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‘It’s like Groundhog Day’: Schneider frustrated about backing up Brodeur

Nov 27, 2013, 11:42 AM EDT

Cory Schneider is back in a familiar position.

The Devils goalie will sit for the third straight game on Wednesday, backing up Martin Brodeur for a home date against the visiting Carolina Hurricanes.

It’s a justified decision — Brodeur has played well of late, stopping 47 of his last 51 shots faced — but one that’s gotten under Schneider’s skin, reminding him of the situation in Vancouver between himself and Roberto Luongo.

“It’s like Groundhog Day for me,” Schneider said, as per the Star-Ledger. “I can’t seem to escape it.”

Schneider spent his first four NHL seasons working as Luongo’s backup, ascending to a pseudo-No. 1 job in during the lockout-shortened ’13 campaign. But even then, he hardly had a lock on the starting gig — Schneider made 30 appearances to Luongo’s 20 last year.

This summer, he was dealt to New Jersey in what many saw as a passing of the torch. There was no question he was the succession plan to Brodeur in goal, though several people within the organization — head coach Peter DeBoer and GM Lou Lamoriello most notably — made it clear Brodeur would be the starter and Schneider would be the “1A” this season.

Through 26 games, it’s basically gone that way.

Brodeur has a slight edge in games played — 14, to Schneider’s 10 — but Schneider does have the superior numbers, including a .925 save percentage and 1.87 GAA.

Schneider’s frustration is also somewhat justified given that, while Brodeur has played well lately, he’s still lost two games in a row.

But whatever the case, Schneider’s remarks certainly are interesting. He has just this year and the next remaining on his three-year, $12 million deal, and is facing a predicament — Schneider will be 28 at the end of this season, but has yet to appear in more than 33 games in a single season.

When does the “starting goalie of the future” actually get to handle a starter’s workload?

  1. ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    omg man, shut the hell up. wait ONE F’ING YEAR! that’s all, you’ll be the starter. you aren’t going to come into NJ and unseat a LEGENDARY goalie in 25 games. unbef’inglievable he brings this up.

    • stakex - Nov 27, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      Well considering Brodeur’s age, and the fact that his numbers have been far from legendary over the last three seasons…. I don’t think it was unrealistic for Schneider to expect to be the starter.

      Also, what if Brodeur decides to play another season? Probably unlikely, but if he does the situation next year could be similar. So it might not be one year.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 12:37 PM

        when I typed that, I think I was thinking of Selanne’s retirement situation instead of Brodeurs. thought it was already determined he’d retire. i rescind.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 12:37 PM

        …somewhat. I still don’t think the Devs need that right now.

    • c9castine - Nov 27, 2013 at 1:28 PM

      100% agreement dude was out of his mind if he thought he was gonna come in and start 65 games.

      fact of the matter is Marty is still one of the better goalies in this league, and you don’t come into Martin Brodeurs franchise of over 20 years and expect to be THE MAN.

      maybe this was the problem in Vancouver. because he was NEVER better than Luongo

      • ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 1:32 PM

        that’s the part that most angered me about this. EVEN IF Brodeur’s been slackin for a couple years (is it really HIM slacking, or the Devs?), that’s still Brodeur and this is still the Devils. Schneider’s lucky he’s getting what he’s getting. I more like the strategy of giving him half the starts anyway until he proves himself in a full season in a not-just-a-backup role.

      • jl9830 - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:10 PM

        Actually, Brodeur is not even close to one of the better goalies in the league right now, or over the past few seasons. Not to diminish his past or anything, but there’s literally no “fact of the matter” showing that Brodeur’s been one of the “better goalies in the league” in the past few seasons.

      • c9castine - Nov 28, 2013 at 2:11 AM

        come in ibieiniid, your a flyer fan right? we have been watching our teams play the boring ass devils for years. they aren’t a shadow of their former self but Marty is still stopping pucks.

        jl9830 oh really? cause since 2009-2010 he’s put up 131 wins, 24 shutouts, and took his team to the stanley cup finals.

        how many goalies can claim that in that time span?? Niemi and Quick. thats it. marc andre fleury if you went back another year.

        take a seat.

