pick this year but will be losing 1st and 2nd in 2015. Be something if they won the lottery and got Sam Reinhart to play w/ brother Griffin.

  3. steelers88 - Nov 29, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Wow I’m shocked that the Islanders suck this year. After the series they gave the Penguins last year I thought they were ready to take off. I thought that the Islanders might have had chance this year to contend for the Stanley Cup if everything fell right for them. I feel like if the Islanders can make a trade for a decent goalie they might be able to turn it around. I don’t know who’s out there though. I was surprised they didn’t sign Bryzgalov.

    • gettingpwned - Nov 30, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      they let streit go, but never replaced him. 2 rookies on the blueline. 1 just got demoted (donovan was awful all year). bailey has disappeared as well. i’m sick of his streaky play. he needs to go next.

      the goaltending wasnt addressed either. nabby was terrible in the post season but they went with him again. and poulin, while his D in front of him has been poor, has proven to be less than capable.

      bottom line, this team plays ZERO defense. just watch the goals scored and watch all the isles watching the play and how often theyre outnumbered deep in their own end. it isn’t hard to figure out why theyre getting killed.

  4. feedmetherock - Nov 29, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    I thought the 1st was a conditional for this year. If they finish in the bottom 10, then it becomes a 2015 first round.. Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought those details were released after the trade..

    • bcisleman - Nov 29, 2013 at 8:14 PM

      No. You are right.

  5. bleedrangerblue - Nov 29, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    As a Ranger fan I say yay!!

  6. buffalo65 - Nov 29, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Keep losing isles, hire Darcy. All is forgiven, come back to buffalo.

  7. csilojohnson - Nov 29, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Surprised. i thought last year was a sign of good things for the islanders. the vanek trade was damaging. i believe cap is a good coach. fire gm. maybe coach if they want to stir things up. they need a goalie though.

  8. jlilly67 - Nov 29, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    They need defense more than anything. Goalies have little chance with this group.

  9. bcisleman - Nov 29, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Biggest problem Isles have is losing Straiter and Lubo. Defense went to pot after they went down. Second biggest problem is they do not play 60 minutes of hockey. Point of Vanek trade was to shake up team but it didn’t work. Firing Jack might be next.

    • islanders1 - Nov 30, 2013 at 12:40 AM

      6-5-3 prior to the trade of Moulson 2- 10 – 0 since nice way to shake it up Snow!

    • mattymarts17 - Nov 30, 2013 at 1:20 AM

      You can’t seriously take stock in believing Brian Strait is that significant of a cog here. Is he better than what’s out there? Sure. Is he a 3rd line stay at home defenseman? Yes. Ofcourse Snow should be fired but that’ll never happen. Cap has to go and many people are pointing out the isles record after the Vanek trade but… He was injured for a few games. We needed a big time goalie. I really do like Poulin and while he has some mental errors that comes with youth. It seems like the organization didn’t really plan for 13-14 season. Prospects nowhere near ready and no stopgaps.

      • bcisleman - Dec 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM

        Based on minutes, he and Lubo are or were top four…and the defense was far more effective with them than it has been without them. Facts, as the great man said, are stubborn things.

        Garth made several bids at trading for a big time goalie (Luongo, Schneider, Bernier) but couldn’t get it done partly because his main trading chip (Nino) carried too high a cap hit. Should’ve made serious effort to sign another vet D after failing to re-sign Streiter and sign a vet G after those trade proposals fell flat.

  10. gooze930 - Nov 29, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    How in the world does Garth Snow have a job??? Ridiculous.

    • c9castine - Nov 30, 2013 at 6:41 PM

      look who the owner is.

  11. tjvalley - Nov 29, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Snow added value by adding Vanek instead of moulson. Worst case scenario is the islanders trade Vanek for something they need. Lots of teams are going to want him at the deadline. He could land us a goalie or two first round picks.