    • skr213 - Nov 27, 2013 at 3:29 PM

      I think the most important thing to remember is that Schneider was *traded* to the Devils. It’s not like he chose to go there and now should lie quietly in the bed that he made. He’s a world class goalie and just keeps getting stuck backing up franchise goalies. Who among us wouldn’t be frustrated by that? He’s got nothing against Marty (rumor is that they’re good friends and get along great), it’s just got to be a surreal experience to get traded away from the ‘Nucks but wind up in the exact same scenario.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        yeah but the way I read it, he was traded to the Devils as Vancouver’s backup goalie. sure, he got most of the starts in the short season and was spectacular statistically, but that was also when we were all 100% sure Luongo would end up with his skates where Tim Thomas’ are right now. The bottom line is that Cory hasn’t played more than 30-and-a-couple games in a single season. And to me, if you have Brodeur waiting in the wings, giving Schneider his season-high amount of starts (he’s on pace for that) seems like they’re doing his psyche a FAVOR, if anything.

      • skr213 - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:09 PM

        You’re arguing whether it is reasonable to start Marty from an objective point of view. Now just think about being one of the best in the world at something (aside from PHT chirping 😉 and you finally wrestle a starting job away from one “face of the franchise” player and all the rumors are that that player is going to be traded away and the #1 job is yours. Then, instead, *you* get traded and wind up in the *exact* same scenario you were stuck in before and thought you had come out on top of. That’s *got* to be frustrating for a guy. How can anyone blame him for lamenting being in this situation. He’s not lamenting Marty starting, he’s lamenting that he’s in this same situation again.

      • elrock7 - Nov 27, 2013 at 9:59 PM

        Who says he is a world class goalie? He certainly hasn’t proven a darn thing! He has never carried the load for even 1 season!

      • c9castine - Nov 28, 2013 at 2:13 AM

        lol yeah real surreal. “hey man, luongo is locked up for the net millennium, you can’t start here, so we are gonna trade you to a team where the guy is 78 years old and sooner or later its all yours!”

        sounds terrible.

    • badgerhockey77 - Nov 28, 2013 at 7:23 PM

      I agree. He’s getting paid millions to sit on his a$$. We should all be so lucky. Hey Cory…go out and buy a Ferrari and you’ll feel better about yourself. Sheesh!

  2. jpelle82 - Nov 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    its just about 50/50 dont know what he’s complainging about, hope he didnt expect brodeur to just roll over and die. he should be focused on the olympics and taking over the devils next year.

  3. jpelle82 - Nov 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    its just about 50/50 dont know what he’s complaining about, hope he didnt expect brodeur to just roll over and die. he should be focused on the olympics and taking over the devils next year.

  4. getadealdonealready - Nov 27, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    The only difference I see is “groundhog day” the movie was somewhat good, you evidentially are not.

    • davebabychreturns - Nov 27, 2013 at 12:58 PM

      Evidentially you are not watching the games or even checking the stats in the blog post that you’re commenting on for that matter.

      Not surprising that Cory’s frustrated over the situation, he’s normally the type who says all the right things so it’s a bit surprising that someone got a quote out of him on the subject but he’s been delivering quality goaltending for a few years now and still hasn’t (last year aside) been unable to win a starting job despite being the better goaltender.

      He’ll just have to bide his time a little bit longer but he’ll be 28 when the next season starts.. must be starting to feel like he’ll spend some of his best years waiting for a chance to shine.

      PS. wouldn’t it be horrendous for the Devils if Schneider ends up just deciding to test the UFA market when his deal expires?

      • thailer35 - Nov 27, 2013 at 1:20 PM

        Thumbs up for the ironic use of evidentially.

      • micasa81 - Nov 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM

        Great comment. It’s pretty clear that those labeling Schneider an ungrateful, cocky upstart didn’t follow his time in Vancouver very closely. For those of us who did, he gets the benefit of a doubt when quotes like this come up.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM

        except that he’s in NJ now, not Vancouver. he hasn’t earned much more for their team than he’s getting… a split with one of the greatest goaltenders ever.

      • davebabychreturns - Nov 27, 2013 at 3:07 PM

        idieiniid, no real disagreement – which is why like I said I’m a little surprised he gave someone a quote like that (and I would guess he is nowhere near, say, complaining to the coaching staff or anything like that).

      • ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 3:40 PM

        oh i was replying to micasa81 with that last one.

  5. blomfeld - Nov 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    “but has yet to appear in more than 33 games in a single season” ? …

    Yeah, well ‘thanks a lot’ for that Luongo! The bottom line friends is that while it may be tough, Schneider nonetheless needs to stay positive and keep an eye on the ‘long’ term. He’s clearly one the NHL’s ‘top 5’ and it’s now only a matter of time before Brodeur is ‘removed’ from the equation. What Schneider endured here in Vancouver was deplorable, what with the ‘suffocating’ presence of Luongo blocking his career progress at every conceivable turn. A lesser man would have broken years ago and packed it in. But not Schneider, who despite all the injustices he suffered at the hands of Luongo and Gillis, still somehow managed to always handle things with class and dignity. Now he’s almost there. Therefore it’s vital that he stays the course and doesn’t succumb to hopelessness or despair.

    GO SCHNEIDER GO !!! :)

    *** NHL’S TOP 5 GOALIES as per Swedish daily Goteborg Posten ***

    1) Jonathan Quick
    2) Benjamin Scrivens
    3) Cory Schneider
    4) Jonathan Bernier
    5) Carey Price

    58) Ilya Bryzgalov
    59) Alexander Ovechkin
    60) Roberto Luongo

  6. martysbetter - Nov 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Not at all surprised by this – there is no reason why Marty should be starting over Schneider tonight. There was no reason why Marty should have started against the Jets on Monday.

    Schneider has been absolutely stellar all season and if it wasn’t for him, we would easily have dropped an additional game on our west coast trip. He’s 100% earned a start tonight with his performance in LA.

    I used to be a Deboer fan, but I cannot stand his lineup decisions any longer – the guy is a stubborn fool for not recognizing the type of roster he has and not adapting his system to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal.

    Schneider is going to walk, mark my words – I can totally see Marty trying to squeeze another year out of his career now that he’s seen a guy like Jagr hold his place in the league at 42, and there is no way Corey Schneider deserves to be put on back-up status for another season.

    • ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM

      why can’t he accept a time-split in the meantime though? that bugs me out. good goalies have had to split time before, he isn’t the first one. be patient, earn the starting job in your new home, this isn’t Vancouver. if you earn that job and play to keep it, you know you’re on a team that will pay a goalie handsomely for years and years. if he was smart, he’d see that it’s worth the patience.

      • martysbetter - Nov 27, 2013 at 2:27 PM

        I don’t think its necessarily the time-split so much as him completely shutting down the LA Kings last week and then getting benched for 3 straight games for his troubles. He’s been pretty diplomatic about the whole situation up until now, I guarantee this was the breaking point for him.

  7. themojofilters - Nov 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    The article states “Brodeur has a slight edge in games played — 14, to Schneider’s 10 — but Schneider does have the superior numbers, including a .925 save percentage and 1.87 GAA.”

    What they don’t mention though is that Marty has 7 wins to Schneider’s 2.

    With their overall record the way it is, it makes perfect sense to ride the hot-hand of Marty for as many wins as they can get. Even so, this is Marty’s team and Schneider’s time will come soon enough next season.

    • martysbetter - Nov 27, 2013 at 2:25 PM

      Who cares about win totals?

      It obviously has nothing to do with his performance (considering his stats are better than Marty) and has everything to do with this team not scoring enough goals because we have creative guys like Brunner, Loktionov and Ryder doing nothing but chipping the puck in and digging it out of the corner.

      Jeez listen to me, maybe I should change my username?

      • themojofilters - Nov 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        The team plays better as a whole when Marty is in net. So if him playing elevates the entire team’s play (which results in wins), yes… you keep playing him.

  8. barkar942 - Nov 27, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    I am tremendously impressed. 23 comments on a Devils post. More than when they were in the Cup finals 2 years ago. And, may I add, all without 95cups commenting.
    Haven’t seen him on here recently- hope he is ok.
    Happy Thanksgiving to all!

    • ibieiniid - Nov 27, 2013 at 3:55 PM

      I wouldn’t get too excited. I account for like 1/3 of the comments lol. Hey, workday before a long weekend, I’m just killing some time.

      but ya, I think i saw that cups guy on here today or yesterday.

      happy thxgiving

      ….wait. devils were in the cup finals 2 years ago?

  9. wingsfan97 - Nov 27, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    I would take brodeur over any goalie in the league.
    People say he didn’t put up legendary numbers the last 3 seasons.look at who was on his team,nothing special.brodeur was 40 and lead them to the finals.if you put him on the kings Chicago pens or any other good team,then he would put up those legendary numbers.

    • devilsarethebest - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

      You mean the year when we had Kovy, Parise and Clarkson, plus a younger Elias among others, and we choked in the playoffs?

  10. redwinger6 - Nov 28, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Did he really think that he’d be the #1 ahead of Brodeur this year, barring a complete dumpster fire performance from Brodeur? He can’t be that stupid.

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