    • islanders1 - Nov 30, 2013 at 12:24 AM

      Look at the stat’s I know it is early but Moulson is doing better than Vanek and he is not playing with JT. Snow trades for a guy that wants to be with Wild and most likely will be next season. Give up two draft choices and Moulson for a rental makes no sense, 2 wins and 10 losses since the trade. Buffalo has a better record since the trade even with their coaching changes do not blame the coaching staff. Moulson always came deep in the defensive end allowing JT to hang high and run the break out great combination and not a selfish play by Moulson. Things are much different for JT now and the result is clear. Lots of time to get corrected but time is clicking on the play-offs

      • neeza06 - Nov 30, 2013 at 2:39 AM

        all those minnesota wild rumors where started by a minnesota journalist who covers the wild. He added fuel to them cause the thought it was a strong possibility and thought it was a prefrect fit. He previously had stated and even came out again after the vanek trade and made it clear that his columns are and always have been pure speculation. No one in the wild organization nor in vaneks camp have said one thing about it. It is obviously a possibility but it doesnt at all make vanek a rental. You dont have to like snow but hes not that dumb to trade two high picks and his star players best friend with zero chances of keeping him long term

  12. 7mantel - Nov 29, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    gooze930: Snow has a job because he comes a cheap price , just like how the rest of that org. is run !

  13. cheliostwin - Nov 29, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    This game was another indicator of how well Ken Holland has managed The Red Wings prospects in the minors. Datsyuk, Bertuzzi and DeKeyser are out with injuries, that just leaves more room and playing time for the next set of stars that have been groomed in the minors for the last several seasons. Tatar, Nyquist, Smith have all stepped up their games and are playing really well. It’s good to see Helm back in the lineup, the Wings really missed his hustle on the ice. Hopefully this game has restored Jimmy Howard’s confidence, which might’ve been damaged in the that 0-3-4 winless streak he was on.

    • islanders1 - Nov 30, 2013 at 12:28 AM

      The Islanders are bad right now and the fact that they can not compete with a starless Wings team just highlights even further 0-3-4 before playing the Islanders ouch!

    • 2late2matter - Nov 30, 2013 at 5:18 PM

      Guess nobody considers that that those “old and tired” Detroit Red Wings can actually play the game of hockey as it should be: They win.

      • 2late2matter - Nov 30, 2013 at 5:23 PM

        And don’t forget that their Grand Rapids “farm club” in the AHL won their 5th straight game recently and the trophy in 2012-13. Half the players there are NHL-quality and they belong to the Red Wings.

  14. canucks30 - Nov 30, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    The Wang and the The Snowman need to go for true progress to occur on Long Island (Brooklyn?).

    • neeza06 - Nov 30, 2013 at 2:17 AM

      isles fans should be a little more grateful of wang. Im not gonna try and argue he is a great and knowledgable owner cause he isnt. But he isnt the worst in NY (Dolan) and there is a 0% chance the islanders are still in NY if any other owner ran the franchise. The organization just bleeds money and he gets jerked around by local politicians and then taxpayers tell him they dont care if he stays or goes and he still goes out of his way to keep the team local.

      • jl9830 - Nov 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM

        Thank you. Wang will get credit from future Islanders fans for keeping the team here. Most of the people complaining about him wouldn’t have kept the Islanders if they were losing over $20M per year owning the team. They’d have sold out to an owner who moved the team to Seattle or Quebec. Wang saved the Islanders franchise.

  15. gettingpwned - Nov 30, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    it’s just amazing how poorly they planned for this year. paper thin on D and in net and it’s biting them in the ass, hard.

    • neeza06 - Nov 30, 2013 at 2:31 AM

      I hear you and agree with you as far as goalies go. We dont know what happens behind the scences but Mason and Bishop all moved last year and Schneider and Bernier were moved this offseason and you didnt hear of the islanders being in on any of them which is a problem and is on snow. But ive said before who are these defenseman that we should have signed this offseason? I know of no lock down defenseman moving teams this summer, especially not any jumping to come to long island. We still dont have the appeal that top free agents want which is what i assume the vanek trade is an attempt to alleviate. It deosnt look grea now but if he wants to stay its a win and if he doesnt I assume he will be dealt at the deadline.

  16. timmons94 - Nov 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    I still think they turn this around…I have watched 2 of their games, both vs my Pens…If anyone had watched those 2 games, u would be shocked where they are..They obviously are ready for the Pens…Far, far to much talent to be this low in standings…

    • mattymarts17 - Nov 30, 2013 at 12:30 PM

      Did you watch any other games? No effort until halfway through the 3rd. None yesterday afternoon.

  17. jl9830 - Nov 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Just so everyone knows, the Islanders fans CAN in fact distract themselves with prospect talk, as their first-rounder this year is protected if it’s in the top 10 (the pick becomes their 2015 first in this case).

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